Palestine Conflict [Ambassador speaks]

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Hamas: Palestinian martyrs’ blood will haunt Israel across Palestine like a curse

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The Palestinian resistance movement Hamas has denounced the most recent killing of a Palestinian teenager who was shot dead by Israeli soldiers near Ramallah in the occupied West Bank.

The Palestinian martyrs’ blood will be “a curse that haunts the Israeli occupying forces across Palestine,” Hamas said in a statement released on Sunday, adding that the Palestinian people will never rest until they have avenged their martyrs.

Hamas also paid tribute to the Palestinian youth for courageously facing the barbarism of the Israeli regime forces.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/11/06/692265/Hamas--Palestinian-martyrs’-blood-will-haunt-Israel-across-Palestine

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free

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In Geneva, UN panel holds hearings on Israeli rights violations in Palestinian territories

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A three-member rights panel at the United Nations has opened a series of public hearings on Israeli human rights violations committed across the occupied Palestinian territories.

The five-day trials were initiated by the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory in the Swiss city of Geneva on Monday.

The focus of the public hearings was reportedly on the closure orders of a number of Palestinian organizations by Israel in August and the brutal assassination of veteran Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh by the occupying regime in May.

Rolando Gomez, the UN Human Rights Council spokesman, said at a news briefing with reporters that the hearings were being held to clarify contentious issues, with both Israeli and Palestinian witnesses being allowed to testify.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/11/07/692324/UN-Independent-International-Commission-Israeli-rights-violations-Palestinian-territories

 

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Jordan warns Israeli PM of diplomatic pitfalls if al-Aqsa status quo changed

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Jordan has warned that bilateral ties with Israel will suffer if the incoming ruling coalition tries to change al-Aqsa Mosque status quo.

The warning, reported by an Israeli public broadcaster, underlined the potential diplomatic pitfalls awaiting Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu who plans to form a cabinet with far-right hardliners.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/11/08/692349/Jordan-warns-Netanyahu-of-diplomatic-pitfalls-if-al-Aqsa-status-quo-changed-

It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds in the coming months. If Netanyahu al-mal3oun decides to take Masjid al-Aqsa, (for example), even his own neighbours will turn against him. Hopefully he takes that into consideration.

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

If Netanyahu al-mal3oun decides to

With Netanyahu back in charge, is a solo Israeli strike against Iran in the cards?

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Netanyahu ally: I believe he'll strike in Iran if nuclear talks ...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjusfidyaD7AhVF3KQKHXWzBpoQFnoECB0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fnetanyahu-ally-i-believe-hell-strike-in-iran-if-nuclear-talks-fail-us-doesnt-act%2F&usg=AOvVaw09RkUP_uST1BjcSAIrtrkc

Just days after Netanyahu’s political rebirth, one of his closest political associates said that the military option will be on the table for the new government.

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Tzachi Hanegbi a minister in the last Netanyahu government said in a Nov. 4 interview with Channel 12 that Netanyahu “would act, in my perspective, to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iran” if Israel feels that Iran is going to achieve a nuclear weapon. “In my assessment, he’ll have no choice but to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities like previous prime ministers ordered to destroy a nuclear facility in Iraq in 1981 and like an order was given in 2007 to destroy the nuclear facility in Syria,”

 

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The big question around any Israeli attack on Iran is what role, if any, the US would play. When Netanyahu was last in power and Donald Trump was president in Washington, there was more expectation that the US might support a first-strike in Iran.

 

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The second question is whether a military operation launched by Israel could actually stop the Iranians from achieving military nuclear capability, and whether Israel is prepared for the almost certain retaliation by Iran that would come afterwards.

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/11/with-netanyahu-back-in-charge-is-a-solo-israeli-strike-against-iran-in-the-cards/

 

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Palestine welcomes UN resolution against Israeli settlements

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Palestine on Friday welcomed the UN General Assembly's adoption of four resolutions in favor of Palestine, including one deeming the Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories illegal.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki said in a press statement that Palestine welcomed the UN vote in favor of the resolution and the international support in this regard.

The positive results "came in light of Israel's systematic violations against our people's rights and its lack of commitment to international law," he said.

Al-Maliki added that "these decisions affirm the legitimate rights of our Palestinian people, foremost of which is the right to self-determination and the right of Palestinian (refugees) to return to their homes."

https://english.news.cn/20221112/3ccf2bcd371a4629a1300a2c5dbd4bc0/c.html

 

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Israel deploys robotic guns in West Bank – AP

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Israel has deployed new robotic weapons in the West Bank amid heightened tensions between Israelis and Palestinians. Remote-controlled guns capable of firing tear gas, stun grenades and sponge-tipped bullets have been installed in the city of Hebron and at the massive Al-Aroub refugee camp, the Associated Press reported on Wednesday.

The turrets are mounted on special guard towers equipped with surveillance cameras. The guns themselves also have their own cameras and are remotely operated by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers inside the towers, the news agency said. According to AP, the guns also use artificial intelligence to track their targets.
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Now, if crowds take to the streets hurling stones and fire bombs at Israeli troops, the turrets in the towers will unleash a barrage of tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets, sources told the news agency.
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“We are not a training and simulation for Israeli companies,” a Hebron Palestinian activist, Issa Amro, told the news agency, adding that such practices “must be stopped.” Shopkeeper Hussein al-Muzyeen from Al-Aroub camp is quoted as saying that the area now regularly ends up covered in tear gas. “We don’t open the window, we don’t open the door. We know not to open anything,” he explained.

https://www.rt.com/news/566644-israel-robotic-guns-west-bank/

[Ashvazdanghe]

10 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

The turrets are mounted on special guard towers equipped with surveillance cameras. The guns themselves also have their own cameras and are remotely operated by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers inside the towers, the news agency said. According to AP, the guns also use artificial intelligence to track their targets.

Salam

They will not fight against you together except in fortified townships or from behind walls. Their fierceness is great only within themselves. You suppose them to be united, but their hearts are divided. That is because they are a lot who do not exercise their reason, (14)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/59:14

[Haji 2003]

 

[Haji 2003]

Palestinian Ambassador to the UK

 

 

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Netanyahu to agree to ‘soft annexation’ of West Bank: Israeli media

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Israeli prime minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly agreed to hand the so-called civil administration in the occupied West Bank to the far-right Religious Zionism party, a move that signals more extremism towards Palestinians and a breach of the Abraham accords concluded with some Persian Gulf states.

The Likud leader has decided to move the administration from the regime’s ministry of military affairs to the ministry of finance. His decision comes in order to appease his ally Bezalel Smotrich, who is a far-right member of the Knesset and leader of the Religious Zionism party, Haaretz reported.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/11/25/693345/Netanyahu-to-agree-to-‘soft-annexation’-of-West-Bank-Israeli-media-

 

[Haji 2003]

 

https://twitter.com/btselem/status/1595423485123211264

[Haji 2003]

 

[Haji 2003]

International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People

 

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UN General Assembly votes in favor of commemorating Palestinian Nakba Day

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The United Nations General Assembly has voted in a favor of a pro-Palestinian resolution to commemorate the Nakba (Catastrophe) Day, which marks the Israeli regime’s claiming existence in 1948.  

The Assembly adopted the resolution on Wednesday, with 90 votes in favor, 30 negative votes, and 47 abstentions.

The initiative was sponsored by Egypt, Jordan, Senegal, Tunisia, Yemen and the Palestinians and was approved despite the opposition of the United States, UK and Israel.

Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands were also among the countries that voted against it.
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Nakba Day or Day of Catastrophe falls on May 15 each year. The date commemorates events that led to the Israeli regime forcibly expelling hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes to make way for Israeli settlers 74 years ago.

Every year Palestinians and their supporters across the globe mark the anniversary of Nakba Day.

Many historians have referred to Nakba Day as climax of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/01/693715/Palestine-UN-resolution-Nakba-Day-Israel-Golan-Heights-Syria

Wow. That was unexpected. Alhamdulillah. 

[Haji 2003]

 

[Haji 2003]

Problems with the IHRA definition of anti-semitism

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"The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is weaponised to silence critical conversations on Palestine," tweeted Perugini. "Guess who my university has excluded from the 'task and finish group' that will discuss the vicious repercussions of the definition? Palestinian staff and scholars of Palestine."

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Opposition to the definition has grown over the years due to concerns about its chilling effect on free speech. Jewish academics are among the many individuals, groups and institutions to take a stand against it. The Jewish Faculty Network (JFN) warned against the IHRA saying that the definition has been used to "intimidate and silence the work of unions, student groups, academic departments and faculty associations that are committed to freedom, equality and justice for Palestinians."

Critics insist that the IHRA definition is problematic because seven of the eleven examples of anti-Semitism cited conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Jewish racism. As a result, its widespread adoption will not only open critics of the apartheid state to allegations of anti-Semitism, but will also deny Palestinians the freedom and right to speak about the oppression to which they are subjected by Israel's brutal military occupation.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221116-uk-university-excludes-palestinian-staff-and-palestine-scholars-from-ihra-discussion/

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Palestine on the verge of new “Intifada”

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A third Intifada appears in the horizon. Things have changed, and keep changing. There’s the Gaza factor this time, and the accumulated experience of the Palestinian people encountering the Israeli occupation. Nobody knows how matters could develop if it does happen, but for sure it will be one step further in the direction of the liberation of Palestine and the freedom of its people. 

https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/opinion/palestine-on-the-verge-of-new-intifada

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Al Jazeera takes killing of Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh to ICC

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Al Jazeera has filed a lawsuit at the International Criminal Court (ICC) over the killing of Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, saying it has new evidence showing she was killed by Israeli forces.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/06/694000/Palestine-Al-Jazeera-ICC-lawsuit-Israel-forces-deliberate-killing-Shireen-Abu-Akleh-

I'd like to see how this plays out...

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Israel has attacked Palestinians during celebrations of Morocco's victory against Portugal.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-forces-attack-palestinians-celebrating-moroccos-hist

[Haji 2003]

Yes I did notice some people drawing attention to the Western Sahara issue and thinking to myself 'you are the very guys who encouraged the Moroccans ...'

 

[Haji 2003]

Israel asserting its identity

It's been a long time coming, but I think we are getting there. Israel was founded on the idea of Jewish ethnicity, but (IMHO) there was some ambivalence about the role of religion.

Ever since then the latter has become more central and will likely continue to do so, until we get a theocratic state.

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Avi Maoz, the leader of the extremist religious nationalist party Noam that helped Netanyahu’s bloc win, has said queer people are a “threat to the family”, and that the greatest achievement women can make is to marry and raise children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/22/israel-lgbtq-community-fear-future-far-right-government

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Hamas statement:

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In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful

On Palestinian Martyr’s Day: Our martyrs will remain beacons of light on the path of liberation and return, and we pledge loyalty to their blood to continue comprehensive resistance until the end of the occupation of our land and our sanctities.

The masses of our Palestinian people, in all arenas, in the homeland and abroad, salute the Palestinian Martyr’s Day on the seventh of January every year. Today, they recall their sacrifices and heroism since the feet of the occupation set foot on our historical land and draw inspiration from their eternal struggle to move forward with determination and certainty in the path of resistance and with adherence to national thawabet and rights until the end of the occupation of our land and our Islamic and Christian sanctities.

On the anniversary of the Palestinian Martyr's Day, let us have mercy on the souls of the honorable martyrs of our people. We in the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) affirm the following:

First: The convoys of martyrs that ascend every day will continue to be beacons of light illuminating the path of our people in their project towards liberation and return. We will remain loyal to their blood and sacrifices, following their path of comprehensive resistance, until the occupation is defeated from our land and our Al-Quds.

Second: the crimes of the zionist occupation against our people, and the terror of extremist settlers—through premeditated killing in cold blood, and persistence in siege, captivity, deportation and displacement—will not succeed in breaking the will of steadfastness and defiance of our people and the continuation of resistance and revolution until freedom and self-determination are achieved.

Third: The occupation’s continued detention of the bodies of more than 373 martyrs is a crime and a violation of all international norms, laws and covenants. What is known as "Graveyard of Numbers" reveals the extent of its racism and sadism against the martyrs of our people and their families. We call on all human rights and international institutions to take effective action to put pressure on the occupation to retrieve them, bury them, send them to funerals, and honor them with processions worthy of their status.

Fourth: We call on our Arab and Islamic nation, and the free people of the world, to more solidarity with our Palestinian people, in victory for the justice of our cause, and in loyalty to the blood of the martyrs who rose in defense of their right to freedom and dignity, and in rejection of the zionist occupation, whose continuation poses a threat to the stability of the region and the interests of its people and threatens international peace and security .

Islamic Resistance Movement - Hamas
January 7, 2023

https://t.me/PalestineResist/3102

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Palestinian National and Islamic Forces:

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We call for a general mobilization of our people to face the upcoming serious challenges to the Palestinian cause by the zionist project, which has reached the highest levels of encroachment on our people. We salute our people in occupied Al-Quds, the West Bank and the occupied interior. We call on them to escalate the clash with the occupation and move to the stage of a comprehensive intifada against it.

Unity of all components of our people, in the field or politically, is the most important pillar in confronting the new zionist government. We salute the prisoners, who embody the meaning of national unity in the face of the jailer and were its pioneers. Their heads are held high in the face of the most powerful occupation on earth in the modern era.

We call on all national components to expedite an agreement on a comprehensive national strategy that restores respect for the national project and puts the train of struggle against the occupation back on track.

We call on the Palestinian official leadership to change its policies and orientations towards the continuation of its relationship with the occupation. We affirm that calls for reconciliation and holding a national dialogue will not avail anything unless they are accompanied by practical measures, foremost of which is the implementation of the decisions of the national councils to withdraw recognition of the entity state, to stop security coordination, and to withdraw from all commitments made as a consequence of the Oslo Accords.
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Note: the National and Islamic Forces includes representatives from PLO & non-PLO factions, such as Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, and PFLP.

https://t.me/PalestineResist/3105

[Haji 2003]

 

[Haji 2003]

[Northwest]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:29 AM, Haji 2003 said:

@Haji 2003

Both Lula and Bolsonaro are secularists. Lula endorses the LBGTQ+I/“woke” agenda domestically. Bolsonaro’s “evangelical” wife doesn’t dress like a traditionalist Christian. Average, as opposed to upper-class, Christian wives covered their bodies and hair in public until the early 1900s. Zionism was/is a secularist ideology, whereas Orthodox Judaism traditionally opposed Zionism and still does. Lula endorses secularism but pretends to oppose Zionism, Bolsonaro pretends to oppose secularism but openly endorses Zionism. Both are also hostile to Islamic (and Jewish) norms on diet, ritual, and so on. Basically both men basically endorse the neoliberal consensus: social liberalism and free-market economics. (Lula maybe prefers more regulation but does not want a state-controlled economy, an end to profit, etc. Meanwhile, Bolsonaro maybe wants a stronger approach on crime and abortion but does not want to force women back into the home.)

[Haji 2003]

35 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Bolsonaro pretends to oppose secularism but openly endorses Zionism. Both are also hostile to Islamic (and Jewish) norms on diet, ritual, and so on.

This issue arises in a number of different contexts whether it is Lula, Bernie Sanders in the US, Jeremy Corbyn in the UK and so on. What do you do when political leaders have some beliefs that are similar to yours and others which are not?

More interestingly what do you do when you share these peoples' beliefs which are of a more political or economic nature and where you diverge on more religious grounds.

Should the latter take precedence?

If it should then for example, Muslims might need to support people like Trump, Bolsanaro and to take the argument to its logical conclusion they should also support the most right wing Zionists in Israel since the latter also tend to be the most supportive of family values. 

I don't think religious grounds should take precedence where they conflict with the imperative to preserve physical human life.

After all if Lula's support in the UN, for example, means that settlement expansion in the West Bank is slowed we can debate LBGTQI+ another day. But dead Palestinians aren't debating with anyone.

[Northwest]

29 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

If it should then for example, Muslims might need to support people like Trump, Bolsanaro and to take the argument to its logical conclusion they should also support the most right wing Zionists in Israel since the latter also tend to be the most supportive of family values. 

I don't think religious grounds should take precedence where they conflict with the imperative to preserve physical human life.

After all if Lula's support in the UN, for example, means that settlement expansion in the West Bank is slowed we can debate LBGTQI+ another day. But dead Palestinians aren't debating with anyone.

@Haji 2003

I think it is noteworthy that the mainstream media, Big Tech, academia, and so on tend to be strongly aligned with liberalism. That is why most Anglo-American media have been consistently opposed to the likes of Trump, Bolsonaro, and other right-wingers. Liberalism is probably the biggest threat to all religious values, including Islamic, and unlike conservatism has hegemonic power. Of course, for certain reasons—immigration and multiculturalism, for instance—BIPOC and Muslims tend to selectively ignore this and side with the liberal elite as voting blocs. It’s a poisonous arrangement that also undermines the claim that the West is “racist” and “anti-Islamic.” After all, if the Western elite were so xenophobic it would not be promoting the free movement of people and goods so much. The headlines are a case in point:

^ With these kinds of headlines in the MSM it is a little difficult for Muslims to claim that the Western elite is “racist” and “anti-Islamic.“

And honestly, the reason why Muslims focus on Palestinians is religious and/or ethnic solidarity. The “imperative to preserve physical human life” does not explain it all. If some tribal animists in the Amazon or foreign Christians were being persecuted, many of these same Muslims wouldn’t care to the same degree that they do about Palestinians. People focus on preserving their own kin and neighbours rather than distant communities. And as far as Israeli settlements are concerned: Lula wouldn’t be able to overcome vested interests in the West that favour Israeli expansionism. Furthermore, given his own liberalism I doubt that that he would really be interested in helping Muslims as Muslims. Lula is very much a part of the pro-globalist Establishment in the West that likes to virtue-signal about “causes” such as Palestine while doing very little in practice to alter the equation in favour of Palestinians.

Edited January 16 by Northwest

[Haji 2003]

3 minutes ago, Northwest said:

And honestly, the reason why Muslims focus on Palestinians is religious and/or ethnic solidarity. The “imperative to preserve physical human life” does not explain it all.

Yes, I'd agree with the first statement. Perhaps I could have rephrased “imperative to preserve physical human life” as the "more significant threat".

Regardless I think generally Muslims since the start of the Israel project have read its trajectory correctly in terms of it being an expansionist and colonial project whose initial victims are Palestinians but ultimately it will be a much larger group and making common cause with liberals etc. is a small price to pay.

 

8 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Lula wouldn’t be able to overcome vested interests in the West that favour Israeli expansionism

True, but he can abstain in UN votes, rather than go along with the US in the same way as the Marshall Islands are bludgeoned into voting.

 

10 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Liberalism is probably the biggest threat to all religious values, including Islamic, and unlike conservatism has hegemonic power.

It may be, but there are other ideologies propelling the physical assaults on various Muslim countries. It was liberals most likely to protest against the invasion of Iraq, for example.

 

 

[Northwest]

2 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

It may be, but there are other ideologies propelling the physical assaults on various Muslim countries. It was liberals most likely to protest against the invasion of Iraq, for example.

@Haji 2003

My point is that the liberalism is institutionally more powerful than conservatism, by many orders of magnitude, and is intertwined with Zionism as well. Zionists have a lot of financial influence and so there is a link between the liberal media, academia, etc. and Zionism. As far as foreign policy is concerned: liberal “protestations” should not be confused with actual policy. For example, the Obama administration frequently denounced Israeli settlements but did not make a serious effort to oppose them. By multiple measures Obama’s was the most pro-Israeli administration ever, including military aid, before Trump’s came in. Even the liberals who denounced the invasion of Iraq often did so on anti-Iran, pro-Zionist grounds, claiming that Iran would benefit the most from the expulsion of Saddam. The “liberal” aspect of liberalism is largely for PR.

34 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Yes, I'd agree with the first statement. Perhaps I could have rephrased “imperative to preserve physical human life” as the "more significant threat".

Honestly, if the Palestinians were not Muslims and/or of Arab descent I doubt that most Muslims would pay as much attention to preserving their lives.

[Haji 2003]

58 minutes ago, Northwest said:

For example, the Obama administration frequently denounced Israeli settlements but did not make a serious effort to oppose them. By multiple measures Obama’s was the most pro-Israeli administration ever, including military aid, before Trump’s came in.

Your reference to Trump is almost a throwaway line, but you have neatly provided the single most important point underpinning my argument. The Netanyahu government had very strained ties with Obama, but they named roundabouts after Trump.

The Abraham Accords that Trump championed marked an inflexion point in Israeli/Arab relations to the extent that we now effectively have a platform for Israeli economic expansion in the wider Arab world that will presage a broader political and social one.

 

1 hour ago, Northwest said:

My point is that the liberalism is institutionally more powerful than conservatism, by many orders of magnitude,

There is certainly a lot to be said about this point. I think it is interesting how military and economic attempts to dislodge the IRI have failed and the greatest success that the West has had has been through the promotion of a liberal agenda.

However I think the fundamental weakness of liberalism was also identified by an Iranian commentator who asked why Iran should take lessons from the West women's rights when they could not agree on what a woman was.

I think ideologies reach their sell-by date when deviate too far from reality.

[Northwest]

15 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Your reference to Trump is almost a throwaway line, but you have neatly provided the single most important point underpinning my argument. The Netanyahu government had very strained ties with Obama, but they named roundabouts after Trump.

@Haji 2003

The articles that I provided actually demonstrate the opposite: that the “rift” between Obama and Netanyahu may have been more apparent than real. Netanyahu’s public demeanour may have been inconvenient for Obama, for the latter wished to provide “liberal” cover for Israeli policy. Netanyahu’s inflammatory rhetoric, by contrast, limited Obama’s manoeuvrability—his ability to support essentially the same policies as Netanyahu’s without risking popular backlash. Obama may have disagreed with Netanyahu’s fascistic PR, but in practice he did nothing that would have imposed serious costs on the Israeli government. I think that the liberal Establishment likes to promote the notion of a split between Obama and Netanyahu in order to obscure the deep continuity between the two men.

If anything, I think your obsession with Trump is inadvertently muddying the waters:

15 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

The Abraham Accords that Trump championed marked an inflexion point in Israeli/Arab relations to the extent that we now effectively have a platform for Israeli economic expansion in the wider Arab world that will presage a broader political and social one.

The right-wing Trump approved the Accords, but the liberal Obama’s protégé Biden is currently strengthening them. By your logic a liberal successor to Trump would have acted forcefully to reverse Trump’s policy. Instead the Biden administration has furthered American support for Israel, and has not reversed the previous administration’s move on Jerusalem. You focus too much on the rhetorical “dressing” rather than the actual substance of American policy. The substantive evidence is that there is no real difference between the right-wing and liberal factions on support for Israel. The handful of pro-BDS Democrats merely serve to lend cover to the pro-Zionist Establishment.

15 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

There is certainly a lot to be said about this point. I think it is interesting how military and economic attempts to dislodge the IRI have failed and the greatest success that the West has had has been through the promotion of a liberal agenda.

This is why I think Muslims are committing a grave error by fixating too much on right-wingers such as Trump, Bolsonaro, et al. As I have mentioned, both the right-wingers and liberals are 110% pro-Zionist. But at least the right-wingers don’t compound Zionism by promoting corrosive, socially liberal views that religious people—and even nonreligious but sane people—would disagree with, e.g., the attempts to redefine human sexuality, promote bestiality, undermine the family, etc. At the end of the day, Muslims should choose a lesser evil such as Trump or Bolsonaro over an über-liberal globalist.

Malcolm X made a similar statement about white racism: at the end of the day, he preferred the KKK, the wolf, over the white (or Jewish) liberal, the fox. At least the former was an artless, open enemy, while the latter was sly and covert—and therefore much more dangerous. Muslims, too, should logically prefer the familiar foe over the alternative, given that neither side will oppose Zionism to begin with. At least the threat of religious, ethnic, and racial persecution can act as a galvanising force, whereas liberalism tends to dilute the identity, and hence the survivalist instinct(s), of a group.

[Dubilex]

Have to agree with the above ^^

Western conservatives and liberals are both equally pro-zionist. When some LGBTQ liberal expresses pro-palestine sentiment, they don't do it because they actually support Palestine. They do it simply because it's trendy, just like how everyone are putting Ukraine flags in their social media. Right-wingers at least tells you straight to your face that they don't like muslims. Liberals are more insidious and weasel their way, slowly but surely they are trying to water down Islam

[Ashvazdanghe]

16 hours ago, Northwest said:

Honestly, if the Palestinians were not Muslims and/or of Arab descent I doubt that most Muslims would pay as much attention to preserving their lives.

Hi policy of Iran is based on spporting oppressed against oppressor anyway being muslim is an important matter but on the other  majority of supporters of Palestine are pan Arabs besides pan Turks which see palestine as seperated state which want to return it to new Ottoman territories  which UAE as modernized  pan Arab country & turkey as leader of New ottomans have normalized relations with Israel which it has showed that both of Pan Arabism & pan Turkism have failed about supporting Palestine but on the other hand ironcally both of them  have accused Iran to hypocrisy & having good relations with Israel which although all hardships Iran has hold flag of supporting Palestine based on spporting oppressed against oppressor besides of supporting Muslim brothers & sisters although of all differences .

[Haji 2003]

15 hours ago, Northwest said:

The right-wing Trump approved the Accords, but the liberal Obama’s protégé Biden is currently strengthening them.

I don't agree that both groups are the same when one group (Trump) changes the status quo and the other simply maintains whatever they inherit (Biden). I agree that the Democrats are Zionists (they are proud to proclaim themselves as such), but the nature of their help has been qualitatively different.

Obama did supply vast quantities of arms to Israel, but that hardly changed the status quo in the same way as changing the location of the American embassy. Moreover his oversight of the JCPOA was fought tooth and nail with Netanyahu - it was not window dressing as you claim.

 

15 hours ago, Northwest said:

Malcolm X made a similar statement about white racism: at the end of the day, he preferred the KKK, the wolf, over the white (or Jewish) liberal, the fox. At least the former was an artless, open enemy, while the latter was sly and covert—and therefore much more dangerous.

He was able to say this because the efforts of the liberals had meant that KKK style lynchings were far diminished. And that has been my point since we started speaking. The threat of physical harm means that you take help wherever you can get it - no matter the politics of the people offering it.