A little help understanding

[Mominah110]

(salam)

As much as I try to understand I never understand what people say that Dajjal will kill Imam Mehdi (as).

I'm not sure what part of it is confusing me, maybe the part of how Dajjal will kill the Imam (as) or if it actually will happen or how Allah (SWT) will let it happen.

The hadiths confuse me even more. Many people say no, nothing like that will happen, some say it will.

Can someone just try and explain to me in semi-simple words if possible.

And my other thing is has Dajjal been already born? Im sure Im not the only one who recieved emails and such about a baby being born with one eye (pics included) and somebody posted a picture here also.

Thanks in advance.

Jazakallah

[misbah 2004]

Can someone just try and explain to me in semi-simple words if possible.

According to ahadith, Imam will kill Dajjal.

Holy Prophet [sa]: The day Dajjal will emerge, 70,000 Jews, illegitimate children, drunkards, musicians, men indulging in vain talks and sport, ignorant Arabs and women will join forces with him. He (Dajjal) will make adultery, sodomy and all other prohibited acts permissible. Matters will reach a stage that man will indulge in excesses with women (adultery) and boys (sodomy) openly. The whole world will be conquered by him except Makkah, Madinah and the graves of the Imams (a.s.). He will cross all barriers and the earth will be overwhelmed with his and his helpers' atrocities. Finally, he will be slain by Imam Mahdi (a.t.f.s.), behind whom Hazrat Esa (a.s.) will pray. [Muntakhab al Asar]

And my other thing is has Dajjal been already born? Im sure Im not the only one who recieved emails and such about a baby being born with one eye (pics included) and somebody posted a picture here also.

There are many such speculations but no one knows for sure.

[SpIzo]

(wasalam)

In regards to such issues, it is very important that people do not rely on hearsay, rather get acquainted with narrations and reports of the Ahlul Bayt (a). This way, people will recognise the truth from falsehood, and be prepared to counter falsehood, if need be arises.

Here's a chapter in the book 'Life of Imam al-Mahdi (atf)' which talks about Dajjal: http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/l...hdi/27.htm#p336

EDIT: Also: http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/l...di/10.htm#seven

Edited February 18, 2009 by SpIzo

[hasani]

Lol, what kind of people are those who think imam mahdi as will be (I DONT WANT TO WRITE THIS) by dajjal, if that happens then how will justice and peace would come?

[Kamranistan]

Imam Mahdi (as) being killed by Dajjal, who's being telling you that..?

[Aly ReZa]

Who ever told u that imam mehdi a.s will be killed by dajjal

He doesn't know anything about shia islam

His just misguiding u

[Ali H Syed]

people, imam mahdi (as) will not defeat dajjal, that will be done by prophet isa (as)

(bismillah)

[Aly ReZa]

people, imam mahdi (as) will not defeat dajjal, that will be done by prophet isa (as)

(bismillah)

Salam any reference

[Ali H Syed]

Salam any reference

here is the basic stuff, i will find you refrences soon :)

http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html

and please take a listen to this

there are 4 parts

(bismillah)

[islamicdaddy]

people, imam mahdi (as) will not defeat dajjal, that will be done by prophet isa (as) (bismillah)

Correct!

[Zahra1]

Wa alikum alsalam,

I heard from an alim( Sheikh Ali Al-Korani) that Al-Dajjal is not a man, but it is misguided movement that spreads

misguiding through the world.

Unfortunately, I heard this from his lecture(in Arabic) and I think that you may be don't speak Arabic. Also, I already read

some narrations with the same meaning, but it is from his book which in Arabic too, if you can read Arabic or anyone who are interested in reading it, I will put the link.

[Kamranistan]

Wa alikum alsalam,

I heard from an alim( Sheikh Ali Al-Korani) that Al-Dajjal is not a man, but it is misguided movement that spreads

misguiding through the world.

Unfortunately, I heard this from his lecture(in Arabic) and I think that you may be don't speak Arabic. Also, I already read

some narrations with the same meaning, but it is from his book which in Arabic too, if you can read Arabic or anyone who are interested in reading it, I will put the link.

I heard there is the one-eyed 'system' of Dajjal, but of course there is one man at the top? But yeah the Dajjal movement is a system using the means of mass media control to spread it's movement IMO.

[Ali H Syed]

Wa alikum alsalam,

I heard from an alim( Sheikh Ali Al-Korani) that Al-Dajjal is not a man, but it is misguided movement that spreads

misguiding through the world.

Unfortunately, I heard this from his lecture(in Arabic) and I think that you may be don't speak Arabic. Also, I already read

some narrations with the same meaning, but it is from his book which in Arabic too, if you can read Arabic or anyone who are interested in reading it, I will put the link.

yup, the one eyed system, but also the physical man, the dajjal, there will be in essence the system being united with the figure, a scary combo =/

(bismillah)

[Zahra1]

I heard there is the one-eyed 'system' of Dajjal, but of course there is one man at the top? But yeah the Dajjal movement is a system using the means of mass media control to spread it's movement IMO.

Sheikh Ali Al-Korani said: Those narrations that talk about AlDajjal as a man came only from Sunni books, not Shia books.

He also said: How can Allah(swt) gives a kaffir those great power(as we read in some ahadiths).

[Kamranistan]

Sheikh Ali Al-Korani said: Those narrations that talk about AlDajjal as a man came only from Sunni books, not Shia books.

He also said: How can Allah(swt) gives a kaffir those great power(as we read in some ahadiths).

Hmm yeah you might be totally right here, will have to look at our tradtions about this, but the point that how can a kafir have this power doesn't quite add up, remember Allah (swt) doesn't give us evil, it is only goodness that we obtain from Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. If there is a 'dajjal' person, he will be evil through and through and what ever he has gained is not because Allah (swt) 'gave' it is due to his own will, even though Allah (swt) 'let' him. Free will right, i could use the shaytan example here.

But yeah i hve read narrations where it talks about the 'system', will get back to you once i've done more searching.

Oh and listen to nakshwani's speech on dajjal. He goes through this i believe.

[Ali H Syed]

well kam your forgetting the hadith, where the dajjal has similar features to jannabeh isaa as, surely that is enough to believe of a human form of the dajjal?

(bismillah)

[Kamranistan]

well kam your forgetting the hadith, where the dajjal has similar features to jannabeh isaa as, surely that is enough to believe of a human form of the dajjal?

(bismillah)

Umm, not too sure about that ali.

[Shia_Debater]

(salam)

The dajjal is definately a system, I think many people are unaware that we are not waiting for dajjal rather dajjal is already here, we are living in the lifetime of the dajjal. Having said that the dajjal may also be a physical being like you said due to the similarities between prophet isa (as) and also other hadiths that we have, but we have to be careful in how we interpret the hadiths i.e. the hadith that says he will have only 1 eye

It means that the eye to their hearts are closed, in the Qur'an it says :

"Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment."

Surah Baqarah verse 7

This is saying that it is not a physical being with literally one eye, but it is a system which is so corrupt and full of sin that the hearts of the those in the system i.e. the system itself, is blind in the heart and they only have the "physical eye"

There are other hadiths aswell however we all have to remember, there is 1 person who is more dangerous than dajjal excluding shaytaan. The person more dangerous is a friend who brings you towards sins

Because the dajjal as you can see from the name is an imposter, it is from outside of your secure zone and it tries to decieve you through various means to take you away from Allah (swt) but a friend who draws you towards sins is already in your secure zone and is someone you trust and will listen to thus the effort needed for them to take you away from Allah (swt) will be much less.

Sayed Ammar Nakshawanis Lecture on Dajjal:

http://www.sayedammar.com/MUHARRAM%202010-11/muharram2010-11i.html

(wasalam)

[islamicdaddy]

(salam)

The dajjal is definately a system,

(wasalam)

(bismillah)

(salam)

Sorry but have to disagree with the strongest of my knowledge and understanding combined. (however small that still might be)

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

[Shia_Debater]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Sorry but have to disagree with the strongest of my knowledge and understanding combined. (however small that still might be)

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

What I didnt emphasize enough on was that I believe the dajjal is a system that is wating for dajjal the person.

If that makes sense.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Shia_Debater

[Ali H Syed]

Umm, not too sure about that ali.

kam it was said in the majlis when you wernt there...

it goes along the lines of some one asks the prophet saaw, what am i seeing here, its a place or the kaaba i forgot, and theres 2 figures, he asks who is the first one, and prophet describes some features and says that its jannahbe isaa as, then he asks who is the second figure who is similar to the first, and the prophet saaw replys that is dajjal,- false messiah

(bismillah)

[islamicdaddy]

here is the basic stuff, i will find you refrences soon :)

http://www.islam.tc/...cies/jesus.html

and please take a listen to this

there are 4 parts

(bismillah)

(salam)

Took my time to listen to this speech. There are for myself lots of flaws in it and in the thinking of the respected speaker.

If the holy prophet Muhammad (sal) is speaking for example of a man (which is 'Isa) and of another man (which is dajjal).

The respected speaker is explaining that the dajjal is metaphorical... But sorry, the hadith of the prophet Muhammad (sal) have never been like this. If the prophet is speaking about two man how is it possible one is the real person, other is metaphorical... This is just one small point which struck me.

Imam Mahdi is not a system... Isa al Masih is not a system...

Sufiani is not a system... Dajjal is not a system...

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

[Ali H Syed]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Took my time to listen to this speech. There are for myself lots of flaws in it and in the thinking of the respected speaker.

If the holy prophet Muhammad (sal) is speaking for example of a man (which is 'Isa) and of another man (which is dajjal).

The respected speaker is explaining that the dajjal is metaphorical... But sorry, the hadith of the prophet Muhammad (sal) have never been like this. If the prophet is speaking about two man how is it possible one is the real person, other is metaphorical... This is just one small point which struck me.

Imam Mahdi is not a system... Isa al Masih is not a system...

Sufiani is not a system... Dajjal is not a system...

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

we cannot be sure that the dajjal is not a system, many scholars think it is, some dont, i personally think the system is already in act, the way laws and "culture" in the west is, it goes against anything to do with obeying islamic laws, for example here in england, in teenage culture, they live to please girls, and girls live to please boys, they work all week, to go out to drink and do drugs as recreation, they are taught music.... just a small number of examples, but then 1 may turn around and say well thats just because thats how it is, but think about it, that could have easily been designed by the enemies of islam, to keep them away from the truth

ofcourse its much more complicated than that

(bismillah)

[Kamranistan]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Took my time to listen to this speech. There are for myself lots of flaws in it and in the thinking of the respected speaker.

If the holy prophet Muhammad (sal) is speaking for example of a man (which is 'Isa) and of another man (which is dajjal).

The respected speaker is explaining that the dajjal is metaphorical... But sorry, the hadith of the prophet Muhammad (sal) have never been like this. If the prophet is speaking about two man how is it possible one is the real person, other is metaphorical... This is just one small point which struck me.

Imam Mahdi is not a system... Isa al Masih is not a system...

Sufiani is not a system... Dajjal is not a system...

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

Well I disagree, Dajjal is a system I believe; one-eyed system. This system is waiting for the 'mahdi', they are striving to push their agenda, using mass media control.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Kamran-Syed

[islamicdaddy]

we cannot be sure that the dajjal is not a system, many scholars think it is, some dont, i personally think the system is already in act, the way laws and "culture" in the west is, it goes against anything to do with obeying islamic laws, for example here in england, in teenage culture, they live to please girls, and girls live to please boys, they work all week, to go out to drink and do drugs as recreation, they are taught music.... just a small number of examples, but then 1 may turn around and say well thats just because thats how it is, but think about it, that could have easily been designed by the enemies of islam, to keep them away from the truth

ofcourse its much more complicated than that

Well I disagree, Dajjal is a system I believe; one-eyed system. This system is waiting for the 'mahdi', they are striving to push their agenda, using mass media control.

(bismillah)

(salam)

Dear friends, ofcourse I don't deny it's a "system". Same as there is a "system" for the Imam Mahdi (as) as well.

Some people follow the system of Dajjal, some follow the system of Imam Mahdi Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã.

The prophet (sal) confirmed what I always heard during my christian background that the dajjal would be a man. This is the words coming out of his (sal) mouth. Describing exactly how he looks in the same sentence that he (sal) was describing how the Masih will look... There has NEVER EVER been such unclarity in either quran or hadith. (Go ahead and try to find one). The message of prophet and Allah is always clear and simple. Sometimes literale, sometimes metaphorical... But never mixed...

:) Here... My five cents to the discussion... I'm quite passionate about this because following the Imam and rising against Dajjal is the gate through which I entered Islam. I was busy with this day and night during my youth...

But anyway... I guess we can agree on this:

If it's (solely) a system: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT IT TILL THE END

If it's both a system and an actual creepy madmen: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT THEM TILL THE END

Agreed on that?

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

[Kamranistan]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Dear friends, ofcourse I don't deny it's a "system". Same as there is a "system" for the Imam Mahdi (as) as well.

Some people follow the system of Dajjal, some follow the system of Imam Mahdi عليه السلام.

The prophet (sal) confirmed what I always heard during my christian background that the dajjal would be a man. This is the words coming out of his (sal) mouth. Describing exactly how he looks in the same sentence that he (sal) was describing how the Masih will look... There has NEVER EVER been such unclarity in either quran or hadith. (Go ahead and try to find one). The message of prophet and Allah is always clear and simple. Sometimes literale, sometimes metaphorical... But never mixed...

:) Here... My five cents to the discussion... I'm quite passionate about this because following the Imam and rising against Dajjal is the gate through which I entered Islam. I was busy with this day and night during my youth...

But anyway... I guess we can agree on this:

If it's (solely) a system: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT IT TILL THE END

If it's both a system and an actual creepy madmen: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT THEM TILL THE END

Agreed on that?

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

(salam) bro

I'm not denying that there might be a man (dajjal) probably will be, im just saying that tge system is clear to see right now. But yeah either way.

I'll see you on the battlefield inshaAllah ;) just interesting, as always the discussion of our imam (as) and his enemies near the end.

[Ali H Syed]

But anyway... I guess we can agree on this:

If it's (solely) a system: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT IT TILL THE END

If it's both a system and an actual creepy madmen: YOU AND ME WILL FIGHT THEM TILL THE END

Agreed on that?

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

agree fully :)!

(bismillah)

[Guest]

(salam)

As much as I try to understand I never understand what people say that Dajjal will kill Imam Mehdi (as).

I'm not sure what part of it is confusing me, maybe the part of how Dajjal will kill the Imam (as) or if it actually will happen or how Allah (SWT) will let it happen.

The hadiths confuse me even more. Many people say no, nothing like that will happen, some say it will.

Can someone just try and explain to me in semi-simple words if possible.

And my other thing is has Dajjal been already born? Im sure Im not the only one who recieved emails and such about a baby being born with one eye (pics included) and somebody posted a picture here also.

Thanks in advance.

Jazakallah

dajjal wont kill Imam Mahdi (atf) it will be the other way around. Remember that Imam (atf) will bring peace, justice and equality and for that to happen he will have to get rid of tyranny, injustice and inequality and then he will reign for 40 (some say more) years and will be martyred after that. To rule for 40 years he needs to get rid of dajjal who is very much alive and present and you only need to look around at the state of the world to see that. Consider watching the series 'the arrivals' you dont have to believe everything they say but a lot of it makes so much sense.

I dont think dajjal is a human being, its more of a metaphor of a ruling nation which will encourage people to follow their desires, rule over people through oppression while making them think they are free, spread wars and create blood shead and will bring about a secular order which is what the new world order is also about 'New world Secular Order' it will make people think there is no god and that they are their own gods. If you study the signs of dajjal you will see that a lot of them have already happened.

Ammar Nakshwani explains this beauitifully in his majalis about dajjal:

http://www.sayedamma...am2010-11i.html

Edited October 13, 2011 by AlHamdulillah110