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According to Syed Fadhullah's website:(Link), a new Fatwa has been issued which states that consuming seafood is now Halal ...

The old Fatwa: the impermissibility of eating what does not have scales of sea animals.

The new Fatwa: The Sayyed no longer considers not eating sea animals that do not have scales as on obligatory precaution, as he has been fully convinced that the evidence that call for their impermissibility are not sufficient.

Thus, such a precaution becomes only recommendable. It is also preferred not to eat sea animals other than fish.

Happy eating!

(wasalam)

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^Nice, squid soup and octopus shawarma would be great!!

and hey, while you're at it, can you please also check if there is any luck with "partially- sea-foods" like crocodile meat?? its delicious!

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(salam)

According to Syed Fadhullah's website:(Link), a new Fatwa has been issued which states that consuming seafood is now Halal ...

The old Fatwa: the impermissibility of eating what does not have scales of sea animals.

The new Fatwa: The Sayyed no longer considers not eating sea animals that do not have scales as on obligatory precaution, as he has been fully convinced that the evidence that call for their impermissibility are not sufficient.

Thus, such a precaution becomes only recommendable. It is also preferred not to eat sea animals other than fish.

Happy eating!

(wasalam)

Someone please request him to make bacon halal as well. The breakfast problem for his muqallids living in australia will be sorted!

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^Nice, squid soup and octopus shawarma would be great!!

and hey, while you're at it, can you please also check if there is any luck with "partially- sea-foods" like crocodile meat?? its delicious!

Salaam

Calamari is good, don't hate. Qur'an says all seafood, so this fatwa isn't so unorthodox. Unless someone would like to show me Sahih Hadith that refute Sayyed (rh)'s claim, I'm going with it.

Wasalaam

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Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah.s". But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 6:145

So eat of the sustenance which Allah has provided for you, lawful and good; and be grateful for the favours of Allah, if it is He Whom ye serve. He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper. 16:114-116

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1690288

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Sahih from Muhammad b. Muslim. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah about the al-jarii, the moray eel (al-maramahi), and az-zamir (a type of fish, I am unsure of its translation), and that of the fish [that does not have scales], is it haram? So he said to me: Oh Muhammad! Recite this ayat that is in al-An`am: “Say: 'I do not find, in what is revealed to me, aught forbidden.” He said: So I recited it until I was done with it. So he said: The haram is only that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden in His Book. However, they (pl.) were averse to (some) things, so we are averse to them.

http://www.rafed.net/books/hadith/wasael-24/v06.html#51

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1790802

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^Nice, squid soup and octopus shawarma would be great!!

and hey, while you're at it, can you please also check if there is any luck with "partially- sea-foods" like crocodile meat?? its delicious!

:sick: Eww

Just thinking of that is.. :sick:

Anyways this fatwa doesn't effect me one bit since I don't like seafood (fish, shrimp) to begin with -_-

But hey, maybe there is a tiny loop hole concerning crocodiles... :P

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Salaam

Now I'm just confused <_< Hadith saying we're forbidden to eat un-scaled fish and then hadith saying they're just makrooh!

Someone help? =]

Wasalaam

The hadith doesn't say makrooh. íÚÇÝæä¡ äÚÇÝåÇ ya3afoon, na3afuha, the verb is ya3af, íÚÇÝ, it means to lift yourself above something. It's expressing the fact that these foods are too "low" to be eaten, it's not becoming of someone who wants to be pure to eat them. Your fitra can feel what these foods are. However, regardless of that, the ayats of the Qur'an are very clear about what is absolutely haram. There are many conflicting hadiths about haram foods in Shia hadith collections, one hadith will say one animal is haram and another will say it's makrooh, which means it's disliked in general. And just because some people think a food is "lowly" doesn't mean that everyone thinks so. There are Sunni hadiths where some of the companions ate lizard and the Prophet was personally averse to eating it, yet he specifically said that he does not eat it and feels this aversion, but does not prohibit them from doing so. The companion in question came from a region where it was commonplace to eat.

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The hadith doesn't say makrooh. íÚÇÝæä¡ äÚÇÝåÇ ya3afoon, na3afuha, the verb is ya3af, íÚÇÝ, it means to lift yourself above something. It's expressing the fact that these foods are too "low" to be eaten, it's not becoming of someone who wants to be pure to eat them. Your fitra can feel what these foods are. However, regardless of that, the ayats of the Qur'an are very clear about what is absolutely haram. There are many conflicting hadiths about haram foods in Shia hadith collections, one hadith will say one animal is haram and another will say it's makrooh, which means it's disliked in general. And just because some people think a food is "lowly" doesn't mean that everyone thinks so. There are Sunni hadiths where some of the companions ate lizard and the Prophet was personally averse to eating it, yet he specifically said that he does not eat it and feels this aversion, but does not prohibit them from doing so. The companion in question came from a region where it was commonplace to eat.

Interesting. And if I found the tafseer that "game of the sea and its food" to NOT mean ALL of what comes from the water to be most compelling?

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The verse about seafood is a non-issue. The verse allowing everything except those things negated therein is stronger and more absolute than any positive prohibition. Moreover, the context of the verse shows that it was revealed about people in ihram, a state which has special regulations regarding killing things. It's not a general verse and is negated by those that specifically address the issue of food in general.

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(salam)

According to Syed Fadhullah's website:(Link), a new Fatwa has been issued which states that consuming seafood is now Halal ...

The old Fatwa: the impermissibility of eating what does not have scales of sea animals.

The new Fatwa: The Sayyed no longer considers not eating sea animals that do not have scales as on obligatory precaution, as he has been fully convinced that the evidence that call for their impermissibility are not sufficient.

Thus, such a precaution becomes only recommendable. It is also preferred not to eat sea animals other than fish.

Happy eating!

(wasalam)

Salaam Alaikum,

Don't practice taqleed yet but yeah...lobster, crab, and the like is just gross to me. That's a lot of work for a little reward (cracking the shell for the meat).

Wa Alaikum Salaam

Stefan

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(salam)

According to Syed Fadhullah's website:(Link), a new Fatwa has been issued which states that consuming seafood is now Halal ...

The old Fatwa: the impermissibility of eating what does not have scales of sea animals.

The new Fatwa: The Sayyed no longer considers not eating sea animals that do not have scales as on obligatory precaution, as he has been fully convinced that the evidence that call for their impermissibility are not sufficient.

Thus, such a precaution becomes only recommendable. It is also preferred not to eat sea animals other than fish.

Happy eating!

(wasalam)

So, let's summarize. The man recommends that you avoid shellfish, crab, lobster, etc., consistent with:

The hadith doesn't say makrooh. يعاÙون، نعاÙها ya3afoon, na3afuha, the verb is ya3af, يعاÙ, it means to lift yourself above something. It's expressing the fact that these foods are too "low" to be eaten, it's not becoming of someone who wants to be pure to eat them.

What is your objection? Verdicts are revised from obligatory precaution to recommended all the time. Welcome to the world of ijtihad. Please pick up a souvenir at the gift shop.

Edited by kadhim

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Not so fast. Its a recommended precaution. Secondly as its a precaution this means he does not have conclusive evidence for the situation so thats why he has issued a precaution.

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Shaykh Hurr al-`Amili, for example, quotes ahadith which indicate that Imam

`Ali (a.s.) used to go around the fish market of Kufa and announce that "do

not eat or sell the fish that does not have scales". (Wasailu 'sh-Shi`ah,

vol. 16, 329-330) Other statements from the fifth and sixth Shi`a Imams

clearly forbid the eating of a fish which does not have scales. (Ibid) On

the issue of shrimps and prawns, there are quite a few ahadith in Wasa'ilu

'sh-Shi`a, vol. 16 pp. 337 to 339. For example, Imam Musa al-Kazim (a.s.)

was asked about eating shrimps, he said: "There is no problem in it; and

shrimp is a kind of fish." Similar ahadith have been narrated from Imam Riza

(a.s.) also.

In short, the sea food that is allowed to us is as follows:

1. scale fish;

2. shrimp and prawns.

It might be of interest to note that the Shi`as are not unique or alone on

the ruling about scale fish and skin fish. Even the dietery laws in the

present version of Torah (Old Testament) says the same about non-scale fish.

It says: "Whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in

the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have no fins and scales in the

seas, and in the rivers, of all that moves in the waters, and of any living

thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you...ye

shall not eat of their flesh..." (Lev. 11:9-12)

I hope this clarifies the Shi`a Ja`fari point of view on sea food as well as

the verse mentioned in the question.

Sayyid M. Rizvi

http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aali...k/msg00283.html

Edited by Al-Mufeed

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Again, let's summarize the fatwa here in comparison to the "mainstream" view:

"Mainstream:" I strongly recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Fadlallah: I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Wow. What a difference! Everybody break out the torches and pitchforks. Burn the heretic!

Edited by YaZahraa`
Off-topic comments removed to split topic.

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Again, let's summarize the fatwa here in comparison to the "mainstream" view:

"Mainstream:" I strongly recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Fadlallah: I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Wow. What a difference! Everybody break out the torches and pitchforks. Burn the heretic!

Well there is a substantial difference here.

Muqalids of Mainstream scholars claim that crabs. lobsters, crocs etc are haraam for human consumption. Strongly recommend not to eat would make it sound makrooh akin to laws on smoking.

Muqalids of Fadlallah wil not feel so averse to the consumption of crabs, lobsters, crocs etc.

So we have to ask ourselves if consumption of such meat is a genuine problem. There's gotto be some cutting edge response that can amicably settle the tiebreaker.

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Again, let's summarize the fatwa here in comparison to the "mainstream" view:

"Mainstream:" I strongly recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Fadlallah: I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Wow. What a difference! Everybody break out the torches and pitchforks. Burn the heretic!

The new Fatwa: The Sayyed no longer considers not eating sea animals that do not have scales as on obligatory precaution, as he has been fully convinced that the evidence that call for their impermissibility are not sufficient.

Its about scales on the fish. Its not even a question of "mainstream" imo, its just him who is deviating on not only this but also many other issues. In history, one can find Imam Ali (as) refusing a falooda drink (traditional dense sweet drink from the subcontinent made of milk, cream, ice, sugar syrup, and strands of baked rice flour - nothing haram in it) which was offered to him by someone who revered him. The Imam (as) said that he knows about each type of food the Prophet (pbuh) has ever consumed and he follows him (pbuh) to the letter on that, and so he must reject what was offered since the Prophet (pbuh) never had it - so he refused it even if it is technically halal.

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Again, let's summarize the fatwa here in comparison to the "mainstream" view:

"Mainstream:" I strongly recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Fadlallah: I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Wow. What a difference! Everybody break out the torches and pitchforks. Burn the heretic!

Actually it's:

Mainstream: "Eating crabs, lobster, octopus, etc is FORBIDDEN period."

Fadlallah: "I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc".

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Again, let's summarize the fatwa here in comparison to the "mainstream" view:

"Mainstream:" I strongly recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Fadlallah: I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc.

Wow. What a difference! Everybody break out the torches and pitchforks. Burn the heretic!

No again it's more like

Mainstream- Only Fish with Scales, Shrimp, and Prawns are Halal

Fadlallah- Crabs, etc. are only Makruh not Haraam

[Note from Mod: Post edited - please stay on topic. Thanks.]

Edited by YaZahraa`

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^He issued a precaution which as far as I know means he int 100% sure of the answer. He isnt saying that it is halal neither is he saying its haram. All he is saying is he doesnt know for sure so its better to be cautious and refrain from it.

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oh well hes a marja so ill start eating seafood. sea food here i come yuuumm

Lol, this proves you don't do these things out of love for Allah swt, only because you're forced to. Now, there is a small window of opportunity in which according to Fadlallah himself says its recommended to stay away from, being makruh (highly disliked by Allah swt), still you don't care? Once something turns from haram to makruh, that's it it's fine now?

So you're saying it doesn't matter what Allah swt thinks of it?

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Lol, this proves you don't do these things out of love for Allah swt, only because you're forced to. Now, there is a small window of opportunity in which according to Fadlallah himself says its recommended to stay away from, being makruh (highly disliked by Allah swt), still you don't care? Once something turns from haram to makruh, that's it it's fine now?

So you're saying it doesn't matter what Allah swt thinks of it?

Well its not my problem when a marjah says its not haram then its his problem if his wrong. by the way makrouh is not haram . Forbideen and makrouh are 2 different things. As for what Allah swt says he doesnt say anything about not eating it.

Also i was only joking my marja is sistani. ;)

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Well its not my problem when a marjah says its not haram then its his problem if his wrong. by the way makrouh is not haram . Forbideen and makrouh are 2 different things.

Yes I know, that is what I said in my post. According to Fadlallah it is now makruh, not haram anymore. Makruh literally means "hated". That which is hated by Allah swt. This doesn't matter at all to you?

As for what Allah swt says he doesnt say anything about not eating it.

Yes he does. The Imams and Holy Prophet pbuh themselves say it is forbidden to eat other than scaled fish and shrimps. And as we know, the Imams (as) continue the path of the Prophet, and the Prophet (pbuh) forbade it, and all Muslims know that Nabi Muhammad (pbuh) never said anything other than what Allah swt ordained for him to say.

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Yes I know, that is what I said in my post. According to Fadlallah it is now makruh, not haram anymore. Makruh literally means "hated". That which is hated by Allah swt. This doesn't matter at all to you?

Yes he does. The Imams and Holy Prophet pbuh themselves say it is forbidden to eat other than scaled fish and shrimps. And as we know, the Imams (as) continue the path of the Prophet, and the Prophet (pbuh) forbade it, and all Muslims know that Nabi Muhammad (pbuh) never said anything other than what Allah swt ordained for him to say.

Bro i dont eat it and never will but for argument sake when u refer to Allah swt saying something then i wanna see it in his book the koran. i also believe in the prophets saaw and the imams (as) sayings but i cant guarentee the books of hadith are nesessarliy all authentic. i dont trust hadith books.

In the koran Allah has told me whats not allowed like pig and wine etc nothing about seafood. So Fadalah could still be right . But i still prefer sistani.

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(bismillah)

:yaali:

(salam)

Eating Sea Food is Always Halal, But their are Few Conditions that are applied, as per my little knowledge.

Only Fish with Scales, Shrimp, and Prawns are Halal

Crabs, etc. are only Makruh not Haraam

Talib-e-Dua

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No again it's more like

Mainstream- Only Fish with Scales, Shrimp, and Prawns are Halal

Fadlallah- Crabs, etc. are only Makruh not Haraam

[Off topic comments removed.]

Show me proof of this and its details.

Edited by YaZahraa`

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Actually it's:

Mainstream: "Eating crabs, lobster, octopus, etc is FORBIDDEN period."

Fadlallah: "I recommend you don't eat shellfish, crabs, lobster, octopus, etc".

So the end result in both is that a sincere and serious follower will abstain. So I have to ask again what the big deal is.

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So the end result in both is that a sincere and serious follower will abstain. So I have to ask again what the big deal is.

Yes of course. But as you and me both know, 95% of Muslims worldwide are not 100% pious, sincere, etc. They'll see this as a green light that all of it is ok to eat. You know that.

It doesn't matter to me personally, but I feel sorry for the ones who see this as a go-ahead that's all.

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Yes of course. But as you and me both know, 95% of Muslims worldwide are not 100% pious, sincere, etc. They'll see this as a green light that all of it is ok to eat. You know that.

It doesn't matter to me personally, but I feel sorry for the ones who see this as a go-ahead that's all.

Right, but that a muqallid interprets "you'd better not" as "go ahead," that's not exactly the fault of the marja, is it?

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Are you sure Sayyed Fadlallah made that Fatwa? Because one can't change a ruling that was stated in the Qur'an

The quran isnt descriptive on this subject.

The mainstream opinion of shi'as has always been that fish with out scales is haram. We have hadeeths that are considered saheeh by our ulamah that state that Imam Ali told people that fish with out scales is haram.

Ali (a.s.) used to go around the fish market of Kufa and announce that "do

not eat or sell the fish that does not have scales". (Wasailu 'sh-Shi`ah,

vol. 16, 329-330)

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