Is it really right for her to die unmarried?

[anzurna]

(salam)

yes, but to get around this, people say a sayed is anyone from the banu hashim, as such bibi Zeynab's (as) husband Abdullah, was in fact a sayed.

The bottom line is, for those who actually think it is haram for such a marriage to occure, it would be best not too marry into such a family, leave them to their superstitions, because there is no doubt they would talk down to, and mistreat the non-sayed who has married into their family.

If that would be true (that anyone from Banu Hashim is Sayed), than it shouldn't be the compulsory requirement for Sayed to have a family tree originating from either Imam Hassan (as) or Imam Hussain (as). At least, I haven't seen anyone calling himself Sayed and showing his Family tree origination from anyone other than Imam Hassan (as) or Imam Hussain (as). It is also compulsory requirement in Ahl-e-Sunnat brothers' sect.

Edited January 19, 2011 by anzurna

[Ali_Hussain]

If that would be true (that anyone from Banu Hashim is Sayed), than it shouldn't be the compulsory requirement for Sayed to have a family tree originating from either Imam Hassan (as) or Imam Hussain (as). At least, I haven't seen anyone calling himself Sayed and showing his Family tree origination from anyone other than Imam Hassan (as) or Imam Hussain (as). It is also compulsory requirement in Ahl-e-Sunnat brothers' sect.

I haven't been able to find the defenition from any reputable sources, however wiki had something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid

Sayyid (Arabic: سيد‎) (plural sādah Arabic: سادة‎) literally means Mister. As an honorific title given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husain ibn Ali, sons of the prophet's daughter Fatima Zahra and his son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib. Daughters of sayyids are given the titles Sayyida, Alawiyah, Syarifah, or Sharifah. Children of a Sayyida mother but a non-Sayyid father cannot be attributed the title of Sayyid, however they may claim the title Mirza by maternal descent. Sayyids are by definition a branch of the tribe of Banu Hashim, a clan from the tribe of Quraish that traces its lineage to Adnan and thence to the Prophet Ismael.

I have heard scholars such as Sayed Muhammad al-Musawi give the same defenition, but he said those from Imam Ali (as) and bibi Fatima (as) were "the best sayeds" but non the less, technically, so are others from the banu hashim.

but in essence you are right, it is doubtfull the type of families we are talking about would permit the marriage of their daughter to a man who can't trace his lineage to rasulullah (pbuh)

Edited January 19, 2011 by ShahHussain

[Shi3i4lyfYouTube]

The clash of culture and religion has caused many Muslims to be brainwashed.

May Allah (swt) protect us..

This is unbearable to read..

[Peace!]

If society were more welcoming of such marriages, then I am sure that it would spark a new trend - most people could be persuaded to try out new things as long as they are not made unhappy by the society they mingle in with their individual choices.

[Abu Hadi]

(salam)

...

The bottom line is, for those who actually think it is haram for such a marriage to occure, it would be best not too marry into such a family, leave them to their superstitions, because there is no doubt they would talk down to, and mistreat the non-sayed who has married into their family.

+1

[Liggel]

It may not entirely be her own fault. It is possible she actually believes (due to being unaware of the rules) that it is haram for her to marry a non-syed. She may be desirous of marrying any non-syed, but due to ignorance, she may simply have no idea that she is permitted to marry into non-syeds. Her words "what option do I have" hint towards this.

[ImAli]

It may not entirely be her own fault. It is possible she actually believes (due to being unaware of the rules) that it is haram for her to marry a non-syed. She may be desirous of marrying any non-syed, but due to ignorance, she may simply have no idea that she is permitted to marry into non-syeds. Her words "what option do I have" hint towards this.

If she has never been married I guess her father would have to approve so it is probably his fault. Or maybe she was just trying to blow you off (sorry...but some women make things up to get rid of a guy).

[IFK]

Salam

I was actually very surprised that many people truely believe that Sayyeds can only marry Syeaddas and basically consider non Sayyedas inferior to them..in today's world, anyone thinking like that should really go back to the basic requirement of an Islamic marriage-TAQWA/EMAAN..oh, and also that the Quran/ Hadith states that people should not be judged by family but rather emaan (Ive been told about this-just not sure WHERE it is?)..and noone is better than another except by their emaan..

its just SO ANNOYING to see this in indo- pak communities...im a revert...and some pple think tht im not "good enough" just because I dont have Syed blood or Muslim upbringing...that mentality will do nothing but hurt others..and cause relationships to sour...im so scared to even tell people in the community that im a revert just because of that..

I personally truely believe that being Sayyed is one of the greatest blessings that can be given, it should NOT be abused the way some people do (by showing off, or not wanting their children to marry others without the blood even though they may be pious etc.)

And this is especially the case if the boy is Syed and woman nonSyed- the Syedness is going to pass through the boy- THEN what problem does the indo-pak community have?

Anyway, werent most of our Imams born from slave women? How many of the mothers of our Imams were Sayyeds? (as far as I know, not too many!!)

Wasalam

Edited August 12, 2011 by IFK

[ImAli]

Salam

I was actually very surprised that many people truely believe that Sayyeds can only marry Syeaddas and basically consider non Sayyedas inferior to them..in today's world, anyone thinking like that should really go back to the basic requirement of an Islamic marriage-TAQWA/EMAAN..oh, and also that the Quran/ Hadith states that people should not be judged by family but rather emaan (Ive been told about this-just not sure WHERE it is?)..and noone is better than another except by their emaan..

its just SO ANNOYING to see this in indo- pak communities...im a revert...and some pple think tht im not "good enough" just because I dont have Syed blood or Muslim upbringing...that mentality will do nothing but hurt others..and cause relationships to sour...im so scared to even tell people in the community that im a revert just because of that..

I personally truely believe that being Sayyed is one of the greatest blessings that can be given, it should NOT be abused the way some people do (by showing off, or not wanting their children to marry others without the blood even though they may be pious etc.)

And this is especially the case if the boy is Syed and woman nonSyed- the Syedness is going to pass through the boy- THEN what problem does the indo-pak community have?

Anyway, werent most of our Imams born from slave women? How many of the mothers of our Imams were Sayyeds? (as far as I know, not too many!!)

Wasalam

I wouldn't know I have never been around many Pakistani Shia except for on this website, but never really in person. I have only been around Arab Shia and to be honest I have never seen them make such a big deal out of Sayyeds (except Sayyed Hassan :wub: Nassrallah)

[Waiting for HIM]

YES - she is the victim of her own sisters' greed and selfishness and lack of submission to Allah's commands for that they would not let their husband do a second union.

[Gepetto_Zapata]

I wouldn't know I have never been around many Pakistani Shia except for on this website, but never really in person. I have only been around Arab Shia and to be honest I have never seen them make such a big deal out of Sayyeds (except Sayyed Hassan :wub: Nassrallah)

Agreed... I've never heard the importance of this issue between Arabs till I started reading about it in SC by non-Arabs...

[Abu'l Khattab]

A logical answer:

Bibi Syeda Zainab (Leader of all Syed women-as well as Islam, having Father Amir-Ul-Momineen, having Brothers Savior of Islam, having Grandfather Founder of Islam - no Syed woman can be better than her) was married to Non-Syed Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Ja'far Tayyar Aleh Salam.

Ja'far al Tayyar was a Syed meaning his son would be one too.

[Exorcised]

I'm pretty sure that the mother of Imam Mahdi was a Byzantine, so if the 11th Imam thinks that an ex-Christian is good enough for him, who does your teacher think she is to be looking for a Syed?