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Why Iran & Iraq need: Separation of Mosque-State

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I have one question to those who advocate a seperation of Mosque and state on the basis of not agreeing with WF. Why is it that you advocate only liberal democracy as the best form of government for the Muslim world? Why is it that liberal democracy is taken as the standard to which Muslims should emulate - why not Socialism, Nationalism, Fascism, Mercantilism or any other doctrine?

Hassan Abbasi once made a sad joke about this, he said some might want Mercantilism and the likes, but their obsessive proponents are still trying to figure out how to spell the word in the Farsi language.

As for this thread, it is filled with not only misconceptions but outright lies.

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I have one question to those who advocate a seperation of Mosque and state on the basis of not agreeing with WF. Why is it that you advocate only liberal democracy as the best form of government for the Muslim world? Why is it that liberal democracy is taken as the standard to which Muslims should emulate - why not Socialism, Nationalism, Fascism, Mercantilism or any other doctrine?
This is a very good qustion that you have rasied when people are aganist the WF most seem to think that so-called liberal democracy is the only answer for the Ummah

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On this matter it will be interesting to imagine the opinion of the iranian people(educated or not) if they were asked would you prefer a system close to the western democracies or your wilayat faqih rule ?guess what would be the answer ???

btw 200 000 iranians per year ,many of them educated people are leaving the wilayat faqih paradize

http://www.ncpdaus.org/images/iran_poverty...Khoramshahr.jpg

http://www.iran-resist.org/local/cache-vig..._orig-c7464.jpg

The european cities are often confronted to spectacular actions of groups of iranian immigrants seeking regularization ,in public places,churches,schools and universities and sometimes they put their lives in danger as you can see on these recent pictures.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bEU1YbdmA2lV

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eAk8q9gCH28B

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btw 200 000 iranians per year ,many of them educated people are leaving the wilayat faqih paradize

Over 200,000 Britons fleeing the UK each year as record 160,000 foreigners are granted citizenship

I'd still like an answer to my question. And more specifically, I'd like answers from people who have at least a basic understanding of WF and alternative systems (unlike Umar here).

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Iqra ,yes the world is in need of their knowledge ,in Dubai ,Saudi Arabia ,and south eastern Asia or for exotic destinations like the australian islands,most of these migrants are very rich retired persons...You know ,This is an another kind of migration .

I 'm sure the smart and educated person you are ,you are aware of the sad situation inside Iran ,this is dramatic situation i would say because the country is very rich in human and natural resources.It's difficult for any regime to do worse than the mollahs if we take into account this potential.Even the crazy Khadafi has better achievement for his people or at least comparable.

If Fanon had known clerical Iran and lived in it for years he would have criticized it.

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Iqra ,yes the world is in need of their knowledge ,in Dubai ,Saudi Arabia ,and south eastern Asia or for exotic destinations like the australian islands,most of these migrants are very rich retired persons...You know ,This is an another kind of migration .

Actually, you have no clue about what outward immigration from the UK is related to - it has nothing to do with being extremely rich, but hating England. Bad weather, no prospects, can't even buy a travelcard with a £10 note and get change - these are the reasons that people leave the UK. Some of my family are leaving the UK next month to start a new life in Australia - they are in their mid-20s, and are leaving because they prefer the lifestyle and wages there.

They certainly don't go to Saudi Arabia :lol:..

I 'm sure the smart and educated person you are ,you are aware of the sad situation inside Iran ,this is dramatic situation i would say because the country is very rich in human and natural resources.

Brain-drain is more related to better monetary prospects in the West rather than hating Ayatollah Khamenei and WF. This happens in every global-south country in the world - Iran is no exception. The West uses this as an opportunity to paint the situation as a triumph of their ideology and liberalism over backwardness and cultural inferiorism - and some fools are dumb enough to fall for it and start demanding the same type of system in the south.

It's difficult for any regime to do worse than your mollahs.Even the crazy Khadafi has better achievement for his people or at least comparable.

Not that it was in any doubt, but statements like this let everyone know that you are clueless.

If Fanon had known clerical Iran and lived in it for years he would have criticized it.

Did you just Wiki Fanon to gain a synopsis of his ideology then? :lol:

Not impressed.

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Iqra ,no i'm a student in a field which has some concern with the"negritude movement" and Fanon is one of its representative.

And your relativization of the iranian failure is an intellectual dishonesty that i hate ,because it remember me the Pravda style literature of the Soviet era.

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Iqra ,no i'm a student in a field which has some interest into the"negritude movement" and Fanon is one of its representative.

Then you better start cracking the books - because WF is totally consistent with Fanon's world view. Shariati translated his works into Farsi during the 70's, and they were important reading to many revolutionaries in '79.

And your relativization of the iranian failure is an intellectual dishonesty that i hate ,because it remember me the Pravda style literature of the Soviet era.

And Pravda is so below Fox News isn't it?

Stalin once commented that Soviet propaganda was nothing compared to what the US had, simply because Soviet citizens knew that they were consuming propaganda - victims of Western propaganda rarely ever realise this.

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Iqra ,

The iranian community in the US is one of the most successful and one of the richest,this is because they have opportunities(despite all the evil and the bad that exist in the USA,Fox news and other ),this is what they lack in Iran,because ,Mollah paradize is one of the most corrupt country in the world.Check transparency 2007 report. It's also a zionist made report?

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Iqra ,

The iranian community in the US is one of the most successful and one of the richest,this is because they have opportunities,

No, it is because they are living off of stolen oil money from the 70's.

this is what they lack in Iran,because ,Mollah paradize is one of the most corrupt country in the world.Check transparency 2007 report. It's also a zionist made report?

Economic situation in Iran is poor, but getting better. Corruption is not as bad as it was under Khatami - and is still being stamped out.

Furthermore, are you saying that the financial and economic system in the US is devoid of corruption? Anywhere where a Capitalist market exists, you have corruption - it goes hand in hand. Why would bourgeoise democracy help this?

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All this boils down to

1) Educated and Uneducated.

Isn’t is silly to say those who are learned should not enter the government posts while the stupid uneducated can get in there and make this world a hell like the politicians in the secular world.

2) If you do not like our affairs handled by the Islamic elites – What other system of Gov do you propose?

Remember, Allah has promised All-Good, ---- WHILE ----- Shaitan lies and deceives

Yet very few turn to Allah --- AND ---- .majority of us run to shaitan.

Hi Ali Fazel: I have a problem with Theocracies I should say all theocracies. The reason is fundamental really, the minorities become second class citizens. The law is defined by the state religion and there is trouble finding a good job if you are in the minority because of your faith. I have no problem with men of faith being in gov't but I do not like people of any particular gov't being the gov't.

"We have genius (particularly in the west) who pushing the technology to the limits - BUT - when it comes to religion their brains start to malfunction.

They cannot add TWO plus TWO and come to FOUR."

Please tell me the foundation upon which you built the two statements above.

Peace

Satyaban

Lets use Iran as an example – The largest population of Jews in the Islamic world are found in Iran --- They are quiet comfortable (considering the dangers - Islamic Iran has to be very alert regarding the infiltration of enemy agents, and the dangers of traitors within). Jews and many other minorities have a representative in the parliament.

Also remember Iranian system of Government has just come into existence in the last 40 years. The first 10 years were wasted in the Imposed war, yet it is dealing so humanly in all issues. With time it will become more advance system.

Look at the western Democracies – Were these not responsible for the wars that killed millions --- (Hiroshima Nagasaki, Korea, Vietnam, Latin America. ) In this advance era the war in Iraq was waged on lies of WMD and million lost their lives, many have suffered barbaric tortures. How can any person pass a negative verdict on theocracy and remain indifferent to the barbarism on other systems of government.

The theocracy in Iran has not indulged in such Atrocities or tortures that you see in the east and west.

Besides all other systems are suffering the problems SO you cannot say Iran’s problems are related to Theocracy.

- I prefer people to acquire a degree in medical before they practice in the Hospitals and surgeries.

- I prefer the pilots to qualify before they fly us from one destination to another

- chemical engineers to qualify before they produce medicine for masses.

Its less dangerous that way

AND Similarly I prefer the rule of the land in the hands of qualified people - At least we will be in good hands.

"We have genius (particularly in the west) who pushing the technology to the limits - BUT - when it comes to religion their brains start to malfunction.

They cannot add TWO plus TWO and come to FOUR."

Please tell me the foundation upon which you built the two statements above.

Peace

Satyaban

Simple satyaban – You are witness to the miracles of technology all over the world – But these very genius have not been able to ascertain the righteous path to the creator. Nor have they been able to give a verdict on religions. The most genius of these (from Christian faith) are still fooled into believing that God has a biological son (word ‘only Begotten’ is used) While declare God does not have a wife – BUT they fail to explain this belief ---- In technology they use logics BUT in issues of religion their brains suffer a power failure. Right :!!!:

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I have one question to those who advocate a seperation of Mosque and state on the basis of not agreeing with WF. Why is it that you advocate only liberal democracy as the best form of government for the Muslim world? Why is it that liberal democracy is taken as the standard to which Muslims should emulate - why not Socialism, Nationalism, Fascism, Mercantilism or any other doctrine?

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Ali Fazel

"Simple satyaban – You are witness to the miracles of technology all over the world – But these very genius have not been able to ascertain the righteous path to the creator. Nor have they been able to give a verdict on religions. The most genius of these (from Christian faith) are still fooled into believing that God has a biological son (word ‘only Begotten’ is used) While declare God does not have a wife – BUT they fail to explain this belief ---- In technology they use logics BUT in issues of religion their brains suffer a power failure. Right"

I can't make any kind of connection with what you say. Who should be able to "ascertain the righteous path" and why is it a weakness if these genius' have not. What is a "verdict on religions" Are you making the fatal error of mixing religion with science? You make no sense to me.

Peace

Satyaban

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First ...

secondly, he doesn't oppose WF, he opposes full authority WF. As a matter of fact, very few marjas oppose WF, the disagreement is on the level of authority.

Ayatollah Sistani opinion of WF is somewhere between Ayatollah Khoei and Ayatollah Khomeini, even so more leaned towards Ayatollah Khomeini rather than his own teacher.

The fact that you don't "believe" they should be rulers is fair enough, but its pretty much useless if you can't back it up by some sort of academic foundation and justification.

Wasalam

(bismillah)

(salam)

Let's assume that we were running a country but didn't want to implement an Islamic system. What would we implement? Capitalism? Communism? Would we re-invent our own method of governance? Which code of rules and regulations would we use? On what basis would we decide what is allowed/prohibited?

How would we justify allowing something that the Qur'an forbids?.

(salam)

I should preface my remarks by saying I had viliyat-i-faqih in college taught by a Farsi specialist in religion.

I have since read a few papers and while reading the Quran I found there a few ayats that you could use for or against it.

First, a pious ruler could do as Umar did: he had scholars around him so he could hear what they had to say.

But that was 1400 years ago.

Second, I am strongly for using Quran and hadith but not ijtihad or qiyas(analogy).

So, what is the purpose of gov't? To have a competent administration of the community.

Well, pagans can do that.

The purpose of an islamic gov't is to have a moral and competent administration of the community.

We can do that.

And how? Since the only source of Law is that which Allah(swt) as Rahim(swt) has revealed and that which exists in Hadith, there is no further discussion on this point. But this is not the only point. We all now live in modern nation states. So we structure our Islamic State accordingly. Quran & Hadith are the Unchangeable Law and everything else is Secular Regulations which we can modify or change as conditions warrant through the passage of time. The Quran is Guidance as it so reveals. It does not cover every little problem or challange. Secular Regulations, and with their Secular Courts, handle these things as Islamic Courts handle that covered by fiqh. Rhetorically: "Or can you find a hadith on parking tickets, food and drug regulations, airline or automobile safety" ? "Are these riwaya" ?

So instead of "legislatures", we have a "regulatory congress" or whatever humble name we give them.

In this way, the Quran and Hadith are left unchallenged. And the regulations can change with time.

As for the religious minorities, Jew and Christian, their Old Testament book, Exodus 21..., will serve in place of our fiqh.

As for the question of "capitalism or communism" (and you can add socialism), you are asking which one of two extremes do we choose: laissez-faire, free for all, anything goes, 'pure' capitalism; or 'busy body', slow-assed, buearocratic, unimagitive socialism.

The islamic states can develop its own paradigm: what is owned or not owned by the state, what is regulated and by whom, etc.

The water systems and roads owned by the state works pretty well. Banks, factories and construction companies owned by the state work poorly -if at all, as their primary output is waste and corruption.

I'll continue to read the rest of the thread now. I wanted to stop after the first page to comment.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the entire Shia madhab is based on authority of Ahlulbayt and none others. And in their absences, the concept of Wilayat Faqigh explained by Imam Jafar Sadeq (as) maybe misunderestood by those who believe in this concept Iranian style.

I personally like to see religious people "influcing" people locally. There was a time when people LOVED their local Sheikhs in Iran but now that is not the case. Anyway Allahu Aaalam

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For many reasons, I do not support the Iranian régime. Politics are corruption by nature, and we should not let our religious scholars be influenced by political issues.

The implication of your logic is that since politics is corrupt then we should leave it to the corrupt. This is not exactly a ground-breaking treatise in political science that promises to solve problems of governance is it. Even worse, whether you realise it or not you are positing that the Prophet of Islam [pbuh] was by implication corrupt (or partook in corruption) since, with all his spiritual glory, he was also a stateman. The Prophet [pbuh] never seperated politics from religion because the issue of justice (in all its dimensions) was intrinsic to both. Islam is all about justice and the path to that end is through politics. Wilayat al-Faqih is probably the best vehicle to that destination in the absence of an infalible Imam. The alternative is slavery under the rule and whim of the corrupt.

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Separation of the "Church and State" or "Mosque and State" is a Secular Kufr ideology that goes against the Quran and Sunnah of Rasoulallah(saw). Anyone who believes that the Sharia should be replaced by man made laws (Democracy, Capitalism, Communism or Socialism) commits Kufr.

Allah(swt) says in the Quran:

"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers (Kafiroon)." (5:44)

This ayaah was revealed when the Jews decided to replace the law of Allah(swt) of stoning the adulterer with a less severe punishment because the sinners were a noble man and noble women, So they came to the Prophet(saw) in the hopes of getting a more lenient punishment. And Allah(swt) revealed this Ayah.

Also from the Imams(as) in numerous ahadeeth:

Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Faddal from Tha`laba from Sabbah al-Azraq from Hakam the stuffer from Abu Basir from Abu Ja`farعليه السلام, and al-Hakam from Ibn Abi Ya`fur from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Whoever rules in regards to two dirham by other than what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed, from whoever has a lash or a staff, then he is a kafir of what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed upon Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله. (Al Kafi, Wasael al Shi'a)

If people are not allowed to rule by anything other than the Quran and Sunnah on even a dirham, then how can they legislate rules in the Government by anything other than the Quran and Sunnah.

From Abu Basir. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام saying: Whoever rules in regards to two dirham by other than what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed, then he is a kafir of Allah the Almighty. (Wasa'el al Shi'a)

Any Government not ruled by the Quran and Sunnah is an illegitimate Government of Taghout that should be dismantled.

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Separation of the "Church and State" or "Mosque and State" is a Secular Kufr ideology that goes against the Quran and Sunnah of Rasoulallah(saw). Anyone who believes that the Sharia should be replaced by man made laws (Democracy, Capitalism, Communism or Socialism) commits Kufr.

Allah(swt) says in the Quran:

"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers (Kafiroon)." (5:44)

This ayaah was revealed when the Jews decided to replace the law of Allah(swt) of stoning the adulterer with a less severe punishment because the sinners were a noble man and noble women, So they came to the Prophet(saw) in the hopes of getting a more lenient punishment. And Allah(swt) revealed this Ayah.

Also from the Imams(as) in numerous ahadeeth:

Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Faddal from Tha`laba from Sabbah al-Azraq from Hakam the stuffer from Abu Basir from Abu Ja`farعليه السلام, and al-Hakam from Ibn Abi Ya`fur from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Whoever rules in regards to two dirham by other than what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed, from whoever has a lash or a staff, then he is a kafir of what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed upon Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله. (Al Kafi, Wasael al Shi'a)

If people are not allowed to rule by anything other than the Quran and Sunnah on even a dirham, then how can they legislate rules in the Government by anything other than the Quran and Sunnah.

From Abu Basir. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام saying: Whoever rules in regards to two dirham by other than what Allah عزّ وجلّ revealed, then he is a kafir of Allah the Almighty. (Wasa'el al Shi'a)

Any Government not ruled by the Quran and Sunnah is an illegitimate Government of Taghout that should be dismantled.

In an ideal religious state its good to have it but i verse of Quran it say

"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the..."

Prophets are the authority of God on earth and in Shia Islam believe our holy Imams as well. They don't sin, they are not biased and they are in complete surrender to God which is why they can implement God's laws correctly.

But many sinners and biased people implementing Sharia? A few years of studying at Hawza doesn't give infallibility to any one. Its a process earned and usually those who are really pure stay away from politics. Many Shias disagree with a religious state until return of Imam Mahdi (as)

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In an ideal religious state its good to have it but i verse of Quran it say

"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the..."

Prophets are the authority of God on earth and in Shia Islam believe our holy Imams as well. They don't sin, they are not biased and they are in complete surrender to God which is why they can implement God's laws correctly.

But many sinners and biased people implementing Sharia? A few years of studying at Hawza doesn't give infallibility to any one. Its a process earned and usually those who are really pure stay away from politics. Many Shias disagree with a religious state until return of Imam Mahdi (as)

Read the ayaah properly it says:

"Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars..."

So this proves wilayatul faqih without a shadow of doubt since the scholars have been given authority to judge and rule over the people just as the Prophets and Imams were.

I should make a note though, in the above translation الربانيون (Ar Rabaani'oon) has been translated as "Rabbis" and الأحبار (Al Ahbaar) has been translated as scholars. According to the tafsir of Aba Abdillah (as) in Al Ayyashi 'Ar Rabaani'oon' refers to the Imams and Al Ahbaar refers to the scholars who are fuqaha and have knowledge of the revelation.

"Abu 'Amr az-Zubayri narrates from Abu ' Abdillah (a.s.) that he said, "Surely the things because of which one deserves Imamah are: Purification, cleanliness from sins and grave offences which make one liable to the hell; then enlightened - and another copy says, (hidden) knowledge of all that the ummah needs, its halal and haram, knowledge of its Book, its particular and general, decisive and ambiguous, intricacies of its knowledge and marvels of its interpretation, its abrogating and abrogated."

"I said, 'What is the proof that Imam cannot be except he who has the knowledge of these things you have mentioned? He said, The word of Allah regarding those whom He has given permission to rule and made them deserving to it: Surely We sent down the Torah in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) were judging (matters) for those who were Jews, and (so did) the Divines and the scholars, ...So these are the Imams, below the prophets, who raised up the people by their knowledge; and as for al-ahbar, they are the scholars, below the Divines; then Allah gave information and said: as they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah; and He did not say, they were put under the burden of the Book.'" (at-Tafsir, al-'Ayyashi)"

Also when you say "many Shi'as disagree with a religious state until the return", if by this you mean the scholars. Then this is simply a myth repeated only by the ignorant people who have no clue on the laws of Islam. From the time of Sheikh al Mufid till present time our scholars have unanimously agreed upon the necessity of an Islamic State to safeguard and implement the laws of Shari'a. The differences have been on its structure.

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I am just too intimidated to "interpret" the Quran taking it so lightly just like how some do. But I want to mention that Quran has also condemn Jews and their scholars as well in other parts of Quran.

Again I am not doing a tafseer but that verse at first look seems to be referring to their scholars protecting the religion and its rules and be judges and etc not ruling the societies and being absolute power like how kings or Khalifas do it.

I don't want to get on people's political nerves but I see the so called "Islamic States" in action today and I see something seriously wrong....anyway thanks for the info I will for sure study them further.

Wasalam

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I am just too intimidated to "interpret" the Quran taking it so lightly just like how some do. But I want to mention that Quran has also condemn Jews and their scholars as well in other parts of Quran.

You are too intimidated yet in your next sentence you trying to give us your own "tafseer". And what has condemning the Jews in other ayaat got to do with this? Allah says in the Ayaah that he sent the Torah as a guidance for the Prophets, Imams and the scholars to judge by, you don't need to do 'tafsir' to understand that basic concept.

Again I am not doing a tafseer but that verse at first look seems to be referring to their scholars protecting the religion and its rules and be judges and etc not ruling the societies and being absolute power like how kings or Khalifas do it.

You can keep telling yourself "I am not doing tafsir, Iam not doing tafsir" but the fact is you are, and according to your opinion too. Since you don't even know the sabaab an nuzul of the ayah and its tafsir from the Ahlul Bayt(as). To judge over people by the revelation of Allah means you are ruling over them and judgements by necessity needs Governance and authority since without implementing the laws it cannot be called judgement as evidenced by the narrations of Abdullah ibn Muskan from Rasullah(saw) and from ibn Abi Ya'fur from Imam as Sadiq(as) both in al Kafi.

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Hmm.. I cant vote for some reason.

 

However here is my reply:
 

I think Iran should not have separation of masjid-state, but Iraq should.

 

Why? because Iran is a stable country.

Why #2? Because Iraq is an unstable country with history of sunni violence (Saddam hussein....)

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Back in the year 1995/6, i read an article from Japan Times that secularity is the act that result from the experience of Christianity, i,e, that when a body of religion coincides with a body of states then they will corrupt (each other).

So, i think it is the result of Christian civilization.

Secularity is not Shia of Ahlul Bayt a.s./Ahlul Bayt a.s.'s tenet/teaching.

Ahlul Bayt a,s, suffer (being murdered) in this dunia because the reactions of their enemy due to their tight holding of principal in obeying Allah SWT in whatever, whenever, whereever conditions they a.s. face.

And because of this secularity, the state-man/president of USA neglect/disobey the rule of ethics in his governance.

Main important for them is right away victory.

They consider the one who get killed in their actions as victims of other entities.

They need a long explanation.

Do not wait for Superman, Batman, or other superhero or even Imam Mahdi a.s. when you have chance to change the world into better place, just do it.

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