Sikhism and Shiaism

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

What are some of the similarities between Sikhism and Shiaism. Recently, a Shia shrine was allowed in east Punjab, and Shias built a Sikh shrine in southern Iraq to return the favor. So what exactly is the connection between Sikhism and Shiaism. Both religions are very similar. In fact, apart from different names and different language, they are virtually identical in philosophy.

Shias revere 12 imams, and Sikhs revere 10 gurus. Both regard their set of imams and gurus as infallible guides. Shias mourn the martyrdom of the third Imam Hussain, while Sikhs mourn the martyrdom of their fifth guru Arjun Dev. And of course both religions have a strong attachment to religious art and imagery. What are some other similarities?

Edited December 17, 2008 by Ghulam Nabi

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

Golden shrines?

[yonus 3]

Hello Ghulam ,

It is good to show the simliraty between religions , but maybe shia consider this as insult ( how come there is a similarity between Islam and Kufr ! ) . Where is the thara ( soil ) from thuraya (Pleiades ) ? Thara (soil ) is seikh and Thuraya (Pleiades ) is shiasm .

It is like if you ask a muslim Are you drunk ? It is insult to ask him this question .

However shias and sunnis have the right to make similarities between christianity or other religions and ancient mythilogia .

Therefore I invite myself and the other bro. and sis. from different religions to be humble to each other and no one is better than other save the taqwa .

I have nothing more to say .

[Abbas. 3,652]

What are some of the similarities between Sikhism and Shiaism. Recently, a Shia shrine was allowed in east Punjab, and Shias built a Sikh shrine in southern Iraq to return the favor. So what exactly is the connection between Sikhism and Shiaism. Both religions are very similar. In fact, apart from different names and different language, they are virtually identical in philosophy.

Shias revere 12 imams, and Sikhs revere 10 gurus. Both regard their set of imams and gurus as infallible guides. Shias mourn the martyrdom of the third Imam Hussain, while Sikhs mourn the martyrdom of their fifth guru Arjun Dev. And of course both religions have a strong attachment to religious art and imagery. What are some other similarities?

A serious discussion regarding two or more schools of thought could only begin by the comparison of their Primary & secondary principles, which apparantly you are unaware of.

As for your comparison of Imams of Shias and Gurus of Sikhs, ofcourse leadership exists in many religions. The idea of infallible leadership in shia school of thought is backed by reasoning and references. Regarding mourning, it is an emotional behavriour of human beings. They mourn at the loss or irony of their loved ones. Regarding art and imagery, this is related to cultural heritage than the religion itself. The question is if a religion allows or disallows such practices on the basis of references and reasoning or if it only offers the mantra of "Kill the infidels" at all times.

[ImamAliwabas 65]

Sikhs are are a mixture of hinduism and islam and mainly sufi islam. they have nothing to do with shias

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

On the contrary I think that Shiaism and very similar to Sikhism. Of course Shiaism is older than Sikhism, but probably Sikhism got many of its ideas from Shiaism. It's just interesting to see the similarities especially how Sikhs revere there gurus exactly how Shias revere the 12 imams.

[Abdaal 2]

Guru Nanak is believed to be a Muslim. He sat with the sufi and had Muslim mureeds.

Guru Nanak in Baghdad.

Translation“He acquired different sciences. In particular he acquired proficiency in Islamic lore, the interpretation of the Holy Quran, the knowledge of religious cults and Arabic and Persian literature. He made remarkable headway in these. He carried on a struggle to end oppression and repression that prevailed in different countries. He raised the banner of justice and destroyed untruth and hypocrisyl; so long as the weak did not obtain their right he stood by them and regarded the powerful who lost their head in their arrogance as dastardly. He was the best specimen of piety and hunger for travel.”\

He did Hajj in Mecca.

He stayed in Baghdad for 12 years.

He associated with sufis for 40 years and did Zhikr with them in this time period.

Guru Nanak's cloak.

Also here is a Muslim version of Guru Nanak's image.

[HizbullahiFan 0]

and mr sunni here should remember that Imam Hussain is respectable in the eyes of sunnis as well. His shrine is revered by all the good muslims of the world.

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

Guru Nanak was not a Muslim, but he made pilgrimages to Islamic shrines and disrespected them. He was a very disrespectful person to Islam, when he went to Makka Muazma shareef he placed his feet in the direction of the Qibla and offended all the Muslims:

Sikhism was an anti-Islamic cult from Day 1

[Abdaal 2]

Sikhs later turned against Islam so they have their own version of Guru Nanak.

The sikh version of Guru Nanak

had a successor, followed by 8 gurus

traveled 1000 km to show the Muslims that God is everywhere ironically you can't point your feet towards the Granth sahib to prove that either

introduced reincarnation to their religion

believe in cremation but didn't chose to offend the Muslims so he was raised up.

Never cut his hair although this was introduced by Guru Gobind Singh.

Argued with Bahlool about 7 skies being infinite although Hz Bahlool (ra) dates back to the time of Imam Jafar As Sadiq (as) time.

Had the Granth sahib with him in his travels. Yet his copy of the Quran is still preserved in the Ferozepore district in Punjab.

Found Sikhism yet his closest disciple Maradana remained Muslim.

[Abdaal 2]

Here is sample of Granth sahib. 80% of it is in agreement with Islam.

Messenger of Death

ijau Agin mrY jil pwieAY iqau iqRsnw dwsin dwis ] (22-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

ji-o agan marai jal paa-i-ai ti-o tarisnaa daasan daas.

Just as fire is extinguished by pouring on water, desire becomes the slave of the Lord's slaves.

jm jMdwru n lgeI ieau Baujlu qrY qrwis ]2] (22-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

jam jandaar na lag-ee i-o bha-ojal tarai taraas. ||2||

The Messenger of Death will not touch you; in this way, you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean, carrying others across with you. ||2||.

ijn hir hir hir rsu nwmu n pwieAw qy BwghIx jm pwis ] (10-6, gUjrI, mÚ 4)

jin har har har ras naam na paa-i-aa tay bhaagheen jam paas.

Those who have not obtained the Sublime Essence of the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, are most unfortunate; they are led away by the Messenger of Death.

Brmy BUlw duKu Gxo jmu mwir krY Kulhwnu ] (21-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

bharmay bhoolaa dukh ghano jam maar karai khulhaan.

God created the world (time).

vyl n pweIAw pMfqI ij hovY lyKu purwxu ] (4-17, jpu, mÚ 1)

vayl na paa-ee-aa pandtee je hovai laykh puraan.

The Pandits, the religious scholars, cannot find that time, even if it is written in the Puraanas.

vKqu n pwieE kwdIAw ij ilKin lyKu kurwxu ] (4-18, jpu, mÚ 1)

vakhat na paa-i-o kaadee-aa je likhan laykh kuraan.

That time is not known to the Qazis, who study the Koran.

iQiq vwru nw jogI jwxY ruiq mwhu nw koeI ] (4-18, jpu, mÚ 1)

thit vaar naa jogee jaanai rut maahu naa ko-ee.

The day and the date are not known to the Yogis, nor is the month or the season.

jw krqw isrTI kau swjy Awpy jwxY soeI ] (4-19, jpu, mÚ 1)

jaa kartaa sirthee ka-o saajay aapay jaanai so-ee.

The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows.

vfw swihbu vfI nweI kIqw jw kw hovY ] (5-1, jpu, mÚ 1)

vadaa saahib vadee naa-ee keetaa jaa kaa hovai.

Great is the Master, Great is His Name. Whatever happens is according to His Will.

Every Creature Praises Allah

Angels singh his hymss

gwvih icqu gupqu iliK jwxih iliK iliK Drmu vIcwry ] (6-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

gaavahi chit gupat likh jaaneh likh likh Dharam veechaaray.

Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who record actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who judges this record sing.gwvin rqn aupwey qyry ATsiT qIrQ nwly ] (6-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

gaavan ratan upaa-ay tayray athsath tirath naalay.

The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight holy places of pilgrimage sing.

gwvih joD mhwbl sUrw gwvih KwxI cwry ] (6-10, jpu, mÚ 1)

gaavahi joDh mahaabal sooraa gaavahi khaanee chaaray.

The brave and mighty warriors sing; the spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing.

gwvih KMf mMfl vrBMfw kir kir rKy Dwry ] (6-11, jpu, mÚ 1)

gaavahi khand mandal varbhandaa kar kar rakhay Dhaaray.

The planets, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing.

syeI quDuno gwvih jo quDu Bwvin rqy qyry Bgq rswly ] (6-11, jpu, mÚ 1)

say-ee tuDhuno gaavahi jo tuDh bhaavan ratay tayray bhagat rasaalay.

They alone sing, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with the Nectar of Your Essence.

hoir kyqy gwvin sy mY iciq n Awvin nwnku ikAw vIcwry ] (6-12, jpu, mÚ 1)

hor kaytay gaavan say mai chit na aavan naanak ki-aa veechaaray.

So many others sing, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I consider them all?

soeI soeI sdw scu swihbu swcw swcI nweI ] (6-13, jpu, mÚ 1)

so-ee so-ee sadaa sach saahib saachaa saachee naa-ee.

That True Lord is True, Forever True, and True is His Name

hY BI hosI jwie n jwsI rcnw ijin rcweI ] (6-13, jpu, mÚ 1)

hai bhee hosee jaa-ay na jaasee rachnaa jin rachaa-ee.

He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

gwvin quDno jqI sqI sMqoKI gwvin quDno vIr krwry ] (9-1, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno jatee satee santokhee gaavan tuDhno veer karaaray.

The celibates, the fanatics, and the peacefully accepting sing of You; the fearless warriors sing of You.

gwvin quDno pMifq pVin rKIsur jugu jugu vydw nwly ] (9-1, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno pandit parhan rakheesur jug jug vaydaa naalay.

The Pandits, the religious scholars who recite the Vedas, with the supreme sages of all the ages, sing of You.

gwvin quDno mohxIAw mnu mohin surgu mCu pieAwly ] (9-2, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno mohnee-aa man mohan surag machh pa-i-aalay.

The Mohinis, the enchanting heavenly beauties who entice hearts in paradise, in this world, and in the underworld of the subconscious, sing of You.

gwvin quDno rqn aupwey qyry ATsiT qIrQ nwly ] (9-2, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno ratan upaa-ay tayray athsath tirath naalay.

The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage, sing of You.

gwvin quDno joD mhwbl sUrw gwvin quDno KwxI cwry ] (9-3, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno joDh mahaabal sooraa gaavan tuDhno khaanee chaaray.

The brave and mighty warriors sing of You. The spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing of You.

gwvin quDno KMf mMfl bRhmMfw kir kir rKy qyry Dwry ] (9-4, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gaavan tuDhno khand mandal barahmandaa kar kar rakhay tayray Dhaaray.

The worlds, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing of You.

syeI quDno gwvin jo quDu Bwvin rqy qyry Bgq rswly ] (9-4, Awsw, mÚ 1)

say-ee tuDhno gaavan jo tuDh bhaavan ratay tayray bhagat rasaalay.

They alone sing of You, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with Your Sublime Essence.

hoir kyqy quDno gwvin sy mY iciq n Awvin nwnku ikAw bIcwry ] (9-5, Awsw, mÚ 1)

hor kaytay tuDhno gaavan say mai chit na aavan naanak ki-aa beechaaray.

So many others sing of You, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I think of them all?

Who is God

ieku sMswrI ieku BMfwrI ieku lwey dIbwxu ] (7-2, jpu, mÚ 1)

ik sansaaree ik bhandaaree ik laa-ay deebaan.

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

soeI soeI sdw scu swihbu swcw swcI nweI ] (9-5, Awsw, mÚ 1)

so-ee so-ee sadaa sach saahib saachaa saachee naa-ee.

That True Lord is True, forever True, and True is His Name.

hY BI hosI jwie n jwsI rcnw ijin rcweI ] (9-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

hai bhee hosee jaa-ay na jaasee rachnaa jin rachaa-ee.

He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

rMgI rMgI BwqI kir kir ijnsI mwieAw ijin aupweI ] (9-6, Awsw, mÚ 1)

rangee rangee bhaatee kar kar jinsee maa-i-aa jin upaa-ee.

He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

kir kir dyKY kIqw Awpxw ijau iqs dI vifAweI ] (9-7, Awsw, mÚ 1)

kar kar daykhai keetaa aapnaa ji-o tis dee vadi-aa-ee.

Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

jo iqsu BwvY soeI krsI iPir hukmu n krxw jweI ] (9-7, Awsw, mÚ 1)

jo tis bhaavai so-ee karsee fir hukam na karnaa jaa-ee.

He does whatever He pleases. No one can issue any order to Him.

so pwiqswhu swhw piqswihbu nwnk rhxu rjweI ]1] (9-8, Awsw, mÚ 1)

so paatisaahu saahaa patisaahib naanak rahan rajaa-ee. ||1||

He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||1||

pIr pYkwmr swlk swdk suhdy Aauru shId ] (53-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

peer paikaamar saalak saadak suhday a-or saheed.

The Pirs, the Prophets, the spiritual teachers, the faithful, the innocents and the martyrs,

syK mswiek kwjI mulw dir drvys rsId ] (53-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

saykh masaa-ik kaajee mulaa dar darvays raseed.

the Shaikhs, the mystics, the Qazis, the Mullahs and the Dervishes at His Door

brkiq iqn kau AglI pVdy rhin drUd ]3] (53-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

barkat tin ka-o aglee parh-day rahan darood. ||3||

-they are blessed all the more as they continue reading their prayers in praise to Him. ||3||

Malik Al Mouth angel at death time.

They wander lost and confused, deceived by doubt, suffering in terrible pain. The Messenger of Death shall beat them to a pulp.

haumY krm kmwvdy jmfMfu lgY iqn Awie ] (65-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)

ha-umai karam kamaavday jamdand lagai tin aa-ay.

Those who go around acting in egotism are struck down by the Messenger of Death with his club.

Gir mhil sic smweIAY jmkwlu n skY Kwie ]2] (67-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)

ghar mahal sach samaa-ee-ai jamkaal na sakai khaa-ay. ||2||

In the mansion of the home within the self, we merge in Truth, and the Messenger of Death cannot devour us. ||2||

Allah is Self Suffiecent

puiC n swjy puiC n Fwhy puiC n dyvY lyie ] (53-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

puchh na saajay puchh na dhaahay puchh na dayvai lay-ay.

He seeks no advice when He builds; He seeks no advice when He destroys. He seeks no advice while giving or taking.

Remember our Death

AwKw jIvw ivsrY mir jwau ] (9-15, Awsw, mÚ 1)

aakhaa jeevaa visrai mar jaa-o.

Chanting it, I live; forgetting it, I die.

KMQw kwlu kuAwrI kwieAw jugiq fMfw prqIiq ] (6-16, jpu, mÚ 1)

khinthaa kaal ku-aaree kaa-i-aa jugat dandaa parteet.

Let the remembrance of death be the patched coat you wear, let the purity of virginity be your way in the world, and let faith in the Lord be your walking stick.

sIcwny ijau pMKIAw jwlI biDk hwiQ ] (55-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

seechaanay ji-o pankhee-aa jaalee baDhik haath.

Think of the hawk preying on the birds, and the net in the hands of the hunter.

guir rwKy sy aubry hoir PwQy cogY swiQ ] (55-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

gur raakhay say ubray hor faathay chogai saath.

Those who are protected by the Guru are saved; the others are caught by the bait.

jo AwieAw so clsI Amru su guru krqwru ] (63-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

jo aa-i-aa so chalsee amar so gur kartaar.

Whoever comes must also go. Only the Guru and the Creator are Eternal.

hsqI GoVy pwKry lskr lK Apwr ] (63-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

hastee ghorhay paakhray laskar lakh apaar.

elephants, saddled horses, hundreds of thousands of uncounted armies

iks hI nwil n cilAw Kip Kip muey Aswr ]3] (63-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

kis hee naal na chali-aa khap khap mu-ay asaar. ||3||

-none of these will go along with anyone in the end, and yet, the fools bother themselves to exhaustion with these, and then die. ||3||

Allah is the Creator of the world

ieku sMswrI ieku BMfwrI ieku lwey dIbwxu ] (7-2, jpu, mÚ 1)

ik sansaaree ik bhandaaree ik laa-ay deebaan.

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

ijv iqsu BwvY iqvY clwvY ijv hovY Purmwxu ] (7-2, jpu, mÚ 1)

jiv tis bhaavai tivai chalaavai jiv hovai furmaan.

He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.

Ehu vyKY Enw ndir n AwvY bhuqw eyhu ivfwxu ] (7-3, jpu, mÚ 1)

oh vaykhai onaa nadar na aavai bahutaa ayhu vidaan.

He watches over all, but none see Him. How wonderful this is

lKu lKu gyVw AwKIAih eyku nwmu jgdIs ] (7-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

lakh lakh gayrhaa aakhee-ahi ayk naam jagdees.

I would repeat, hundreds of thousands of times, the Name of the One, the Lord of the Universe.

bwbw Alhu Agm Apwru ] (53-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

baabaa alhu agam apaar.

O Baba, the Lord Allah is Inaccessible and Infinite.

Alwhu AlKu AgMmu kwdru krxhwru krImu ] (64-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

alaahu alakh agamm kaadar karanhaar kareem.

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.

sB dunI Awvx jwvxI mukwmu eyku rhImu ]6] (64-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

sabh dunee aavan jaavnee mukaam ayk raheem. ||6||

All the world comes and goes-only the Merciful Lord is permanent. ||6||

Everything is according to Allah's will

kir kir vyKY ndir inhwl ] (8-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

kar kar vaykhai nadar nihaal.

Having created the creation, He watches over it. By His Glance of Grace, He bestows happiness.

iqQY KMf mMfl vrBMf ] (8-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

tithai khand mandal varbhand.

There are planets, solar systems and galaxies.

jy ko kQY q AMq n AMq ] (8-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

jay ko kathai ta ant na ant.

If one speaks of them, there is no limit, no end.

The world will be destroyed one Day

quDu Awpy BwvY soeI vrqY jI qUM Awpy krih su hoeI ] (11-12, Awsw, mÚ 4)

tuDh aapay bhaavai so-ee vartai jee tooN aapay karahi so ho-ee.

Everything happens according to Your Will. You Yourself accomplish all that occurs.

quDu Awpy isRsit sB aupweI jI quDu Awpy isrij sB goeI ] (11-13, Awsw, mÚ 4)

tuDh aapay sarisat sabh upaa-ee jee tuDh aapay siraj sabh go-ee.

You Yourself created the entire universe, and having fashioned it, You Yourself shall destroy it all.

Requirement to be saved

iehu sMswru ibkwru sMsy mih qirE bRhm igAwnI ] (13-16, gauVI pUrbI, mÚ 5)

ih sansaar bikaar sansay meh tari-o barahm gi-aanee.

This world is engrossed in corruption and cynicism. Only those who know God are saved

Everything else is false except what pleases You

hoir glW siB kUVIAw quDu BwvY prvwxu ]4]5] (16-4, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

hor galaaN sabh koorhee-aa tuDh bhaavai parvaan. ||4||5||

Everything else is false. Whatever pleases Your Will is acceptable. ||4||5||

Fear Allah

nwnk nwim ivswirAY dir gieAw ikAw hoie ]4]8] (17-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

naanak naam visaari-ai dar ga-i-aa ki-aa ho-ay. ||4||8||

O Nanak, those who forget the Naam-what will happen when they go to the Court of the Lord? ||4||8||

BY ibnu inrBau ikau QIAY gurmuiK sbid smwie ]1] rhwau ] (18-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

bhai bin nirbha-o ki-o thee-ai gurmukh sabad samaa-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.

Without the Fear of God, how can anyone become fearless? Become Gurmukh, and immerse yourself in the Shabad. ||1||Pause||

mrxw mulw mrxw ] (24-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

marnaa mulaa marnaa.

Death, O Mullah-death will come,

BI krqwrhu frxw ]1] rhwau ] (24-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

bhee kartaarahu darnaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.

so live in the Fear of God the Creator. ||1||Pause||

Kojq Kojq pwieAw fru kir imlY imlwie ] (57-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

khojat khojat paa-i-aa dar kar milai milaa-ay.

I searched and searched, and found God. In the Fear of God, I have been united in His Union.

iqQY loA loA Awkwr ] (8-6, jpu, mÚ 1)

tithai lo-a lo-a aakaar.

There are worlds upon worlds of His Creation.

ijv ijv hukmu iqvY iqv kwr ] (8-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

jiv jiv hukam tivai tiv kaar.

As He commands, so they exist.

vyKY ivgsY kir vIcwru ] (8-7, jpu, mÚ 1)

vaykhai vigsai kar veechaar.

He watches over all, and contemplating the creation, He rejoices.

Unbelievers have a disease

AYQY DMDu iptweIAY scu ilKqu prvwnu ] (21-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

aithai DhanDh pitaa-ee-ai sach likhat parvaan.

In this world, people are engrossed in false pursuits, but in the world hereafter, only the account of your true actions is accepted.

Forgetting the lord is desease

ieku iqlu ipAwrw vIsrY rogu vfw mn mwih ] (21-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

ik til pi-aaraa veesrai rog vadaa man maahi.

Forgetting the Beloved, even for a moment, the mind is afflicted with terrible diseases

Day of Judgement

ipq suqo sgl kwlqR mwqw qyry hoih n AMiq sKwieAw ] rhwau ] (23-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

pit suto sagal kaaltar maataa tayray hohi na ant sakhaa-i-aa. rahaa-o.

Father, children, spouse, mother and all relatives-they shall not be your helpers in the end. ||Pause||

ibKY ibkwr dust ikrKw kry ien qij AwqmY hoie iDAweI ] (23-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)

bikhai bikaar dusat kirkhaa karay in taj aatmai ho-ay Dhi-aa-ee.

So weed out evil, wickedness and corruption; leave these behind, and let your soul meditate on God.

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

You raised interesting point that Sikhs consider God to be everywhere so this is why Nanak put his feet toward Kaaba. There are several problem with this, first of all we Muslims don't believe Allah is inside the Kaaba, this is a misconception of Sikhs. The Kaaba is a holy shrine the first place of worship dedicated to Allah. It is disrespectful to place your feet in direction of Kaaba not because Allah is inside it, but because it is a holy place dedicated to the worship of Allah.

Also, you may know that Sikhs worship their book known as Granth. Sikhs do sajda to their book, sajda is an act of worship which is only dedicated for Allah Ta'ala. Sikhs do not even let others to touch their book, let alone place their feet in its direction. So Sikhs are the biggest hypocrites. They are also dirty people who do not even cut a single hair from their body, including their pubic hair, whereas in Islam you must remove your pubic hair it is part of taharat, which Sikhs have no understanding of, and why they smell very bad.

[zainab_ 2]

Indeed, Allah forbade us from insulting the idols of the disbelievers so that this would not lead to the idol worshippers insulting Allah. Allah Says: {And do not insult those who invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge.}[Quran 6:108].

Also in the Holy Quran Allah Says: {Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and kindly exhortation. Reason

with them in the most courteous manner. Your Lord knows best those who stray from His path and those who are rightly guided.}[Quran 16:25]

If you see a people who do not have the light of truth I ask you to follow the teachings of the Holy Quran which you claim to follow, and do not insult others but when you come upon them on the path of life to share with them the truth, lest you find your self on the Dayof Judgement the one who is lost, with no hope.

You come here claiming to be muslim, yet, I have not seen one word from you that a true follower of our Holy Prophet (pbuh) would speak to another, not one action that He (pbuh) would do in the cause of Islam, I ask you to be careful, and follow the words of the Quran, lest you find yourself on the Day of Judgement the one who is lost, and with no hope. May Allah guide you to all truth.

[mushmuslim 1]

Ghulam Nabi you may not agree with sikhism but please refrain from desrespting them by saying things such as "they smell very bad" - in the eyes of Islam this is very bad aklakha

Salaams

[The Khan 1]

They are also dirty people who do not even cut a single hair from their body, including their pubic hair, whereas in Islam you must remove your pubic hair it is part of taharat, which Sikhs have no understanding of, and why they smell very bad.

O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors. (49:11)

Also, there is no compulsion in those hadith regarding fitrah, I doubt you have read them, here's one from Bukhari:

Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 72 :: Hadith 779

Narrated Abu Huraira :

I heard the Prophet saying. "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits."

Of course, this is what the Qur'an has to say:

“And We have sent down to you the book with truth, authenticating what is present of the book and superceding it. So judge between them by what GOD Has sent down and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth…” (5:48)

Also see (6:114, 6:19, 7:52, 16:89, 5:48, 4:105).

In-fact, when GOD speaks of His creation, He speaks of it as being ‘perfected’:

"He is the One who PERFECTED everything He created, and started the creation of the human from clay." (32/7)

Peace.

[Abdaal 2]

They are also dirty people who do not even cut a single hair from their body, including their pubic hair, whereas in Islam you must remove your pubic hair it is part of taharat, which Sikhs have no understanding of, and why they smell very bad.

As far i know cleanliness is part of the Sikh faith. If anyone who doesn't take showers he/she will smell bad. Therefore, it not Sikhism that teaches you to smell bad, its just people who don't take showers.

[Cypress 13]

As far i know cleanliness is part of the Sikh faith. If anyone who doesn't take showers he/she will smell bad. Therefore, it not Sikhism that teaches you to smell bad, its just people who don't take showers.

I must say I know a few Sikhs, and they were fastidiously clean. Cleanliness is a key Sikh concept as it is in Islam; a comb (kanga) is worn in the turban as one of the 5 Ks to remind the Sikh of this crucial concept (the five Ks represent monotheism, cleanliness, bravery, modesty and - as mentioned above - that God created humanity as he intended and so hair is left uncut). The hair and beard are to be carefully tended and bathing is obligatory... they're not dirty hippies!

[oldnews 2]

With respect, although it's unhelpful to try to tell Sikhs that they are unclean or smelly, the practice of keeping uncut hair in the groin and underarm regions is inherently unhygienic as it creates a breeding ground for various organisms and, hence, disease.

With regard to the religion Sikhism, this is not a monotheistic religion (their 'gurus' are worshipped, literally, and they consider them to be God or gods), and the holy books of Sikh criticise the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). They aver that the Prophet failed in his mission to bring religion to humanity, so God had to send the Sikh 'gurus'.

[Qa'im 10,808]

(salam)

Although I do agree cleanliness is a large part of Sikhism, as Cypress had touched on regarding the five Ks, the brother in the post above me raises a good point - keeping hair unshaven and uncut is not the most effective way to be clean. On the contrary it causes one to sweat a lot more, and hygienically speaking, long (and usually thick) hair is very difficult to keep clean.

Sikhism as a religion shares many qualities with Islam, and many would argue that Baba Guru Nanak was not really the starter of Sikhism, but rather a reformer or reviver of monotheism. Many have gone so far as to say that he may as well have been a Muslim: considering he had preformed Hajj, this means he must have been a Muslim to even enter Mecca, and then to preform the Muslim prayers and rituals. It is arguably the later Gurus that had implemented the traditions in what we now know as Sikhism.

With regard to the religion Sikhism, this is not a monotheistic religion (their 'gurus' are worshipped, literally, and they consider them to be God or gods), and the holy books of Sikh criticise the Prophet Mohammad pbuh.gif. They aver that the Prophet failed in his mission to bring religion to humanity, so God had to send the Sikh 'gurus'.

Are you sure they even accept the Prophethood of Muhammed (pbuh)? They do not accept any of the Qur'an and Sunnah, and they even declare halal meats to be forbidden in their religion.

[baqar 1,283]

Many have gone so far as to say that he may as well have been a Muslim: considering he had preformed Hajj, this means he must have been a Muslim to even enter Mecca, and then to preform the Muslim prayers and rituals.

In those days, the rules to enter Mecca may not have been the same as they are today. In fact, I am pretty sure they were not.

Are you sure they even accept the Prophethood of Muhammed ?

Many respect him. But official recognition of our Holy Prophet is not relevant to their religion.

[Bahadur Ali 10]

Baqar do you want me to write a refutation of the Sikh heresy in a separate thread? It seems to me that you have many illusions regarding Sikhism. I think there are many things you are not aware of. Maybe you and others need to have your eyes opened.

[baqar 1,283]

Br Bahadur Ali (salam)

May be we are misinformed. It may be a good idea if you give us some details in a separate thread.

Thanks

[Bahadur Ali 10]

Ok . Please make me a list of the issues you want me to discuss so we can start. :)

[Qa'im 10,808]

(salam)

In those days, the rules to enter Mecca may not have been the same as they are today. In fact, I am pretty sure they were not.

I was under the impression that Mecca became a "Muslim-only" city at the time of the first Caliphs. I could be wrong, but this is what I've learned.

[Bahadur Ali 10]

Make me a list of issues and questions you have and I shall discuss them all in a separate thread.

[oldnews 2]

Are you sure they even accept the Prophethood of Muhammed (pbuh)? They do not accept any of the Qur'an and Sunnah, and they even declare halal meats to be forbidden in their religion.

Salam

You're absolutely right. They do not accept any of the Prophets, and their religion seems contrived to set itself up in opposition to Islam. They expressly forbid Islamic practices such as circumcision, the eating of 'halal' meat (i.e. they say what it permitted is forbidden) and the social and cultural practices of Muslim such as hukkah. As you say, they don't accept ANY of the Qur'an or the Sunnah. In my view the Sikh 'religion' is nothing but pure anti-Islam wearing Indian clothes. The whole raison d'etre of Sikhism seems to be enmity to Islam and the truth of Allah as transmitted by the final Prophet and expounded by his Ahl al-Bayt.

[baqar 1,283]

Make me a list of issues and questions you have and I shall discuss them all in a separate thread.

1. How Sikhism was formed ?

2. Muslim - Sikh relations in India ?

3. Common teachings ?

4. Why is Sikhism considered hostile to Islam ? In my personal experience, I found Sikhs very much impressed by our Imams, in particular Imam Ali and Imam Hussain.

5. Even today, some Sikhs show great respect for our Imams.

6. Even today, there are poets among Hindus and Sikhs writing poetry on Imam Ali and Imam Hussain.

7. My own conclusion is that Sikhs are not intrinsically hostile to Islam or o Muslims.

Regards

baqar

[.InshAllah. 1,528]

8. What are your thoughts on Guru Nanak?

9. Are there any other important sikh personalities?

10. I cant remember whether you were a sikh or a hindu before you reverted, but if it was the former, what was it about sikhism that made you dedicated to it for so long?

[Qa'im 10,808]

11. What do Sikhs think of the prophets, more specifically, Musa (Moses) (as), Iesa (Jesus) (as), and Muhammed (pbuh)?

[inuit 9]

You raised interesting point that Sikhs consider God to be everywhere so this is why Nanak put his feet toward Kaaba. There are several problem with this, first of all we Muslims don't believe Allah is inside the Kaaba, this is a misconception of Sikhs. The Kaaba is a holy shrine the first place of worship dedicated to Allah. It is disrespectful to place your feet in direction of Kaaba not because Allah is inside it, but because it is a holy place dedicated to the worship of Allah.

Also, you may know that Sikhs worship their book known as Granth. Sikhs do sajda to their book, sajda is an act of worship which is only dedicated for Allah Ta'ala. Sikhs do not even let others to touch their book, let alone place their feet in its direction. So Sikhs are the biggest hypocrites. They are also dirty people who do not even cut a single hair from their body, including their pubic hair, whereas in Islam you must remove your pubic hair it is part of taharat, which Sikhs have no understanding of, and why they smell very bad.

My comments on the above; though this is not the main issue. however;

Brother you have misconception about placing the feet towards kaaba. You think that placing feet towards kaaba is not a good act. If it is not a good act then why it is allow to put when the person is very sick and cant stand and sit or put his face sideways.

the following is the fatwa to understand the concept a better way.

"If he is unable to perform the prayer on his side, then he prays lying flat with his feet towards the Qiblah, and it is preferable that he raise his head a little to direct it toward the Qiblah. If he is unable to point his feet toward the Qiblah, then he may pray however he is and he does not have to repeat the prayer."

http://abdurrahman.org/tahara/taharasick.html

Culturally we do think that placing our feet towards kaaba is not a good act. but actually the concept is opposite to it.

and Prayer (salah) is n aact which best discribes the actions of Humanbeing.

Edited January 3, 2009 by inuit

[YahyaX 1]

1 Sihkism is interesting.

2 Contrasting Shism with Sihkism seems disrespectful.

3 Contrasting Shism with Sihkism seems very lulz.

4 Calling Sihks dirty seems very disrepectful.

5 Calling Sihks dirty seems very lulz.

Sir enshallah, you need to sit down and think about and balance your desire for lulz and your desire to be a good respectable Muslim.

[Rafidi2020 1]

What are some of the similarities between Sikhism and Shiaism. Recently, a Shia shrine was allowed in east Punjab, and Shias built a Sikh shrine in southern Iraq to return the favor. So what exactly is the connection between Sikhism and Shiaism. Both religions are very similar. In fact, apart from different names and different language, they are virtually identical in philosophy.

Shias revere 12 imams, and Sikhs revere 10 gurus. Both regard their set of imams and gurus as infallible guides. Shias mourn the martyrdom of the third Imam Hussain, while Sikhs mourn the martyrdom of their fifth guru Arjun Dev. And of course both religions have a strong attachment to religious art and imagery. What are some other similarities?

Salaam brother,no sikhism and shiism do not have much in common,they do not mourn the death of Guru Arjun Dev,nor do they consider there Guru's to be infallible of any sort,infact sikhism does not even have a concept of 3sma,as for the art an imagery,Due to the fact that Sikhs are in India and in India they like to connect themselves more with the Hindue majority rather then the muslims,the sikhs emphasis Highly on Pictures,to the point of worship(Wich is suppose to be forbidden in sikhism,but nevertheless practiced)..........and no shiism does not emphasis on pictures due to the Maraja's opinions about pictures, I USE TO BE SIKH,and to tell u the truth when i was sunni i use to think that sikhism and shiism had much in common,after becoming Shia and understanding Shi'ite conception and after being in a year of Hawza and comparing it to sikhism,they actually had NOTHING IN COMMON,in fact sikhism has much in common with sunni sufism rather then shiism.Though i do not know but to a Sikh turned muslim it would seem quite likely to think that Guru Nanak might have been muslim and either this was forgotten through the fold of time or he never openly announced it but....Allah Hu 3aalim right,and theirs not much of a point of delving on it :D:D

[Ghulam Nabi 0]

Salaam brother,no sikhism and shiism do not have much in common,they do not mourn the death of Guru Arjun Dev,nor do they consider there Guru's to be infallible of any sort,infact sikhism does not even have a concept of 3sma,as for the art an imagery,Due to the fact that Sikhs are in India and in India they like to connect themselves more with the Hindue majority rather then the muslims,the sikhs emphasis Highly on Pictures,to the point of worship(Wich is suppose to be forbidden in sikhism,but nevertheless practiced)..........and no shiism does not emphasis on pictures due to the Maraja's opinions about pictures, I USE TO BE SIKH,and to tell u the truth when i was sunni i use to think that sikhism and shiism had much in common,after becoming Shia and understanding Shi'ite conception and after being in a year of Hawza and comparing it to sikhism,they actually had NOTHING IN COMMON,in fact sikhism has much in common with sunni sufism rather then shiism.Though i do not know but to a Sikh turned muslim it would seem quite likely to think that Guru Nanak might have been muslim and either this was forgotten through the fold of time or he never openly announced it but....Allah Hu 3aalim right,and theirs not much of a point of delving on it :D:D

I highly doubt you were ever a Sunni Muslim. You were raised as a Sikh, thus when you converted to "Islam" you converted to a version of Islam which is very close to your religion. Actually, to tell you the cold truth, you never converted to Islam, you just converted from one type of kufr to another.

Sikhism has nothing to do with Sufism. In fact, do you know it was Mujaddid Alf Thani, Ahmad Sirhindi ÑÍãÉ Çááå Úáíå the founder of the Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi Sufi silsila and a great wali, regarded as the reformer of the second millenium, who encouraged the Mughal king to execute the Sikh guru, and to deal harshly with the Sikhs, who at that time were openly rebelling against the Mughal government.

Just compare Shiaism to Sikhism, its basically the same thing when it comes down to it. Since you were a Sikh you probably know that Sikhism is not based on just the teachings of Nanak. The other 9 gurus are "co-founders" of the Sikh religion, because the Sikh religion kept on evolving until the last living guru, when the religion was completed.

In the same way, Shiaism does not regard Prophet Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã as the sole authority for Islam. Shias regard their 12 imams as "co-founders" of Islam. Just go read the main Shia book "Usool-e-Kafi". They say this is a book of hadeeth, I wander than why are most of the "hadeeth" in this book sayings of their imams, and why are there so few saying of Rasoolullah Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã in that book?

Its quite obvious. Despite Shia claims to be Muslims, they obviously have more attachment to their 12 Imams than to the Prophet himself. Most of their hadeeth are sayings of the 12 Imams, very few sayings from Prophet himself are mentioned in their books. Look how much a big deal they make out of the martyrdom of Imam Hussain, yet Shias believe that Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã was killed by his wife (Maaz Allah), so why don't they mark the martyrdom of the Prophet with as much enthusiasm and passion as they mark the martyrdom of Hussain? Why dont they celebrate the birthday of Prophet with as much passion as on 10th of Ashura?

And just like Sikhism, Shiaism is a dead religion. Sikhism is only found in Punjab India, 99% of Sikhs are Punjabi. And Shiaism is basically just in Iran and Iraq, but you see all the people who are accepting Islam, white and black people, they are never becoming into Shia. Shia religion is dying out just like Sikh religion. The true religion will never die out, it will continue to spread to the four corners of the Earth like prophecised in Qur'an Majeed.

[Ali Huzaifa 191]

I highly doubt you were ever a Sunni Muslim. You were raised as a Sikh, thus when you converted to "Islam" you converted to a version of Islam which is very close to your religion. Actually, to tell you the cold truth, you never converted to Islam, you just converted from one type of kufr to another.

Sikhism has nothing to do with Sufism. In fact, do you know it was Mujaddid Alf Thani, Ahmad Sirhindi ÑÍãÉ Çááå Úáíå the founder of the Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi Sufi silsila and a great wali, regarded as the reformer of the second millenium, who encouraged the Mughal king to execute the Sikh guru, and to deal harshly with the Sikhs, who at that time were openly rebelling against the Mughal government.

Just compare Shiaism to Sikhism, its basically the same thing when it comes down to it. Since you were a Sikh you probably know that Sikhism is not based on just the teachings of Nanak. The other 9 gurus are "co-founders" of the Sikh religion, because the Sikh religion kept on evolving until the last living guru, when the religion was completed.

In the same way, Shiaism does not regard Prophet Muhammad Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã as the sole authority for Islam. Shias regard their 12 imams as "co-founders" of Islam. Just go read the main Shia book "Usool-e-Kafi". They say this is a book of hadeeth, I wander than why are most of the "hadeeth" in this book sayings of their imams, and why are there so few saying of Rasoolullah Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã in that book?

Its quite obvious. Despite Shia claims to be Muslims, they obviously have more attachment to their 12 Imams than to the Prophet himself. Most of their hadeeth are sayings of the 12 Imams, very few sayings from Prophet himself are mentioned in their books. Look how much a big deal they make out of the martyrdom of Imam Hussain, yet Shias believe that Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå Óáã was killed by his wife (Maaz Allah), so why don't they mark the martyrdom of the Prophet with as much enthusiasm and passion as they mark the martyrdom of Hussain? Why dont they celebrate the birthday of Prophet with as much passion as on 10th of Ashura?

And just like Sikhism, Shiaism is a dead religion. Sikhism is only found in Punjab India, 99% of Sikhs are Punjabi. And Shiaism is basically just in Iran and Iraq, but you see all the people who are accepting Islam, white and black people, they are never becoming into Shia. Shia religion is dying out just like Sikh religion. The true religion will never die out, it will continue to spread to the four corners of the Earth like prophecised in Qur'an Majeed.

silly man ...why dont you update your knowledge and open your eyes befor u bark against Muslim?

[Kismet110 447]

^^^

Ghulam Nabi, please stop spouting absolute rubbish unless you're willing to provide references and some semblance of 'proof' (even if only it's 'sunni' proof) to back up your spillage.

And if you label yourself a sufi I'm sorry to break it to you but both mainstream shiah and sunni consider you innovators and outside the fold of Islam so don't be passing judgement so quickly on others you whirling dervish.

Lastly, your sig; what a joke! I've already asked you but I'll ask yet again; what sunni madhab are you referring to? There are at least 4 popular sunni madhabs derived from the 4 popular Imams of jurisprudence and countless other lesser ones - so which sunni madhab are you referring to?

Irony? Seeing as the vast majority of shiah are ithna-asheri (12ers) there are possibly more people of the Jafari madhab in the world than there are of any single sunni madhab so stop lying about numbers and geography before you end up embarassing yourself any further.

As was said by the late and great Maulana Najafi sahib (apologies for the Punjabi transliteration) "Bakri Umari noo cut da ai, Umari Ghani noo cut da ai, Ghani Yazidi noo cut da ai, Yazidi Qadiri noo cut da ai...."

Apologies for all to go off topic but this imbecile started it.

ALI