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I am starting this thread to clarify existing confusion out there regarding vaccination. I would strongly recommend to go over the information in the thread The Human Defense Force, Immune System to get some basics straight about immune system and how vaccination helps it! Also read the discussion in the threads Vaccines and Islam, halaal or haraam... and MMR Vaccine Kills a Baby, Are immunisations safe? to get some idea......

How Vaccines Work

­Medicine has come a long way over the years. The development of the vaccine kicked off an era of illness prevention unlike anything the world had ever seen. In fact, vaccinations are largely viewed as the most successful medical advancement in the history of public health. Before vaccines were introduced, smallpox killed millions, nearly 20,000 were paralyzed by polio, and rubella (German measles) caused serious birth defects in about 20,000 newborns.

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The Inspiration for Vaccines

Who knew that cows would save the lives of countless humans? In 1796, a physician named Edward Jenner decided to prove a theory that had been circulating for some time. Smallpox once killed millions of people worldwide. Cowpox was a less serious disease related to smallpox that milkmaids often caught through exposure to infected cows. Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had contracted cowpox were later immune to smallpox. Jenner tested this theory when he took some infected cowpox matter and exposed an otherwise healthy boy through a cut in his arm. After the boy caught and recovered from cowpox, Jenner exposed him to smallpox via an injection. The boy remained healthy, and the world's first vaccine was born. The cows, for their part, were honored when the term "vaccine" was coined -- "vacca" is Latin for cow. According to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) the world's last case of naturally occurring smallpox was in 1977. The disease has since been eliminated from natural occurrences in the world, so the vaccine is no longer given.

List of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases

Anthrax

Cervical Cancer (Human Papillomavirus)

Diphtheria

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)

Influenza (Flu)

Japanese encephalitis (JE)

Lyme disease (Lyme disease vaccine no longer available in the United States)

Measles

Meningococcal

Monkeypox (There is NO monkeypox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine is used for this disease)

Mumps

Pertussis

Pneumococcal

Polio

Rabies

Rotavirus

Rubella

Shingles (Herpes Zoster)

Smallpox

Tetanus

Typhoid

Tuberculosis (TB)

Varicella (Chickenpox)

Yellow Fever

Vaccine Basics

Jenner was operating on the now widely accepted principle that once a person catches a certain disease, he or she is immune to it for the rest of their life. For example, once you've had the chickenpox, it's extremely unlikely that you'll ever catch it again. This is because your body, when exposed again, will recognize the disease and fight it off. The beauty of vaccines is that they help the body develop disease-fighting abilities without making you sick. Vaccines accomplish this amazing feat by tricking the body into believing it already has the full-blown disease. Here are the steps in this process, known as the "immune response":

The vaccine is administered. It contains weakened or dead forms of the disease.

The immune system identifies these foreign substances (viruses and bacteria), also known as antigens.

Once antigens are identified, the immune system develops proteins that circulate in the blood. These proteins are called antibodies. They fight the infection by killing the antigens. Antibodies are made by white blood cells called lymphocytes, also known as B cells. The main purpose of B cells is to create antibodies to fight infection.

The body stockpiles these antibodies so they are available to fight off the disease if exposed later on. Unfortunately, antibodies are disease-specific, so previously acquired chickenpox antibodies will be useless if faced with other diseases.

It's very important to note that when the actual disease infects a person, the antigens multiply thousands and thousands of times until a raging infection is under way. The vaccine provides just enough of these antigens for the body to recognize them and complete the immune response process, therefore protecting them from exposure to the disease in the future.

Why Aren't Vaccines Available for All Diseases?

The procedure for developing a vaccine takes many years and even more money, often hundreds of millions of dollars. According to John Bradley, M.D., member of the committee on infectious diseases of the AAP, it's because of this that vaccines are prioritized in this order:

Vaccines that fight diseases that cause the most deaths and damage, like meningitis

Vaccines that prevent severe diseases like measles and influenza

Vaccines, like the one for rotavirus, that prevent significant suffering

Additionally, vaccines are studied and produced by companies, so the return on investment must be significant in order to justify the large expense. Vaccines are currently in development to prevent malaria. The malaria vaccine has been slighted in the past because the financial return was not worth the investment the industry had to make, according to Dr. Bradley. However, the Malaria Vaccine Initiative recently announced the beginning of Phase 1 trials of a new vaccine. The trial is currently underway in Brisbane, Australia.

Another reason that vaccines can be tricky to produce is that some viruses mutate so quickly that traditional vaccines are ineffective. A prime example is the HIV/AIDS virus. Despite these hurdles, there is currently a tremendous movement to develop a vaccine to fight HIV/AIDS.

Vaccine Types

Vaccines are usually given via a hypodermic injection, but some are given through the mouth or nose. There are two main groups of vaccines: live-attenuated vaccines and inactivated vaccines.

Live-attenuated vaccines: Live-attenuated basically means alive, but very weak. These vaccines are made when the virus is weakened to such a level that they reproduce only about 20 times in the body. By comparison, natural viruses reproduce thousands of times. When the vaccine is made, the virus or bacteria is weakened in a laboratory to the point where it's still alive and able to reproduce, but can't cause serious illness. Its presence is enough to cause the immune system to produce antibodies to fight off the particular disease in the future.

"Live-attenuated vaccines can cause very mild illness in a small proportion of people," says John Bradley, M.D., member of the committee on infectious diseases of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). "However, these side effects are usually very mild and limited to a low-grade fever or runny nose." Dr. Bradley also notes that about 5 to 10 percent of children who receive the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine develop a few pox spots, but it's nothing compared to the full-blown illness.

To weaken the virus, scientists must isolate it through a specimen from an infected person. They then grow the virus in a test tube. They "pass" the virus into a second test tube, then a third, a fourth and so on. Scientists perform this "passage" many times -- the measles virus was passed 77 times! The virus is periodically taken out of the test tube to see if it has mutated. Eventually, the virus gets so used to living in the comfortable test-tube environment that it loses its capacity to produce illness in humans. These passages are performed in a very controlled environment in exactly the same way each time. This discovery was considered the "hallelujah" of vaccine development, according to William Schaffner, M.D., professor and chair of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.

Examples of live-attenuated vaccines are MMR (measles, mumps and rubella combination vaccine), varicella and the intranasal form of influenza.

Inactivated vaccines: When inactivated vaccines are made, the bacteria is completely killed using a chemical, usually formaldehyde. Dead pieces of disease-causing microorganisms (usually bacteria) are put into the vaccine. Because the antigens are dead, the strength of these vaccines tend to wear off over time, resulting in less long-lasting immunity. So, multiple doses of inactivated vaccines are usually necessary to provide the best protection. The benefit of inactivated vaccines is that there is zero chance of developing any disease-related symptoms -- allergic reactions are possible but extremely rare.

Examples of inactivated vaccines are hepatitis A, hepatitis B, poliovirus, haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), meningococcal, pneumococcal and the injected form of influenza.

Why are some vaccines live and some dead?

"The bottom line is that the decision is entirely driven by the science," says Dr. Schaffner. "If scientists can make a killed vaccine that is effective, that is what they will do. It's all about trial and error." Most viral diseases, he says, require live-attenuated vaccines, but the vast majority of bacterial illnesses are prevented with inactivated vaccines. There are some exceptions to this rule, though. For example:

Some travelers to less-developed countries get the vaccine to prevent typhoid fever. There are live and killed forms of this vaccine.

Rabies is a viral infection that is 100 percent fatal once it has progressed. The disease is simply too dangerous to give, even in a weakened state. Fortunately, science allowed the development of an inactivated rabies vaccine.

Vaccine Components

Other than the antigen, a couple of things have to be included in the vaccine in order for it to be effective. The requirements vary depending on the specific vaccine, but the gist is the same.

The vaccine has to be stable because it leaves the manufacturing plant, gets bounced around on trucks and so forth. Sometimes small chemicals are added to act as stabilizers so that the vaccine material remains potent. These chemicals are thoroughly regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to ensure their safety and are usually present only in trace amounts.

In multidose vials, a disinfectant is required. This is so that each time a dose is removed, any foreign matter that intrudes is killed instantly. Traditionally, Thimerosol has been the most popular among scientists. However, the industry has largely abandoned its use because of concerns that the chemical causes adverse reactions (see sidebar about vaccine myths). In fact, multidose vials are being phased out in favor of single-dose vials, even though these are more expensive. Thimerosol is currently present only in trace amounts in the influenza vaccine, but that will be a thing of the past in a few years. "We would like to put the controversy behind us," says Dr. Schaffner. "None of us associated with vaccines believe there is merit to that belief, but we are going the extra hundred miles to reassure parents."

Vaccine Production Process

The process of creating, testing and producing a vaccine in mass quantities can take many years from start to finish because the industry is highly regulated. Before scientists even begin to formulate a vaccine, researchers have to study the particular virus or bacteria. Basically, they have to isolate it in a laboratory setting and figure out how it causes the disease. Then they develop the vaccine as either a live-attenuated or inactivated vaccine, depending on the type of virus or bacteria.

Once they have a good grip on that, researchers study the best ways to protect people from the disease using the vaccine they have developed. They figure out the best dosage amounts, whether or not one shot is good enough, or if more is necessary. They also estimate how long protection from the vaccine lasts to determine if booster shots will be necessary. Most of this early research is conducted in laboratories in an academic setting and is paid for by foundation or government grants.

Once the vaccine has been developed, the testing process is conducted over four phases and a period of many years. This testing is funded by pharmaceutical companies and can rack up hundreds of millions of dollars in bills.

The first studies usually test the vaccine on about a hundred healthy adults who are at low risk for complications. The researchers want to find out if the vaccine is safe and if it induces the immune response necessary to fight off disease. If this phase isn't successful, the vaccine is taken back to the drawing board or abandoned.

If Phase 1 is successful, the vaccine moves to the second phase of study, involving a few hundred people from the vaccine's intended group. For example, the chickenpox vaccine was probably tested on children at this phase because they are the target audience. The vaccine is tested on several hundred people to again ensure its safety. Researchers also want to verify that the vaccine causes the desired immune response consistently.

The third phase can take many years and studies anywhere from a thousand to tens of thousands of people in various lifestyles and geographic locations. Researchers want to make sure that the vaccine works on people of all types and in all environments. The FDA reviews all of the data and the study methodology. If everything is satisfactory, the FDA deems the vaccine safe, but then it must be approved by a board of vaccine experts who advise the CDC. The experts then distribute their recommendations about dosage, who should receive the vaccine, when they should receive it, etc.

Even after the vaccine has been distributed, it still requires many more years of study to make sure that no unforeseen side effects occur. The CDC monitors the vaccine and possible side effects very closely in four types of study:

Areas especially prone to the disease are closely monitored. All people who receive the vaccine are monitored closely. Results are reported to the CDC.

The CDC keeps an eye on any occurrence of the disease in the United States. If any strange pop-ups of the disease occur after the vaccine is introduced, it must find out if the vaccine and the pop-ups are related.

Health care professionals or consumers who believe that a serious side effect has occurred in a vaccine recipient can file a report via the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. This data is continuously monitored to identify trends.

The Vaccine Safety Datalink Project provides data on millions of people regarding their vaccination histories and medical outcomes (whether or not they had side effects). This is carefully monitored by the National Center for Health Statistics' Research Data Center to make sure that no major side effects or health risks are occurring.

Getting Vaccinated

Babies and young children have always been a major focus of the vaccine move­ment. However, public health experts want to make sure that adolescents, adults and the elderly stay up-to­-date on their immunizations.

"Vaccines are not just for babies anymore," says Angie Matthiessen, MSW, of Immunize Georgia and Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. "Many adolescent and adult vaccines are now in place, often to protect the very young and elderly."

Visit your doctor regularly to stay up-to-date on vaccinations. Many insurance plans cover the majority of vaccine-related charges because they're considered necessary preventative measures. Often, walk-in clinics provide vaccinations for a nominal fee.

Some physicians are able to give vaccines to children as part of the Vaccines for Children Program free or at very little cost.

Travel requirements are pretty limited. International Health Regulations mandates that the yellow fever vaccination is necessary for travel to certain countries in tropical South America and sub-Saharan Africa. The Saudi Arabian government requires that visitors receive the meningococcal vaccination if visiting during the Hajj. Other than that, the CDC recommends that all international travelers be up-to-date on regular vaccinations. Whether or not travelers need extra vaccines depends on factors such as the destination country, season and whether rural areas will be visited.

Infant Vaccinations-Vaccines are most effective at preventing disease when the recommended schedule is followed. Over the next three sections, we'll go over the schedules for infants, children and adults.

Infants receive the lion's share of vaccines. First, babies have very immature immune systems and are at greater risk of complications and death if exposed to disease. Second, experts believe that a strict vaccine schedule from birth on helps to ensure that these diseases don't pop back up and cause large-scale epidemics. It is recommended that babies from birth to 15 months receive the following vaccines.

HebB - Hepatitis B is transmitted through blood transfusions, direct contact with infected bodily fluids, sexual contact, body piercing and tattoos. According to the CDC, of the children who acquire lifelong hepatitis B, 25 percent die of liver disease in adulthood.

DTaP - Combination vaccine that prevents three diseases in one shot.

Diphtheria is spread through person-to-person contact. Diphtheria once took the lives of more than 15,000 children a year.

Tetanus (lockjaw) is transmitted via contact with infected soil to cuts and punctures in the skin. It causes muscle spasms, often of the jaw (hence the name lockjaw) and can cause major complications, including lung infections, heart damage and death. It's recommended every 10 years because it wears off over time and poses risk to people of all ages, causing death in 10 to 20 percent of cases.

Pertussis (whooping cough) is transmitted through coughing and sneezing fits. Pertussis is especially dangerous to the very young, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems, such as cancer patients. See sidebar for more information on the rising number of pertussis cases in the United States.

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) - Hib meningitis once caused terrible complications in survivors, including mental retardation, deafness and seizures. Roughly 600 children died annually from the disease.

IPV (inactivated poliovirus) - Spread through direct contact with fecal matter, this disease once caused 13,000 to 20,000 cases annually in the United States alone. Paralytic polio left many victims relegated to wheelchairs, crutches and leg braces.

PCV (Pneumococcus) - Causes complications such as meningitis, pneumonia, blood infection (sepsis) and brain damage, is spread through coughing and sneezing, and is especially dangerous to the elderly.

MMR (Measles, mumps and rubella) - Another combination vaccine. These three diseases are spread through coughing and sneezing.

Measles is highly infectious. The CDC estimates that 2.7 million people worldwide would die if vaccinations stopped. The trademark rash begins at the hairline and progresses downward.

Mumps causes swollen glands and cheeks and complications like deafness and brain damage.

Rubella (German measles) is often transmitted from pregnant women to their unborn fetuses. It caused many premature births, miscarriages and birth defects.

Varicella (chickenpox) - Chickenpox used to cause approximately 4 million cases, 11,000 hospitalizations and 100 deaths per year. Complications are worse for teens and adults, and include lung and brain damage and death. The trademark itchy rash usually covers the entire body.

Hepatitis A - Usually spread via contaminated food and water, often in situations with bad food preparation habits and in developing countries. It can cause very low energy for as long as a year and much worse in people with liver problems.

Rota (rotavirus) - A common disease that infects almost all children in the United States before school age. A very new oral vaccine is now available. The disease usually causes fever, nausea and diarrhea. In less developed countries it causes more than 500,000 deaths annually.

Influenza (the flu) - The disease, which is spread through coughing, sneezing and other direct contact, can cause complications like brain swelling, pneumonia and death in severe cases. The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 caused 550,000 deaths in the United States and 21 million deaths across the globe, according to the CDC (see sidebar for more information on the flu vaccine).

After all these vaccines, babies get a few years to rest before their next round of immunizations. Next we'll talk about childhood vaccinations.

Early childhood - From age 18 months to 6 years, children receive subsequent vaccinations of HepB, DTaP, IPV, MMR and varicella. This is to ensure maximum protection against the diseases.

Later childhood/adolescence - After age 6, children don't have too many shots to worry about until adolescence. Around age 11 they should get the Tdap vaccine to protect against tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis because the vaccine they received as an infant has worn off (see sidebar below for more info). The following are also recommended at age 11 or 12:

HPV (human papillomavirus) - This three-dose shot is one of the latest and greatest in the vaccine industry. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease that causes cervical and genital warts. HPV is usually symptom-free, so women become aware of the infection only when they have a positive Pap smear. Since the vaccine is very new it's also recommended for women up to age 26 who have not already received it.

MCV4 (meningococal) - The age for this vaccine has recently been moved up to 11. The disease occurs when the spinal fluid and fluid around the brain become infected. The symptoms of meningitis are high fever, headache and a very stiff neck. It can be viral or bacterial (bacterial is the most severe) and is sometimes contagious, depending on the bacteria. This is why middle- and high-school students, as well as college students living in dormitories, are recommended to get the shot.

Adult Vaccinations

­­Adult (18-65) - Adults should be revaccinated for any of the already-mentioned diseases if there's evidence of waning immunity. For example, when a woman becomes pregnant, her doctor usually runs tests to make sure that she's still immune to German measles. Also, not all adults have received every vaccine because they weren't available when they were children, or they were never immunized in the first place.

Elderly (over 65) - Adults over age 65 are at an increased risk of complications from disease, simply because their immune systems aren't what they used to be. Pertussis, pneumococcus and the flu pose extra threats to this age group. The elderly should make sure that their vaccinations are up-to-date because some may have worn off over time. The following is also recommended:

Zoster (shingles) - Adults over age 60 should get the vaccine for herpes zoster (shingles). This painful disease causes a blistery rash.

High-risk groups - These are children and adults who don't have the best immune systems. These are usually people with compromised immune systems from diseases such as cancer. The schedule for these patients is largely controlled by their particular specialist and should be maintained because the disease can be harsher on them than others.

Vaccine Myths

MYTH: Vaccines cause autism.

TRUTH: "Study after study has shown that there is no link between vaccines and autism," says Angie Matthiessen with Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. This myth gained popularity when children were diagnosed with autism around the time that they received the MMR vaccine (around 18 months of age), according to Joyce Allers, RN, also with Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. At the time, the mercury-containing preservative Thimerosol was being put in vaccines to keep bacteria from growing, so many people connected that to autism. However, there still appears to be no link between previous use of Thimerosol and autism. Thimerosol was completely removed from all infant vaccines in the United States in 2001, yet autism rates continue to increase. Thimerosol is currently present only in minute amounts in the influenza vaccine.

MYTH: Vaccines aren't necessary anymore because all the diseases are gone anyway.

TRUTH: According to the CDC, if we stopped vaccinating, many diseases that are largely unknown would come back with a vengeance. The only vaccine-preventable disease that's been completely wiped out is smallpox. "These diseases are coming into our country, into our schools and into our workplace," says Matthiessen. "Don't believe that your child is 100 percent protected because the disease isn't currently in the United States. International travel and adoption are two of the ways that dangerous diseases make their way into the country."

MYTH: Babies are too fragile to get so many shots.

TRUTH: "A lot of young parents are worried about giving their babies so many shots, thinking that they will overwhelm their immune system," says Allers. "I tell them that as human beings we are exposed to disease all the time, like at the mall and church, so we can't overwhelm their systems." According to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's Vaccine Education Center, diseases often occur in very young infants, so the best way to prevent them is to give vaccines as soon as possible after birth. "We have a wonderful history of eliminating disease, but what worries us is all the good progress we've made is going to be diminished by families choosing their own vaccination schedule or choosing not to vaccinate at all," Allers says.

MYTH: A live vaccine can give me the disease it's supposed to prevent.

TRUTH: As we've discussed, live vaccines can cause extremely mild symptoms. However, experts agree that they are very minor and much better than coming down with the full-blown disease.

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines

http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers

http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine

http://www.naturalnews.com/024872.html

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Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

I would suggest one more time to read aout how immune system works and where vaccines come into play........

I quote from the article: "Medical workers have long helped the body’s immune system prepare for future attacks through vaccination. Vaccines consist of killed or modified microbes, components of microbes, or microbial DNA that trick the body into thinking an infection has occurred. An immunized person’s immune system attacks the harmless vaccine and prepares for subsequent invasions. Vaccines remain one of the best ways to prevent infectious diseases and have an excellent safety record. Previously devastating diseases such as smallpox, polio, and whooping cough have been greatly controlled or eliminated through worldwide vaccination programs."

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

Wow :wacko: May I ask the who are these aliens and their planet they came from to screw us human beings :huh: Brother, I don't need a certificate from you to be called a Dr! FYI, I don't write E-prescription nor I ask people to get themselves poked or take any medication, in fact I always mention to check with the physicians for the most suitable advice....... I share what I have studied and support my views from the most reliable sources such as Center for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and so on.....

And for my qualifications, READ CAREFULLY.

I am very well aware of these claims and if you have read the article I posted in another vaccine thread! I 'hope' you are aware of the most strict guidelines followed in US regarding human health (or at least attempted) and allowing killers compounds in the name of drug would be allowed for so long??????? Neither I or any report ever ruled out the possibilities of possible complication and if they happen, they are thoroughly investigated and their use is halted! I would request you to go and See for your self the guidelines for drug discovery and approval at US Food and Drug Administration.

Understanding Vaccine Safety: Immunization Remains Our Best Defense Against Deadly Disease

How FDA Works to Ensure Vaccine Safety.

Vaccine Product Approval Process.

Vaccine Adverse Event Report System (VAERS).

Now may I ask your qualifications Dr straight Path :!!!: just to know what you are saying is also making sense to you and actually you are not the victim of media garbage propaganda????!!!! :o

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine http://www.naturalnews.com/024872.html

^^^^ Mostly Propaganda!

Read the article Vaccine safety-vaccine benefits:science and the public's perception Nature Reviews Immunology 1, 160 - 165 (01 Nov 2001). I quote from their: " Whether real, alleged but unproven, or incorrect, a perceived risk of a vaccine might outweigh concerns about the disease it is designed to prevent. Perceptions, be they true or false, drive behaviour.Although this might seem to be scientifically irrational behaviour, several truths contribute to such decisions: the safety of biological products is not absolute; rare adverse effects of vaccines might not be apparent in pre-licensing studies; public (and scientific) concerns about adverse effects have contributed to the development of safer vaccines; and if you or someone dear to you is affected, it matters little to you that the adverse event is rare."

Vaccine development strategies for improving immunization: the role of modern immunology Nature Immunology 5, 460 - 464 (01 May 2004).

The process development challenge for a new vaccine Nature Medicine 11, S16 - S19 (01 Apr 2005).

When a vaccine is safe Nature 439, (01 Feb 2006).

Check this one *Ahem* Misleading media reporting? The MMR story Nature Reviews Immunology 3, 913 - 918 (01 Nov 2003).

"Much is known about the risks of catching measles,mumps and rubella (14). Measles is highly contagious; in developing countries, it accounts for 10% of global mortality for children under the age of five (15). The World Health Organization estimated that in 2000, 777,000 people died from measles (16). In the United States, before vaccines were introduced,more than 90% of the public were infected with measles by the age of 15 (17). Before the mumps vaccination was introduced in 1988,mumps was the most common cause of viral meningitis (14). Rubella’s main threat is to the unborn child (14).

The MMR vaccine was introduced in the United Kingdom in 1988. In 1996, a second booster against measles was introduced after research showed that it reduced outbreaks, boosted waning immunity and increased the total level of immunity in the vaccinated population (18). The first dose is given at 12 months of age and the second at 4–6 years, and it is provided free of charge by the National Health Service. Single vaccines are available from private health care clinics at the cost of hundreds of pounds.

In 1998, Andrew Wakefield described a possible link between autism, bowel disease and the MMR vaccine (1) ,which has since been refuted by a substantial body of research.Peltola et al. (19) examined records over a 14-year period and found that only 31 children developed gastrointestinal symptoms after approximately three million vaccinations. Another large epidemiological study looked at the cases of more than 580,000 children, 82% of whom had received the MMR vaccine. The authors found that the risks of autism and autistic-spectrum disorders were similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated children (20). Brent Taylor of the Royal Free Hospital and Elizabeth Miller of the Public Health Laboratory Service have authored several papers challenging Wakefield’s allegations, looking specifically at Wakefield’s hypothesis and rejecting it (21,22). Anna Donald and Vivek Mutha have reviewed the research concerning the allegations against the MMR vaccine (23) (see Further information website, MMR The Facts, for a full list of reviews).

Wakefield’s assertion that the increase in autism coincides with the introduction of the MMR vaccine has been refuted by several other researchers (20,21,24–26)."

References in the order they appeared:

1. Wakefield, A. J. et al. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, nonspecific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet 351, 637–641 (1998).

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Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

Exactly! I wish these so fast people do thorough reading and investigation before claiming big time :huh:

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines

http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers

http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine

http://www.naturalnews.com/024872.html

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What do you say about the point he mentioned Dr Asad? ie about bypassing the natural structured layers of defence, the more superficial ones in the manner that vaccinations do?

Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

That is bad science in and of itself. You cannot inject a foreign protein and expect the body to recognize it and work with it.

Protein digestion doesn't occur this way and injecting a foreign protein will result in the aforementioned chaos mentioned above.

Proteins are usually eaten, then broken up into amino acids and then restructured to suit human needs as opposed to the structures they were in when in an animal/vegetable state.

To inject a foreign protein bypasses the normal mechanisms of creating human proteins even if those proteins were the type to be associated with the virus. The point is, it is foreign and any response to it will be foreign. Antibodies present do not prove immunity, they prove exposure.

Exactly! I wish these so fast people do thorough reading and investigation before claiming big time :huh:

As I mentioned in the other thread, the whole premise of vaccination is flawed. It's a fraud from the start with well known fact it was based on superstition. Much like many other evils of the world today such as the monetary systems, the govts in place, the politico-religous conflicts, schooling and much more, they are based on ideas of mass manipulation of the species.

They have taken the popularized "divide and conquer" and applied it with the pen (through supposed learning and education by which they mask as scientific) as opposed to the sword.

The pen is the new sword as mass media creates a hysteric state of confusion and fear. Fear causes heedlessness, heedlessness causes slip ups and rash decisions. All things discussed in the Quran by Allah yet we still fall victim to brainwashing and the real media and govt propaganda. People then do what others do and we have a majority slide into complacency.

So I ask you, tell me about Jenners qualifications, his supposed medical studies, his scientific background and his experimentation methods as to how he arrived at his conclusions.

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Wesam -

He won't address that very simple reality and sign because to do so would ruin the entire agenda he serves as an advocate for. He would, then, have to re-evaluate everything about his life and what he 'believes'. While nothing may stop the agenda from achieving its purpose of assimilating and consuming large portions of the population, it's important to try to assist those that may not want to knowingly destroy themselves by warning them and showing the clear, easy to understand signs. It's those signs, again, that will never be countered by the enemy and his minions. They will hide behind 'science' and 'official pronouncements' to fool people (and themselves!) into accepting their fate.

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I will recommend it for the best post ever on shia chat ;)

What do you say about the point he mentioned Dr Asad? ie about bypassing the natural structured layers of defence, the more superficial ones in the manner that vaccinations do?

From another thread... Please tell me what happens when one gets injected? Don't we bypass all those safe guard mechanisms and inject the drug into blood stream?

That is bad science in and of itself. You cannot inject a foreign protein and expect the body to recognize it and work with it.

:lol: Sorry, but I had to let go..... IMMUNOLOGY 101.

Protein digestion doesn't occur this way and injecting a foreign protein will result in the aforementioned chaos mentioned above.

Who takes vaccine to digest? Vaccines are administered so immune system recognize it as a foriegn object to make antibodies against so if the actual pathogen ever attack immune system recalls the memory and clean the body from invading pathogens. The reason why these pre-made antibodies (thanks to vaccination) work well because immune system has them and can use their previous making mechanism to quickly launch counter strike. It can take very long to make antibodies against the invading pathogen (for the first time exposure) during that time patient can actually die....

Proteins are usually eaten, then broken up into amino acids and then restructured to suit human needs as opposed to the structures they were in when in an animal/vegetable state.

Thanks for teaching the basic biochemistry of digstion :)

To inject a foreign protein bypasses the normal mechanisms of creating human proteins even if those proteins were the type to be associated with the virus. The point is, it is foreign and any response to it will be foreign. Antibodies present do not prove immunity, they prove exposure.

That is exactly what vaccines suppose to do.... Read my response just above this!

As I mentioned in the other thread, the whole premise of vaccination is flawed. It's a fraud from the start with well known fact it was based on superstition. Much like many other evils of the world today such as the monetary systems, the govts in place, the politico-religous conflicts, schooling and much more, they are based on ideas of mass manipulation of the species.

Please write email and letters to US congress to shut down all medical schools and award you couple noble prizes for correcting all of us and making the best discovery of human history :!!!:

They have taken the popularized "divide and conquer" and applied it with the pen (through supposed learning and education by which they mask as scientific) as opposed to the sword. The pen is the new sword as mass media creates a hysteric state of confusion and fear. Fear causes heedlessness, heedlessness causes slip ups and rash decisions. All things discussed in the Quran by Allah yet we still fall victim to brainwashing and the real media and govt propaganda. People then do what others do and we have a majority slide into complacency.

I would say apply this to your self as well before pointing fingers towards others.....

So I ask you, tell me about Jenners qualifications, his supposed medical studies, his scientific background and his experimentation methods as to how he arrived at his conclusions.

From my reply in other thread:

Now about Edward Jenner and the Discovery of Vaccination (I will cut and paste for you)

The year 1996 marked the two hundredth anniversary of Edward Jenner's first experimental vaccination--that is, inoculation with the related cow-pox virus to build immunity against the deadly scourge of smallpox. Edward Jenner (1749-1823), after training in London and a period as an army surgeon, spent his whole career as a country doctor in his native county of Gloucestershire in the West of England. His research was based on careful case-studies and clinical observation more than a hundred years before scientists could explain the viruses themselves. So successful did his innovation prove that by 1840 the British government had banned alternative preventive treatments against smallpox. "Vaccination," the word Jenner invented for his treatment (from the Latin vacca, a cow), was adopted by Pasteur for immunization against any disease.

In the eighteenth century, before Jenner, smallpox was a killer disease, as widespread as cancer or heart disease in the twentieth century but with the difference that the majority of its victims were infants and young children. In 1980, as a result of Jenner's discovery, the World Health Assembly officially declared "the world and its peoples" free from endemic smallpox.

Wesam - He won't address that very simple reality and sign because to do so would ruin the entire agenda he serves as an advocate for. He would, then, have to re-evaluate everything about his life and what he 'believes'.

Please read above and read your own posts to see what evil are your self advocating for! I am a very well trained scientist, Alhamdo Lillah and I think you need to reevaluate and get some degree in biological science :!!!:

While nothing may stop the agenda from achieving its purpose of assimilating and consuming large portions of the population, it's important to try to assist those that may not want to knowingly destroy themselves by warning them and showing the clear, easy to understand signs.

Yeah please keep on doing so and I would recommend you to please send all this info to the new US president so he can shut down vaccination all for once!

It's those signs, again, that will never be countered by the enemy and his minions. They will hide behind 'science' and 'official pronouncements' to fool people (and themselves!) into accepting their fate.

Same applied to you as well. Even if I make mistake at least I know that I try very hard research sincerely and not a lunatic internet scientist.

Few mishaps (that are still questionable) lead few people to make propaganda website will not shaken my trust in what I have studied and of millions of highly trained and qualified scientists..... Think logical, claims made by few (that have been refuted) versus claims made by millions and for long time, which one would you chose?

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From another thread... Please tell me what happens when one gets injected? Don't we bypass all those safe guard mechanisms and inject the drug into blood stream?

Of course you do! And do you know what happens? The natural triggers of the immune system are suppressed - and as they are suppressed and bypassed - these natural triggers of the immune system end up NOT recognizing that the body is being invaded at all and the overall immune system is ruined. This is why people become dependent upon vaccines - because the only way to try to stimulate their immune system, once its natural functioning has been suppressed via vaccination, is to, yes, get more vaccines and try to jump start them! Of course, over time, even the vaccines do not work as the internal condition of the body basically disintegrates and doesn't respond at all. That was the point of pushing vaccinations all along.

The internal immune defenses, via vaccines, are only triggered once the injected substances have DIRECTLY invaded the bloodstream resulting in the immediate alteration of your chromosomes, dna, as well as directly attacking the organs. The entire response of the body to vaccines is chaotic and results in destruction.

Again, ask yourself what happens when your home security system is bypassed and a home invader just steps right into your home without the strong, natural defenses kicking in. You only start trying to defend yourself once they've already tied you up and have a gun to your head! The entire point of the natural defense triggers is to avoid this very scenario where the virus directly goes into the blood stream and can destroy you directly without a coordinated, immune system response. Once you 'vaccinate' and bypass this 'warning/defense system' with the attending, wholistic 'coming to life' of the immune system BEFORE a virus can actually can get directly into your bloodstream, you've just placed yourself in a position of weakness and your body's ability to fight off viruses, disease, and other deliterious conditions is reduced drastically.

Dr - I apologize for the harshness of sections of my above posts, but you really ought to take a step back and think more clearly about what it is you're promoting. You are essentially advocating that people willingly kill themselves.

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Of course you do! And do you know what happens? The natural triggers of the immune system are suppressed - and as they are suppressed and bypassed - these natural triggers of the immune system end up NOT recognizing that the body is being invaded at all and the overall immune system is ruined.

All wrong! Immunology 101.

This is why people become dependent upon vaccines - because the only way to try to stimulate their immune system, once its natural functioning has been suppressed via vaccination, is to, yes, get more vaccines and try to jump start them! Of course, over time, even the vaccines do not work as the internal condition of the body basically disintegrates and doesn't respond at all. That was the point of pushing vaccinations all along.

No one becomes depended upon vaccines........ :squeez: May I ask where are you getting this nonsense from????? I am sure you have no darn clue of what are you thinking and typing (or copying from some illiterate person's web site :!!!: )

I don't know who's agenda are you talking about and against who????????? :huh: Do you even read what are you typing :o

The internal immune defenses, via vaccines, are only triggered once the injected substances have DIRECTLY invaded the bloodstream resulting in the immediate alteration of your chromosomes, dna, as well as directly attacking the organs. The entire response of the body to vaccines is chaotic and results in destruction.

Bull S&*^......... Vaccines 101 + Immunology 101

Again, ask yourself what happens when your home security system is bypassed and a home invader just steps right into your home without the strong, natural defenses kicking in. You only start trying to defend yourself once they've already tied you up and have a gun to your head!

This analogy is irrelevant to begin with! If you have gone over basic immunologic and vaccines, you might not be typing this gibberish!

Let me write this clearly for you: VACCINES, WHEN INTRODUCED, ACTS AS A FOREIGN OBJECT AGAINST WHICH IMMUNE SYSTEM MAKES ANTIBODY AND SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYS (IT IS MADE TO DO THAT) THE VACCINE THAT EVENTUALLY EXCRETED OUT OF THE BODY. BUT ONCE ANTIBODIES ARE MADE AGAINST CERTAIN PATHOGENS, IT REMAINS IN HUMAN BODY FOREVER. WHEN EVER A PERSON IS ATTACKED BY THE SAME PATHOGEN, IMMUNE SYSTEM ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST IT AND THUS IMMUNE SYSTEM SAFELY, EFFECTIVELY AND QUICKLY GETS RID OF THE UNWELCOME......

The above happens any way if you are not vaccinated when attacked by the pathogen, but if you have read about immune system, it takes long time to make antibody against a pathogen if infection happens for teh first time and during that time patient can DIE due to lack of proper immune repose :squeez:

The entire point of the natural defense triggers is to avoid this very scenario where the virus directly goes into the blood stream and can destroy you directly without a coordinated, immune system response. Once you 'vaccinate' and bypass this 'warning/defense system' with the attending, wholistic 'coming to life' of the immune system BEFORE a virus can actually can get directly into your bloodstream, you've just placed yourself in a position of weakness and your body's ability to fight off viruses, disease, and other deliterious conditions is reduced drastically.

:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: Read my response above!

Dr - I apologize for the harshness of sections of my above posts, but you really ought to take a step back and think more clearly about what it is you're promoting. You are essentially advocating that people willingly kill themselves.

I am not upset but very very surprised with your lack of knowledge of biological sciences and your claims for which you never bring any credible references (Published in well recognized high impact factor scientific journals or books) for....... :wacko:

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Did Prophet (SAW) eat Biryani, Tikkai, Kabab, Steaks and Sandwiches this means these foods are bidat and you should never eat them and avoid satan scheme to control you ;)

Did the Prophet (as) do these? No. So this proves these vaccines are a bidat and a scheme of satan to take control of us.

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