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I am starting this thread to clarify existing confusion out there regarding vaccination. I would strongly recommend to go over the information in the thread The Human Defense Force, Immune System to get some basics straight about immune system and how vaccination helps it! Also read the discussion in the threads Vaccines and Islam, halaal or haraam... and MMR Vaccine Kills a Baby, Are immunisations safe? to get some idea......

How Vaccines Work

­Medicine has come a long way over the years. The development of the vaccine kicked off an era of illness prevention unlike anything the world had ever seen. In fact, vaccinations are largely viewed as the most successful medical advancement in the history of public health. Before vaccines were introduced, smallpox killed millions, nearly 20,000 were paralyzed by polio, and rubella (German measles) caused serious birth defects in about 20,000 newborns.

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The Inspiration for Vaccines

Who knew that cows would save the lives of countless humans? In 1796, a physician named Edward Jenner decided to prove a theory that had been circulating for some time. Smallpox once killed millions of people worldwide. Cowpox was a less serious disease related to smallpox that milkmaids often caught through exposure to infected cows. Jenner noticed that milkmaids who had contracted cowpox were later immune to smallpox. Jenner tested this theory when he took some infected cowpox matter and exposed an otherwise healthy boy through a cut in his arm. After the boy caught and recovered from cowpox, Jenner exposed him to smallpox via an injection. The boy remained healthy, and the world's first vaccine was born. The cows, for their part, were honored when the term "vaccine" was coined -- "vacca" is Latin for cow. According to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) the world's last case of naturally occurring smallpox was in 1977. The disease has since been eliminated from natural occurrences in the world, so the vaccine is no longer given.

List of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases

Anthrax

Cervical Cancer (Human Papillomavirus)

Diphtheria

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)

Human Papillomavirus (HPV)

Influenza (Flu)

Japanese encephalitis (JE)

Lyme disease (Lyme disease vaccine no longer available in the United States)

Measles

Meningococcal

Monkeypox (There is NO monkeypox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine is used for this disease)

Mumps

Pertussis

Pneumococcal

Polio

Rabies

Rotavirus

Rubella

Shingles (Herpes Zoster)

Smallpox

Tetanus

Typhoid

Tuberculosis (TB)

Varicella (Chickenpox)

Yellow Fever

Vaccine Basics

Jenner was operating on the now widely accepted principle that once a person catches a certain disease, he or she is immune to it for the rest of their life. For example, once you've had the chickenpox, it's extremely unlikely that you'll ever catch it again. This is because your body, when exposed again, will recognize the disease and fight it off. The beauty of vaccines is that they help the body develop disease-fighting abilities without making you sick. Vaccines accomplish this amazing feat by tricking the body into believing it already has the full-blown disease. Here are the steps in this process, known as the "immune response":

The vaccine is administered. It contains weakened or dead forms of the disease.

The immune system identifies these foreign substances (viruses and bacteria), also known as antigens.

Once antigens are identified, the immune system develops proteins that circulate in the blood. These proteins are called antibodies. They fight the infection by killing the antigens. Antibodies are made by white blood cells called lymphocytes, also known as B cells. The main purpose of B cells is to create antibodies to fight infection.

The body stockpiles these antibodies so they are available to fight off the disease if exposed later on. Unfortunately, antibodies are disease-specific, so previously acquired chickenpox antibodies will be useless if faced with other diseases.

It's very important to note that when the actual disease infects a person, the antigens multiply thousands and thousands of times until a raging infection is under way. The vaccine provides just enough of these antigens for the body to recognize them and complete the immune response process, therefore protecting them from exposure to the disease in the future.

Why Aren't Vaccines Available for All Diseases?

The procedure for developing a vaccine takes many years and even more money, often hundreds of millions of dollars. According to John Bradley, M.D., member of the committee on infectious diseases of the AAP, it's because of this that vaccines are prioritized in this order:

Vaccines that fight diseases that cause the most deaths and damage, like meningitis

Vaccines that prevent severe diseases like measles and influenza

Vaccines, like the one for rotavirus, that prevent significant suffering

Additionally, vaccines are studied and produced by companies, so the return on investment must be significant in order to justify the large expense. Vaccines are currently in development to prevent malaria. The malaria vaccine has been slighted in the past because the financial return was not worth the investment the industry had to make, according to Dr. Bradley. However, the Malaria Vaccine Initiative recently announced the beginning of Phase 1 trials of a new vaccine. The trial is currently underway in Brisbane, Australia.

Another reason that vaccines can be tricky to produce is that some viruses mutate so quickly that traditional vaccines are ineffective. A prime example is the HIV/AIDS virus. Despite these hurdles, there is currently a tremendous movement to develop a vaccine to fight HIV/AIDS.

Vaccine Types

Vaccines are usually given via a hypodermic injection, but some are given through the mouth or nose. There are two main groups of vaccines: live-attenuated vaccines and inactivated vaccines.

Live-attenuated vaccines: Live-attenuated basically means alive, but very weak. These vaccines are made when the virus is weakened to such a level that they reproduce only about 20 times in the body. By comparison, natural viruses reproduce thousands of times. When the vaccine is made, the virus or bacteria is weakened in a laboratory to the point where it's still alive and able to reproduce, but can't cause serious illness. Its presence is enough to cause the immune system to produce antibodies to fight off the particular disease in the future.

"Live-attenuated vaccines can cause very mild illness in a small proportion of people," says John Bradley, M.D., member of the committee on infectious diseases of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). "However, these side effects are usually very mild and limited to a low-grade fever or runny nose." Dr. Bradley also notes that about 5 to 10 percent of children who receive the varicella (chickenpox) vaccine develop a few pox spots, but it's nothing compared to the full-blown illness.

To weaken the virus, scientists must isolate it through a specimen from an infected person. They then grow the virus in a test tube. They "pass" the virus into a second test tube, then a third, a fourth and so on. Scientists perform this "passage" many times -- the measles virus was passed 77 times! The virus is periodically taken out of the test tube to see if it has mutated. Eventually, the virus gets so used to living in the comfortable test-tube environment that it loses its capacity to produce illness in humans. These passages are performed in a very controlled environment in exactly the same way each time. This discovery was considered the "hallelujah" of vaccine development, according to William Schaffner, M.D., professor and chair of the Department of Preventive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.

Examples of live-attenuated vaccines are MMR (measles, mumps and rubella combination vaccine), varicella and the intranasal form of influenza.

Inactivated vaccines: When inactivated vaccines are made, the bacteria is completely killed using a chemical, usually formaldehyde. Dead pieces of disease-causing microorganisms (usually bacteria) are put into the vaccine. Because the antigens are dead, the strength of these vaccines tend to wear off over time, resulting in less long-lasting immunity. So, multiple doses of inactivated vaccines are usually necessary to provide the best protection. The benefit of inactivated vaccines is that there is zero chance of developing any disease-related symptoms -- allergic reactions are possible but extremely rare.

Examples of inactivated vaccines are hepatitis A, hepatitis B, poliovirus, haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), meningococcal, pneumococcal and the injected form of influenza.

Why are some vaccines live and some dead?

"The bottom line is that the decision is entirely driven by the science," says Dr. Schaffner. "If scientists can make a killed vaccine that is effective, that is what they will do. It's all about trial and error." Most viral diseases, he says, require live-attenuated vaccines, but the vast majority of bacterial illnesses are prevented with inactivated vaccines. There are some exceptions to this rule, though. For example:

Some travelers to less-developed countries get the vaccine to prevent typhoid fever. There are live and killed forms of this vaccine.

Rabies is a viral infection that is 100 percent fatal once it has progressed. The disease is simply too dangerous to give, even in a weakened state. Fortunately, science allowed the development of an inactivated rabies vaccine.

Vaccine Components

Other than the antigen, a couple of things have to be included in the vaccine in order for it to be effective. The requirements vary depending on the specific vaccine, but the gist is the same.

The vaccine has to be stable because it leaves the manufacturing plant, gets bounced around on trucks and so forth. Sometimes small chemicals are added to act as stabilizers so that the vaccine material remains potent. These chemicals are thoroughly regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to ensure their safety and are usually present only in trace amounts.

In multidose vials, a disinfectant is required. This is so that each time a dose is removed, any foreign matter that intrudes is killed instantly. Traditionally, Thimerosol has been the most popular among scientists. However, the industry has largely abandoned its use because of concerns that the chemical causes adverse reactions (see sidebar about vaccine myths). In fact, multidose vials are being phased out in favor of single-dose vials, even though these are more expensive. Thimerosol is currently present only in trace amounts in the influenza vaccine, but that will be a thing of the past in a few years. "We would like to put the controversy behind us," says Dr. Schaffner. "None of us associated with vaccines believe there is merit to that belief, but we are going the extra hundred miles to reassure parents."

Vaccine Production Process

The process of creating, testing and producing a vaccine in mass quantities can take many years from start to finish because the industry is highly regulated. Before scientists even begin to formulate a vaccine, researchers have to study the particular virus or bacteria. Basically, they have to isolate it in a laboratory setting and figure out how it causes the disease. Then they develop the vaccine as either a live-attenuated or inactivated vaccine, depending on the type of virus or bacteria.

Once they have a good grip on that, researchers study the best ways to protect people from the disease using the vaccine they have developed. They figure out the best dosage amounts, whether or not one shot is good enough, or if more is necessary. They also estimate how long protection from the vaccine lasts to determine if booster shots will be necessary. Most of this early research is conducted in laboratories in an academic setting and is paid for by foundation or government grants.

Once the vaccine has been developed, the testing process is conducted over four phases and a period of many years. This testing is funded by pharmaceutical companies and can rack up hundreds of millions of dollars in bills.

The first studies usually test the vaccine on about a hundred healthy adults who are at low risk for complications. The researchers want to find out if the vaccine is safe and if it induces the immune response necessary to fight off disease. If this phase isn't successful, the vaccine is taken back to the drawing board or abandoned.

If Phase 1 is successful, the vaccine moves to the second phase of study, involving a few hundred people from the vaccine's intended group. For example, the chickenpox vaccine was probably tested on children at this phase because they are the target audience. The vaccine is tested on several hundred people to again ensure its safety. Researchers also want to verify that the vaccine causes the desired immune response consistently.

The third phase can take many years and studies anywhere from a thousand to tens of thousands of people in various lifestyles and geographic locations. Researchers want to make sure that the vaccine works on people of all types and in all environments. The FDA reviews all of the data and the study methodology. If everything is satisfactory, the FDA deems the vaccine safe, but then it must be approved by a board of vaccine experts who advise the CDC. The experts then distribute their recommendations about dosage, who should receive the vaccine, when they should receive it, etc.

Even after the vaccine has been distributed, it still requires many more years of study to make sure that no unforeseen side effects occur. The CDC monitors the vaccine and possible side effects very closely in four types of study:

Areas especially prone to the disease are closely monitored. All people who receive the vaccine are monitored closely. Results are reported to the CDC.

The CDC keeps an eye on any occurrence of the disease in the United States. If any strange pop-ups of the disease occur after the vaccine is introduced, it must find out if the vaccine and the pop-ups are related.

Health care professionals or consumers who believe that a serious side effect has occurred in a vaccine recipient can file a report via the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. This data is continuously monitored to identify trends.

The Vaccine Safety Datalink Project provides data on millions of people regarding their vaccination histories and medical outcomes (whether or not they had side effects). This is carefully monitored by the National Center for Health Statistics' Research Data Center to make sure that no major side effects or health risks are occurring.

Getting Vaccinated

Babies and young children have always been a major focus of the vaccine move­ment. However, public health experts want to make sure that adolescents, adults and the elderly stay up-to­-date on their immunizations.

"Vaccines are not just for babies anymore," says Angie Matthiessen, MSW, of Immunize Georgia and Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. "Many adolescent and adult vaccines are now in place, often to protect the very young and elderly."

Visit your doctor regularly to stay up-to-date on vaccinations. Many insurance plans cover the majority of vaccine-related charges because they're considered necessary preventative measures. Often, walk-in clinics provide vaccinations for a nominal fee.

Some physicians are able to give vaccines to children as part of the Vaccines for Children Program free or at very little cost.

Travel requirements are pretty limited. International Health Regulations mandates that the yellow fever vaccination is necessary for travel to certain countries in tropical South America and sub-Saharan Africa. The Saudi Arabian government requires that visitors receive the meningococcal vaccination if visiting during the Hajj. Other than that, the CDC recommends that all international travelers be up-to-date on regular vaccinations. Whether or not travelers need extra vaccines depends on factors such as the destination country, season and whether rural areas will be visited.

Infant Vaccinations-Vaccines are most effective at preventing disease when the recommended schedule is followed. Over the next three sections, we'll go over the schedules for infants, children and adults.

Infants receive the lion's share of vaccines. First, babies have very immature immune systems and are at greater risk of complications and death if exposed to disease. Second, experts believe that a strict vaccine schedule from birth on helps to ensure that these diseases don't pop back up and cause large-scale epidemics. It is recommended that babies from birth to 15 months receive the following vaccines.

HebB - Hepatitis B is transmitted through blood transfusions, direct contact with infected bodily fluids, sexual contact, body piercing and tattoos. According to the CDC, of the children who acquire lifelong hepatitis B, 25 percent die of liver disease in adulthood.

DTaP - Combination vaccine that prevents three diseases in one shot.

Diphtheria is spread through person-to-person contact. Diphtheria once took the lives of more than 15,000 children a year.

Tetanus (lockjaw) is transmitted via contact with infected soil to cuts and punctures in the skin. It causes muscle spasms, often of the jaw (hence the name lockjaw) and can cause major complications, including lung infections, heart damage and death. It's recommended every 10 years because it wears off over time and poses risk to people of all ages, causing death in 10 to 20 percent of cases.

Pertussis (whooping cough) is transmitted through coughing and sneezing fits. Pertussis is especially dangerous to the very young, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems, such as cancer patients. See sidebar for more information on the rising number of pertussis cases in the United States.

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) - Hib meningitis once caused terrible complications in survivors, including mental retardation, deafness and seizures. Roughly 600 children died annually from the disease.

IPV (inactivated poliovirus) - Spread through direct contact with fecal matter, this disease once caused 13,000 to 20,000 cases annually in the United States alone. Paralytic polio left many victims relegated to wheelchairs, crutches and leg braces.

PCV (Pneumococcus) - Causes complications such as meningitis, pneumonia, blood infection (sepsis) and brain damage, is spread through coughing and sneezing, and is especially dangerous to the elderly.

MMR (Measles, mumps and rubella) - Another combination vaccine. These three diseases are spread through coughing and sneezing.

Measles is highly infectious. The CDC estimates that 2.7 million people worldwide would die if vaccinations stopped. The trademark rash begins at the hairline and progresses downward.

Mumps causes swollen glands and cheeks and complications like deafness and brain damage.

Rubella (German measles) is often transmitted from pregnant women to their unborn fetuses. It caused many premature births, miscarriages and birth defects.

Varicella (chickenpox) - Chickenpox used to cause approximately 4 million cases, 11,000 hospitalizations and 100 deaths per year. Complications are worse for teens and adults, and include lung and brain damage and death. The trademark itchy rash usually covers the entire body.

Hepatitis A - Usually spread via contaminated food and water, often in situations with bad food preparation habits and in developing countries. It can cause very low energy for as long as a year and much worse in people with liver problems.

Rota (rotavirus) - A common disease that infects almost all children in the United States before school age. A very new oral vaccine is now available. The disease usually causes fever, nausea and diarrhea. In less developed countries it causes more than 500,000 deaths annually.

Influenza (the flu) - The disease, which is spread through coughing, sneezing and other direct contact, can cause complications like brain swelling, pneumonia and death in severe cases. The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 caused 550,000 deaths in the United States and 21 million deaths across the globe, according to the CDC (see sidebar for more information on the flu vaccine).

After all these vaccines, babies get a few years to rest before their next round of immunizations. Next we'll talk about childhood vaccinations.

Early childhood - From age 18 months to 6 years, children receive subsequent vaccinations of HepB, DTaP, IPV, MMR and varicella. This is to ensure maximum protection against the diseases.

Later childhood/adolescence - After age 6, children don't have too many shots to worry about until adolescence. Around age 11 they should get the Tdap vaccine to protect against tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis because the vaccine they received as an infant has worn off (see sidebar below for more info). The following are also recommended at age 11 or 12:

HPV (human papillomavirus) - This three-dose shot is one of the latest and greatest in the vaccine industry. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease that causes cervical and genital warts. HPV is usually symptom-free, so women become aware of the infection only when they have a positive Pap smear. Since the vaccine is very new it's also recommended for women up to age 26 who have not already received it.

MCV4 (meningococal) - The age for this vaccine has recently been moved up to 11. The disease occurs when the spinal fluid and fluid around the brain become infected. The symptoms of meningitis are high fever, headache and a very stiff neck. It can be viral or bacterial (bacterial is the most severe) and is sometimes contagious, depending on the bacteria. This is why middle- and high-school students, as well as college students living in dormitories, are recommended to get the shot.

Adult Vaccinations

­­Adult (18-65) - Adults should be revaccinated for any of the already-mentioned diseases if there's evidence of waning immunity. For example, when a woman becomes pregnant, her doctor usually runs tests to make sure that she's still immune to German measles. Also, not all adults have received every vaccine because they weren't available when they were children, or they were never immunized in the first place.

Elderly (over 65) - Adults over age 65 are at an increased risk of complications from disease, simply because their immune systems aren't what they used to be. Pertussis, pneumococcus and the flu pose extra threats to this age group. The elderly should make sure that their vaccinations are up-to-date because some may have worn off over time. The following is also recommended:

Zoster (shingles) - Adults over age 60 should get the vaccine for herpes zoster (shingles). This painful disease causes a blistery rash.

High-risk groups - These are children and adults who don't have the best immune systems. These are usually people with compromised immune systems from diseases such as cancer. The schedule for these patients is largely controlled by their particular specialist and should be maintained because the disease can be harsher on them than others.

Vaccine Myths

MYTH: Vaccines cause autism.

TRUTH: "Study after study has shown that there is no link between vaccines and autism," says Angie Matthiessen with Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. This myth gained popularity when children were diagnosed with autism around the time that they received the MMR vaccine (around 18 months of age), according to Joyce Allers, RN, also with Children's Healthcare of Atlanta. At the time, the mercury-containing preservative Thimerosol was being put in vaccines to keep bacteria from growing, so many people connected that to autism. However, there still appears to be no link between previous use of Thimerosol and autism. Thimerosol was completely removed from all infant vaccines in the United States in 2001, yet autism rates continue to increase. Thimerosol is currently present only in minute amounts in the influenza vaccine.

MYTH: Vaccines aren't necessary anymore because all the diseases are gone anyway.

TRUTH: According to the CDC, if we stopped vaccinating, many diseases that are largely unknown would come back with a vengeance. The only vaccine-preventable disease that's been completely wiped out is smallpox. "These diseases are coming into our country, into our schools and into our workplace," says Matthiessen. "Don't believe that your child is 100 percent protected because the disease isn't currently in the United States. International travel and adoption are two of the ways that dangerous diseases make their way into the country."

MYTH: Babies are too fragile to get so many shots.

TRUTH: "A lot of young parents are worried about giving their babies so many shots, thinking that they will overwhelm their immune system," says Allers. "I tell them that as human beings we are exposed to disease all the time, like at the mall and church, so we can't overwhelm their systems." According to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia's Vaccine Education Center, diseases often occur in very young infants, so the best way to prevent them is to give vaccines as soon as possible after birth. "We have a wonderful history of eliminating disease, but what worries us is all the good progress we've made is going to be diminished by families choosing their own vaccination schedule or choosing not to vaccinate at all," Allers says.

MYTH: A live vaccine can give me the disease it's supposed to prevent.

TRUTH: As we've discussed, live vaccines can cause extremely mild symptoms. However, experts agree that they are very minor and much better than coming down with the full-blown disease.

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines

http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers

http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine

http://www.naturalnews.com/024872.html

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Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

I would suggest one more time to read aout how immune system works and where vaccines come into play........

I quote from the article: "Medical workers have long helped the body’s immune system prepare for future attacks through vaccination. Vaccines consist of killed or modified microbes, components of microbes, or microbial DNA that trick the body into thinking an infection has occurred. An immunized person’s immune system attacks the harmless vaccine and prepares for subsequent invasions. Vaccines remain one of the best ways to prevent infectious diseases and have an excellent safety record. Previously devastating diseases such as smallpox, polio, and whooping cough have been greatly controlled or eliminated through worldwide vaccination programs."

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

Wow :wacko: May I ask the who are these aliens and their planet they came from to screw us human beings :huh: Brother, I don't need a certificate from you to be called a Dr! FYI, I don't write E-prescription nor I ask people to get themselves poked or take any medication, in fact I always mention to check with the physicians for the most suitable advice....... I share what I have studied and support my views from the most reliable sources such as Center for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and so on.....

And for my qualifications, READ CAREFULLY.

I am very well aware of these claims and if you have read the article I posted in another vaccine thread! I 'hope' you are aware of the most strict guidelines followed in US regarding human health (or at least attempted) and allowing killers compounds in the name of drug would be allowed for so long??????? Neither I or any report ever ruled out the possibilities of possible complication and if they happen, they are thoroughly investigated and their use is halted! I would request you to go and See for your self the guidelines for drug discovery and approval at US Food and Drug Administration.

Understanding Vaccine Safety: Immunization Remains Our Best Defense Against Deadly Disease

How FDA Works to Ensure Vaccine Safety.

Vaccine Product Approval Process.

Vaccine Adverse Event Report System (VAERS).

Now may I ask your qualifications Dr straight Path :!!!: just to know what you are saying is also making sense to you and actually you are not the victim of media garbage propaganda????!!!! :o

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine http://www.naturalnews.com/024872.html

^^^^ Mostly Propaganda!

Read the article Vaccine safety-vaccine benefits:science and the public's perception Nature Reviews Immunology 1, 160 - 165 (01 Nov 2001). I quote from their: " Whether real, alleged but unproven, or incorrect, a perceived risk of a vaccine might outweigh concerns about the disease it is designed to prevent. Perceptions, be they true or false, drive behaviour.Although this might seem to be scientifically irrational behaviour, several truths contribute to such decisions: the safety of biological products is not absolute; rare adverse effects of vaccines might not be apparent in pre-licensing studies; public (and scientific) concerns about adverse effects have contributed to the development of safer vaccines; and if you or someone dear to you is affected, it matters little to you that the adverse event is rare."

Vaccine development strategies for improving immunization: the role of modern immunology Nature Immunology 5, 460 - 464 (01 May 2004).

The process development challenge for a new vaccine Nature Medicine 11, S16 - S19 (01 Apr 2005).

When a vaccine is safe Nature 439, (01 Feb 2006).

Check this one *Ahem* Misleading media reporting? The MMR story Nature Reviews Immunology 3, 913 - 918 (01 Nov 2003).

"Much is known about the risks of catching measles,mumps and rubella (14). Measles is highly contagious; in developing countries, it accounts for 10% of global mortality for children under the age of five (15). The World Health Organization estimated that in 2000, 777,000 people died from measles (16). In the United States, before vaccines were introduced,more than 90% of the public were infected with measles by the age of 15 (17). Before the mumps vaccination was introduced in 1988,mumps was the most common cause of viral meningitis (14). Rubella’s main threat is to the unborn child (14).

The MMR vaccine was introduced in the United Kingdom in 1988. In 1996, a second booster against measles was introduced after research showed that it reduced outbreaks, boosted waning immunity and increased the total level of immunity in the vaccinated population (18). The first dose is given at 12 months of age and the second at 4–6 years, and it is provided free of charge by the National Health Service. Single vaccines are available from private health care clinics at the cost of hundreds of pounds.

In 1998, Andrew Wakefield described a possible link between autism, bowel disease and the MMR vaccine (1) ,which has since been refuted by a substantial body of research.Peltola et al. (19) examined records over a 14-year period and found that only 31 children developed gastrointestinal symptoms after approximately three million vaccinations. Another large epidemiological study looked at the cases of more than 580,000 children, 82% of whom had received the MMR vaccine. The authors found that the risks of autism and autistic-spectrum disorders were similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated children (20). Brent Taylor of the Royal Free Hospital and Elizabeth Miller of the Public Health Laboratory Service have authored several papers challenging Wakefield’s allegations, looking specifically at Wakefield’s hypothesis and rejecting it (21,22). Anna Donald and Vivek Mutha have reviewed the research concerning the allegations against the MMR vaccine (23) (see Further information website, MMR The Facts, for a full list of reviews).

Wakefield’s assertion that the increase in autism coincides with the introduction of the MMR vaccine has been refuted by several other researchers (20,21,24–26)."

References in the order they appeared:

1. Wakefield, A. J. et al. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, nonspecific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet 351, 637–641 (1998).

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15. Advances in global measles control and elimination: summary of the 1997 international meeting. Morb. Mortal Wkly Rep. 47, 1–23 (1998).

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Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

Exactly! I wish these so fast people do thorough reading and investigation before claiming big time :huh:

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By directly injecting anything into the bloodstream and 'hot housing' your system which causes chaos within your body; you are bypassing all of the natural triggers of the immune system themselves (nose, mouth, eyes, ears, other open orfices where viruses tend to enter and stimulates the natural immune system response evenly, smoothly, just as designed) - the immune system and your body are not strengthened but destroyed. It's actually quite simple to understand. If you have a home security system designed to warn against invaders coming in from the outside, which triggers an even, natural defense response, and someone figures out a way to plant the invader right into your house without triggering the alarm system defenses, what kind of destruction do you think will result from this? Sure, you will eventually respond and attempt to fight the invader - but your entire natural defense system has been compromised and your internal condition (inside the house) will be thrown into chaos as you attempt to fight off the invader. In fact, you are being manipulated to allow yourselves to be invaded directly within and to have yout body's natural defense system triggers bypassed altogether! It's quite devious and as we can see, there are many misguided people out there actually promoting this!

Vaccines are one small part of the overall plan to reduce the wholistic funtionality of humans - and to eventually eliminate them on this planet. 'Dr' Asad, whether he consciously knows it or not, is aiding this effort. The information posted by 'Dr' Asad is nothing more than propaganda spewed out by the 'official' authorities that have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion that vaccination is 'good'. All of these 'officials' are, not suprisingly, deeply tied to those that produce and circulate vaccines in the first place. I would suggest people research these issues of health more fully and not bow before self-proclaimed and 'scientific' authorities who have a track record of destruction.

How Vaccines Damage Your Brain: Another Reason to Avoid Recommended Vaccines

http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/02..._vaccines.shtml

Free Your Mind....From The Vaccine Paradigm

http://www.vaclib.org/

Vaccine Dangers

http://www.cidpusa.org/vaccinedangers.html

Rat Poison Chemical Found in Ingredient List For HPV Vaccine

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What do you say about the point he mentioned Dr Asad? ie about bypassing the natural structured layers of defence, the more superficial ones in the manner that vaccinations do?

Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

That is bad science in and of itself. You cannot inject a foreign protein and expect the body to recognize it and work with it.

Protein digestion doesn't occur this way and injecting a foreign protein will result in the aforementioned chaos mentioned above.

Proteins are usually eaten, then broken up into amino acids and then restructured to suit human needs as opposed to the structures they were in when in an animal/vegetable state.

To inject a foreign protein bypasses the normal mechanisms of creating human proteins even if those proteins were the type to be associated with the virus. The point is, it is foreign and any response to it will be foreign. Antibodies present do not prove immunity, they prove exposure.

Exactly! I wish these so fast people do thorough reading and investigation before claiming big time :huh:

As I mentioned in the other thread, the whole premise of vaccination is flawed. It's a fraud from the start with well known fact it was based on superstition. Much like many other evils of the world today such as the monetary systems, the govts in place, the politico-religous conflicts, schooling and much more, they are based on ideas of mass manipulation of the species.

They have taken the popularized "divide and conquer" and applied it with the pen (through supposed learning and education by which they mask as scientific) as opposed to the sword.

The pen is the new sword as mass media creates a hysteric state of confusion and fear. Fear causes heedlessness, heedlessness causes slip ups and rash decisions. All things discussed in the Quran by Allah yet we still fall victim to brainwashing and the real media and govt propaganda. People then do what others do and we have a majority slide into complacency.

So I ask you, tell me about Jenners qualifications, his supposed medical studies, his scientific background and his experimentation methods as to how he arrived at his conclusions.

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Wesam -

He won't address that very simple reality and sign because to do so would ruin the entire agenda he serves as an advocate for. He would, then, have to re-evaluate everything about his life and what he 'believes'. While nothing may stop the agenda from achieving its purpose of assimilating and consuming large portions of the population, it's important to try to assist those that may not want to knowingly destroy themselves by warning them and showing the clear, easy to understand signs. It's those signs, again, that will never be countered by the enemy and his minions. They will hide behind 'science' and 'official pronouncements' to fool people (and themselves!) into accepting their fate.

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I will recommend it for the best post ever on shia chat ;)

What do you say about the point he mentioned Dr Asad? ie about bypassing the natural structured layers of defence, the more superficial ones in the manner that vaccinations do?

From another thread... Please tell me what happens when one gets injected? Don't we bypass all those safe guard mechanisms and inject the drug into blood stream?

That is bad science in and of itself. You cannot inject a foreign protein and expect the body to recognize it and work with it.

:lol: Sorry, but I had to let go..... IMMUNOLOGY 101.

Protein digestion doesn't occur this way and injecting a foreign protein will result in the aforementioned chaos mentioned above.

Who takes vaccine to digest? Vaccines are administered so immune system recognize it as a foriegn object to make antibodies against so if the actual pathogen ever attack immune system recalls the memory and clean the body from invading pathogens. The reason why these pre-made antibodies (thanks to vaccination) work well because immune system has them and can use their previous making mechanism to quickly launch counter strike. It can take very long to make antibodies against the invading pathogen (for the first time exposure) during that time patient can actually die....

Proteins are usually eaten, then broken up into amino acids and then restructured to suit human needs as opposed to the structures they were in when in an animal/vegetable state.

Thanks for teaching the basic biochemistry of digstion :)

To inject a foreign protein bypasses the normal mechanisms of creating human proteins even if those proteins were the type to be associated with the virus. The point is, it is foreign and any response to it will be foreign. Antibodies present do not prove immunity, they prove exposure.

That is exactly what vaccines suppose to do.... Read my response just above this!

As I mentioned in the other thread, the whole premise of vaccination is flawed. It's a fraud from the start with well known fact it was based on superstition. Much like many other evils of the world today such as the monetary systems, the govts in place, the politico-religous conflicts, schooling and much more, they are based on ideas of mass manipulation of the species.

Please write email and letters to US congress to shut down all medical schools and award you couple noble prizes for correcting all of us and making the best discovery of human history :!!!:

They have taken the popularized "divide and conquer" and applied it with the pen (through supposed learning and education by which they mask as scientific) as opposed to the sword. The pen is the new sword as mass media creates a hysteric state of confusion and fear. Fear causes heedlessness, heedlessness causes slip ups and rash decisions. All things discussed in the Quran by Allah yet we still fall victim to brainwashing and the real media and govt propaganda. People then do what others do and we have a majority slide into complacency.

I would say apply this to your self as well before pointing fingers towards others.....

So I ask you, tell me about Jenners qualifications, his supposed medical studies, his scientific background and his experimentation methods as to how he arrived at his conclusions.

From my reply in other thread:

Now about Edward Jenner and the Discovery of Vaccination (I will cut and paste for you)

The year 1996 marked the two hundredth anniversary of Edward Jenner's first experimental vaccination--that is, inoculation with the related cow-pox virus to build immunity against the deadly scourge of smallpox. Edward Jenner (1749-1823), after training in London and a period as an army surgeon, spent his whole career as a country doctor in his native county of Gloucestershire in the West of England. His research was based on careful case-studies and clinical observation more than a hundred years before scientists could explain the viruses themselves. So successful did his innovation prove that by 1840 the British government had banned alternative preventive treatments against smallpox. "Vaccination," the word Jenner invented for his treatment (from the Latin vacca, a cow), was adopted by Pasteur for immunization against any disease.

In the eighteenth century, before Jenner, smallpox was a killer disease, as widespread as cancer or heart disease in the twentieth century but with the difference that the majority of its victims were infants and young children. In 1980, as a result of Jenner's discovery, the World Health Assembly officially declared "the world and its peoples" free from endemic smallpox.

Wesam - He won't address that very simple reality and sign because to do so would ruin the entire agenda he serves as an advocate for. He would, then, have to re-evaluate everything about his life and what he 'believes'.

Please read above and read your own posts to see what evil are your self advocating for! I am a very well trained scientist, Alhamdo Lillah and I think you need to reevaluate and get some degree in biological science :!!!:

While nothing may stop the agenda from achieving its purpose of assimilating and consuming large portions of the population, it's important to try to assist those that may not want to knowingly destroy themselves by warning them and showing the clear, easy to understand signs.

Yeah please keep on doing so and I would recommend you to please send all this info to the new US president so he can shut down vaccination all for once!

It's those signs, again, that will never be countered by the enemy and his minions. They will hide behind 'science' and 'official pronouncements' to fool people (and themselves!) into accepting their fate.

Same applied to you as well. Even if I make mistake at least I know that I try very hard research sincerely and not a lunatic internet scientist.

Few mishaps (that are still questionable) lead few people to make propaganda website will not shaken my trust in what I have studied and of millions of highly trained and qualified scientists..... Think logical, claims made by few (that have been refuted) versus claims made by millions and for long time, which one would you chose?

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From another thread... Please tell me what happens when one gets injected? Don't we bypass all those safe guard mechanisms and inject the drug into blood stream?

Of course you do! And do you know what happens? The natural triggers of the immune system are suppressed - and as they are suppressed and bypassed - these natural triggers of the immune system end up NOT recognizing that the body is being invaded at all and the overall immune system is ruined. This is why people become dependent upon vaccines - because the only way to try to stimulate their immune system, once its natural functioning has been suppressed via vaccination, is to, yes, get more vaccines and try to jump start them! Of course, over time, even the vaccines do not work as the internal condition of the body basically disintegrates and doesn't respond at all. That was the point of pushing vaccinations all along.

The internal immune defenses, via vaccines, are only triggered once the injected substances have DIRECTLY invaded the bloodstream resulting in the immediate alteration of your chromosomes, dna, as well as directly attacking the organs. The entire response of the body to vaccines is chaotic and results in destruction.

Again, ask yourself what happens when your home security system is bypassed and a home invader just steps right into your home without the strong, natural defenses kicking in. You only start trying to defend yourself once they've already tied you up and have a gun to your head! The entire point of the natural defense triggers is to avoid this very scenario where the virus directly goes into the blood stream and can destroy you directly without a coordinated, immune system response. Once you 'vaccinate' and bypass this 'warning/defense system' with the attending, wholistic 'coming to life' of the immune system BEFORE a virus can actually can get directly into your bloodstream, you've just placed yourself in a position of weakness and your body's ability to fight off viruses, disease, and other deliterious conditions is reduced drastically.

Dr - I apologize for the harshness of sections of my above posts, but you really ought to take a step back and think more clearly about what it is you're promoting. You are essentially advocating that people willingly kill themselves.

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Of course you do! And do you know what happens? The natural triggers of the immune system are suppressed - and as they are suppressed and bypassed - these natural triggers of the immune system end up NOT recognizing that the body is being invaded at all and the overall immune system is ruined.

All wrong! Immunology 101.

This is why people become dependent upon vaccines - because the only way to try to stimulate their immune system, once its natural functioning has been suppressed via vaccination, is to, yes, get more vaccines and try to jump start them! Of course, over time, even the vaccines do not work as the internal condition of the body basically disintegrates and doesn't respond at all. That was the point of pushing vaccinations all along.

No one becomes depended upon vaccines........ :squeez: May I ask where are you getting this nonsense from????? I am sure you have no darn clue of what are you thinking and typing (or copying from some illiterate person's web site :!!!: )

I don't know who's agenda are you talking about and against who????????? :huh: Do you even read what are you typing :o

The internal immune defenses, via vaccines, are only triggered once the injected substances have DIRECTLY invaded the bloodstream resulting in the immediate alteration of your chromosomes, dna, as well as directly attacking the organs. The entire response of the body to vaccines is chaotic and results in destruction.

Bull S&*^......... Vaccines 101 + Immunology 101

Again, ask yourself what happens when your home security system is bypassed and a home invader just steps right into your home without the strong, natural defenses kicking in. You only start trying to defend yourself once they've already tied you up and have a gun to your head!

This analogy is irrelevant to begin with! If you have gone over basic immunologic and vaccines, you might not be typing this gibberish!

Let me write this clearly for you: VACCINES, WHEN INTRODUCED, ACTS AS A FOREIGN OBJECT AGAINST WHICH IMMUNE SYSTEM MAKES ANTIBODY AND SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYS (IT IS MADE TO DO THAT) THE VACCINE THAT EVENTUALLY EXCRETED OUT OF THE BODY. BUT ONCE ANTIBODIES ARE MADE AGAINST CERTAIN PATHOGENS, IT REMAINS IN HUMAN BODY FOREVER. WHEN EVER A PERSON IS ATTACKED BY THE SAME PATHOGEN, IMMUNE SYSTEM ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST IT AND THUS IMMUNE SYSTEM SAFELY, EFFECTIVELY AND QUICKLY GETS RID OF THE UNWELCOME......

The above happens any way if you are not vaccinated when attacked by the pathogen, but if you have read about immune system, it takes long time to make antibody against a pathogen if infection happens for teh first time and during that time patient can DIE due to lack of proper immune repose :squeez:

The entire point of the natural defense triggers is to avoid this very scenario where the virus directly goes into the blood stream and can destroy you directly without a coordinated, immune system response. Once you 'vaccinate' and bypass this 'warning/defense system' with the attending, wholistic 'coming to life' of the immune system BEFORE a virus can actually can get directly into your bloodstream, you've just placed yourself in a position of weakness and your body's ability to fight off viruses, disease, and other deliterious conditions is reduced drastically.

:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: Read my response above!

Dr - I apologize for the harshness of sections of my above posts, but you really ought to take a step back and think more clearly about what it is you're promoting. You are essentially advocating that people willingly kill themselves.

I am not upset but very very surprised with your lack of knowledge of biological sciences and your claims for which you never bring any credible references (Published in well recognized high impact factor scientific journals or books) for....... :wacko:

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Did Prophet (SAW) eat Biryani, Tikkai, Kabab, Steaks and Sandwiches this means these foods are bidat and you should never eat them and avoid satan scheme to control you ;)

Did the Prophet (as) do these? No. So this proves these vaccines are a bidat and a scheme of satan to take control of us.

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Dr - the time will come when you will be staring face to face with yourself and the truth about the things which you've worked to promote and have been an advocate for will be an ever-present reality you won't be able to escape or turn away from - nor will your so-called 'extensive knowledge of the biological sciences' do you much good in trying to defend yourself. You've been warned as was required. Good luck to you. :)

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(bismillah) (salam) ,

I have been properly vaccinated Alhamdo Lillah and shifa or death is in the hands of Allah (SWT) as human we are given brain to seek knowledge and to use it for our well being! I don't work with vaccines nor I have a company or work for a company that deals in vaccines nor I ma suggesting any one to go for it, It is you who is getting his knwoledge from Google and creating misconceptions. No one has ever claimed that a medicine is 100% fool proof or all safe, but people are using these medicines (vaccines or any thing else) to cure themselves since the human are on this planet earth :!!!: I am just here to clarify the uneducated people created hoax against a very smart medicine..... :angel: God forbid if any mishap happens I will deal with it to improve and will NOT start a website spewing biased and unproven claims.....

I am thankful to Allah (SWT) for giving me a chance to read books and get my facts from experimentally backed science and I am happy with it. You have been given proper proofs as desperately needed. I wish you good education in Science and health and a Flu shot to begin with :Hijabi: .

Dr - the time will come when you will be staring face to face with yourself and the truth about the things which you've worked to promote and have been an advocate for will be an ever-present reality you won't be able to escape or turn away from - nor will your so-called 'extensive knowledge of the biological sciences' do you much good in trying to defend yourself. You've been warned as was required. Good luck to you. :)

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There are many myths about the flu shot. See the facts below to set the record straight!

Fact #1: The flu and its complications, like pneumonia, are the LEADING CAUSE of HOSPITALIZATION & DEATH in Canada from an infectious disease.

-The flu attacks and weakens the elderly and the ill. It is stimated that 10% to 25% of Canadians may get the flu every year and up to 8,000 people will die the flu and its complications during a flu season.

Fact #2: The flu vaccine is safe and effective. It CANNOT give you the flu because it does not contain live virus.

-A new flu vaccine is made each year to fight the expected viruses for the coming season. When there is a good match between the vaccine the strain of flu that is circulating, the flu shot provides protection for up to 90% of people who get a flu vaccination.

Fact #3: A yearly flu shot is the BEST PROTECTION against the flu.

-A different strain of the flu may be circulating each year, that's why last year's shot does not protect you against this year's flu. You need a flu shot each year for protection.

Fact #4: Most people have NO OR MILD side effects from the flu vaccine.

-Side effects from the flu vaccine are none or are mild. Some people may have some swelling or pain where the shot was given, a low fever, or feel tired for one or two days after the vaccine.

Fact #5: The flu shot DOES NOT CAUSE Alzheimer's Disease.

-There is no evidence that the flu vaccine causes Alzheimer’s disease. The flu vaccine does not contain aluminum. The shot does contain 25 micrograms of mercury which is less than the amount of mercury found in once can of tuna fish, and well within the safe daily intake level.

Fact #6: The flu shot DOES NOT weaken your body to fight off other infections.

-The flu vaccine helps your body build up MORE protection against the virus strain in the vaccine. It does not weaken your ability to fight the flu or other infections.

Fact #7: You can get the flu shot even if you are pregnant.

-The flu shot is safe and recommended for all pregnant women. Researchers estimate that an average of 1-2 hospitalizations can be prevented for every 1,000 pregnant women vaccinated.

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Vaccine Concerns

Editor's Note: The following information is reprinted from Chapter 15 "Common Concerns about Vaccines," p. 92-115, from the book Vaccines: What You Should Know, third edition, by Paul A. Offit, MD, and Louis M. Bell, MD, ©2003. It is reprinted with permission of Dr. Offit.

It seems that almost every month newspaper articles and television programs depict the horrors of vaccines. The villains of these stories are greedy vaccine manufacturers, disinterested doctors, and burdensome regulatory agencies. The focus of the stories is that children are hurt unnecessarily by vaccines, and the tone is one of intrigue and cover-up.

Perhaps the most dangerous part of these stories (apart from the fact that they may cause many children to miss the vaccines they need) is that the explanations are presented in a manner that seem believable. Below we have listed the most commonly aired stories about vaccines and have tried to separate fact from myth.

CONCERN: Vaccines don't work.

Probably the best example of the impact of vaccines is the vaccine that prevents meningitis caused by the bacterium Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib).

The current Hib vaccine was first introduced to this country in 1990. At that time Hib was the most common cause of bacterial meningitis, accounting for approximately 15,000 cases and 400 to 500 deaths every year. The incidence of cases and deaths per year had been steady for decades. After the current Hib vaccine was introduced, the incidence of Hib meningitis declined to fewer than fifty cases per year! The power of the Hib vaccine is that most pediatricians and family practitioners working today saw its impact.

The story of the Hib vaccine is typical of all widely used vaccines. A dramatic reduction in the incidence of diseases such as measles, mumps, German measles, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis occurred within several years of the introduction of vaccines against them.

Vaccines not only work, but they work phenomenally well.

CONCERN: Vaccines aren't necessary.

In some ways, vaccines are victims of their own success. Most young parents today have never seen a case of measles, mumps, German measles, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, or whooping cough. As a result, some of these parents question the continued need for vaccines.

Vaccines should be given for three reasons:

Some diseases are so prevalent in this country that a decision not to give a vaccine is a decision to risk that disease (for example, pertussis).

Some diseases are still present in the environment. These diseases continue to occur, but at fairly low levels (for example, measles, mumps, and German measles). If immunization rates drop, outbreaks of these diseases will again occur and children will die from our lack of vigilance. This is exactly what happened in the late 1980s and early 1990s when immunization rates against measles dropped. The result was 11,000 hospitalizations and more than a hundred deaths caused by measles. Now, due to an increase in measles immunization rates, there are only about a hundred cases of measles and no deaths every year in the United States.

Some diseases have been virtually eliminated from this country (such as polio and diphtheria). However, these diseases continue to cause outbreaks in other areas of the world. Given the high rate of international travel, these diseases could be easily imported by travelers or immigrants.

CONCERN: Vaccines are not safe. What does the word safe mean?

The first definition of the word safe is "harmless." This definition would imply that any negative consequences of vaccines would make the vaccine unsafe. Using this definition, no vaccine is 100 percent safe. Almost all vaccines can cause pain, redness, or tenderness at the site of injection. And some vaccines cause more severe side effects. For example, the pertussis (or whooping cough) vaccine can be a very rare cause of persistent, inconsolable crying or high fever. Although none of these severe symptoms results in permanent damage, they can be quite frightening to parents.

But, in truth, few things meet the definition of "harmless." Even everyday activities contain hidden dangers. For example, each year in the United States, 350 people are killed in bath- or shower-related accidents, 200 people are killed when food lodges in their windpipe, and 100 people are struck and killed by lightning. However, few of us consider eating solid food, taking a bath, or walking outside on a rainy day as unsafe activities. We just figure that the benefits of the activity clearly outweigh its risks.

The second definition of the word safe is "having been preserved from a real danger." This definition implies that vaccines provide safety. Using this definition, the danger (the disease) must be significantly greater than the means of protecting against the danger (the vaccine). Or, said another way, a vaccine's benefits must clearly and definitively outweigh its risks.

To better understand the definition of the word safe when applied to vaccines, let's examine four different vaccines and the diseases they prevent.

Is the hepatitis B vaccine safe?

The hepatitis B vaccine has few side effects. However, one side effect is serious. About one of every 600,000 doses of hepatitis B vaccine is complicated by a severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. The symptoms of anaphylaxis are hives, difficulty breathing, and a drop in blood pressure. Although no one has ever died because of the hepatitis B vaccine, the symptoms of anaphylaxis caused by the vaccine can be quite frightening.

On the other hand, every year thousands of people die soon after being infected with hepatitis B virus. In addition, tens of thousands of people every year suffer severe liver damage (called cirrhosis) or liver cancer caused by hepatitis B virus. Children are much more likely to develop these severe and often fatal consequences of hepatitis B virus infection if they get infected when they are very young. For this reason, the hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for newborns.

Some parents wonder whether it is necessary to give the hepatitis B vaccine to newborns. They ask, "How is a baby going to catch hepatitis B?" But before the hepatitis B virus vaccine, every year in the United States thousands of children less than ten years of age caught hepatitis B virus from someone other than their mothers. Some children caught it from another family member, and some children caught it from someone outside the home who came in contact with the baby. About 1 million people in the United States now are infected with hepatitis B virus. However, because hepatitis B virus can cause a silent infection (meaning without obvious symptoms), many people who have hepatitis B virus infection don't even know that they have it! So it can be hard to tell who might be contagious. Worse yet, you can catch hepatitis B virus after casual contact with someone who is infected (for example, sharing hand towels).

Because the benefits of the hepatitis B vaccine clearly and definitively outweigh the risks, the hepatitis B vaccine is safe.

Was the old pertussis vaccine safe?

The old pertussis vaccine had far more risks than the hepatitis B vaccine. The old pertussis vaccine was called the "whole-cell" vaccine and had a high rate of severe side effects. Persistent, inconsolable crying occurred in one of every 100 doses, fever greater than 105°F occurred in one of every 330 doses, and seizures with fever occurred in one of every 1,750 doses. Due to negative publicity about this vaccine, the use of pertussis vaccine decreased in many areas of the world.

For example, Japan simply stopped using the pertussis vaccine in 1975. In the three years before the vaccine was discontinued, there were 400 cases of pertussis and ten deaths from pertussis. In the three years after the pertussis vaccine was discontinued, there were 13,000 cases of pertussis and 113 deaths! It should be noted that although the side effects of the pertussis vaccine were high, children didn't die from pertussis vaccine. What they did die from was pertussis infection. The Japanese Ministry of Health, realizing how costly their error had been, soon reinstituted the use of pertussis vaccine.

What happened to the children of Japan proved that the benefits of the pertussis vaccine clearly outweighed the risks. Today's new "acellular" pertussis vaccine has a much lower risk of severe side effects than the old "whole-cell" vaccine–therefore, it is even safer.

Was the rotavirus vaccine safe?

The rotavirus vaccine was withdrawn for use because of a problem with safety. The vaccine was found to cause a rare but potentially very serious side effect called intussusception. Intussusception occurs when one section of the small intestine folds into another section of the intestine. When this happens, the intestine can become blocked. Intussusception is a medical emergency, and children can die from the disease. The rotavirus vaccine was given to about 1 million children in the United States between 1998 and 1999. About one of every 10,000 children who were given the vaccine got intussusception (a total of about 100 children), and one child died because of the vaccine.

What happened to children who didn't get the rotavirus vaccine? Of the 1 million children who didn't get the vaccine, about 16,000 were hospitalized with water loss (or dehydration) and about five to ten died from dehydration caused by rotavirus. Many more children were hospitalized and killed by rotavirus infection than were hospitalized and killed by the rotavirus vaccine. So the United States had to choose between the risk of the rotavirus vaccine and the risk of natural infection. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics felt that the risk from rotavirus vaccine was simply too great and preferred to wait for a rotavirus vaccine that was safer.

But let us not fool ourselves into thinking that the decision not to use a rotavirus vaccine rendered children free from risk. Because rotavirus disease is common, the choice not to give the rotavirus vaccine was a choice to allow for continued natural infection with rotavirus. This choice meant that children will continue to be at risk of severe and occasionally fatal rotavirus infection.

Is the pneumococcal vaccine safe?

The pneumococcal vaccine was licensed for use in the United States in the year 2000 and was recommended for use in all children less than five years of age. Some parents chose to take a "wait and see" attitude when the vaccine was first licensed. They reasoned that because the problems with the rotavirus vaccine were not revealed until the vaccine was given to 1 million children, why not wait and see what happens after the pneumococcal vaccine is given to at least 1 million or more children?

However, the choice not to give the pneumococcal vaccine was again not a risk-free choice, because every year in the United States thousands of children get meningitis, bloodstream infections, and pneumonia from pneumococcus. So the choice not to give a pneumococcal vaccine was a choice to risk the severe, often permanent, and occasionally fatal, consequences of pneumococcal infection. Parents should be reassured about the safety of this vaccine because of two facts. First, the pneumococcal vaccine was tested in about 20,000 children before being licensed for use. Second, the Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine is made in a manner almost identical to the pneumococcal vaccine, and has been given safely to about 3 million children every year since 1990.

Are systems in place to ensure that vaccines are safe after they are licensed?

The rotavirus vaccine is an example of how rare side effects can be detected. The vaccine was tested in about 11,000 children before it was submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for licensure. After the vaccine was licensed and recommended for use, the vaccine was given to about 1 million children.

A system called the Vaccines Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) then found about fifteen cases of an intestinal blockage called intussusception soon after administration of the vaccine. This was worrisome enough to the CDC to cause them to temporarily suspend use of the vaccine until it could be determined whether the vaccine did, in fact, cause intussusception. An analysis by the CDC showed that intussusception occurred in about one of every 10,000 children that received the vaccine. Because only 11,000 children had been tested before the vaccine was licensed, it had not been really possible to detect such a rare side effect. The result of the rotavirus vaccine experience is that at least 60,000 children will be tested before the next rotavirus vaccine is licensed.

Several other sources of information about the side effects of vaccines, such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), are also available. This database also allows one to determine the "background" rate of side effects, meaning the rate of adverse events in children who don't receive a vaccine. So, in many ways, systems such as the VSD are better than VAERS because they allow one to determine whether a vaccine really did cause a rare side effect.

CONCERN: Infants are too young to get vaccinated.

Children are immunized in the first few months of life because several vaccine-preventable diseases infect them when they are very young. For example:

Pertussis infects about 8,000 children, causing five to ten deaths every year in the United States. Almost all of the cases are in children less than one year of age. Children under two years old are 500 times more likely to catch Hib meningitis if someone with a Hib infection is living in the home.

About 90 percent of newborns whose mothers are infected with hepatitis B will contract hepatitis and go on to develop chronic liver disease, cirrhosis, and possibly liver cancer.

For these reasons, it is very important for infants to be fully immunized against certain diseases by the time they are six months old.

Fortunately, young infants are surprisingly good at building immunity to viruses and bacteria. About 95 percent of children given DTaP, Hib, and hepatitis B virus vaccines will be fully protected by two years of age.

CONCERN: It's better to be naturally infected than immunized.

It is true that "natural" infection almost always causes better immunity than vaccination (only the Hib, pneumococcal, and tetanus vaccines are better at inducing immunity than natural infection). Whereas natural infection causes immunity after just one infection, vaccines usually create immunity only after several doses are given over a number of years. For example, DTaP, hepatitis B, and IPV are each given at least three times.

However, the difference between vaccination and natural infection is the price paid for immunity. The price paid for vaccination is the inconvenience of several shots and the occasional sore arm. The price paid for a single natural infection is usually considerably greater: paralysis from natural polio infection, mental retardation from natural Hib infection, liver failure from natural hepatitis B virus infection, deafness from natural mumps infection, or pneumonia from natural varicella infection are high prices to pay for immunity.

CONCERN: Children get too many shots.

Infants and young children commonly encounter and manage many challenges to their immune system at the same time. Twenty years ago, seven vaccines were routinely recommended, and children received five shots by two years of age and as many as two shots at one time. Now that we have eleven routinely recommended vaccines, children could receive as many as twenty shots by two years of age and five shots at a single visit. Many parents are concerned about whether children can handle all these vaccines.

But vaccines are just a small part of what babies encounter every day. Although the mother's womb is free from bacteria and viruses, newborns immediately face a host of different challenges to their immune system. For example, from the minute they are born, thousands of different bacteria start to live on the skin as well as the lining of the nose, throat, and intestines. By quickly making an immune response to these bacteria, babies keep the bacteria from invading their bloodstream and causing serious disease.

In fact, babies are capable of responding to millions of different viruses and bacteria because they have billions of immunologic cells circulating in their bodies. Therefore the vaccines given in the first two years of life are literally a raindrop in the ocean of what infants' immune systems successfully encounter in their environment every day.

It is interesting to note that although children receive more vaccines today than they did a hundred years ago, when only the smallpox vaccine was routinely recommended in infancy, the number of separate immunologic challenges contained in vaccines has actually decreased! The smallpox vaccine contained about 200 viral proteins. If you add up today's eleven routinely recommended vaccines, the number of vaccine proteins and polysaccharides (complex sugars) is less than 130: diphtheria (1), tetanus (1), pertussis (2-5), polio (15), measles (10), mumps (9), rubella (5), Hib (2), varicella (69), conjugate pneumococcus (8), and hepatitis B (1).

CONCERN: Vaccines weaken the immune system.

Natural infection with certain viruses can indeed weaken the immune system. This means that when children are infected with one virus, they can't fight off other viruses or bacteria as easily. This happens most notably during natural infection with either chickenpox or measles. Children infected with chickenpox are susceptible to infection with certain bacterial infections (like "flesh-eating" bacteria). And children infected with measles are more susceptible to bacterial infections of the bloodstream (sepsis).

But vaccines are different. The viruses in the measles and chickenpox vaccines (the so-called vaccine viruses) are very different from those that cause measles and chickenpox infections (the "wild-type" viruses). The vaccine viruses are themselves so disabled that they cannot weaken the immune system. Vaccinated children are not at greater risk of other infections (meaning infections not prevented by vaccines) than unvaccinated children.

CONCERN: Vaccines "use up" the immune system.

Is it possible that all the vaccines given to children in the first few months of life use up the immune system? Certainly children build immunity to only a limited number of microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, fungi, or parasites). The question is, How many?

Probably the most sensible approach to answering this question was that formulated by Dr. Mel Cohn and Dr. Rodney Langman, immunologists working at the Developmental Biology Laboratory at the Salk Institute in San Diego. They theorized that the number or microorganisms to which a body can respond depends on the number of cells in blood that can make antibodies sufficient to recognize all the relevant parts of the microorganism.

Using their theory, it stood to reason that the number of microorganisms to which one responds depends on one's size. Cohn and Langman estimated that elephants can produce immunity to about a hundred times more microorganisms than humans, and that humans can build immunity to at least a hundred times more mircroorganisms than hummingbirds. Although this would mean that adult humans could make antibodies to more organisms than infants, the scientists estimated that even young infants could respond to about 100,000 different organisms at one time.

Therefore, the eleven vaccines required for all children will use up only about 0.01 percent of the immunity that is available.

CONCERN: Some vaccines contain other infectious agents that may damage my child.

All currently recommended vaccines are tested by pharmaceutical companies under the strict supervision of the FDA. Vaccines are tested for the presence of known viruses, bacteria, fungi, or parasites different from those contained in the vaccine.

When you consider that the 3.5 to 4 million children born every year in the United States receive eleven different vaccines by the time they are six years old, and that some of these vaccines have been in existence for over fifty years, the record of vaccine safety in this country is remarkable.

CONCERN: Vaccines cause autism.

Recently, stories carried by the media have caused some parents to fear that the combination measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism. Summarized below are (1) studies used to support the notion that MMR causes autism, (2) studies that disprove the notion that MMR causes autism, and (3) other investigations into the causes of autism.

The "Wakefield" studies

Two studies have been cited by those claiming that the MMR vaccine causes autism. Both studies are critically flawed.

In 1998, Andrew Wakefield and colleagues published a paper in the journal Lancet. Wakefield's hypothesis was that the MMR vaccine caused a series of events that include intestinal inflammation, entrance into the bloodstream of proteins harmful to the brain, and consequent development of autism. In support of his hypothesis, Dr. Wakefield described twelve children with developmental delay, of whom eight had autism. All of these children had intestinal complaints and developed autism within one month of receiving MMR.

The Wakefield paper published in 1998 is flawed for two reasons: (1) About 90 percent of children in England received MMR at the time this paper was written. Because MMR is administered at a time when many children are diagnosed with autism, it would be expected that most children with autism would have received an MMR vaccine, and that many would have received the vaccine recently. The observation that some children with autism recently received MMR is, therefore, expected. However, determination of whether MMR causes autism is best made by studying the incidence of autism in both vaccinated and unvaccinated children. This wasn't done. (2) Although the authors claim that autism is a consequence of intestinal inflammation, intestinal symptoms were observed after, not before, symptoms of autism in all eight cases.

In 2002, Wakefield and coworkers published a second paper examining the relationship between measles virus and autism. The authors tested intestinal biopsy samples for the presence of measles virus from children with and without autism. Of children with autism, 75 of 91 were found to have measles virus in intestinal biopsy tissue as compared with only five of 70 patients who didn't have autism.

On its surface, this is a concerning result. However, the second Wakefield paper is also critically flawed for the following reasons: (1) Measles vaccine virus is live and attenuated. After inoculation, the vaccine virus probably replicates (or reproduces itself) about fifteen to twenty times. It is likely that measles vaccine virus is taken up by specific cells responsible for virus uptake and presentation to the immune system (termed antigen-presenting cells, or APCs). Because all APCs are mobile, and can travel throughout the body (including the intestine), it is plausible that a child immunized with MMR would have measles virus detected in intestinal tissues using a very sensitive assay. To determine whether MMR is associated with autism, one must determine whether the finding is specific for children with autism. Therefore, children with or without autism must be identical in two ways. First, children with or without autism must be matched for immunization status (that is, receipt of the MMR vaccine). Second, children must be matched for the length of time between receipt of MMR vaccine and collection of biopsy specimens. Although this information was clearly available to the investigators and critical to their hypothesis, it was omitted from the paper. (2) Because natural measles virus is still circulating in England, it would have been important to determine whether the measles virus detected in these samples was natural measles virus or vaccine virus. Although methods are available to distinguish these two types of virus, the authors did not use them. (3) The method used to detect measles virus in these studies was very sensitive. Laboratories that work with natural measles virus (such as the lab where these studies were performed) are at high risk of getting results that are incorrectly positive. No mention is made in the paper as to how this problem was avoided. (4) As is true for all laboratory studies, the person who is performing the test should not know whether the sample is obtained from a case with autism or without autism (blinding). No statements were made in the methods section to assure that blinding occurred.

Studies showing that MMR vaccine does not cause autism

Four studies have been performed that disprove the notion that MMR causes autism.

In 1999, Brent Taylor and coworkers examined the relationship between receipt of MMR and development of autism in a well-controlled study. Taylor examined the records of 498 children with autism or autism-like disorder. Cases were identified by registers from the North Thames region of England before and after the MMR vaccine was introduced into the United Kingdom in 1988. Taylor then examined the incidence and age at diagnosis of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children. He found that (1) the percentage of children vaccinated was the same in children with autism as in other children in the North Thames region; (2) no difference in the age of diagnosis of autism was found in vaccinated and unvaccinated children; and (3) the onset of symptoms of autism did not occur within two, four, or six months of receiving the MMR vaccine.

Subsequent studies by Natalie Smith published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and by Hershel Jick in the British Medical Journal found that the increase in the number of children reported to have autism was not associated with an increase in the use of the MMR vaccine.

The largest study to examine the relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism was reported in the New England Journal of Medicine in November 2002. About 537,000 children in Denmark who either did or did not receive the MMR vaccine were examined for about six years. The incidence of autism was the same in children who did or did not receive the MMR vaccine.

Studies on the causes of autism

One of the best ways to determine whether a particular disease or syndrome is genetic is to examine the incidence in identical and fraternal twins. Using a strict definition of autism, when one twin has autism, approximately 60 percent of identical and 0 percent of fraternal twins have autism. Using a broader definition of autism (that is, autistic spectrum disorder), approximately 92 percent of identical and 10 percent of fraternal twins have autism. Therefore, autism clearly has a genetic basis.

Clues to the causes of autism can be found in studies examining when the symptoms of autism are first evident. Perhaps the best data examining when symptoms of autism are first evident are the "home-movie studies." These studies took advantage of the fact that many parents take movies of their children during their first birthday (before they have received the MMR vaccine). Home movies of children who were eventually diagnosed with autism and those who were not diagnosed with autism were coded and shown to developmental specialists. Investigators were, with a very high degree of accuracy, able to separate autistic from nonautistic children at one year of age. These studies found that subtle symptoms of autism were present earlier than some parents had suspected, and that receipt of the MMR vaccine did not precede the first symptoms of autism.

Other investigators extended the home-movie studies of one-year-old children to include videotapes of children taken at two to three months of age. Using a sophisticated movement analysis, videos from children eventually diagnosed with autism or not diagnosed with autism were coded and evaluated for their capacity to predict autism. Children who were eventually diagnosed with autism were predicted from movies taken in early infancy. This study supported the hypothesis that very subtle symptoms of autism are present in early infancy and argues strongly against vaccines as a cause of autism.

Toxic or viral insults to the fetus that cause autism, as well as certain central nervous system disorders associated with autism, support the notion that autism is likely to occur in the womb.

For example, children exposed to thalidomide during the first or early second trimester were found to have an increased incidence of autism. However, autism occurred in children with ear but not arm or leg abnormalities. Because arms and legs develop after 24 [days*] gestation, the risk period for autism following receipt of thalidomide must be before 24 [days*] gestation. In support of this finding, Rodier and colleagues found evidence for structural abnormalities of the nervous system in children with autism. These abnormalities could have occurred only during development of the nervous system in the womb.

Similarly, children with congenital rubella syndrome are at increased risk for development of autism. Risk is associated with exposure to rubella before birth but not after birth.

*IAC has substituted the word “days” for the word “weeks” to correct two typos that occur in this paragraph in the book.

Conclusions

Studies of (1) the genetics of autism, (2) the timing of the first symptoms of autism (home-movie studies), (3) the relationship between autism and the receipt of the MMR vaccine, (4) the nervous system of children with autism, and (5) thalidomide and natural rubella infection all support the fact that autism occurs during development of the nervous system early in the womb.

Unfortunately for parents who will someday bear children diagnosed with autism, the controversy surrounding vaccines has diverted attention and resources away from a number of promising leads.

CONCERN: A mercury-containing preservative (thimerosal) contained in many vaccines harms children.

On October 1, 2001, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) issued a report on the use of thimerosal in vaccines. The IOM advises the federal government on health matters and was established in 1970 by the National Academy of Sciences. The IOM recommended the use of thimerosal-free DTaP, Hib, and hepatitis B vaccines in the United States.

What is thimerosal?

Thimerosal is a preservative that is used in vaccines. It is made of thiosalicylic acid and mercury. The mercury contained in thimerosal is an organic form called ethylmercury.

Why do vaccines contain the preservative thimerosal?

Preservatives such as thimerosal prevent vaccines from becoming contaminated with bacteria or fungi. Preservatives are especially important when the vial of vaccine contains more than one dose (multidose vials). Studies from about fifty years ago showed that multidose vials of vaccine could become contaminated with bacteria. Bacteria in the vial could then be injected inadvertently into the child and cause serious and occasionally fatal infections.

Is mercury harmful?

Yes. Mercury at high levels can damage the nervous system and kidneys. Studies in places such as the Faroe Islands, the Seychelles, and Iraq found that the unborn fetus might be harmed when pregnant women ingest large quantities of mercury contained in contaminated fish or fumigated (disinfected) grain. The form of mercury that contaminates the environment is called methylmercury (not the ethylmercury contained in vaccines).

Does thimerosal contain an amount of mercury that could harm children?

The FDA was recently required to compile a list of drugs and foods that contained mercury (the FDA Modernization Act of 1997). Because some vaccines contain thimerosal, they were included in the list generated by the FDA. The amount of mercury contained in vaccines was then compared with acceptable levels of mercury published by the FDA, Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Agency for Toxic Substance and Disease Registry (ATSDR), and World Health Organization (WHO). Cumulative levels of mercury contained in multiple vaccines were not greater that those considered to be safe by the FDA, WHO, or ATSDR. However, the levels of mercury contained in multiple vaccines did slightly exceed those considered to be safe by the EPA.

How did the EPA determine what levels of mercury were safe for children?

The EPA looked closely at a study performed in Iraq where pregnant women were exposed to large quantities of methylmercury that had been used to fumigate grain. The EPA then estimated the lowest dose of mercury that was found to cause neurodevelopmental delay in the fetus whose mother ingested this seed grain. From this they calculated the lowest dose of methymercury that could possibly harm an unborn child. They then divided this dose by a safety factor of ten to determine the lowest acceptable dose of mercury.

here are many problems with using the study in Iraq to determine levels of thimerosal in vaccines that would be safe in children. First, thimerosal doesn't contain the form of mercury that contaminates the environment. Environmental mercury is usually methylmercury, whereas the mercury contained in vaccines is in the form of ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is excreted in the urine more quickly than methylmercury and is less likely to accumulate in the body. Second, vaccines are administered to children after, not before, they are born. The nervous system of a child is still developing early in a woman's pregnancy, but by the time a child gets a vaccine, the nervous system is more mature and, therefore, much less likely to be susceptible to the harmful effects of mercury. Third, by including a safety factor of ten, the EPA estimate was very conservative.

Has thimerosal contained in vaccines ever been shown to harm children?

No. Studies have never shown that mercury at the level contained in vaccines causes neurological problems.

If thimerosal has never been found to harm children, why are vaccine makers now making vaccines that don't use thimerosal as a preservative?

Thimerosal is being taken out of vaccines for two reasons. First, single-dose vials have largely replaced multidose vials in the United States. Therefore, the risk of contamination with bacteria or fungi is much lower. Second, other preservatives that don't contain any mercury can be used in some vaccines.

So the main reason that thimerosal is being taken out of vaccines is that it can be. Thimerosal (as a preservative) is absent from all vaccines routinely given to children in the United States.

CONCERN: The hepatitis B vaccine causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

The ABC television program 20/20 aired a story claiming that the hepatitis B vaccine caused SIDS. They showed the picture of a one-month-old girl who had died of SIDS only sixteen hours after receiving her second dose of hepatitis B vaccine. To the reporters of this story, this proved that the hepatitis B vaccine caused SIDS. Although anecdotes can be quite powerful, they can also be misleading.

Every year in the United States, thousands of infants die of SIDS. The hepatitis B vaccine is now routinely recommended for infants as a series of three shots. Therefore, some infants who get the hepatitis B vaccine will invariably die from SIDS—and some will die from SIDS soon after the vaccine is given. But does this mean that children who get the vaccine are more likely to die from SIDS than children who don't get the vaccine?

To really understand if a vaccine causes problems you need more information. You need to know the incidence of SIDS in those who got the vaccine and the incidence of SIDS in those who didn't get the vaccine. Anecdotes do not provide this information. When the incidence of SIDS is examined in immunized and unimmunized infants, there is no evidence that the hepatitis B vaccine causes SIDS.

Indeed, the incidence of SIDS has decreased dramatically since the hepatitis B vaccine was first recommended for all infants. The reason for the decline is that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended the "Back to Sleep" program for all infants. Parents were asked to let infants sleep on their backs instead of face down. The result was a dramatic decline in SIDS and proved that SIDS was not related to vaccines.

CONCERN: Pharmaceutical companies occasionally manufacture lots of vaccines that cause high rates of adverse events ("hot lots").

Individual lots of vaccines that have unusually high rates of side effects have never been identified in this country. Therefore, specific lots of vaccines have never been withdrawn from use as a "hot lot.

CONCERN: Vaccine-preventable diseases occur more often in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people.

On its face, this statement is actually true. However, it is important to understand why it is true.

Let's take the situation of 100 young adults living in a college dormitory and say that 95 were vaccinated against measles and five were not vaccinated. An outbreak of measles strikes the college campus. In the dormitory, six of the 95 people who were vaccinated get measles, and four of the five unvaccinated people get measles. This would mean that vaccinated people get measles more commonly than unvaccinated people (in this case, by a margin of 6 to 4). However, the risk for measles in the unvaccinated group was 80 percent (4 of 5), whereas the risk for measles in the vaccinated group was only about 6 percent (6 of 95). So, people were much less likely to get measles if they had received the measles vaccine.

Indeed, a study recently reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that unvaccinated people were thirty-five times more likely to get measles than vaccinated people.

CONCERN: The hepatitis B vaccine causes arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and long-term (chronic) neurologic disorders.

A segment of the ABC television show 20/20 told of children and adults who developed arthritis, multiple sclerosis, or neurologic disabilities following receipt of the hepatitis B vaccine. However, if one event precedes another, it did not necessarily cause the other.

For example, multiple sclerosis commonly has its onset in adolescence and early adulthood. Therefore, if the hepatitis B vaccine is given to adolescents and young adults, some will develop multiple sclerosis following receipt of the vaccine. For some, onset of multiple sclerosis could follow soon after receipt of the vaccine and appear to be related. But the only way to determine whether the hepatitis B vaccine caused multiple sclerosis would be to determine the incidence of multiple sclerosis in those who had received the vaccine and the incidence in those who hadn't received the vaccine.

Several studies have been performed to answer this question, and all have reached the same conclusion: the incidence of multiple sclerosis was the same in those who received the hepatitis B vaccine and those who hadn't.

So, why is the hepatitis B vaccine blamed for all these problems? When children or adults suffer, we search desperately for a cause. If we can find a clear, discrete cause, then at least we can help other people avoid what we have suffered. No clear cause for multiple sclerosis, autism, violent behavior, sudden infant death syndrome, hyper-activity, Alzheimer's disease, and many cancers have been found. It's frustrating. And vaccines are an easy target. But venting our frustrations by blaming vaccines, in the absence of any clear evidence that vaccines are the problem, will only endanger our children.

CONCERN: Vaccines cause diabetes.

One researcher claimed that infants immunized with a single dose of the Hib vaccine at fourteen months of age were less likely to get diabetes than if they received four doses of the Hib vaccine at three, four, six, and fourteen months of age. He concluded that the risk of diabetes could be reduced if children did not receive vaccines at a young age. Some parents have seen this information and chosen to wait until their children are two years of age to have them immunized. This is unfortunate, because some vaccine-preventable diseases, such as Hib, pneumococcus, and pertussis, occur commonly in the first two years of life.

A careful review of the data, however, found that the analytic methods used in that study were incorrect. In addition, a ten-year follow-up study showed that the incidence of diabetes was the same in those who had been immunized early and in those who had been immunized later. Further, a recent study by the CDC found that the incidence of diabetes was the same in vaccinated as in unvaccinated children. So, no evidence exists to support the notion that vaccines should be delayed.

CONCERN: The DTP vaccine causes a disease that looks like "shaken baby" syndrome.

Small children who are shaken forcefully in rage can develop bleeding around the brain (subdural hematomas) and bleeding on the back of the eye (retinal hemorrhages). Some lawyers have chosen to defend people accused of abusing children by saying that bleeding was caused by the pertussis component of the DTP vaccine. However, no evidence exists to support this contention. Neither pertussis nor the pertussis vaccine cause bleeding around the brain or on the back of the eye—only forceful shaking does this.

CONCERN: The polio vaccine is the cause of AIDS.

Tom Curtis wrote an article in Rolling Stone magazine claiming that the origin of AIDS could be traced to polio virus vaccines that were administered in the Belgian Congo between 1957 and 1960. The explanations behind this assertion were as follows: (1) All virus vaccines are made in cells, (2) the polio virus vaccine was grown in monkey kidney cells, (3) monkey kidney cells used at that time contained a virus (simian immunodeficiency virus, or SIV) similar to the virus that causes AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV), and (4) people were inadvertently inoculated with SIV, which then mutated to HIV and caused the AIDS epidemic.

This reasoning is confounded by several false assumptions. First, although monkeys can be infected by SIV, a disease similar to HIV, SIV is not found in kidney cells. Second, SIV and HIV, although their spelling is very similar, are not genetically very close; mutation to one from the other would require centuries, not years. Third, SIV and HIV, although deadly viruses, are fairly fragile. Both of these viruses, if given by mouth (in a manner similar to the oral polio vaccine), would be rapidly destroyed by the enzymes and acids in the mouth and stomach. Last, original lots of the polio vaccine were recently tested for the presence of HIV using very sensitive tests that were not available in the late 1950s. These tests, called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, are used today to diagnose HIV infection in children, adolescents, and adults. No HIV was present in any of those lots.

CONCERN: The polio virus vaccine is contaminated with a virus that causes cancer.

It is true that early lots of the polio vaccine used in the late 1950s and early 1960s were contaminated with a monkey virus called simian virus 40, or SV40. Recently, investigators found evidence for the presence of SV40 virus in a type of cancer called lymphoma. However, several facts should be noted. First, SV40 was present in cancers of people who either had or had not received the polio vaccine that was contaminated with SV40. Second, SV40 has not been present in any vaccine since the early 1960s. Third, people with lymphoma who were born after SV40 was no longer a contaminant of the polio vaccine were found to have evidence for SV40 in their cancerous cells. Taken together, these findings suggest that SV40 may be associated with some cancers, but that the virus is transmitted to people by a mechanism other than vaccines.

CONCERN: Vaccines may contain the agent that causes "mad-cow" disease.

On February 8, 2001, the New York Times published an article entitled "Five Drug Makers Use Material with Possible Mad-Cow Link." This article followed a Public Health Service statement on December 22, 2000, in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). MMWR is written by the CDC. The New York Times article and CDC report were prompted by the confluence of several events. First, as of July 2000, about 175,000 cows in the United Kingdom developed a disease called "mad-cow" disease—a progressive disease of the nervous system of cattle. Second, at least seventy-three people in the United Kingdom developed a progressive neurological disease called variant Creutzfeld-Jakob disease (vCJD) that may have resulted from eating meat prepared from cows with "mad-cow" disease. Third, some vaccines are made with serum or gelatin obtained from cows in England or from countries at risk for "mad-cow" disease.

What causes progressive neurological diseases such as "mad-cow" disease or vCJD?

vCJD is caused by an unusual protein called a prion (proteinaceous infectious particle). Prions are found in the brains of cows with "mad-cow" disease and in the brains of humans with vCJD. Prions can also be found in the spinal cord and in the back of the eye (retina).

However, blood from infected animals or blood from infected people has never been shown to be a source of infection to humans.

If prions are found only in the brain and spinal cord, why did people in England get vCJD after eating meat from cows?

The likely source of prions for people in England was hamburger, not steak, prepared from cows. Hamburger may be prepared in a manner that includes the spinal cord. Steak, on the other hand, represents only the muscles of cows and, therefore, does not contain prions.

Why do vaccines contain materials derived from cows?

Viral vaccines are weakened forms of natural viruses. Some viral vaccines are made by "growing" viruses in specialized cells in the laboratory. Many growth factors are needed for cells to grow. An excellent source of these growth factors is serum obtained from the fetuses of cows (known as fetal bovine serum). Fetal bovine serum is a naturally filtered source of growth factors. The natural filter is the bovine placenta. Whereas the human placenta contains one and a half layers that separate the mother's blood from fetal blood, the bovine placenta contains six layers. Many proteins are excluded from the bovine fetal circulation by these six layers (for example, bovine fetal blood contains 1/500 of the antibodies found in bovine maternal blood).

Another product from animals (cows or pigs) that may be used in vaccines is gelatin. Gelatin is a protein formed by boiling skin or connective tissue (for example, hooves). Gelatin is used to stabilize vaccines so that they remain effective after manufacture.

Do vaccines that have been exposed to bovine materials during manufacture pose a risk for transmission of vCJD?

To answer this question, let's go through each step of the manufacturing process.

Cows with "mad-cow" disease have prions in their brain, spinal cord, and retina. However, prions are not detected in their blood, skin, or connective tissue.

Fetal bovine serum is used in the manufacture of vaccines. Fetal bovine serum is obtained from fetal blood, and blood is not a source of infection with prions. In addition, although cows "share" their blood with their unborn calves, the bovine placenta is a natural filter. Maternal-fetal transmission of prions has never been documented in animals.

Fetal bovine serum is highly diluted and eventually removed from cells during the growth of vaccine viruses.

Prions are propagated in mammalian brains and not in cell culture used to make vaccines. Therefore, prions are unlikely to be propagated in the cells used to grow vaccine viruses.

Gelatin is also used in the manufacture of vaccines. Gelatin is added to vaccines at the end of the manufacturing process. However, gelatin is made from materials (skin and connective tissue) that do not contain prions. In addition, the preparation of gelatin often includes heat sterilization or treatment with organic solvents. It is likely that these treatments would inactivate prions.

Transmission of prions occurs from either eating brains from infected animals or, in experimental studies, from directly inoculating preparations of brains from infected animals into the brains of experimental animals. Transmission of prions has not been documented after inoculation into the muscles or under the skin (routes used to vaccinate).

When you put all these factors together, the chance that currently licensed vaccines contain prions is essentially zero.

If vaccines pose no risk for progressive neurological diseases, why is the Public Health Service choosing to eventually eliminate bovine-derived materials obtained from countries at risk for "mad-cow" disease?

The Public Health Service is interested in maintaining the public's trust in immunizations. They are concerned that the public may fear that vaccines containing bovine materials from countries at risk for "mad-cow" disease could potentially transmit this disease to children. So they have taken the precautionary steps of eventually eliminating the use of these materials in the production of vaccines. However, the facts about prion transmission should reassure us that it is essentially impossible for currently licensed vaccines to contain prions.

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I would humbly request to all my internet Jihadi to stop BSing about medicine if they don't know how it works and what is truth! They assume that Prof. Dr. Google is always right! I would recoomend to all those ignorant to take classes and read what has been posted carefully and read from teh actual published studies in journals rather then Google video and propaganda websites :wacko:

I ask any one who wish to debate on medicine, please BRING ACTUAL STUDY PUBLISHED IN SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS........

It is warring for all the readers at SC that we got......

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For internet jihadi against medicine!

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Of course you do! And do you know what happens? The natural triggers of the immune system are suppressed - and as they are suppressed and bypassed - these natural triggers of the immune system end up NOT recognizing that the body is being invaded at all and the overall immune system is ruined. This is why people become dependent upon vaccines - because the only way to try to stimulate their immune system, once its natural functioning has been suppressed via vaccination, is to, yes, get more vaccines and try to jump start them! Of course, over time, even the vaccines do not work as the internal condition of the body basically disintegrates and doesn't respond at all. That was the point of pushing vaccinations all along.

The internal immune defenses, via vaccines, are only triggered once the injected substances have DIRECTLY invaded the bloodstream resulting in the immediate alteration of your chromosomes, dna, as well as directly attacking the organs. The entire response of the body to vaccines is chaotic and results in destruction.

Again, ask yourself what happens when your home security system is bypassed and a home invader just steps right into your home without the strong, natural defenses kicking in. You only start trying to defend yourself once they've already tied you up and have a gun to your head! The entire point of the natural defense triggers is to avoid this very scenario where the virus directly goes into the blood stream and can destroy you directly without a coordinated, immune system response. Once you 'vaccinate' and bypass this 'warning/defense system' with the attending, wholistic 'coming to life' of the immune system BEFORE a virus can actually can get directly into your bloodstream, you've just placed yourself in a position of weakness and your body's ability to fight off viruses, disease, and other deliterious conditions is reduced drastically.

Dr - I apologize for the harshness of sections of my above posts, but you really ought to take a step back and think more clearly about what it is you're promoting. You are essentially advocating that people willingly kill themselves.

Okay so I haven't read this entire thread, but the posts that I did read were quite amusing.

Vaccines aren't always made up of the virus itself. The HPV vaccine, for example, is made up of the protein surrounding the virus, which the immune system identifies as the microorganism when on fact there's no virus at all, just the outside of it. So you can't get sick with HPV after the shot, and your body generates antibodies after exposure.

I will expand upon this. So the body generates antibodies against the protein surrounding the virus. But you don't get sick with the vaccine because the vaccine only contains parts of the virus, not the entire virus. So next time your body encounters those proteins surrounding the virus, it's probably going to encounter it when it's attached to an actual virus. So your body already has antibodies that it can use to fight this virus. Makes sense? So the vaccines work with the body's natural defenses. Your body's natural defenses are not suppressed, but rather, strengthened.

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^No matter the speculations about the supposed dangers of vaccines from the micro perspective, there is no doubt that when you look at the macro perspective, communities and societies have been helped tremendously. There are numerous charts and graphs that indicate a decline in clinical disease, but these are mainly for industrialized countries, where the vaccinations happen to be availible. Obviously it would be ideal for everything to be done with natural immunity (although there are many things that already are taken care of by natural immunity, which is why a lot of infections are asymptomatic), but vaccines have to be used to fill in that gap and allow us to use our biological mechanisms the best way we can.

Also, vaccinations are important for a concept known as herd immunity, which basically says that if for example only one out of ten people are vaccinated, the chance of getting the infection for everyone is reduced, because there is one less person to potentially receive and transmit the pathogen.

And to Bro Straight Path, do you object to active vaccines only or does this extend to passive antibody immunization as well?

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I would humbly request to all my internet Jihadi to stop BSing about medicine if they don't know how it works and what is truth! They assume that Prof. Dr. Google is always right! I would recoomend to all those ignorant to take classes and read what has been posted carefully and read from teh actual published studies in journals rather then Google video and propaganda websites :wacko:

I ask any one who wish to debate on medicine, please BRING ACTUAL STUDY PUBLISHED IN SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS........

It is warring for all the readers at SC that we got......

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For internet jihadi against medicine!

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For ignorant who don't accept and understand science, stay back!

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salaam alaikum

ROFL

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salaam alaikum

ROFL

Waalaikum Salam,

^_^

salaam alaikum

Has anybody else heard about these people having chicken pox parties so they can expose their kids to chicken pox virus instead of getting the vaccine?

wa salaam

Walaikum Salam,

:unsure: Never heard of chicken pox party before :huh: One gets vaccinated for it at early childhood or if one catches it before, it is treatable but quite painful for the child :squeez: :cry:

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salaam alaikum

All of my kids have been vaccinated for it. My 2 yr old got an extremely mild case just a couple of blisters, even though he got it I still had him vaccinated. I remember having the chicken pox and it wasn't pleasent.

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If you get any adverse reactions to vaccines or drugs and you live in the UK, please report it to http://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

All drugs undergo extensive clinical trials, which are ongoing after their release, so more information helps.

Btw, chicken pox parties are the mild compared to some lengths people go to get weird illnesses. I remember reading something about people who actually wanted to get HIV.

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I would humbly request to all my internet Jihadi to stop BSing about medicine if they don't know how it works and what is truth! They assume that Prof. Dr. Google is always right! I would recoomend to all those ignorant to take classes and read what has been posted carefully and read from teh actual published studies in journals rather then Google video and propaganda websites :wacko:

I ask any one who wish to debate on medicine, please BRING ACTUAL STUDY PUBLISHED IN SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS........

It is warring for all the readers at SC that we got......

idiot%20on%20board%20stupid.jpg

For internet jihadi against medicine!

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For ignorant who don't accept and understand science, stay back!

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Quite a rude doctor aren't you?

The type that hates being questioned because they feel so insecure about the very little knowledge that they may have. Regurgitated slabs and slabs of information never educated a single soul. It just creates blind followers such as yourself. Much like the topic of religon. You can ear bash someone for as long as you want about Islam but in the end the proof is in the pudding or so to speak. My proof was in my pudding and I chose then what other pudding to eat.

You seem intent on bashing your ideas into peoples heads probably because you never enjoyed a thorough education but rather were strung up all those nights cramming [Edited Out] into your head without any intellectual thought or questioning.

Generally when one weans a baby on to food, we find healthy foods first and foremost. We then steam, or pressure cook the vegetables enough so that they are softer and moist. We may then mash or blend the vegetables until they are moist and almost liquid like. Gently we introduce foods at the same time as breastfeeding and systematically wean them off breast milk.

But no, your idea is grabbing a cucumber and ramming it down the childs throat. In your case though, I wish it was a cucumber, something generally regarded as healthy. You're just ramming broken test tubes of toxins into people and expecting them to smile, lap it up, shut up and not question your ability to cram information and then market it like a world class infomercial ad.

Congratulations on being a doctor and being so scientific if scientific means parroting information that has been published in journals courtesy of the multibillion dollar support of pharmaceutical and drug companies.

I chose the science of questioning and not blindly accepting what people with ulterior motives have to offer. The Evangelist offers you bread in exchange for a pseudo religon. You offer vaccines in exchange for pseudo health based on bogus science backed with plenty of dollars.

Keep earning your govt cheques for you high vax rates, I know I and a growing trend of sensible Muslims will not be contributing.

Diseases always come and go in cycles and patterns. Drug companies are just very clever at monitoring these patterns and as soon as declines are evident they release their magic potions and claim fame. Kinda like a fullback running the whole field past every single player and then passing the ball off 5 meters before the goal line to the winger and then the winger taking the glory for the try.

Try pushing your BS somewhere else... perhaps to your loyal patients who keep coming back and swiping their cards.

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Quite a rude doctor aren't you?

How about posts 2 and 7 to begin with... I hate rudeness and stay away from jerks, but some times I need to hit hard to shut the source of idiocy.....

The type that hates being questioned because they feel so insecure about the very little knowledge that they may have.

I always welcome intelligent debate, but when people create some thing at their own and try to shove it into people's throat as a universal truth, you gotta respond accordingly. As far a knowledge goes, people can read the entire thread and decide for themselves, I replied to all of your and Brostraighpath quires with scientific evidence, none of you ever dare to refute it scientifically just your own crated jargon. Insecurity is evident from your reply after several months when you feel pissed off at the cartoons, you replied again but void of any intelligent discussion.... Any ways I am sorry if it made you feel bad, it was intent for the idiots who don't know any thing scientific and BS as they are specialist of the field.

Regurgitated slabs and slabs of information never educated a single soul. It just creates blind followers such as yourself. Much like the topic of religon. You can ear bash someone for as long as you want about Islam but in the end the proof is in the pudding or so to speak. My proof was in my pudding and I chose then what other pudding to eat.

I am sure you didn't understood any thing as you have no darn clue of Immunology, Vaccines and Biochemistry.... I am not a blind follower of any thing, rather an experimental scientist, who believes in original research and findings not Prof. Internet propaganda. Now relax and enjoy your pudding and stop being a crying child who feels heart burning as he is unable to make his point properly :)

You seem intent on bashing your ideas into peoples heads probably because you never enjoyed a thorough education but rather were strung up all those nights cramming [Edited Out] into your head without any intellectual thought or questioning.

Alhamdo Lillah I am happy with my educational background, you need to look at your own resume and feel embraced (It is never too late for education, take my recommendation and join college for good)! I wish you had spent some time reading my post properly as I backed up every single claim made with published data and you are saying that I am deprived of intellectual thoughts. Let me ask you, out of all of your posts show me any scientific reference you brought forward? All you write that comes into your brain, regardless how stupid it is, you just type and think you made it...

Generally when one weans a baby on to food, we find healthy foods first and foremost. We then steam, or pressure cook the vegetables enough so that they are softer and moist. We may then mash or blend the vegetables until they are moist and almost liquid like. Gently we introduce foods at the same time as breastfeeding and systematically wean them off breast milk.

I think all of us are aware of this from everyday observations! By telling this, you want us to believe you are super genius :!!!:

But no, your idea is grabbing a cucumber and ramming it down the childs throat. In your case though, I wish it was a cucumber, something generally regarded as healthy.

I am sorry for your bad experience... :(

You're just ramming broken test tubes of toxins into people and expecting them to smile, lap it up, shut up and not question your ability to cram information and then market it like a world class infomercial ad.

Lolllllll, :lol: :lol: :lol: You seriously need to visit a vaccine production facility :D Vide Supra, I always reply any question with scientific reasons, it is you who never bring any proof of your claims.... :rolleyes:

Congratulations on being a doctor and being so scientific if scientific means parroting information that has been published in journals courtesy of the multibillion dollar support of pharmaceutical and drug companies.

Again you prove that you never bother to read my replies and try to learn..... I challenged you to come up with refusal of these finding and publish even better papers and earn few noble prizes.... All of the scientist around the world are stupid only you and few others like you are super smart and out of this world......

I chose the science of questioning and not blindly accepting what people with ulterior motives have to offer. The Evangelist offers you bread in exchange for a pseudo religon.

It is evident how much science you know :rolleyes:

You offer vaccines in exchange for pseudo health based on bogus science backed with plenty of dollars.

I offer knowledge, wisdom and detailed home work before making your self fool in front of whole world..... How about you highlight what is bogus science? What authority you have to call some thing bogus? I once again challenge you for scientific debate with scientific proofs, I and no other scientist will accept your metal whispers and your fantasies.....

Keep earning your govt cheques for you high vax rates, I know I and a growing trend of sensible Muslims will not be contributing.

I don't get welfare checks, I work hard to earn money from one of the best university in the world, Alhamdo Lillah..... I hope you and likes of you don't contribute any way!

Diseases always come and go in cycles and patterns.

Oh, i didn't know that.... :o

Drug companies are just very clever at monitoring these patterns and as soon as declines are evident they release their magic potions and claim fame. Kinda like a fullback running the whole field past every single player and then passing the ball off 5 meters before the goal line to the winger and then the winger taking the glory for the try.

Man seriously, you are so smart in figuring things out that none of us could guess :squeez: Why don't you write a detail letter to President Obama and leaders of the European union to let them know all of them are stupid!

Try pushing your BS somewhere else... perhaps to your loyal patients who keep coming back and swiping their cards.

I need not to teach you any thing as you have once again reveled your mental capacity..... Again, rather then trying to make me look fool, if you have had read my replies, you would have known by now that I am not an MD doctor, but a PhD...... I don't see patients, I work in a lab....:)

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