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I have a question that I wanted to ask a knowledgeable Shia scholar but I cant seem to post my question in the appropriate area.

Perhaps you all can help me.

Do the Shia consider the Baha'i faith to be Muslims? If not, why not?

Thank you!

(wasalam)

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(salam)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my knowledge, the Baha'iyeen do not accept the Qur'an, they accept Bab and Baha'ullah both as prophets (Baha'ullah being the Mehdi) as well as some other strange traditions. I've also heard that some worship their Mehdi as the incarnation of God, though I am not sure about this.

If any of the three things I have said above are true, then no, they would not be considered as Muslims, but rather a breakaway religion from Islam similar to the Qadianis and Nation of Islam.

Edited by Qa'im

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I once visited their temple in sydney and i was very impressed with the community. They were well dressed mainly families multicultural very kind ,friendly and well organised tolerent and always had respect. i wish the muslim world can adopt some of this cults traits.

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Bahaism is not a religion but a cult..

Yes, I have read now a lot of info on them. Thanks again everyone.

it seems that they mix many religions along side of some islamic this or that and have created their own religion altogether.

The reason I asked is that I heard someone say they were Muslim but then started quoting all of this Bahai stuff and I became confused as to how the two could be associated.

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The reason I asked is that I heard someone say they were Muslim but then started quoting all of this Bahai stuff and I became confused as to how the two could be associated.
They don't identify themselves as Muslim, either.

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I am amazed to see such ignorace about another religion?

  • The Bahai are indeed a separate religion than Islam eventhough the matrix of Bahaism is Shia Islam.
  • They are though much better people than any of the so-called Muslims walking around in the streets today. This is just a simple fact. They have good character and a solid moral base. They believe in pluarlism and tolerance. They do not demean anyone or belittle people.
  • They do not pride themselves on supremacist teachings either.
  • They are warm and welcoming people, which is a reflection of their beliefs.
  • They do recognize Rasulullah (pbuh) as true and the Holy Quran to have been revealed by Allah (swt).

I wonder though why they are persecuted for in Iran?

You people should pick up the book Kitab Itqan by Baha'ullah and come to have an understanding of their beliefs. The book outlines and clarifies their belief system in a way Muslims, particularily Shia Muslims can grasp.

PS, Don't start making claims that I am Bahai either, let's have some maturity in the dialouge. Now if your going to act like a dumb child then it would be better if you keep your two cents to yourself.

(salam)

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I am amazed to see such ignorace about another religion?

  • The Bahai are indeed a separate religion than Islam eventhough the matrix of Bahaism is Shia Islam.
  • They are though much better people than any of the so-called Muslims walking around in the streets today. This is just a simple fact. They have good character and a solid moral base. They believe in pluarlism and tolerance. They do not demean anyone or belittle people.
  • They do not pride themselves on supremacist teachings either.
  • They are warm and welcoming people, which is a reflection of their beliefs.
  • They do recognize Rasulullah (pbuh) as true and the Holy Quran to have been revealed by Allah (swt).

I wonder though why they are persecuted for in Iran?

You people should pick up the book Kitab Itqan by Baha'ullah and come to have an understanding of their beliefs. The book outlines and clarifies their belief system in a way Muslims, particularily Shia Muslims can grasp.

PS, Don't start making claims that I am Bahai either, let's have some maturity in the dialouge. Now if your going to act like a dumb child then it would be better if you keep your two cents to yourself.

(salam)

You always keep interchanging the word "Islam" with "Muslim" and "Bahiism" with "Bahais". People claiming a religion and the religion itself must be kept separate, unless of course you are referring to a prophet for example, and then the word can be used interchangably. Just get to the dry and bare substance of the religious teachings, not telling us about your perceptions of how nice some people are and how mean others are. That discussion gets us nowhere.

I agree, I think it is good idea that we look at some authoritative works on the religious teachings of Bahiism, see what they say, and ponder it. But when it comes down to it, we should inevitably reject it because it fails the litmus test of what the truth must hold. Also, I don't think they recognize the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the same manner we do, but probably put him in regard as a great man, very similar to how some Hindus have reverance for Imam Hussein (as), but definitely not in the same way a Muslim would. So to believe him as "true" is kind of a stretch, and at this point of my knowledge of Bahaism, I don't buy it.

Don't tell people to behave unless people they have actually misbehaved, don't demand "maturity" unless you actually see immaturity. Don't make assumptions.

And for the love of God, don't make this another Iran thread. There are far too many of these already.

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Hi

I’m a Bahai, and I did a degree in Islamic Studies, with a specialisation wherever possible in Shiah Islam.

Islamfac:

no, the Shia do not consider the Bahais to be Muslims, and the Bahais do not consider themselves as Muslims, in the sense of being part of the Islamic ummah. This is because we follow a different shariah. But in a wider sense, there is one faith of God, of which Jews, Christians, Muslims and Bahais are all part.

Qa’im:

the Bahais do accept the Quran, it is the only previous scripture that we regard as wholly authentic. We use the old and new Testaments of the Bible too, but with an awareness that they probably include some unauthentic materials.

No, Bahais do not believe in incarnation - it is explicitly rejected:

To every discerning and illumined heart it is evident that God, the unknowable Essence, the divine Being, is immensely exalted beyond every human attribute, such as corporeal existence, ascent and descent, egress and regress.

from Baha'u'llah's The Kitab-i-Iqan, para 104, the English translation is at:

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-4.html#pg98

The Persian original is at

http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/KI/ki-6.html#pg63

‘Incarnation’ is also used in a more general sense. The Bahai temple is called "that fair incarnation of the soul of an unconquerable Faith," (Shoghi Effendi, Messages to America, p. 56).

People are also said to have the noble (or bad) qualities of some historic figure, as Quratu’l-Ayn Tahirih was regarded by the Babis as "the very incarnation of Fatimih, the noblest emblem of chastity in their eyes." (Shoghi Effendi, The Dawn-Breakers, p. 294). But this is not a strict theological use of the term (that would be re-incarnation, which Bahais reject): it is a literary use, a manner of speaking. In The Merchant of Venice, when Shakespeare writes of ‘a Solomon come to judgement’ it is not reincarnation, it is just a way of saying that the lawyer concerned is very knowledgeable of the law, and applies it impartially.

Toocoool66

http://www.bahai.com/ is the official site run by the Universal House of Justice, through the Bahai International Community, which is the body that represents the Bahais in the United Nations system. http://www.bahai.com/ is just a redirect page to the first site.

Shia Engineer said:

".. I don't think they recognize the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.gif in the same manner we do, but probably put him in regard as a great man,"

Just the opposite actually. Bahais regard the Prophet as much more than man, he is a Manifestation of God, a Mazhar. In other words, Muhammad is not only a man to whom a Book of revelation is given, he is also in himself a revelation from God. His mercy shows us God’s mercy; His wisdom shows us God’s wisdom, His Patience shows us God’s patience. We believe the same of Moses, Jesus, the Bab and Baha’u’llah. It is because the Bahais believe that the person of the Manifestation is a revelation, that some Muslims have said the Bahais believe in divine incarnation. We also believe that the creation (including us poor mortals) is a revelation of the names and attributes of God.

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(salam)

Welcome to the forums brother :)

That's what confuses Muslims - how your prophets, such as Baha'ullah, are considered as "manifestations of God" and often referred to as "He" or "Him" on many Baha'i websites I've encountered. For a Muslim, to call any man a manifestation of the Almighty Creator is highly exaggerating the rank of that man.

Anyway. You say that the Qur'an is a wholly authentic scripture - is this a belief regarded by all Baha'iyeen? Because, there are verses in the Qur'an to suggest that the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is the final prophet, and the Qur'an is the perfecting touch to the way of life. Don't these verses contradict Baha'i beliefs?

Anyways thanks for the clarifications.

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That's what confuses Muslims - how your prophets, such as Baha'ullah, are considered as "manifestations of God" and often referred to as "He" or "Him" on many Baha'i websites I've encountered. For a Muslim, to call any man a manifestation of the Almighty Creator is highly exaggerating the rank of that man.

Well if your a person who has stuided some Tasawwuf and Irfan there shouldn't be an issue. The Bahai faith had roots in the Rashidiyya Tariqah of the Shia (if my memory serves me correct).

Anyway. You say that the Qur'an is a wholly authentic scripture - is this a belief regarded by all Baha'iyeen? Because, there are verses in the Qur'an to suggest that the Prophet Muhammed is the final prophet, and the Qur'an is the perfecting touch to the way of life. Don't these verses contradict Baha'i beliefs?

The Bahai do consider the Holy Quran to be authentic and do quote from it profusely in their writings.

"There is no God but One God, and all the Messengers, from the

beginning to the Seal of the Prophets (Muhammad) were sent

on the part of the True One!" -Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of the Divine Plan, page 79

Baha'u'llah wrote:

" ...how many are those who, through failure to understand its meaning, have allowed the term "Seal of the Prophets" to obscure their understanding, and deprive them of the grace of all His manifold bounties! Hath not Muhammad, Himself, declared: "I am all the Prophets?" Hath He not said as We have already mentioned: "I am Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus?" Why should Muhammad, that immortal Beauty, Who hath said: "I am the first Adam" be incapable of saying also: "I am the last Adam"? For even as He regarded Himself to be the "First of the Prophets" - that is Adam - in like manner, the "Seal of the Prophets" is also applicable unto that Divine Beauty. It is admittedly obvious that being the "First of the Prophets," He likewise is their "Seal."

The mystery of this theme hath, in this Dispensation, been a sore test unto all mankind. Behold, how many are those who, clinging unto these words, have disbelieved Him Who is their true Revealer. What, We ask, could this people presume the terms "first" and "last" - when referring to God - glorified be His Name! - to mean? If they maintain that these terms bear reference to this material universe, how could it be possible, when the visible order of things is still manifestly existing? Nay, in this instance, by "first" is meant no other than the "last" and by "last" no other than the "first."

Even as in the "Beginning that hath no beginnings" the term "last" is truly applicable unto Him who is the Educator of the visible and of the invisible, in like manner, are the terms "first" and "last" applicable unto His Manifestations. They are at the same time the Exponents of both the "first" and the "last." Whilst established upon the seat of the "first," they occupy the throne of the "last." Were a discerning eye to be found, it will readily perceive that the exponents of the "first" and the "last," of the "manifest" and the "hidden," of the "beginning" and the "seal" are none other than these holy Beings, these Essences of Detachment, these divine Souls. And wert thou to soar in the holy realm of "God was alone, there was none else besides Him," thou wilt find in that Court all these names utterly non-existent and completely forgotten. Then will thine eyes no longer be obscured by these veils, these terms, and allusions. How ethereal and lofty is this station, unto which even Gabriel, unshepherded, can never attain, and the Bird of Heaven, unassisted, can never reach!" -Baha'u'llah, Kitab-i-Iqan, pages 162-164

Source: http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/seal-p.htm

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Bahaullah claimed to be Allah more than once. Weird that people with degrees in Islamic Science are not aware of that.

It is now time to consider the Bahaii beliefs regarding God. These are just a few examples highlighting the Bahai beliefs which are in contrast to those of the earlier faiths, particularly Islam.

1. It is mentioned in the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics under the title 'Bab', that the Bahais called Mirza Alimohammed Bab as "Rabbi-ul-Ala (The Most Elevated Lord) and Bahaullah as "Haqqe Taála (The True God).

2. Bahaullah mentions in Aqdas, page 43, "There is no God but I the Honoured , the Wise".

3. He again writes in Aqdas, page 144 "Accept whatever is commanded by Baha (himself) the Lord of Eternity".

4. In Aqdas, page 8, "We have sent down all the Messengers and we have revealed all the Books".

5. In Istadaaraat, page 34, Bahaullah writes, "The Master of Eternity lies in prison".

6. In his Tablets, Page 217, Bahaullah writes, "All save me are created from my command".

7. In his Al-Mubeen, page 34, Bahaullah writes "All praise is for you O Bahaullah, the Creator of existence".

8. In the same book, page 190, he says, "Obey the commands of your Elevated, Splendorous God, Bahaullah.

9. Again in Al-Mubeen, page 297, he again refers to himself as, "You Most beneficent Lord, Bahaullah",

10. In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, Bahaullah decrees, "Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone".

11. Abdul Baha writes in Badaaiul Aasaar, page 139, Bahaullah is unique, Incomparable. It is necessary for everyone to turn towards Bahaullah in his prayers. (View the page online)

12. In Maftoon, page 15, Bahaullah writes to his son Abdul Baha, "This s a letter from Allah, the Honoured and the Wise (Bahaullah) to Allah the Gracious, the Aware (Abdul Baha)." This is interesting - one God greets another one!

http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bahai05.html

May Allah keep us on the right path and save us from deviations and misguidance after guidance.

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2. Bahaullah mentions in Aqdas, page 43, "There is no God but I the Honoured , the Wise".

3. He again writes in Aqdas, page 144 "Accept whatever is commanded by Baha (himself) the Lord of Eternity".

4. In Aqdas, page 8, "We have sent down all the Messengers and we have revealed all the Books".

The first of the quotes you refer to must be this:

"Verily, no God is there but Me, the Powerful, the

Mighty, the All-Subduing, the Most Exalted, the

Omniscient, the All-Wise." In truth, there is no God

but Him, the Omnipotent Ruler of the worlds. Were it

His Will, He would, through but a single word

proceeding from His presence, lay hold on all

mankind." - Aqdas para 132

The second I cannot find in the Aqdas at all.

the third must be this one I think:

"Such is the teaching which God

bestoweth on you, a teaching that will deliver you from

all manner of doubt and perplexity, and enable you to

attain unto salvation in both this world and in the next.

He, verily, is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Bountiful.

He it is Who hath sent forth the Messengers, and sent

down the Books to proclaim "There is none other God

but Me, the Almighty, the All-Wise". "

Doesn't the Quran say similar things? For example in the Surah of the Bee:

He sends down the angels with the Spirit at His bidding upon whom He will of His servants (to say), 'Give warning that there is no god but Me; Me therefore do ye fear.' He created the heavens and the earth in truth! Exalted be He above that which they join with Him!

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 16 - The Bee)

Among the other books you quote is Istadaarat. I've never heard of this, and I edit the Leiden Bibliography of the Writings of Baha'u'llah. So if he wrote a book I've never heard of, I would really like to know the details and get a copy.

The reference to Tablets page 217 must be this one:

For what crime didst thou sting the children of the Apostle of God, and pillage their possessions? Hast thou denied Him Who created thee by His command 'be, and it was'? Thou hast dealt with the children of the Apostle of God as neither Ad hath dealt with Hud, nor Thamud with Salih, nor the Jews with the Spirit of God, the Lord of all being.

(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 214)

The three references to kitab-al mubin I cannot locate. There is a book by this title, but are these texts really in it?

The book is available electronically at http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/ under athar-e Qalam-e 'ala volume 1 (kitab-al mubin is the editor's title for this collection). I looked for your references but did not find them.

According to your references, the name Baha'u'llah should appear 3 times in this book, but I searched on baha through the text, and found not a single example of the name Baha'u'llah.

In Tajalli number 4, the words you refer to are not from Baha'u'llah, but from the Bab. Baha'u'llah quotes these exaggerated words to show how important the next revelation would be, in the eyes of the Bab.

Your reference to the book "maftoon" by Abdu'l-Baha is puzzling.

I do not know this book, and it is not among those listed here: http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/

~ Sen McGlinn

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McGlinn, Baha'ullah claimed to be God and also just a messenger of God, in the same breath. What can you expect from a liar?

Shoghi Effendi who was given authority by the Baha'is to interpret Baha'ullah's writings, in his God Passes By, states:

Baha'is recognize Baha'u'llah "as the Judge, the Lawgiver and Redeemer of all mankind, as the Organizer of the entire planet, as the Unifier of the children of men, as the Inaugurator of the long-awaited millennium, as the Originator of a new "Universal Cycle," as the Establisher of the Most Great Peace, as the Fountain of the Most Great Justice, as the Proclaimer of the coming of age of the entire human race, as the Creator of a new World Order, and as the Inspirer and Founder of a world civilization.

To Israel He was neither more nor less than the incarnation of the "Everlasting Father," the "Lord of Hosts" come down "with ten thousands of saints"; to Christendom Christ returned "in the glory of the Father," to Shi'ah Islam the return of the Imam Husayn; to Sunni Islam the descent of the "Spirit of God" (Jesus Christ); to the Zoroastrians the promised Shah-Bahram; to the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna; to the Buddhists the fifth Buddha.

In the name He bore He combined those of the Imam Husayn, the most illustrious of the successors of the Apostle of God - the brightest "star" shining in the "crown" mentioned in the Revelation of St. John - and of the Imam Ali, the Commander of the Faithful, the second of the two "witnesses" extolled in that same Book. He was formally designated Baha'u'llah, an appellation specifically recorded in the Persian Bayan, signifying at once the glory, the light and the splendor of God, and was styled the "Lord of Lords," the "Most Great Name," the "Ancient Beauty," the "Pen of the Most High," the "Hidden Name," the "Preserved Treasure," "He Whom God will make manifest," the "Most Great Light," the "All-Highest Horizon," the "Most Great Ocean," the "Supreme Heaven," the "Pre-Existent Root," the "Self-Subsistent," the "Day-Star of the Universe," the "Great Announcement," the "Speaker on Sinai," the "Sifter of Men," the "Wronged One of the World," the "Desire of the Nations," the "Lord of the Covenant," the "Tree beyond which there is no passing." He derived His descent, on the one hand, from Abraham (the Father of the Faithful) through his wife Katurah, and on the other from Zoroaster, as well as from Yazdigird, the last king of the Sasaniyan dynasty. He was moreover a descendant of Jesse, and belonged, through His father, Mirza Abbas, better known as Mirza Buzurg - a nobleman closely associated with the ministerial circles of the Court of Fath-'Ali Shah - to one of the most ancient and renowned families of Mazindaran.

Continued here.

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Salaamun Alikum:

My replies below:

The Bahai Faith is nothing but a tool which was created by the West to combat the rise of Islam in the Middle East and to divide the Muslims. The Qadiani religion is pretty much the same. The difference being that the Bahai Faith created a "new prophet" in Shiah Islam and Qadiani Faith created one in the Sunni Islam.

Both religions claim that their founders were sent by Allah - though they are unable to establish anything from the Quran. Or traditions.

They both pick out verses from the Quran and deny traditions which poke holes in their interpretation of the Quran

What is relavant to this discussion that Bahais may appear polite and courteous on the outside, but ask them some tough questions and then you know how abusive they can get! Ask me, I run www.bahaiawareness.com which asks serious questions to the Bahais and I know what kind of feedback I receive from them.

I am happy to answer questions on the Bahai Faith. Do visit my web site www.bahaiawareness.com for more info on the true nature of the Bahai Faith

Regards

Imran Shaykh

I am amazed to see such ignorace about another religion?

  • The Bahai are indeed a separate religion than Islam eventhough the matrix of Bahaism is Shia Islam.
  • They are though much better people than any of the so-called Muslims walking around in the streets today. This is just a simple fact. They have good character and a solid moral base. They believe in pluarlism and tolerance. They do not demean anyone or belittle people.
  • They do not pride themselves on supremacist teachings either.
  • They are warm and welcoming people, which is a reflection of their beliefs.
  • They do recognize Rasulullah (pbuh) as true and the Holy Quran to have been revealed by Allah (swt).

I wonder though why they are persecuted for in Iran?

You people should pick up the book Kitab Itqan by Baha'ullah and come to have an understanding of their beliefs. The book outlines and clarifies their belief system in a way Muslims, particularily Shia Muslims can grasp.

PS, Don't start making claims that I am Bahai either, let's have some maturity in the dialouge. Now if your going to act like a dumb child then it would be better if you keep your two cents to yourself.

(salam)

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Salaams,

I found this from TALK.RELIGION.BAHAI

A Discussion Forum of Baha'is

Very Important & Informative.

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

FAQ (frequently asked questions) - new material added at bottom

== The following will be periodically re-posted==

Start HERE (Sourcewatch):

Baha'i Faith

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

A SPY AGENCY WORKING FOR BAHA'IS ON THE INTERNET

Search "Baha'i Internet Agency" on

http://www.sourcewatch.org/

Then see,

SECTS OF BAHAIS:

A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects,

http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

&

Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:

BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...06&hl=en-AU

LAWSUIT FIGHT BETWEEN DIFFERENT SECTS OF BAHA'IS

US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by

the Haifan Bahai organization against them:

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision

http://www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,

Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,

Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,

Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,

Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding

2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning ignorance

3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues

4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind, biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to the main issue exposed)

5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer, i.e. shoot the messenger

6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

-

See as well Sourcewatch article

-

THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION

See Susan Stiles Maneck,

http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm

WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

QUOTE

"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í

principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

-

BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM

QUOTE

"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their

own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been

given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of

Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai

Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:

http://media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sund...r_Murphy_Rema...

BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN -- Monday, September 23, 2001

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm

Quote

"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our

individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the

end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in

the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal

convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is

supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent

to the Teachings of the Faith."

http://www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html

NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,

BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,

1914

&

BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,

1914-1915.

at,

http://wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidoc...sternsources%29

See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH

http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

BAHA'I SCAM-ARTISTRY & FRAUD IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: A Multi-

Milliard Rial Scam* By A Baha’i Company in Dubai

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...8df7dca08d52ce#

FBI raids office of Baha’i at Univ. Florida

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...b8eb9f1758c241b

BAHAI BUSINESS PRACTICES IN THE USA

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...706298e9a9cd6f#

BAHAI SPY RING IN INDIA BUSTED

http://groups.google.com.au/group/soc.cult...8727004d825a589

&

BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural

features of Bahai Stalinism)

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...36c4cedf90dea5b

Note

Baha'u'llah Says : On the Critics of the Cause In Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355

http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)

Chapter 11

The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins

with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the

protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn

'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which

is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the

perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi

lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state',

i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate

conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell

[asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by

'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND

ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies:

Ottawa, 1990), p.23

O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily

whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

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Note Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is he knew

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by

William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and

Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep

to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying

undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the

leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has

proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and

have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I

have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in

the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a

doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime

known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and

Hamadan.

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See

William McElwee Miller *THE BAHA'I FAITH: It's History and Teachings

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/a...ee%20Miller.htm

Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, BROKEN SILENCE

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/a...okenSilence.pdf

Vance Salisbury, AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-

CENTURY BAHA'I LITERATURE

http://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html

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See as well,

http://www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

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Guest Zain R

The Bahais in my town are amazing people and very well-read, and as there is NO Shia community or center where I live, nearest is 3 1/2 hours away in Chicago.
(There are 3 mosques all Salafi/Wahhabi... where is no mention of the Prophet's birthday, and Ashura is when Moses crossed the Red Sea, no mention of Hussain...)
I'm sorry to say I will have to take a leave from the Sunnis altogether and join the Bahai community as I feel they are closer to Shias than Sunnis are.

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7 hours ago, Guest Zain R said:

I'm sorry to say I will have to take a leave from the Sunnis altogether and join the Bahai community as I feel they are closer to Shias than Sunnis are.

On the basis that they do not consider themselves to be Muslims to begin with I am not entirely sure what your 'joining their community' is supposed to achieve.

If you are simply looking for a 'community', can't you just visit the local old folks home and provide them with some company?

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11 hours ago, Guest Zain R said:

The Bahais in my town are amazing people and very well-read, and as there is NO Shia community or center where I live, nearest is 3 1/2 hours away in Chicago.
(There are 3 mosques all Salafi/Wahhabi... where is no mention of the Prophet's birthday, and Ashura is when Moses crossed the Red Sea, no mention of Hussain...)
I'm sorry to say I will have to take a leave from the Sunnis altogether and join the Bahai community as I feel they are closer to Shias than Sunnis are.

:salam:

Today I wanted to go to the pharmacy.

But since the pharmacy was closed I went to the bakery and asked for some meat. Finally they pointed out the butcher's shop so I could buy myself the good steak I wanted.

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11 hours ago, Guest Zain R said:

(There are 3 mosques all Salafi/Wahhabi... where is no mention of the Prophet's birthday, and Ashura is when Moses crossed the Red Sea, no mention of Hussain...)
I'm sorry to say I will have to take a leave from the Sunnis altogether and join the Bahai community as I feel they are closer to Shias than Sunnis are.

Their theology is irreconcilable with ours, even if they commemorate Ashura while the Sunnis don't. This community apostatized from the body of Shias along with their leaders. I'm not saying persecution of them is alright but that they aren't Shias and they shouldn't be thought of as such. 

Edited by Ibn Al-Ja'abi

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Ayatollah Alavi Gorgani:‎

Deviant cults waiting to ambush youth

https://en.abna24.com/news//deviant-cults-waiting-to-ambush-youth_995859.html

December 23, 2019 - 3:41 PM News Code : 995859 Source : RasaLink: 

Deviant cults waiting to ambush youth

 

The prominent teacher in the Islamic Seminary of Qom referred to the enemies’ ‎attempts to promote deviant sects in Islamic society and emphasized the necessity of ‎teaching the Shi’ah beliefs and theology to the youth.‎

Speaking to a group of members of the Critique and Review of Baha’ism Group, ‎Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Ali Alavi Gorgani emphasized on a comprehensive ‎confrontation against false beliefs and sects and stated, “We must always strengthen ‎our strongholds against false religions and not let our children to be deviated.”‎

The prominent teacher in the Islamic Seminary of Qom referred to the widespread ‎efforts by deviated sects, such as Baha’ism, and said, “During all ages there have been ‎deviated sects and they also exist in the present time. Even during the time of the ‎beloved Prophet Muhammad, there are some individuals who made claims of ‎prophethood or other claims and misled people.” ‎

Ayatollah Alavi Gorgani emphasized, “Human beings never become calm and there are ‎always those who seek to deviate society and it’s our duty to not to allow our children ‎to be deviated. For this reason, I believe the best way to succeed in this path is to be ‎properly educated and if we speak with logic, it has much greater influence.”‎

In another part of his remarks, His Eminence referred to the verse of the Holy Qur'an: ‎‎“Say, ‘Produce your evidence, should you be truthful’” [2:111] and mentioned, “The ‎Holy Qur'an tells the disbelievers and those who have deviated from the path of ‎righteousness that if they speak truthfully, they must explain with proof and logic. The ‎fact is that if we can move forward with reason and logic, no one can speak and ‎question and undermine the basic tenets of our religion.”‎

He pointed to the need to invest in the younger generation and the need for financial ‎support from institutions for this purpose and added, “We need to create defences for ‎our beliefs among our children and explain deviated sects, such as Wahhabism and ‎Baha’ism, to the youth in order to prevent them from going astray in the future.”‎
‎ ‎
Ayatollah Alavi Gorgani noted, “At the beginning of the Islamic Revolution, we formed ‎a group in Tehran and explained these issues to them during a series of ideological, ‎scientific and theological discussions until they reached a point themselves and later ‎when the Tudeh Party sought to divert the youth in Tehran, we sent the same educated ‎individuals to counter them at the request of Imam Khomeyni and they made many ‎successes.”‎

 

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