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He vigorously defended their rights.

And your question shows how little you know about our Imam. Try doing some homework before you post again.

Obviously I'm not talking about humane treatment even during war with them. These are part of our Islamic teachings. However if you meant 'turn the other cheek' nonsense, you're going to have to prove yourself, as these things are not part of our teachings.

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Ahlul-Ketab (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians) are given religious freedom in Iran and have also been throughout Islamic history. Bahism is not considered a valid religion and is such should not be subjected to laws of religious freedom. If any random indiviudual comes out, claims to be a Messiah, gets a few hundred followers, and tries to take over a city, should Muslim rulers simply allow its existance under the pretext of religious freedom? What if hundreds of people pop up and form these "religions". Where does it stop?

From discussion I've had in the past, Buddhism isn't considered a "valid religion". Does religion need recognition from the state to be valid?

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It does not have to do with being a valid religion.

They are a political movement that popped up during British and French colonial times, during a time when the Middle east and North africa as a region was being cut up and divided into different countries and sects etc. to keep them fighting after the British and french leave. Since Iran is almost entirely Shiite and unwilling to accept Sunnism something original had to be made up, to include Shiism into something refreshing. Many Iranian intellectuals have written about their history and why they should be outlawed. This includes Anti-Islamic, Secular as well as Islamic intellectuals.

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It does not have to do with being a valid religion.

They are a political movement that popped up during British and French colonial times, during a time when the Middle east and North africa as a region was being cut up and divided into different countries and sects etc. to keep them fighting after the British and french leave. Since Iran is almost entirely Shiite and unwilling to accept Sunnism something original had to be made up, to include Shiism into something refreshing. Many Iranian intellectuals have written about their history and why they should be outlawed. This includes Anti-Islamic, Secular as well as Islamic intellectuals.

You have quite an imagination, have you ever thought about speech writting for Ahmadinejad or science fiction?

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At present, Bahais are not allowed many basic civic rights, such as entrance to University education.

"Many basic rights" but not all? Oh, you mean like second class citizens.

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You have quite an imagination, have you ever thought about speech writting for Ahmadinejad or science fiction?

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"Many basic rights" but not all? Oh, you mean like second class citizens.

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Why don't you try to have an opinion of your own for once, and not being a prude in your endless of "rhetorical" questions.

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The government does not consider them official citizens if they openly claim they are Bahai's.

That is because their base is in occupied Palestine and their role as political elites in betraying Iran historically and serving the British interest. Also, many have spied for other governments.

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how can some muslims here start defending the kaffir bahaais, who have most of their shrines in israel??? next up, who knows, you'll start defending the polythiests, n homos n zionists... n the list goes on

Maybe because unlike Iran, Israel allows freedom of worship.

Not trying to defend Israel, but it is a well-known fact.

Why cry over Shi'as being persecuted in Saudi Arabia, when Iran persecutes Baha'is in the same fashion? Hypocrisy :rolleyes:

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What is your evidence ? I have first hand reports from several sources saying Bahais are not permitted in universities.

Well Bahai is a different religion, so why shouldn't they be treated like a different religion ? Why should they have to choose between "Muslim, Christian, Jewish ?"

I find it completely immoral. How would you feel if you were a Bahai ? I would be terribly offended.

Why not ?

That is nonsense. They have every right to be accepted as a separate religion.

Fine, let them do so. What is the problem with that ? Islam clearly says "To you, your faith and to me mine".

Sis/bro IloveImamHussain ... read this article http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;#entry1838164

Please consider to what degree you have accepted Islam if your principles are not Islam's principles. Islam is very clear about munafiqs and apostates from Islam, and you as a muslim should be too.

This whole bahai's in Iran debate is very useless. You have the barney-muslims who defend Baha'is without knowing what it is, just to have a wing at Iran. And then you have the Iran-haters who have too much time on their hands and keep making posts with lots of lies. It's the same thing over and over again.

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Maybe because unlike Iran, Israel allows freedom of worship.

Not trying to defend Israel, but it is a well-known fact.

Why cry over Shi'as being persecuted in Saudi Arabia, when Iran persecutes Baha'is in the same fashion? Hypocrisy :rolleyes:

The only bahais persecuted are the Israeli spies. There are 300,000 other bahais still living in Iran.

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So all the Afghani Shi'as are by default spies for Iran then? :rolleyes:

The "taliban", who were the ones who slaughtered Afghani Shi'a Muslims, were never the official government of Afghanistan (they were only recognized by their wahhabi friends in Pakistan and "Saudi" Arabia I believe). There was always resistance against the nasibi Wahhabi "Taliban"; led by the Northern Alliance and Ahmad Shah Masud (who had Iranian help). Now that there is an Afghani government, the Shi'a Muslims of Afghanistan are full, equal citizens. The Bahais are living in the Islamic Republic of Iran, thus they cannot have relations with the zionist "israeli" enemy or they are breaking the law of the Islamic Republic of Iran and thus deserve punishment.

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the relation of warshippers and educated elites with Israel is close

:lol:

I advice them to move to Australia. 70000 nerds got the "Jedi religion" recognized by their government by declaring their faith.

yes come here and join us! :D lol you nutter. it isnt recognised by the govt! we just have a sense of humour.

star_wars_35.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2218456.stm

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Maybe because unlike Iran, Israel allows freedom of worship.

Not trying to defend Israel, but it is a well-known fact.

Why cry over Shi'as being persecuted in Saudi Arabia, when Iran persecutes Baha'is in the same fashion? Hypocrisy :rolleyes:

Go ask any Baha'i you want whether he's allowed to preach the Baha'i faith in Israel.

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The "taliban", who were the ones who slaughtered Afghani Shi'a Muslims, were never the official government of Afghanistan (they were only recognized by their wahhabi friends in Pakistan and "Saudi" Arabia I believe). There was always resistance against the nasibi Wahhabi "Taliban"; led by the Northern Alliance and Ahmad Shah Masud (who had Iranian help). Now that there is an Afghani government, the Shi'a Muslims of Afghanistan are full, equal citizens. The Bahais are living in the Islamic Republic of Iran, thus they cannot have relations with the zionist "israeli" enemy or they are breaking the law of the Islamic Republic of Iran and thus deserve punishment.

I was mainly referring to the accusation by Taliban apologists who claimed that the Shi'as in Afghanistan during Taliban rule were Iranian spies and when the Iranian diplomats were killed in Mazar-i-Sharif 11 years ago, they rationalized the killings by claiming that the diplomats were acting as spies and sending weapons to Hezb-e-Wahdat.

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Iran is a Shi'a state, which means the Shi'a interpretation of the shari'a is the law.

Now, when you have someone called the Bab (the Baha'i faith sprung from Babism) claim he is Imam Mahdi in a Shi'a state when he is clearly an impostor is not just a matter of freedom of religion. The man spread fitna, and his message turned many Muslims into kafirs. If you have a state which you govern, or at least try to govern, according to the laws of Allah, you need to stop those who spread falsehood. Baha'is are, in our eyes, kafirs, and in an Islamic state you cannot let kufr be spread in the land. The Prophet destroyed every single idol, every single pagan temple, when he became the head of state. He publicly claimed that he was at war with those pagans who did not enter into a peace treaty with him. When those remaining pagans did enter into a peace treaty with the Muslims, the Prophet still did not allow any idol to be built. If you believe these measures taken by the Prophet to be right, then why do you blame Iran? The Islamic Republic is merely following this path.

Regarding Imam Ali saying "People are either your equals in faith or in humanity", well, when someone claimed Imam Ali to be God, Ameerul Mo'mineen ordered that man to be burnt. Imam Ali treated people well, but he did not let any false religion flourish under his rule, and he even resorted to capital punishment to make an example of those who did spread fitna.

The Baha'i Faith, as idealistic and appealing it may sound, is a fitna. Those who spread this fitna in a country ruled by an Islamic government must be dealt with.

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I found this from TALK.RELIGION.BAHAI

A Discussion Forum of Baha'is

Very Important & Informative.

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

FAQ (frequently asked questions) - new material added at bottom

== The following will be periodically re-posted==

Start HERE (Sourcewatch):

Baha'i Faith

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

A SPY AGENCY WORKING FOR BAHA'IS ON THE INTERNET

Search "Baha'i Internet Agency" on

http://www.sourcewatch.org/

Then see,

SECTS OF BAHAIS:

A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects,

http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

&

Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:

BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...06&hl=en-AU

LAWSUIT FIGHT BETWEEN DIFFERENT SECTS OF BAHA'IS

US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by

the Haifan Bahai organization against them:

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision

http://www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,

Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,

Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,

Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,

Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding

2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning ignorance

3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues

4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind, biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to the main issue exposed)

5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer, i.e. shoot the messenger

6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

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See as well Sourcewatch article

-

THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION

See Susan Stiles Maneck,

http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm

WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

QUOTE

"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í

principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

-

BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM

QUOTE

"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their

own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been

given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of

Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai

Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:

http://media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sund...r_Murphy_Rema...

BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm

Quote

"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our

individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the

end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in

the  greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal

convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is

supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent

to the Teachings of the Faith."

http://www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html

NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,

BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,

1914

&

BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,

1914-1915.

at,

http://wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidoc...sternsources%29

See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH

http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

BAHA'I SCAM-ARTISTRY & FRAUD IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: A Multi-

Milliard Rial Scam* By A Baha’i Company in Dubai

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...8df7dca08d52ce#

FBI raids office of Baha’i at Univ. Florida

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...b8eb9f1758c241b

BAHAI BUSINESS PRACTICES IN THE USA

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...706298e9a9cd6f#

BAHAI SPY RING IN INDIA BUSTED

http://groups.google.com.au/group/soc.cult...8727004d825a589

&

BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural

features of Bahai Stalinism)

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.rel...36c4cedf90dea5b

Note

Baha'u'llah Says : On the Critics of the Cause In Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355

http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)

Chapter 11

The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins

with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the

protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn

'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which

is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the

perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi

lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state',

i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate

conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell

[asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by

'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND

ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies:

Ottawa, 1990), p.23

O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily

whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

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Note Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is he knew

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by

William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and

Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

 "...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep

to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying

undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the

leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has

proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and

have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I

have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in

the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a

doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime

known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and

Hamadan.

-

See

William McElwee Miller *THE BAHA'I FAITH: It's History and Teachings

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/a...ee%20Miller.htm

Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, BROKEN SILENCE

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/a...okenSilence.pdf

Vance Salisbury, AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-

CENTURY BAHA'I LITERATURE

http://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html

-

See as well,

http://www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

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The Bahais are a deviant kufr sect that cannot be allowed to live in the Islamic Republic of Iran. They are not like the Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians who are all Ahlul-Kitab and can be accomdated in the Islamic state. The Bahais are out and out apostates, kaafirs, and enemies of Islam. Also many of the Bahais are agents of the Zionist "Israelis" and many western colonialist government's that want to destabilize and harm the blessed Islamic Republic of Iran.

The following is a picture of the so-called "Universal House of Justice" created by the puppet Bahais in the ethnically cleansed city of Haifa, "Israel":

Seat_of_the_House_of_Justice.jpg

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The Bahais are a deviant kufr sect that cannot be allowed to live in the Islamic Republic of Iran. They are not like the Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians who are all Ahlul-Kitab and can be accomdated in the Islamic state. The Bahais are out and out apostates, kaafirs, and enemies of Islam. Also many of the Bahais are agents of the Zionist "Israelis" and many western colonialist government's that want to destabilize and harm the blessed Islamic Republic of Iran.

The following is a picture of the so-called "Universal House of Justice" created by the puppet Bahais in the ethnically cleansed city of Haifa, "Israel"

Have then blown people up? Have they murdered innocent people? Have they been blowing up buildings in the name of religion?

You're really not much different from Wahhabis to be honest. You think anyone who are deviants should be killed, which is the same logic the Taliban used when they were slaughtering Shi'as en mass in their rule.

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