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coincidence of name "Musa ibn Jaffar" with Quran.

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This is something I've been thinking about for a while and would like to share my thoughts.

The name "Moses" had to do with being drawn out of the water.

Ex 2:10 "And she named him Moses, and said, "Because I drew him out of the water".

"drawn out" "brought out" out the "River" was the reason why Asiya (as) named him Musa (as).

Aside from the intention of Asiya (as), the name can have different meanings to do with the reality of Musa (as).

He can brought out of the Unseen Light to the outward. It can also mean he is the brought out glory.

His name would go well with the name of Harun (as) which means high peak or exalted or high. Harun (as) is about the Inward and Musa (as) is about outward. He is the brought highness. In the Unseen he is high, but is veiled in the world he is brought out to.

Now Jaffar (as) means "River". Is it coincidence, the one Musa (as) in Ahlulbayt (as) was the son of Jaffar (as) (the River), brought out from Jaffar (as), while the name "Musa" comes from being brought out the the "River".

There is another coincidence in the Quran. The place when Ahlulbayt (as) are said to the best people brought out for mankind is the same surah where it mentions "Katheemeen Ghaythahum". The nickname of Musa (as) was "Al-Kathim" and this was a trait of those whom do amer bel Maroof and nahal bel Munkar, which is the primary characteristic of being "the best people brought out".

The secret of them brought out has to do with the "middle truth". To acknowledge them as "brought out" is the middle truth.

Also, to see the Outward as brought of the Inward and united in the inward, and that they (as) are the outward as well, is the middle truth of the Imam (as) being the Light of the heavens and the earth and seeing Allah (swt) as the outward and inward. The middle creed to acknowledge the Glory of Allah's (swt) name in the outward (brought out of the Unseen) to the Inward and Inward is the Inward to the outward.

And to acknowledge the river of light and their unseen and their perfect return to Allah (swt) is of the middle creed. Them being the best of the people brought of for mankind is part of the middle creed while acknowledging there was Imams (as) brought out for mankind as well.

The Secret of the name makes us except the secret of Musa (as) and the Anbiya (as) as well, and acknowledge their Unseen. But there is more. There was extremism in that Shariah does not need to acted upon once one get's to a spiritual state. And other extremism is their is no inward to the outward. The Secret of "the brought out" and "river" acknowledges both the outward and the inward Shariah and Light at the outward and Inward.

12 divided by 2 =6

The 6th Imam (as), and 7th Imam (as) are in the middle of the "Twelve". "Thus we made you a middle nation" "you are the best people brought out for mankind".

This is some coincidences I thought I would share.

It's like the name Ali (as) hinted in Suratal Taha, it's not definitive, but it's hinted.

There is coincidence here with the "Musa ibn Jaffar" (as) and the middle creed of the secret of the Name and the coincidences of Nabi Musa (as) being called "Musa" from being brought out the "river" and Jaffar (as) means river.

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Salam,

Just wondering brother, how did this unique realization come about? In addition, do you by any chance have a good command on arabic as well? I always wondered how knowing arabic could enable me to be better apt at realizing similar connections in the Quran and tafseer.

Anyway, I better go study!

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(salam)

May Allah bless you for sharing this. I am just adding the verse where it says "Katheemeen Ghaythahum".

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Now, this is the kind of interpretation which I'd be wary of because to me, it looks like conjecture especially about the Inward and the Outward.

Besides, in the book 'Ethos of the Prophets', it is given that the name 'Musa' was given by the daughter of the Pharoah, Anisa and not his wife, Lady Aasiya (sa). It's written:

"Pharoah's daughter, called Anissa who happened to stroll on the Nile bank took the box. Opening it, she saw a three-month-old baby. Knowing that he had been thrown into Nile River for fear of Pharoah, she called him Moosa meaning, taken out of water."

Moosa, as a whole name means 'taken out/brought out/drawn out of water/river'. So that means that the meaning of the name of Imam al-Musa bin Ja'far = taken out of water, son of water/river?

Also, for this:

The 6th Imam (as), and 7th Imam (as) are in the middle of the "Twelve". "Thus we made you a middle nation" "you are the best people brought out for mankind".

This verse refers to the Ahlul Bayt (a) in general. Does your analysis mean that the sixth and the seventh Imam (a) were the best from the Aimmah (a)?

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"Pharoah's daughter, called Anissa who happened to stroll on the Nile bank took the box. Opening it, she saw a three-month-old baby. Knowing that he had been thrown into Nile River for fear of Pharoah, she called him Moosa meaning, taken out of water."

From what I read it means "drawn out". In the context of the river, it refers specifically to the river.

Moosa, as a whole name means 'taken out/brought out/drawn out of water/river'. So that means that the meaning of the name of Imam al-Musa bin Ja'far = taken out of water, son of water/river?

Even if it means that, we still have the name Jaffar (as) meaning River, so the coincidence is still there. The rest were possibilities of what the name can mean inwardly. "Brought out" to me means they are secret of God that is both hidden and manifest. The Light is brought out, but yet hidden. Remember Jibrael (as) in the outer world takes on the parable look of human and if Angels (as) were to be brought out, they would be brought as humans. The perfect human has a better Unseen than Angels (as) but he is brought out. He is both a secret and known. It can also mean they are the outward of the inward, and this goes well with the sayings of the Imams (as) that they are the light of the heavens and the earth. It just means the Glories in the outward is united in them in the inward, and it's possibility. That they are a Glory that unites on all the glory in the veils. The ayatul Kubra unites all Signs and Glory, that was makes it different then the rest of the signs. I suggested these things as mere thoughts, not as definitive interpretations. Perhaps it has different meaning then the suggested possibilities. Perhaps the suggested possibilities are all part of the intended meaning of the name.

This verse refers to the Ahlul Bayt (a) in general. Does your analysis mean that the sixth and the seventh Imam (a) were the best from the Aimmah (a)?

No, it just suggests there perhaps is this hidden wisdom in putting those two names in the middle since perhaps in acknowledging the names from many angles, you find the middle truth.

Anyways this was just thoughts I wanted to share, not saying it's definitive.

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This is called Fikr not conjecture LOL

That is why I said, to me it is conjecture. There's a difference between speculation and contemplation.

Anyway, I'm not dismissing the 'possibilites', but I'd be careful before accepting it either.

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