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The religious rift between Sunnis and Shi'ites in the Middle East, and the tension between the Arab countries, particularly the Gulf states and Egypt on the one hand, and Iran on the other hand are also manifested in Sudan-Iran relations. While the Sudanese regime maintains close ties with Iran, some Sudanese, especially those residing outside the country, have voiced concerns that Sudan may join the countries under Iranian influence. Over the past few years, there have been several uproars in the Arab press over perceived attempts by Iran to spread the Shi'a in Sudan, whose Muslim population is predominantly Sunni.(1)

Following are excerpts from two articles warning about the Shi'ization of Sudan.

Article on Sudanese Website: "Since When Are There Shi'ites In Sudan?"

In an article posted on the website Sudanese Online (www.sudaneseonline.com), which is the main site of the Sudani diaspora abroad 'Ali 'Abdallah Hassan, a Sudanese journalist living in the U.S., criticized Iran's attempts to spread the Shi'a in Sudan:

"My heart bursts with sorrow and pain when I read in the papers expressions like 'Shi'a in Sudan,' 'the spread of Shi'a in Sudan,' or 'a Shi'ite book by a Shi'ite Sudanese publisher.' I must ask: Since when are there Shi'ites in Sudan, which has been known as a purely Sunni country for hundreds of years?

"[Moreover], none of the countries bordering Sudan are Shi'ite. So how did the Shi'ite creed cross rivers and seas, to infiltrate a Sunni country in the heart of Africa?

"We must face the bitter truth and acknowledge it: We Sudanese have neglected our faith and the tenets of our religion. [We] have allowed the largest Shi'ite country in the world, [namely Iran,] to exploit our [good diplomatic] relations with it and our kind and tolerant nature in order to carry out its evil plans, which are to export its ideological revolution and spread its Shi'ite faith among the Sunni Sudanese Muslims, right under the nose of our government, sheikhs and [religious] scholars."

"[iran] Has Turned Its Embassy in Khartoum Into a Center for Spreading... the Shi'a"

"[iran] has turned its embassy in Khartoum into a center for spreading... the Shi'a, aimed at prompting the Sudanese to forsake Sunni [islam] and embrace Imami Shi'ism [instead].(2) To ensure the success of this plan, various Iranian-funded facilities have been established around the capital, including culture centers, libraries, institutions, and schools. These establishments are actually missionary centers for spreading the Shi'a...

"Many Sudanese have [indeed] embraced the Shi'a as a result of this malicious Shi'ite assault to which our Sunni Sudanese society has been exposed. In [just] a few years, more than 15,000 [sudanese] have converted to the Imami Shi'a. Moreover, in the Sufi regions of Kordofan [province], entire villages have gone over to the Shi'a, and the Shi'ite mission has [even] reached Darfur.

"Husseiniyyas,(3) [shi'ite] pilgrimage sites, and [shi'ite] mosques have sprung up in the capital and in various provinces, and the sheikhs of several Sufi orders have [recently] been seen wearing black Shi'ite turbans.

"[Moreover], some of the recent converts to the Shi'a have begun to spread Shi'ite philosophy in the capital and around the country, among students and in the large universities. Some have also begun to publish vile Shi'ite books, while other [such books] have appeared in the media and on the Internet. [Converts] have [even] found their way into the largest Sudanese website, Sudanese Online, in order to spread the Ja'fari Shi'a,(4) and malign the Sunni creed."

"A Shi'ite Entity Within Sudan Constitutes a Threat to [sudan's] National Security"

"The spread of the Shi'a in Sudan will bring [this country] nothing but crises, catastrophes, and civil war. The spread of [shi'ite] principles within the conservative Sunni Sudanese society – [principles] such as slander against the Prophet's companions, who are presented as infidels; [slander] against the mothers of the believers;(5) the sanctioning of pleasure marriages;(6) and talk about the fabrication of the Koran(7) – heralds [nothing but] internal strife and social unrest.

"It would be no exaggeration to say that the presence of a Shi'ite entity within Sudan constitutes a threat to its national security. In any Sunni state, Shi'ites represent a fifth column supporting a foreign Shi'ite force, since their loyalty lies with Iran and not with their own country. True to their faith, the Shi'ites do not recognize the legitimacy of any Islamic government except for the government of the Imams or of the great ayatollahs who have replaced them. For them, the [supreme] religious authority is not the Sudanese mufti but the ayatollahs of Qom, Najaf, and Tehran. The best example of this is [provided by] the Shi'ites of Lebanon and Iraq."

"We Should Beware of This Shi'ite Octopus in Sudan... Otherwise, the Day Will Come When We See the Tanks of the Sudanese Hizbullah Racing Through the Streets of Khartoum"

"Look at the arsenals of weapons and missiles [available to] Hizbullah in Lebanon and to the Shi'ites in Iraq. We would be justified in asking where all these weapons come from. Where do Hizbullah and the Shi'ites in Iraq get their enormous funds?

"Who is fanning the flames of sectarian civil war in Iraq by [providing] arms and funds? Who is behind the explosions that cut short the lives of innocent Iraqis day after day? Who foils every attempt at attaining stability in Iraq and resuming development there, so that its people can enjoy peace and security? Who is the one who extends his hand from across seas and rivers in order to move the [chess]men on the Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanese chessboards?

"We should beware of this Shi'ite octopus in Sudan, before it is too late – otherwise, the day will come when we see the tanks of the Sudanese Hizbullah racing through the streets of Khartoum. We will also have a Sudanese Hassan Nasrallah, who will appear on a Sudanese Al-Manar channel to warn the Sudanese government about the grave consequences of assailing the rights and achievements of the Shi'ite community…"(8)

Saudi Daily: "It Is Imperative That We Fortify the Sudanese Front, In Order To Protect [sudan] From The Iranian Embrace "

Iran's increasing infiltration of Sudan has aroused concern in other Arab countries as well, since they too feel threatened by Iran. In an article published in the Saudi Daily Al-Riyadh in the wake of the attack on Omdurman by the rebel forces,(9) Saudi columnist 'Abdallah Al-Qafari emphasized Sudan's strategic importance to the Arabs, and the danger of an increase in Iranian influence in Sudan. He wrote:

"…In terms of its geopolitical location, [sudan] borders the eastern Arab [region] on the south and on the west, and forms a continuous stretch with the Arab Horn of Africa, which is embroiled in a prolonged and difficult war. The Nile flows through its territory, and it affords an important vantage point commanding the Red Sea.

"Abandoning Sudan, which has been confronting one conspiracy after another without help, is tantamount to [subjecting] the large neighboring Arab countries, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia, to continuous danger. The Sudanese regime is not infallible; however, what Arab regime is immune to error and has no enemies? Ultimately, [the Sudan regime] is an Arab regime, which has shared interests with the neighboring Arab countries, and concurs with them on some crucial issues, [in particular,] on how to deal with the obvious threats that have [recently] begun to stir up the region.

"Sudan and Somalia constitute [two] Arab issues that have been almost forgotten, in spite of [these countries'] geopolitical and economic importance. The Arab region is deeply polarized. We are currently bearing the brunt of alliances formed by Arab countries or elements with rising powers in the region, such as Iran, that have aspirations and objectives of their own.

"[iran] is trying to build up its reputation by [launching] a nuclear program, and is capitalizing on its ties with those Arab elements, in order to protect this program, gain influence, and ensure the future of its regime.

"It is imperative that we fortify the Sudanese front, in order to protect [sudan] from the Iranian embrace, and from any other element that might try to exploit the Sudanese regime's need for support in order to instigate new a regional crisis that would threaten the Arab countries' stability and security."

"Abandoning Sudan to Contend Alone With... the Conspiracies That Have Constantly [Beset It] for the Past 20 Years – Means Jeopardizing Future Arab Security"

"Sudan today is no less important than any other Arab country embroiled in conflict. Leaving it on its own to face various movements,(10) as well as the blatant outside intervention via Darfur, would jeopardize the future of its regime – which would be extremely dangerous. Will the countries in the center [of the Arab region] survive if the periphery is hurt?...

"The Horn of Africa serves as a strategic safety buffer for the Arab countries adjacent to it, and today it is possibly [even] more important than the countries on the periphery. Sudan, with its resources of water, land, and oil, and with its promising future and strategic location, is a veritable shield for the Arab world. Abandoning Sudan to contend alone with... the conspiracies that have constantly [beset it] for the past 20 years means jeopardizing future Arab security."

Endnotes:

(1) The most recent uproar was over a group of Sudanese journalists who participated in a workshop in Iran that was organized and funded by the Iranian Embassy in Khartoum (www.islamonline.com, July 6, 2008). Also, in December 2006, the Sudanese government was forced to intervene after a commotion erupted over Shi'ite propaganda literature displayed at the Iranian booth at the Khartoum book fair.

(2) Imami, or Twelver Shi'a, is the main branch of the Shi'ite faith.

(3) Shi'ite places of worship.

(4) This is another name for the Imami Shi'a.

(5) This refers to the Prophet's wives. The writer is referring especially to 'Aisha, whom the Sunnis revere and the Shi'ites despise.

(6) Shi'ite Islam permits mut'a marriages, which are temporary marriages for purposes of pleasure.

(7) The Shi'ites claim that the Sunnis forged parts of the Koran.

(8) www.sudaneseonline.com, July 8, 2008.

(9) Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), May 19, 2008.

(10) A reference to Darfur rebel movements.

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD207908

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This is what happens when folks conveniently forget that religion and spirituality is not exempt from the policies of free market economy and where every ideology competes to attain critical mass. Its the same with Hindus in India. They are really obsessively paranoid about low caste Hindus converting out of Hinduism with fatal ramifications that even Christians are feeling the brunt of the militant Hindu backlash.

Why cant mullahs of all religions understand that polemics is a legitimate industry?

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I don't know what this guy is crying about, he seems to hate Shiites and forgets that if Sudanese decide to become Shiites, it is because they have seen something in it that Sunnism couldn't provide, it also seems this reporter doesn't even have a wikipedia or internet to notice that Shiites do not advocate slander against companions (it is even illegal in iran), do not speak of them as infidels, do not say anything about "mother of the believers" or any such nonsense

Prof. Dr. Rahimpour Azghadi was in Khartoum University, Sudan recently, he gave a lecture there about Islam and Shiísm, i'll be translating the video and publishing it soon.

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And what baffles me is that why make such a hue and cry about something so ordinary. What's Iran doing anyway apart from just sharing a cordial relation with it's neighbours? The same thing happened with Cairo's Al Azhar university shutting its doors on shia students. These kind of comments just prove how short-sighted people are and moreso, they are suffering from a gigantic problem. Massive inferiority complex.

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Article on Sudanese Website: "Since When Are There Shi'ites In Sudan?"

which is the main site of the Sudani diaspora abroad 'Ali 'Abdallah Hassan, a Sudanese journalist living in the U.S., criticized Iran's attempts to spread the Shi'a in Sudan:

This x%*%&% is living in the US, having the freedom to post his BS, practice whatever he wants, publish anything freely, but he doesn't want it for people in Sudan to have that freedom. Then, he calls himself a "Sudanese journalist living in the US".

It is like to ask him, "Since When Are There Sudanese Haters In The US?" "Since When The Salafis Are Allowed To Open Their Mosques And Publish Their Books And Convert Others In The West?"

So how did the Shi'ite creed cross rivers and seas, to infiltrate a Sunni country in the heart of Africa?

So how did your creed cross river and seas, to infiltrate a Christian country in the North America?

Inshallah Sudan will be another Nigeria to witness the huge numbers of Shia Imamia showing up their presents and slap hard such haters and Saudis' little evils to the face. And these people will have hearth attacks out of jealousy!

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sallamun alaykum

i would like to know what our sunni brothers or the salafis have to say about this post.

a country cant convert a persons mind its stupid to think so the people choose what they think is correct thats all.

ws

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So, the Salafi and Wahabbi influenced Sunnis wanna play dirty huh? Then I guess its up to the Shia and righteous Sunnis in America to make sure that we combat their filth here in this country. If they want to whine and cry about Shias in their nations, then they have no right to complain when Westerners resent them for spreading their trash in Western countries.

I'm sick and tired of playing nice - if these hypocrites want to stop the spread of Shiism in Sunni countries, then it is our duty to stop the spread of Salafi filth in all other countries, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

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tsk tsk tsk tsk

Sudan should worry more about the repurcussions of killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, not a "Shi'a Octopus". The west will bury the sudanese in their mud huts before the shi'a open bookstore chains.

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"Many Sudanese have [indeed] embraced the Shi'a ..... In [just] a few years, more than 15,000 [sudanese] have converted to the Imami Shi'a. Moreover, in the Sufi regions of Kordofan [province], entire villages have gone over to the Shi'a, and the Shi'ite mission has [even] reached Darfur.

Subhanallah!

Husseiniyyas and [shi'ite] mosques have sprung up in the capital and in various provinces, and the sheikhs of several Sufi orders have [recently] been seen wearing black Shi'ite turbans.

"[Moreover], some of the recent converts to the Shi'a have begun to spread Shi'ite philosophy in the capital and around the country, among students and in the large universities. Some have also begun to publish Shi'ite books, while other [such books] have appeared in the media and on the Internet. [Converts] have [even] found their way into the largest Sudanese website, Sudanese Online, in order to spread the Ja'fari Shi'a.

Elhumdolillah......

May Allah be with these new converts and protect them and guide them to all truth......

this is the most beautiful thing i have heard all day..... mashaAllah

we should keep them in our prayers as they will now have to fight hard in order to practice the religion openly and freely, may their trials be easy..... may all the people hear the truth of Islam......inshaAllah amin

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come out of the closet and preach your true faith. You Will you get respect if you are being yourself

Go to Sudan and tell them about the enemies of Imam Ali (umar,abu bakr

uthman. and the wives of the prophet)

Sunnis don't like liars and deceivers.

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The religious rift between Sunnis and Shi'ites in the Middle East, and the tension between the Arab countries, particularly the Gulf states and Egypt on the one hand, and Iran on the other hand are also manifested in Sudan-Iran relations. While the Sudanese regime maintains close ties with Iran, some Sudanese, especially those residing outside the country, have voiced concerns that Sudan may join the countries under Iranian influence. Over the past few years, there have been several uproars in the Arab press over perceived attempts by Iran to spread the Shi'a in Sudan, whose Muslim population is predominantly Sunni.(1)

Following are excerpts from two articles warning about the Shi'ization of Sudan.

Article on Sudanese Website: "Since When Are There Shi'ites In Sudan?"

In an article posted on the website Sudanese Online (www.sudaneseonline.com), which is the main site of the Sudani diaspora abroad 'Ali 'Abdallah Hassan, a Sudanese journalist living in the U.S., criticized Iran's attempts to spread the Shi'a in Sudan:

"My heart bursts with sorrow and pain when I read in the papers expressions like 'Shi'a in Sudan,' 'the spread of Shi'a in Sudan,' or 'a Shi'ite book by a Shi'ite Sudanese publisher.' I must ask: Since when are there Shi'ites in Sudan, which has been known as a purely Sunni country for hundreds of years?

"[Moreover], none of the countries bordering Sudan are Shi'ite. So how did the Shi'ite creed cross rivers and seas, to infiltrate a Sunni country in the heart of Africa?

"We must face the bitter truth and acknowledge it: We Sudanese have neglected our faith and the tenets of our religion. [We] have allowed the largest Shi'ite country in the world, [namely Iran,] to exploit our [good diplomatic] relations with it and our kind and tolerant nature in order to carry out its evil plans, which are to export its ideological revolution and spread its Shi'ite faith among the Sunni Sudanese Muslims, right under the nose of our government, sheikhs and [religious] scholars."

"[iran] Has Turned Its Embassy in Khartoum Into a Center for Spreading... the Shi'a"

"[iran] has turned its embassy in Khartoum into a center for spreading... the Shi'a, aimed at prompting the Sudanese to forsake Sunni [islam] and embrace Imami Shi'ism [instead].(2) To ensure the success of this plan, various Iranian-funded facilities have been established around the capital, including culture centers, libraries, institutions, and schools. These establishments are actually missionary centers for spreading the Shi'a...

"Many Sudanese have [indeed] embraced the Shi'a as a result of this malicious Shi'ite assault to which our Sunni Sudanese society has been exposed. In [just] a few years, more than 15,000 [sudanese] have converted to the Imami Shi'a. Moreover, in the Sufi regions of Kordofan [province], entire villages have gone over to the Shi'a, and the Shi'ite mission has [even] reached Darfur.

"Husseiniyyas,(3) [shi'ite] pilgrimage sites, and [shi'ite] mosques have sprung up in the capital and in various provinces, and the sheikhs of several Sufi orders have [recently] been seen wearing black Shi'ite turbans.

"[Moreover], some of the recent converts to the Shi'a have begun to spread Shi'ite philosophy in the capital and around the country, among students and in the large universities. Some have also begun to publish vile Shi'ite books, while other [such books] have appeared in the media and on the Internet. [Converts] have [even] found their way into the largest Sudanese website, Sudanese Online, in order to spread the Ja'fari Shi'a,(4) and malign the Sunni creed."

"A Shi'ite Entity Within Sudan Constitutes a Threat to [sudan's] National Security"

"The spread of the Shi'a in Sudan will bring [this country] nothing but crises, catastrophes, and civil war. The spread of [shi'ite] principles within the conservative Sunni Sudanese society – [principles] such as slander against the Prophet's companions, who are presented as infidels; [slander] against the mothers of the believers;(5) the sanctioning of pleasure marriages;(6) and talk about the fabrication of the Koran(7) – heralds [nothing but] internal strife and social unrest.

"It would be no exaggeration to say that the presence of a Shi'ite entity within Sudan constitutes a threat to its national security. In any Sunni state, Shi'ites represent a fifth column supporting a foreign Shi'ite force, since their loyalty lies with Iran and not with their own country. True to their faith, the Shi'ites do not recognize the legitimacy of any Islamic government except for the government of the Imams or of the great ayatollahs who have replaced them. For them, the [supreme] religious authority is not the Sudanese mufti but the ayatollahs of Qom, Najaf, and Tehran. The best example of this is [provided by] the Shi'ites of Lebanon and Iraq."

"We Should Beware of This Shi'ite Octopus in Sudan... Otherwise, the Day Will Come When We See the Tanks of the Sudanese Hizbullah Racing Through the Streets of Khartoum"

"Look at the arsenals of weapons and missiles [available to] Hizbullah in Lebanon and to the Shi'ites in Iraq. We would be justified in asking where all these weapons come from. Where do Hizbullah and the Shi'ites in Iraq get their enormous funds?

"Who is fanning the flames of sectarian civil war in Iraq by [providing] arms and funds? Who is behind the explosions that cut short the lives of innocent Iraqis day after day? Who foils every attempt at attaining stability in Iraq and resuming development there, so that its people can enjoy peace and security? Who is the one who extends his hand from across seas and rivers in order to move the [chess]men on the Syrian, Iraqi and Lebanese chessboards?

"We should beware of this Shi'ite octopus in Sudan, before it is too late – otherwise, the day will come when we see the tanks of the Sudanese Hizbullah racing through the streets of Khartoum. We will also have a Sudanese Hassan Nasrallah, who will appear on a Sudanese Al-Manar channel to warn the Sudanese government about the grave consequences of assailing the rights and achievements of the Shi'ite community…"(8)

Saudi Daily: "It Is Imperative That We Fortify the Sudanese Front, In Order To Protect [sudan] From The Iranian Embrace "

Iran's increasing infiltration of Sudan has aroused concern in other Arab countries as well, since they too feel threatened by Iran. In an article published in the Saudi Daily Al-Riyadh in the wake of the attack on Omdurman by the rebel forces,(9) Saudi columnist 'Abdallah Al-Qafari emphasized Sudan's strategic importance to the Arabs, and the danger of an increase in Iranian influence in Sudan. He wrote:

"…In terms of its geopolitical location, [sudan] borders the eastern Arab [region] on the south and on the west, and forms a continuous stretch with the Arab Horn of Africa, which is embroiled in a prolonged and difficult war. The Nile flows through its territory, and it affords an important vantage point commanding the Red Sea.

"Abandoning Sudan, which has been confronting one conspiracy after another without help, is tantamount to [subjecting] the large neighboring Arab countries, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia, to continuous danger. The Sudanese regime is not infallible; however, what Arab regime is immune to error and has no enemies? Ultimately, [the Sudan regime] is an Arab regime, which has shared interests with the neighboring Arab countries, and concurs with them on some crucial issues, [in particular,] on how to deal with the obvious threats that have [recently] begun to stir up the region.

"Sudan and Somalia constitute [two] Arab issues that have been almost forgotten, in spite of [these countries'] geopolitical and economic importance. The Arab region is deeply polarized. We are currently bearing the brunt of alliances formed by Arab countries or elements with rising powers in the region, such as Iran, that have aspirations and objectives of their own.

"[iran] is trying to build up its reputation by [launching] a nuclear program, and is capitalizing on its ties with those Arab elements, in order to protect this program, gain influence, and ensure the future of its regime.

"It is imperative that we fortify the Sudanese front, in order to protect [sudan] from the Iranian embrace, and from any other element that might try to exploit the Sudanese regime's need for support in order to instigate new a regional crisis that would threaten the Arab countries' stability and security."

"Abandoning Sudan to Contend Alone With... the Conspiracies That Have Constantly [beset It] for the Past 20 Years – Means Jeopardizing Future Arab Security"

"Sudan today is no less important than any other Arab country embroiled in conflict. Leaving it on its own to face various movements,(10) as well as the blatant outside intervention via Darfur, would jeopardize the future of its regime – which would be extremely dangerous. Will the countries in the center [of the Arab region] survive if the periphery is hurt?...

"The Horn of Africa serves as a strategic safety buffer for the Arab countries adjacent to it, and today it is possibly [even] more important than the countries on the periphery. Sudan, with its resources of water, land, and oil, and with its promising future and strategic location, is a veritable shield for the Arab world. Abandoning Sudan to contend alone with... the conspiracies that have constantly [beset it] for the past 20 years means jeopardizing future Arab security."

Endnotes:

(1) The most recent uproar was over a group of Sudanese journalists who participated in a workshop in Iran that was organized and funded by the Iranian Embassy in Khartoum (www.islamonline.com, July 6, 2008). Also, in December 2006, the Sudanese government was forced to intervene after a commotion erupted over Shi'ite propaganda literature displayed at the Iranian booth at the Khartoum book fair.

(2) Imami, or Twelver Shi'a, is the main branch of the Shi'ite faith.

(3) Shi'ite places of worship.

(4) This is another name for the Imami Shi'a.

(5) This refers to the Prophet's wives. The writer is referring especially to 'Aisha, whom the Sunnis revere and the Shi'ites despise.

(6) Shi'ite Islam permits mut'a marriages, which are temporary marriages for purposes of pleasure.

(7) The Shi'ites claim that the Sunnis forged parts of the Koran.

(8) www.sudaneseonline.com, July 8, 2008.

(9) Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), May 19, 2008.

(10) A reference to Darfur rebel movements.

http://www.memri.org...cgi?ID=SD207908

Now that would be a Beautiful sight to see Hezbollah Tanks rolling through Khartoum Sudan a lot of Sunni Arabs do not like to bring up or focus on the fact that Iran Hezbollah and Sudan are Allies and have been for some time now

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"We Should Beware of This Shi'ite Octopus in Sudan... Otherwise, the Day Will Come When We See the Tanks of the Sudanese Hizbullah Racing Through the Streets of Khartoum"

"Look at the arsenals of weapons and missiles [available to] Hizbullah in Lebanon and to the Shi'ites in Iraq. We would be justified in asking where all these weapons come from. Where do Hizbullah and the Shi'ites in Iraq get their enormous funds?

"

A good question indeed. :mad: No Sunni can ignore the threat posed to the Holy Lands from some entities in the North - Iraq, Syria and some elements in Lebanon. They are acting as proxies for some big power who do not have the welfare of Muslims in thier their mind and want to stir up sectarian hatred. The King should call up the Reserves. We will protect the sanctuary of the Salafiyyah aqeedah with our last pint of our blood.

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A good question indeed. :mad: No Sunni can ignore the threat posed to the Holy Lands from some entities in the North - Iraq, Syria and some elements in Lebanon. They are acting as proxies for some big power who do not have the welfare of Muslims in thier their mind and want to stir up sectarian hatred. The King should call up the Reserves. We will protect the sanctuary of the Salafiyyah aqeedah with our last pint of our blood.

Jesus! how many Salafis do you know that would oh-so-die-hard-ly protect Kashmir to the last pint of their blood? ...............Its a rhetorical question btw. People in Syria in most part are doing far better than they do in your grand father's village. Dont waste your life and simply become fuel for the flame of the international politics. A wise man once said- think globally, act locally. What you little salafi dingos are doing is the opposite- you act globally but think locally. You collide with both nature and logic. No amount of blood could protect any stupidity for stupidity runs against the design of nature. I am positive that nature will do away with the ignorance that is salafism way before those 'Northern countries'. You are products of modern international politics and merely cult followers of a trend. Both tend to be short lived btw.

bush_kisssaudi.jpg

Do you want this ^ King to call up the Reserves after which you would protect the sanctuary of Salafiyyah to the last point of your blood and fight against 'proxies for some big power who do nt have the welfare of Muslims in their mind'?

why is it that you lot aalllwwaayyss get eevveerryytthhiinngg backward?

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Jesus! how many Salafis do you know that would oh-so-die-hard-ly protect Kashmir to the last pint of their blood? ...............Its a rhetorical question btw. People in Syria in most part are doing far better than they do in your grand father's village. Dont waste your life and simply become fuel for the flame of the international politics. A wise man once said- think globally, act locally. What you little salafi dingos are doing is the opposite- you act globally but think locally. You collide with both nature and logic. No amount of blood could protect any stupidity for stupidity runs against the design of nature. I am positive that nature will do away with the ignorance that is salafism way before those 'Northern countries'. You are products of modern international politics and merely cult followers of a trend. Both tend to be short lived btw.

bush_kisssaudi.jpg

Do you want this ^ King to call up the Reserves after which you would protect the sanctuary of Salafiyyah to the last point of your blood and fight against 'proxies for some big power who do nt have the welfare of Muslims in their mind'?

Most people in Saudi are not happy with the present King. They don't have the right to criticise him in the open, but most Saudis consider him an imbecile and a weakling. Most Saudis want a smart, aggressive King who can lead the country on the path of self-sufficiency and out of dependence on USA. Believe me, Saudi foreign policy would now be concentrated on cultivating an extremely close relationship with Egypt and Turkey. These 2 will be used to pressurise the new monsters like Iraq and some elements in Lebanon and counter-balance the so-called "axis of resistance". A new "axis of resistance" will be formed between Saudi, Egypt and Hamas.. Saudi still need Pakistan, but mainly to clean the air filters of our Abrams and Humvees :lol:. And India still need Saudi Oil and the "remittance" of India's cheap "guest workers" for creating some investment in Kerala and Punjab :lol:

But yeah, expect Saudi to move most of its military divisions up to the border with Iraq come December when the Yanks leave. Saudi and Iraq have been at War since Hadhrat Umar's (ra) time, and even a Sunni-ruled Iraq will be hardly sympathetic to Saudi interests.

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Most people in Saudi are not happy with the present King. They don't have the right to criticise him in the open, but most Saudis consider him an imbecile and a weakling. Most Saudis want a smart, aggressive King who can lead the country on the path of self-sufficiency and out of dependence on USA. Believe me, Saudi foreign policy would now be concentrated on cultivating an extremely close relationship with Egypt and Turkey. These 2 will be used to pressurise the new monsters like Iraq and some elements in Lebanon and counter-balance the so-called "axis of resistance". A new "axis of resistance" will be formed between Saudi, Egypt and Hamas.. Saudi still need Pakistan, but mainly to clean the air filters of our Abrams and Humvees :lol:. And India still need Saudi Oil and the "remittance" of India's cheap "guest workers" for creating some investment in Kerala and Punjab :lol:

But yeah, expect Saudi to move most of its military divisions up to the border with Iraq come December when the Yanks leave. Saudi and Iraq have been at War since Hadhrat Umar's (ra) time, and even a Sunni-ruled Iraq will be hardly sympathetic to Saudi interests.

Saudi imbecils can only kiss the [Edited Out]s of americans and israelis.

Hamas leadership is not so idiot to trust Turkey and Saudia.

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A new "axis of resistance" will be formed between Saudi, Egypt and Hamas.

This will never happen since Saudia is too in bed with the west and Israel. It is so dependent on the west that it can never dream of leaving the arms of its protectors. The only ones the Saudis are willing to resist are the Iranians and the Iraqi's and the rest of the world's Shias from Nigeria to Pakistan since that is what the west wants. Because the Jafari Shias are not beholden to the west unlike the Wahabi and Salafi who would never have had become so influential without western backing from the revolt against the Ottomans to the CIA's jihad in Afghanistan to the corporate glass palace that is Dubai.

In my opinion the Saudis are too lazy and decadent to ever do something worthwhile. Their welfare state exists only to keep the local population fat and lazy and bribed into supporting the royal family. Their military exists only to suppress protesters and poorly equipped guerrillas, it can never fight a real war with those shiny expensive imported tanks. The moment they get into the blood and guts of it they run away and beg the west to save them. Once the oil industry runs out you'll see all these kingdoms fall and see fighting between the useless locals and immigrants who do all the work

Most Saudis want a smart, aggressive King who can lead the country on the path of self-sufficiency and out of dependence on USA

That'll only happen when the Saudi Royal family stops going to the west to enjoy it's women

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This will never happen since Saudia is too in bed with the west and Israel. It is so dependent on the west that it can never dream of leaving the arms of its protectors. The only ones the Saudis are willing to resist are the Iranians and the Iraqi's and the rest of the world's Shias from Nigeria to Pakistan since that is what the west wants. Because the Jafari Shias are not beholden to the west unlike the Wahabi and Salafi who would never have had become so influential without western backing from the revolt against the Ottomans to the CIA's jihad in Afghanistan to the corporate glass palace that is Dubai.

In my opinion the Saudis are too lazy and decadent to ever do something worthwhile. Their welfare state exists only to keep the local population fat and lazy and bribed into supporting the royal family. Their military exists only to suppress protesters and poorly equipped guerrillas, it can never fight a real war with those shiny expensive imported tanks. The moment they get into the blood and guts of it they run away and beg the west to save them. Once the oil industry runs out you'll see all these kingdoms fall and see fighting between the useless locals and immigrants who do all the work

That'll only happen when the Saudi Royal family stops going to the west to enjoy it's women

Good job.

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The moment they get into the blood and guts of it they run away and beg the west to save them. Once the oil industry runs out you'll see all these kingdoms fall and see fighting between the useless locals and immigrants who do all the work

Blood and guts of it ? Saudi fighters kicked the Commies out of Afghanistan and gave the Russians a bloody nose in Chechnya ( Russian casualties in Chechnya were the highest incurred in any anti-insurgecy operation ever). Also Saudi is cultivating Egypt , Turkey and even India. And don't think the Salafis don't support the Resistance. They rushed to the Bosnians' aid against the Serbs and if u don;t know, one of the regular sources of funding for Hamas is from private individuals in Saudi Arabia. Saudi also supported the PLO in Lebanon in the 80s.

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5 hours ago, Laayla said:

The government can change but what do the majority of Sudanese people favor?  

Salam Most of Soldiers of KSA that invaded Yemen are from Sudan.

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Omar al Bashir, that as*h*le, is a billionaire. How the h*ll does a President become a billionaire? On top of it he presided over that genocide over in the Darfur region many years ago against the Nilotic Black Africans. Most youth, young people of the Sudan see right through him. When he was in South Africa for an African Union summit a couple years ago the ICC had issued a warrant of arrest for him and since South Africa is signatory of the Rome Statute our courts issued a writ of arrest however our government let him fly out immediately. We should have arrested that black Arab jack a**. Oh Sudan needs Shia Islam irrespective what those fake Muslims who pretend to be conservative think. That government in the Khartoum presided over a genocide and mass killings against Black Africans both in the Darfur and in the South. Most young people HATE Omar-al Bashir, just like young people in Iran hate the Ayatollahs. anyway the Sudan needs Shia Islam, those Arabs there are incapable of thought. They cannot think. They are worse than animals, atleast animals have an excuse, they are animals! But that Omar-Al-Bashir is a piece of pure COW DUNG. Im surprised that the government of Iran would have anything to do with these stupid black arabs. He's no different to Rigi for Gods sake!

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terrorist attack by unrecognized Group (probably Al - Shabab) in Mogadishu with one dead & 6 injured people

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Octopus is Israel and its hands are Saudi, UAE, etc. 

Be aware. Tensions in Middle East are not Sunni/Shia tensions. This is what media broadcast. Iran is Shiite, and Syria is Sunni, but they are friends. Iran has good relationship with Sunni Muslims in Iraq. Tensions in Middle East are حق and باطل tensions.

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