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Qaradawi Allows Alcohol Consumption

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AbuAbdallah, that does not matter. Alcohol is outrightly prohibited, no matter what amount it is.

No please, I insist. You asked for the Sunni point of view in this situation. Why back down from answering a couple of simple questions? Is it because we are not condemning him blindly?

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Sorry if I kill discussion early, but this is definitely not something that is a problem for Sunna' except for the idiot publishers of newspapers who don't know abc's of fiqh and promote incorrect information :/

This is the fatwa of many ulema (and not just Qaradawi), from all the different sects - and there is plenty of logic behind it. I will post below the fatwa of Sistani and also the fatwa of many Sunna' ulema of various madhahib. As for the logic behind it, than we know that amount is most definitly a consideration because of the amount is not capable of intoxicating or it is such a miniscule amount that the product can not be considered najasah - than we have no problem. The analogy for this is the sea in which there was a dog urinating. A dog is naajis and it's urine is naajis also (even in 12er fiqh). After it urinates, the urine disperses throughout the sea, but the water of the sea is still taharah - and this you will find in the verdict of all of your ulema if I am not incorrect. It is because the percentage of urine to the percentage of sea-water is negligible.

See below (for the different fatawa from the Sunna'):

http://www.box.net/shared/vcsaejaoh2

See below for the fatwa of Sistani (final question on p86):

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Regarding claims about Grand Ayatullah Sayyed Ali al-Sistani(ha) says in his Resalah located at www.najaf.org English section

Quote- Najis things

84. The following ten things are essentially najis:

Urine

Faeces

Semen

Dead body

Blood

Dog

Pig

Kafir

Alcoholic liquors

The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

...

Alcoholic liquor

112. All Alcoholic liquors and beverages which intoxicate a person, are najis and on the basis of recommended precaution, everything which is originally liquid and intoxicates a person, is najis. Hence narcotics, like, opium and hemp, which are not li quid originally, are Pak, even when a liquid is added to them.

113. All kinds of industrial alcohol used for painting doors, windows, tables, chairs etc. are Pak.

114. If grapes or grape juice ferments by itself, or on being cooked, they are Pak, but it is haraam to eat or drink them.

115. If dates, currants and raisins, and their juice ferment, they are Pak and it is halal to eat them.

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Guys, check out what the brother has posted. Number 37. It says that alcohol is halal if it is under 2%. I believe Al-Qaradawi says it is fine if it is 0.5%. The reason being that quantities that low don't get you drunk, no matter how much you consume.

Be fair, this isn't a game.

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Guys, check out what the brother has posted. Number 37. It says that alcohol is halal if it is under 2%. I believe Al-Qaradawi says it is fine if it is 0.5%. The reason being that quantities that low don't get you drunk, no matter how much you consume.

Be fair, this isn't a game.

I'm being fair, I don't think it's good for you to always think we have some hidden agenda in hiding things. I've noticed that's always the first thing you say. He was saying very small amounts like in sports drinks for example. I don't understand how any ulama allow something like this, no matter who it is. Alcohol is in plain sight, forbidden, in Islam. One of the things that's clearly written.

Why can't I think have a little glass of wine, not enough to make me intoxicated. Just a small glass with my meal maybe. That doesn't make any sense, come on now. How about a tiny tiny piece of bacon bits in my soup or something. It's not alot, just a small tad.

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Guys, check out what the brother has posted. Number 37. It says that alcohol is halal if it is under 2%. I believe Al-Qaradawi says it is fine if it is 0.5%. The reason being that quantities that low don't get you drunk, no matter how much you consume.

Be fair, this isn't a game.

We read from Sayyed Sistani According Ayatullah Sistani all kinds of alcohol are pure.

sistani.org ------>works------->A Code of Practice For Muslims in the West--------->Taharat & Najasat: Ritual purity & impurity � General Rules---------->Issue 39

So, the medicines, the perfumes, and the food containing alcohol are pure and can be used. It is also permissible to eat such food if the amount of alcohol is very minute, e.g., 2%

end quote.

So this sounds like alcohol that you don't drink. If it's in food (and can't get you drunk) I guess it's alright, I know many Sunni scholars that say that you can use products that have certain kinds of alcohol (like certain lotions have denatured alcohol, etc.). It seems kind of like the same kind of issue.

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So, the medicines, the perfumes, and the food containing alcohol are pure and can be used. It is also permissible to eat such food if the amount of alcohol is very minute, e.g., 2%

So if you diluted beer or wine or even liquor with water to bring the alcohol content to 2%, that would be allowed? That doesn't sound right to me. Most North American beers have something near 4-6%, so 2% sounds WAY too high to be considered negligible. I'm pretty sure even a typical whiskey is only about 20%.

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What do his followers (or any Sunni) say regarding this issue?

Wasalam

with all due respect to qardawi and sistani both lets see what god himself says

2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to charity: say, "The excess." GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect

5:90] O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

5:91] The devil wants to provoke animosity and hatred among you through intoxicants and gambling, and to distract you from remembering GOD, and from observing the Contact Prayers (Salat). Will you then refrain?

The world now recognizes that the economic benefits from manufacturing alcoholic beverages and illicit drugs are not worth the traffic fatalities, brain damage to children of alcoholic mothers, family crises, and other disastrous consequences.

and if you are still confused, in the quran is does not say 7orimat , so its not haram to drink but god says its the work of the devil, and he asks us will we refrain.

so its you and your eman, so its best to stay away from drinking, and the benefits well those are obvious alchohol is used for medical reasons. we also use things like listerine to clean our mouths, we use vanilla extract for foods these are not work of the devil but drinking for pleasure and getting drunk can bring damage as stated above that is what we must stay away from and it doesnt matter what % we use for consumption its best to stay away all together

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It's not my place to be arguing one way or another, but what Sayyid Sistani (and Qaradhawi if this is what he's talking about) is ruling on is not as illogical (if at all) that some people might think it to be. Let's say you had some fruit juice in a skin, and carried it with you on a journey in the desert. Guess what, by the end of the journey, chances are your drink will now have some minute traces of alcohol (as in the chemical) in it now. Is it haram? It isn't an intoxicating drink, it has not been actually boiled, it would not be called wine at this point, yet scientifically speaking, were we to put it through some chemical analysis you might find some CH3CH2OH, that is, ethyl alcohol (I'm not a scientist, so someone feel free to correct me if this is incorrect). What about bread? When yeast ferments it produces carbon dioxide and ethynol. Much of this gets evaporated on baking it, but still there might be a trace amount of the alcohol left in that as well (and prior to baking, the alcohol was there). We're not going to start calling bread haram I'd hope...

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I love how many people here think that they are more aware of the prohibitions in Islam than Ayatollah Sistani.

really how dare god think hes smarter then the ayatollahs............hey smart(BEEP)THESE ARE AYAT FROM THE QURAN.

you want to speak bad of ppl that your prolem BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS BOOK watch your words cuase hes watching you

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really how dare god think hes smarter then the ayatollahs............hey smart(BEEP)THESE ARE AYAT FROM THE QURAN.

you want to speak bad of ppl that your prolem BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GOD AND HIS BOOK watch your words cuase hes watching you

Do you have ijaza for tafseer? I wasn't aware that we have a marji' on shiachat.

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Great points dear brother macisaac. There are many kinds of "alcohol" that have no intoxicating effect (such as ethyl alcohol, etc.). That's why I've always read from even sunni sources that products like lotions (which usually contain alcohols like cetyl alcohol, etc.) are allowed. This is because in pure scientific terms: yes they are "alcohol"; but these "alcohols" (again like ethyl or cetyl alcohol, etc.) cannot intoxicate you. The same thing goes for something like "rubbing alcohol" it can't get you intoxicated; even though scientifically it's "alcohol".

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Do you have ijaza for tafseer? I wasn't aware that we have a marji' on shiachat.

whatever man and by the way im not a marjaim not even shia i am what god calls us rasi5on fil 3ilim

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It's not my place to be arguing one way or another, but what Sayyid Sistani (and Qaradhawi if this is what he's talking about) is ruling on is not as illogical (if at all) that some people might think it to be. Let's say you had some fruit juice in a skin, and carried it with you on a journey in the desert. Guess what, by the end of the journey, chances are your drink will now have some minute traces of alcohol (as in the chemical) in it now. Is it haram? It isn't an intoxicating drink, it has not been actually boiled, it would not be called wine at this point, yet scientifically speaking, were we to put it through some chemical analysis you might find some CH3CH2OH, that is, ethyl alcohol (I'm not a scientist, so someone feel free to correct me if this is incorrect). What about bread? When yeast ferments it produces carbon dioxide and ethynol. Much of this gets evaporated on baking it, but still there might be a trace amount of the alcohol left in that as well (and prior to baking, the alcohol was there). We're not going to start calling bread haram I'd hope...

Masha Allah Bro Macissac you are a chemist now :P

Great points dear brother macisaac. There are many kinds of "alcohol" that have no intoxicating effect (such as ethyl alcohol, etc.). That's why I've always read from even sunni sources that products like lotions (which usually contain alcohols like cetyl alcohol, etc.) are allowed. This is because in pure scientific terms: yes they are "alcohol"; but these "alcohols" (again like ethyl or cetyl alcohol, etc.) cannot intoxicate you. The same thing goes for something like "rubbing alcohol" it can't get you intoxicated; even though scientifically it's "alcohol".

Bro, it is ethyl alcohol (CH3CH2OH) that people drink and intoxicating as well, like others! alcohol.

Although not the most trustable source, Wikipedia usually has good information (always double check) like this one on Alcohol

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So if you diluted beer or wine or even liquor with water to bring the alcohol content to 2%, that would be allowed? That doesn't sound right to me. Most North American beers have something near 4-6%, so 2% sounds WAY too high to be considered negligible. I'm pretty sure even a typical whiskey is only about 20%.

Qaradawi's fatwa was 0.5% and the actual exact amount would differ from person to person, but 0.5% is a safe-percent for most people.

whatever man and by the way im not a marjaim not even shia i am what god calls us rasi5on fil 3ilim

Asalaamu 'Alaikum

I think you are confusing the matter, the Qur'aan says khamr (see how the 'Arabs defined khamr). Wassalaam

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Asalaamu 'Alaikum

I think you are confusing the matter, the Qur'aan says khamr (see how the 'Arabs defined khamr). Wassalaam

im sorry if i have confused you but the ayat are right there you can read them in arabic english or whatever language but as the quran came down in arabic then look it up does it say "7orima"

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I am really confused as to what Qaradawi is (Sunni or Shia, he seems to be Sunni?), but this is enough Sunni evidence to disprove that you can even consume a sip of alcohol:

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 481:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever drinks alcoholic drinks in the world and does not repent (before dying), will be deprived of it in the Hereafter."

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Volume 7, Book 69, Number 482:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

On the night Allah's Apostle was taken on a night journey (Miraj) two cups, one containing wine and the other milk, were presented to him at Jerusalem. He looked at it and took the cup of milk. Gabriel said, "Praise be to Allah Who guided you to Al-Fitra (the right path); if you had taken (the cup of) wine, your nation would have gone astray."

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 484:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "An adulterer, at the time he is committing illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer; and a person, at the time of drinking an alcoholic drink is not a believer; and a thief, at the time of stealing, is not a believer." Ibn Shihab said: 'Abdul Malik bin Abi Bakr bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al- Harith bin Hisham told me that Abu Bakr used to narrate that narration to him on the authority of Abu Huraira. He used to add that Abu Bakr used to mention, besides the above cases, "And he who robs (takes illegally something by force) while the people are looking at him, is not a believer at the time he is robbing (taking)

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Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

"Alcoholic drinks were prohibited (by Allah) when there was nothing of it (special kind of wine) in Medina.

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 486:

Narrated Anas:

"Alcoholic drinks were prohibited at the time we could rarely find wine made from grapes in Medina, for most of our liquors were made from unripe and ripe dates.

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Volume 7, Book 69, Number 487:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

'Umar stood up on the pulpit and said, "Now then, prohibition of alcoholic drinks have been revealed, and these drinks are prepared from five things, i.e.. grapes, dates, honey, wheat or barley And an alcoholic drink is that, that disturbs the mind.

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etc etc etc

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I am really confused as to what Qaradawi is (Sunni or Shia, he seems to be Sunni?), but this is enough Sunni evidence to disprove that you can even consume a sip of alcohol:

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 481:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever drinks alcoholic drinks in the world and does not repent (before dying), will be deprived of it in the Hereafter."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 482:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

On the night Allah's Apostle was taken on a night journey (Miraj) two cups, one containing wine and the other milk, were presented to him at Jerusalem. He looked at it and took the cup of milk. Gabriel said, "Praise be to Allah Who guided you to Al-Fitra (the right path); if you had taken (the cup of) wine, your nation would have gone astray."

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 484:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "An adulterer, at the time he is committing illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer; and a person, at the time of drinking an alcoholic drink is not a believer; and a thief, at the time of stealing, is not a believer." Ibn Shihab said: 'Abdul Malik bin Abi Bakr bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al- Harith bin Hisham told me that Abu Bakr used to narrate that narration to him on the authority of Abu Huraira. He used to add that Abu Bakr used to mention, besides the above cases, "And he who robs (takes illegally something by force) while the people are looking at him, is not a believer at the time he is robbing (taking)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

"Alcoholic drinks were prohibited (by Allah) when there was nothing of it (special kind of wine) in Medina.

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 486:

Narrated Anas:

"Alcoholic drinks were prohibited at the time we could rarely find wine made from grapes in Medina, for most of our liquors were made from unripe and ripe dates.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 487:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

'Umar stood up on the pulpit and said, "Now then, prohibition of alcoholic drinks have been revealed, and these drinks are prepared from five things, i.e.. grapes, dates, honey, wheat or barley And an alcoholic drink is that, that disturbs the mind.

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etc etc etc

All Muslims (and all Muslim scholars) agree that not even a sip of true alcohol is allowed. But there are many things that have scientific "alcohol" in them but have no ability to intoxicate like the true alcohol in liquor, beer, wine, etc. Again for exampling "rubbing alcohol", etc. Islam teaches us that we cannot use even a little of anything that intoxciates (i.e. alcohol in beer, etc.) but again there are certain things like have scientific alcohols that have no ability to intoxicate (like cetyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol, and others). Thus we can use products like this, as is agreed by most sunnis; as the objection to alcohol comes from the kind that has the ability to make one intoxicated.

Edited by Abdul-Rahman Brent

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Do you feel the same way about Al-Sistani? Or does this only concern Sunnis when they make similar rulings?

Hypocrite.

I didnt say nothing about the original title as i am not concerned with it to begin with. Qadrawi is a blatant liar and rabid animal. I have clips that confirm this view, how about you? Do you have clips on Sistani promoting lies?

If not then shush it....

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Do you feel the same way about Al-Sistani? Or does this only concern Sunnis when they make similar rulings?

Hypocrite.

Grand Ayatullah Sayyed Sistani(ha) wasn't saying anything wrong on this issue; as we've seen alcohol such as those in liquor, beer, and wine is 100% different then other kinds of alcohol that cannot intoxicate. As for the ruling of Qaradawi on this issue; I'm not sure exactly what he meant but I'd assume he wasn't speaking of alcohol that has an ability to intoxicate. Just like brother macisaac provided examples were one could say even a drink that had been in a skin for a long time, etc. could potentially develop some sort of "alcohol" in it. But it would be fine as long as the alcohol couldn't intoxicate. On the other hand Qaradawi has made absurd claims like saying "israeli" prime minister netanyhu(la) allegedly won a "victory that God couldn't even do" or something to that absurd, blasphemous affect. Also Qaradawi supports a sunni school (al-Azhar) that today is under the control of the dictator hosni mubarak(la) and his ilk; and a sunni school that regularly passes absurd "fatwas" claiming that wearing hijab is not mandatory, etc.

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No. I just have an issue with him making anal sex permissible. *sighs* Well, whatever suits his fancy, I guess. That qualifies as "rabid animal" behavior in my opinion.

Salafi dont go there cause we have a lot of filthy fatwas from your disgusting Nawasib caliph idol worshipping mullahs. Shiasism is very advanced in Fiqhi issues.

I am not gonna address the above on 2 reasons

1) Its not the topic

2) This is a family oriented site and i dont wish to drag the dirt out just so i can make fun of your scholars.

Now go to MemriTv and view his clips. You will see for yourself that Qadrawi is a fake mufti.

Brent, re-read my posts. I was speaking about the hypocrisy of "Logic". I agree with the fatwa of Sistani in this matter.

In case you missed it the first time "I didnt say nothing about the original title as i am not concerned with it to begin with"

This is not the first time i am seeing this thread, i have seen it before in a few forum and i read different replies on it already. I am satisfied.

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