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Tehrif In Quran Translation By Salafies

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Let me post this Urdu Translation too from Saudi Paid Salafi Alim Mr. Junagarhi:

[ÌæäÇšªی 17:57] ÌäÀیŸ یÀ áæ ˜ÇÑÊÿ ÀیŸ ÎæÏ æÀ Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜ÿ ÊÞÑÈ ˜ی ÌÓÊÌæ ãیŸ ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ ˜À Çä ãیŸ Óÿ ˜æä [Çäÿ äی˜ ÇÚãÇá ˜ی ÈÏæáÊ ] ÒیÇÏÀ äÒÏی˜ Àæ ÌÇÆÿ æÀ ÎæÏ ÇÓ˜ی ÑÍãÊ ˜ی ÇãیÏ Ñ˜ªÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇæÑ ÇÓ˜ÿ ÚÐÇÈ Óÿ ÎæÝÒÏÀ ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ۔

You could see the same Tehrif in this translation by Mr. Junagarhi, and this is the Official Salafi Saudi backed Translation which has been hosted at Madinah Quran Complex Official Site.

Mr. Farid Salafi, you have no way to escape.

And let me post some Pure AhleSunnah Ulama Translation without this distortion:

[ÇÍãÏ ÑÖÇ 17:57] æÀ ãÞÈæá ÈäÏÿ ÌäÀیŸ یÀ ˜ÇÝÑ æÌÊÿ ÀیŸ æÀ  Àی Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜ی ØÑÝ æÓیáÀ ªæäÊÿ ÀیŸ ˜À Çä ãیŸ ˜æä ÒیÇÏÀ ãÞÑÈ Àÿ ÇÓ ˜ی ÑÍãÊ ˜ی ÇãیÏ Ñ˜ªÊÿ ÇæÑ ÇÓ ˜ÿ ÚÐÇÈ Óÿ ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ ÈیÔ˜ ÊãÀÇÑÿ ÑÈ ˜Ç ÚÐÇÈ Ñ ˜ی یÒ Àÿ

[ØÇÀÑ ÇáÞÇÏÑی 17:57] یÀ áæ Ìä ˜ی ÚÈÇÏÊ ˜ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ (یÚäی ãáÇƘÀ¡ ÌäøÇÊ¡ ÚیÓٰی ÇæÑ ÚÒیÑ ÚáیÀãÇ ÇáÓáÇã æÛیѪ㠘ÿ ÈÊ ÇæÑ ÊÕæیÑیŸ ÈäÇ ˜Ñ ÇäÀیŸ æÌÊÿ ÀیŸ) æÀ (Êæ ÎæÏ Àی) Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜ی ØÑÝ æÓیáÀ ÊáÇÔ ˜ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ ˜À Çä ãیŸ Óÿ (ÈÇÑÇÀö ÇáٰÀی ãیŸ) ÒیÇÏÀ ãÞÑøÈ ˜æä Àÿ ÇæÑ (æÀ ÎæÏ) ÇÓ ˜ی ÑÍãÊ ˜ÿ ÇãیÏæÇÑ ÀیŸ ÇæÑ (æÀ ÎæÏ Àی) ÇÓ ˜ÿ ÚÐÇÈ Óÿ ÑÊÿ ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ¡ (ÇÈ Êã Àی ÈÊÇÄ ˜À æÀ ãÚÈæÏ ˜یÓÿ Àæ Ó˜Êÿ ÀیŸ æÀ Êæ ÎæÏ ãÚÈæÏö ÈÑÍÞ ˜ÿ ÓÇãäÿ ̪˜ ÑÀÿ ÀیŸ)¡ ÈیÔ˜  ˜ÿ ÑÈ ˜Ç ÚÐÇÈ Ñäÿ ˜ی یÒ Àÿ

[ãÍãæÏ ÇáÍÓä ÏیæÈäÏی 17:57] æÀ áæ Ìä ˜æ یÀ ˜ÇÑÊÿ ÀیŸ æÀ ÎæÏ ªæäÊÿ ÀیŸ Çäÿ ÑÈ Ê˜ æÓیáÀ ˜À ˜æäÓÇ ÈäÏÀ ÈÀÊ äÒÏی˜ Àÿ۔ ÇæÑ ÇãیÏ Ñ˜ªÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇÓ˜ی ãÀÑÈÇäی ˜ی ÇæÑ ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇÓ˜ÿ ÚÐÇÈ Óÿ۔ Èÿ Ô˜ ÊیÑÿ ÑÈ ˜Ç ÚÐÇÈ Ñäÿ ˜ی یÒ Àÿ۔

ÊÝÓیÑ ÇÒ ÔÈیÑ ÇÍãÏ ÚËãÇäی (ã˜ÊÈ ÏیæÈäÏ):

۔۔۔ ãØáÈ یÀ Àÿ ˜À Ìä ÀÓÊیæŸ ˜æ Êã ãÚÈæÏ æ ãÓÊÚÇä Óã̪ ˜Ñ ˜ÇÑÊÿ Àæ¡ æÀ ÎæÏ Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜Ç ÈیÔ ÇÒ ÈیÔ ÞÑÈ ÊáÇÔ ˜ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ۔ Çä ˜ی ÏæÇ ÏæÔ ÕÑÝ ÇÓ áیÿ Àÿ ˜À ÎÏÇ ˜ی äÒÏی˜ی ªÇÕá ˜Ñäÿ ãیŸ ˜æä Âÿ ä˜áÊÇ Àÿ¡ Çä ãیŸ Ìæ ÒیÇÏÀ ãÞÑÈ ÀیŸ æÀ Àی ÒیÇÏÀ ÞÑÈ ÇáÀی ˜ÿ ØÇáÈ ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇæÑ ÓæÊÿ ÀیŸ ˜À ˜Óی ÓÈ Óÿ ÒیÇÏÀ ãÞÑÈ ÈäÏÀ ˜ی ÏÚÇÁ æÛیÑÀ ˜æ ÍÕæáö ÞÑÈ ˜Ç æÓیáÀ ÈäÇÆیŸ۔

[یÑ ˜Ñã ÇáÇÒªÑی 17:57] æÀ áæ ÌäÀیŸ یÀ ãÔј ˜ÇÑÇ ˜ÑÊÿ ÀیŸ æÀ ÎæÏ ªæäÊÿ ÀیŸ Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜ی ØÑÝ æÓیáÀ ˜À ˜æäÓÇ ÈäÏÀ (ÇááÀ Óÿ) ÒیÇÏÀ ÞÑیÈ Àÿ ÇæÑ ÇãیÏ Ñ˜ªÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇááÀ ˜ی ÑÍãÊ ˜ی ÇæÑ ÑÊÿ ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ ÇÓ˜ÿ ÚÐÇÈ Óÿ۔

[ÊÝÓیÑ ÇÒ یÑ ˜Ñã ÇáÇÒªÑی] ãØáÈ یÀ Àÿ ˜À ˜ãÔјیä Ìä ˜æ ÎÏÇ ÈäÇÆÿ ÀæÆÿ ÀیŸ ÇæÑ Ìä ˜æ Çäی ʘÇáیÝ æ ãÕÇÆÈ ãیŸ ˜ÇÑÊÿ ÀیŸ یÀ ÎÏÇ äÀیŸ Èá˜À æÀ Êæ ÎæÏ ÀÑ áãÍÀ ÀÑ áÍÙÀ Çäÿ ÑÈ ˜Ñیã ˜ی ÎæÔäæÏی ÍÇÕá ˜Ñäÿ ˜ÿ áیÿ ãÕÑæÝö Úãá ÑÀÊÿ ÀیŸ۔ ÇÑ æÇÞÚی æÀ ÎÏÇ ÀæÊÿ ÌیÓÿ ãÔјیä ˜Ç ÎیÇá Àÿ Êæ ªÑ ÇäÀیŸ ˜Óی ˜ی ÚÈÇÏÊ ÇæÑ ÑÖÇÌæÆی ˜ی ˜یÇ ÖÑæÑÊ Êªی۔ ãÓÆáÀ: ÇÓ Óÿ ãÚáæã ÀæÇ ˜À ãÞÑÈ ÈäÏæŸ ˜æ ÈÇÑÇÀ ÇáÀی ãیŸ æÓیáÀ ÈäÇäÇ ÌÇÆÒ Àÿ ÇæÑ ÇááÀ ÊÚÇáی ˜ÿ ãÞÈæá ÈäÏæŸ ˜Ç ØÑیÞÀ Àÿ۔ ÇÓ ÂیÊ ãیŸ ÛæÑ ˜Ñäÿ Óÿ ãÚáæã ÀæÊÇ Àÿ ˜À ˜Óی ÛیÑ ˜ی ÚÈÇÏÊ ˜ÑäÇ ããäæÚ Àÿ áی˜ä ãÞÈæáÇäö ÈÇÑÇÀ ÇیÒÏی ˜Ç æÓیáÀ ˜šäÇ ÇæÑ ÇäÓ ÿ ÇáÊãÇÓö ÏÚÇ ˜ÑäÇ ÌÇÆÒ Àÿ ۔

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You do realize that repeating that doesn't make you any more "correct", right?

Anyways, you are yet to answer post #26. Have fun trying.

Wow, up till now you had no courage to touch the Real Issue but running here and there..... and you will keep running like this till Qiyamah. Insha-Allah.

Here is another German Translation by Shaikh ‘Abdullah al-Samit and Dr. Nadeem Ilyas of Islamic Center in Germany (with all it's roots in Salafi Saudia). And there Translation is taken as Official Saudi Translation and distributed among German Speaking Hujjaj free of Cost.

And look Salafi Authentic Website www.al-islam.com hosting this same distorted Translation:

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[57] "Jene, die sie anrufen, suchen selbst die Nähe ihres Herrn - (und wetteifern untereinander,) wer von ihnen (Ihm) am nächsten sei - und hoffen auf Sein Erbarmen und fürchten Seine Strafe.

Same Satanic Distortion by all these Salafi Translators.

And I am thankful to Allah (swt) for giving me Taufeeq to bring all these Satanic Salafi Deceptions in light. Shukar Alhamdolillah.

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Hey mr or mrs zainabia. I have some words of wisdom for you: READ THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE 17:57.

Let me rephrase that: READ 17:56

Once you read 17:56 and understand it directly from the Quran, (without rushing off to look for a hadith book to corrupt its meaning), your entire post goes straight to the trash can.

You talked about the 'desease of using the furute tense', well...THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, will expose to you another more serious desease called: TAKING VERSES OUT OF THERE CONTEXT, by attempting to translate each verse by itself, irrespective of the verses that come before and after it.

Let us expose zainabia's hypocricy to everyone, by showing the verse DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, verse 17:56, , which he/she has conveniently covered with his/her thumb while reading 17:57.

What does verse 17:56 say?

Þá ÇÏÚæÇ ÇáÐíä ÒÚãÊã ãä Ïæäå ÝáÇ íãáßæä ßÔÝ ÇáÖÑ Úäßã æáÇ ÊÍæíáÇ

Translation:

{Say (O messenger) “Call unto those alleged ones whom you consider besides Him (God). They have no power to rid you of any harm, nor can they divert it."}

You see, zainabia, once you read the verses of God IN CONTEXT, the meaning becomes crystal clear:

God is COMMANDING the messenger to say that those "alleged ones" whom the idol-worshipers call besides God (Like your mullahs, saints, imams, etc...), HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING!!

verse 17:57 then expands on the idea by saying that those alleged ones are themselves already having all they could do (they have their hands full) trying to find the 'wasila' to get close to God!

In this Verse, Allah (swt) has described two such Things Openly and very Clearly, which Salafies would be unable to digest till Qiyyamah. Insha-Allah.

Actually, in this verse, God has expoesd your hypocricy, and your desease of cutting up His verses to fragments (like you did in 33:33 and many others) isolating his verses, and interpreting them irrespective of their context.

Until you abandoned your man-made books of HADITH and TRADITION, it is YOU who will be unable to digest God's book until Qiyamah.

Final word of advice: Just because someone doesn't agree with your dogmas that does not make him/her a Salafi.

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Peace..out.

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Hey mr or mrs zainabia. I have some words of wisdom for you: READ THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE 17:57.

Let me rephrase that: READ 17:56

Once you read 17:56 and understand it directly from the Quran, (without rushing off to look for a hadith book to corrupt its meaning), your entire post goes straight to the trash can.

You talked about the 'desease of using the furute tense', well...THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, will expose to you another more serious desease called: TAKING VERSES OUT OF THERE CONTEXT, by attempting to translate each verse by itself, irrespective of the verses that come before and after it.

Let us expose zainabia's hypocricy to everyone, by showing the verse DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, verse 17:56, , which he/she has conveniently covered with his/her thumb while reading 17:57.

What does verse 17:56 say?

Þá ÇÏÚæÇ ÇáÐíä ÒÚãÊã ãä Ïæäå ÝáÇ íãáßæä ßÔÝ ÇáÖÑ Úäßã æáÇ ÊÍæíáÇ

Translation:

{Say (O messenger) “Call unto those alleged ones whom you consider besides Him (God). They have no power to rid you of any harm, nor can they divert it."}

You see, zainabia, once you read the verses of God IN CONTEXT, the meaning becomes crystal clear:

God is COMMANDING the messenger to say that those "alleged ones" whom the idol-worshipers call besides God (Like your mullahs, saints, imams, etc...), HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING!!

verse 17:57 then expands on the idea by saying that those alleged ones are themselves already having all they could do (they have their hands full) trying to find the 'wasila' to get close to God!

Actually, in this verse, God has expoesd your hypocricy, and your desease of cutting up His verses to fragments (like you did in 33:33 and many others) isolating his verses, and interpreting them irrespective of their context.

Until you abandoned your man-made books of HADITH and TRADITION, it is YOU who will be unable to digest God's book until Qiyamah.

By Allah, you people are the most misguided people who Openly do Tehrif in Verse of Quran while according to your insane Logic previous Verse of 17:56 is contradicting the "Wasilah" mentioned in next Verse 17:57

So, let us see if really previous Verse 17:56 is really contradicting the Sunnah of Taking "Wasilah" of higher ranked Prophets/Angels by low ranked Prophets/Angels.

Let us start not only with 17:56, but this time we go one Verse more behind to show the real horrible face of Salafies.

[shakir 17:55] .... and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture.

[shakir 17:56] Say: Call on those whom you assert (gods) besides/except Him (Allah) ãä Ïæäå , so they shall not control the removal of distress from you nor (its) transference.

[shakir 17:57] Those whom they call upon (Prophets/Angels), themselves seek the means of access (“Wasilah”) to their Lord-- whoever of them is nearest (I.e. higher in Rank)-- and they hope for His mercy and fear His chastisement...

By Allah, He himself made all the arrangements to make clear the False Batil Aqeedah of Salafies, who are even unable to differentiate between “Wasilah” and “Worshipping other gods beside Allah ãä Ïæäå

From Verse 56 to 57, Allah (swt) himself made the difference clear between Worshipping others beside Allah and Sunnah of lower ranked Prophets/Angels of seeking Wasilah of higher ranked Prophets/Angels.

Verse 55:

Here Allah making clear that HE himself gave preference to some Prophets over other Prophets (i.e. some are low ranked Prophets and some are higher in ranking)

Verse 56:

Here Allah is talking about Worshipping of Kuffar, who call (in sense of Worship) to other false gods beside Allah ãä Ïæäå (while we Muslims never worship anyone beside Allah)

This Verse 56 also tells us that these false gods of Kuffar beside Allah has not power to benefit them or to harm them.

While Wasilah of Prophets is entirely different thing than Worshipping false gods beside Allah and this Wasilah of Prophets does indeed benefit us by the Permission of Allah.

But blind hearted Salafies are unable to see the difference between Worshipping others beside Allah and seeking Wasilah of Prophets of Allah.

Verse 57:

Here Allah (swt) is Clearly destroying the Batil Salafi Aqeedah by describing clearly the SUNNAH of lower ranked Prophets/Angels to seek the Wasilah of higher ranked Prophets/Angels.

Aisha seeking benefit from the Wasilah of Jubbah (robe) of Rasool Allah (saw)

Sahih Muslim, 1st Chapter of book of Clothing:

`Abd Allah, the freed slave of Asma' the daughter of Abu Bakr, the maternal uncle of the son of `Ata', said:

She (Asma bint Abu Bakr) said: "Here is the cloak (jubba) of Allah's Messenger," and she brought out to me that cloak made of Persian cloth with a hem of (silk) brocade, and its sleeves bordered with (silk) brocade, and said:

"This was Allah's Messenger's cloak with `A'isha until she died, then I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah used to wear it, and we washed it for the sick so that they could seek cure thereby."

* Can anyone still deny the witnesses of Ummul Momineen Ayesha and her sister Asma bint Abu Bakr that even the jubba of Rasool Allah [saww] was also able to benefit and cure the sick?

* Did Ummul Momineen Hadhrat Ayesha and her sister Sahabia Asma bint Abu Bakr made that jubba of Rasool Allah [saww], a partner to Allah by seeking benefit through it?

* Why didn't they asked Allah DIRECTLY for the cure from sicknesses?

* Did they really sought help from that jubba in a Literal Sense that it had Absolute power to benefit them. Or they actually sought help from Allah, but from seeking help from jubba, they only meant that Barakah of Rasool Allah [saww] also includes in their request to Allah?

Very Important Rule Literal Approach vs. Hidden Intention

Even if the name of Allah was not mentioned by Aisha and Asma bint Abu Bakr, when they sought help from jubba of Rasool Allah [saww], but still all (including Salafi) believe that they didn't commit Shirk.

1. There are 2 ways to understand these kind of actions:

2. Literal Approach, which shows the Apparent (Dhahir) meaning, i.e. help was sought by the jubba.

3. Hidden Intention, which tells that asking of help by jubba was only in allegorical sense. But in reality, they were seeking help from Allah. And hidden intention is a thing, which always have to be given preference over literal approach.

Salafi Double Standards: Even our Salafi friends suffer with the disease of Literalism, but still they are able to understand the Hidden Intentions of Ayesha and Asma bint Abi Bakr in this case.

But when it comes to our asking Rasool Allah [saww] to help us through his Shafa'at /Wasilah i.e. By making Dua to Allah on our behalf (and in reality, we are asking from Allah), they are simply denying the existence of any such "Hidden Intention". And they start coming up with all the verses of Qur'an which are actually referring to Kuffar and their idols.

And if they think that they are the Truthful Ones, then why don't they paste their favourite verse upon Aisha and her sister Isma bint Abu Bakr:

ÅöíøóÇßó äóÚúÈõÏõ æÅöíøóÇßó äóÓúÊóÚöíäõ

1:5 "You alone do we worship and from You alone do we seek help"

And why don't they paste all the verses of Qur'an in which Allah says that beside Allah, no one can benefit or harm them:

ÞóÇáó ÃóÝóÊóÚúÈõÏõæäó ãöä Ïõæäö Çááøóåö ãóÇ áóÇ íóäÝóÚõßõãú ÔóíúÆðÇ æóáóÇ íóÖõÑøõßõãú

[Yusufali 21:66] (Abraham) said, "Do ye then worship, besides Allah, things that can neither be of any good (benefit) to you nor do you harm?"

Is this not a double standard?!

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So, Salafies could see that contrary to their Batil Aqeedah, Allah (swt) clearly mentioned that:

1. Worshipping other gods beside Him is other thing

2. While seeking Wasilah of higher ranked pious people is other thing and it is even the Sunnah of lower ranked prophets/angles to seek Wasilah of higher ranked Prophets/Angels.

3. Also Kuffar worship of false gods beside Allah could neither benefit them nor harm them, while Wasilah of higher ranked pious people could indeed benefit us through the permission of Allah (and there are tens of Sahih Ahadith which clearly show that Wasilah of pious people could benefit us (the Muslims).

Since blind hearted Salafies are unable to see this difference, therefore they started doing TEHRIF in meaning of Quran by wrongly translating it in order to suit Quran according to their wishes and Batil Aqaeed.

May Allah save us from the Shar of their Tehrifaat. Amin.

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So Mr. Johny_Appleseed, tell us now:

  • How in name of context of previous verse could you do Tehrif in Translation of Quran and change it according to your batil Aqeedah?
  • How come you paste the verse of Kuffar and their worshiping of false god to Muslims and their following of Sunnah of lower ranked prophets/angels when they seek the Wasilah of higher ranked prophets/angels and Quran is witness to this?
  • And contrary to your insane logic, there is no Contradiction in Quran and no way that verse 56 is denying the seeking of Wasilah of higher ranked prophets/angels by lower ranked prophets/angels [Note: both these higher and lower ranked prophets have alread died, but this doesn't matter.]

By Allah, you people have been exposed and till Qiyamah Allah's curse be upon you for hiding and distorting the Truth.

Edited by zainabia

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A lot of misinformation here...

Yusuf 'Ali was reported to be an Ismaili Shi'a, not Sunna', let alone Salafi. People printed edited copies of his work after it was out of copyright...

And all translations are called "interpretation of the meaning". There is no real point here...

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Awesome. If this is true, then can you please provide some evidence that those people are connected to Salafism? All I have is your word for it, and you know how much that is worth to me.

*Yawns*

I feel sorry for you.. you come on here with hope and you get all these people mouthing off to you.. I respect you for not making a thread directed towards shias with every swear word in the english language.

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A lot of misinformation here...

Yusuf 'Ali was reported to be an Ismaili Shi'a, not Sunna', let alone Salafi. People printed edited copies of his work after it was out of copyright...

Wow, once again Mr. MohammadMufti Salafi is there along with all his Jahalah and blindness from seeing even the Proofs. This is the real seal of Allah which HE puts upon hearts of those who deny, hide and distort the truth.

It has been proved that Saudi Salafies edited Yousuf Ali's translation completely as they liked (till 4th Comittee of Saudi Mufties passed it after complete changes) and only once they were sure it was according to their Aqaeed, only then they declared it their Official English Translation and "Shah Fahad Madinah Complex" published it in millions and distributed it freely.

Therefore, after all this it is 100% correct to use this Saudi Salafi Official Version of Translation against them.

And then comes the part that present Saudi Salafi Official Version of Yousuf Ali's translation is not alone distortion, but Saudi Salafies made same distortion in their official versions of Urdu/German (and perhaps all other languages), and I have submitted all these Proves. And then comes other Urdu Translations by other Pakistani Salafies, and then comes Halali/Khan (the pure 2 Salafists) whose translation is exactly nothing else than spreading the Salafi Aqaeed.

After so many proofs, if Mr. MohammadMufti is still not able to see the Truth then it is because curse of Allah (swt) is upon those who hide and distort the Truth.

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by MohammadMufti:

And all translations are called "interpretation of the meaning". There is no real point here...

Allahu Akbar, after making such clear Tehrif in Quran Translation, they still not stop by making Satanic Excuses.

In fact all misguided Sects (like Qadianies and Quranists, and so-called Free Mind Modern Muslims) have made such Tehrifs in Quran Translations making same excuse as is presented by Mr. MuhammadMufti Salafi, in order to change Quran according to their wishes and Aqaeed.

By Allah, HE (swt) gave such a bitter slap on face of Salafiat by making it clear (in verse 17:56) that Worshipping of false gods beside Allah by Kuffar in one thing and then immediately in next verse making it total clear that but the Sunnah of seeking Wasilah by lower ranked Prophets/Angels from relatively higher ranked Prophets/Angels is absolutely other thing. So this is the sole reason which compelled Salafies to play their Satanic game of making Tehrif in Translation of Holy Quran.

And contrary to Allah's such clear Instruction of difference between these 2 things, Salafies are unable to differntiate between these two things (i.e. Worshipping false gods beside Allah and seeking Wasilah of higher ranked pious peoplw) and that is why whenever Salafies open their mouth, we hear only fatwas of "Shirk" "Shirk" coming out of their mouths.

We are thankful to Allah (swt) that He arranged things in Quran in such Perfect way that Batil will be finally exposed and will get no escape. Shukar Alhamdolillah.

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Hey mr or mrs zainabia. I have some words of wisdom for you: READ THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE 17:57.

Let me rephrase that: READ 17:56

Once you read 17:56 and understand it directly from the Quran, (without rushing off to look for a hadith book to corrupt its meaning), your entire post goes straight to the trash can.

You talked about the 'desease of using the furute tense', well...THE VERSE DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, will expose to you another more serious desease called: TAKING VERSES OUT OF THERE CONTEXT, by attempting to translate each verse by itself, irrespective of the verses that come before and after it.

Let us expose zainabia's hypocricy to everyone, by showing the verse DIRECTLY BEFORE IT, verse 17:56, , which he/she has conveniently covered with his/her thumb while reading 17:57.

What does verse 17:56 say?

Þá ÇÏÚæÇ ÇáÐíä ÒÚãÊã ãä Ïæäå ÝáÇ íãáßæä ßÔÝ ÇáÖÑ Úäßã æáÇ ÊÍæíáÇ

Translation:

{Say (O messenger) “Call unto those alleged ones whom you consider besides Him (God). They have no power to rid you of any harm, nor can they divert it."}

You see, zainabia, once you read the verses of God IN CONTEXT, the meaning becomes crystal clear:

God is COMMANDING the messenger to say that those "alleged ones" whom the idol-worshipers call besides God (Like your mullahs, saints, imams, etc...), HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING!!

verse 17:57 then expands on the idea by saying that those alleged ones are themselves already having all they could do (they have their hands full) trying to find the 'wasila' to get close to God!

Actually, in this verse, God has expoesd your hypocricy, and your desease of cutting up His verses to fragments (like you did in 33:33 and many others) isolating his verses, and interpreting them irrespective of their context.

Until you abandoned your man-made books of HADITH and TRADITION, it is YOU who will be unable to digest God's book until Qiyamah.

Final word of advice: Just because someone doesn't agree with your dogmas that does not make him/her a Salafi.

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Peace..out.

(salam)

To be honest, this is the funniest post I have ever read. With his ground-breaking promises, I was expecting this Johnny to bring something spectacular. Instead, he brought what he brought - the most stupid post ever in human history. Trying to interpret verses, in context, by deliberately misinterpreting them. That is Sunnism anyway, and all thumbs for you.

The Verse of Wasilah shatters Salafism completely, and makes them kafirs for rejecting a Qur'anic doctrine. The observant reader sees it all too clearly: these Salafi folks CANNOT defend their position against this verse. They bring all sorts of excuses. They are liars, and the Qur'an is the Truth.

Farid claims not to know Arabic grammar, while he lives in an Arab country! But, even I, living in far away Nigeria, know that the term has NO verb. That destroys all your translations and INTERPRETATIONS! You don't need to be a professor of Arabic to know this. It is just so simple.

I hope you will never claim not to know your own name, when the heat gets hotter, and it will be soon.

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Farid claims not to know Arabic grammar, while he lives in an Arab country!

There is no shame in admitting ignorance. I didn't not say that I don't know Arabic grammar. I said that I am not an expert on the subject and I'm not qualified to give an answer. You, on the other hand, claim to be a master of hadith, when it is clear in reality that you are learning the rules as we go along. That is what is truly shameful.

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There is no shame in admitting ignorance. I didn't not say that I don't know Arabic grammar. I said that I am not an expert on the subject and I'm not qualified to give an answer. You, on the other hand, claim to be a master of hadith, when it is clear in reality that you are learning the rules as we go along. That is what is truly shameful.

Could you pls show me a quotation evidencing that? Otherwise, that confirms your status as a clean liar.

But, sorry for this: WHY IS THIS SIMPLE RULE SO DIFFICULT THAT WE NEED A PROFESSOR OF ARABIC TO UNDERSTAND IT?

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Otherwise, that confirms your status as a clean liar

Absolutely, he is that :D But i think he is a dutty dutty liar who gave me Zero ratings in my profile along with other salafis who frequent the forum ..

Fear Allah ya salafs ya!

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Could you pls show me a quotation evidencing that? Otherwise, that confirms your status as a clean liar.

Oh, you deny that you dismissed the work of scholars like Al-Bayhaqi and Al-Khatib as nonsense? Doesn't that make you more credible than them when it comes to authenticating hadiths?

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Oh, you deny that you dismissed the work of scholars like Al-Bayhaqi and Al-Khatib as nonsense? Doesn't that make you more credible than them when it comes to authenticating hadiths?

You too have dismissed authentications by several high-ranking Sunni hadithists. Should I take that as a claim of superiority over them? As you can see, it is utter nonsense!

Just re-read your post and bring an answer:

You, on the other hand, claim to be a master of hadith, when it is clear in reality that you are learning the rules as we go along.

Show me where I ever claimed to be a master of hadith!

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You too have dismissed authentications by several high-ranking Sunni hadithists. Should I take that as a claim of superiority over them? As you can see, it is utter nonsense!

I have dismissed authentication by a scholar where there is a difference of opinion upon a certain hadith. You, on the other hand, without access to the books of tareekh, have claimed that a hadith is marfoo' when it is in fact munqati'. You didn't have any real argument so you just dismissed their claims as nonsense. How can you compare my stance with yours?

In any case, what I really meant is that you act like a master of hadith, even though you haven't claimed it. I am at fault here for choosing the wrong words.

Edited by AbuAbdulla Farid AlSalafi

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I have dismissed authentication by a scholar where there is a difference of opinion upon a certain hadith. You, on the other hand, without access to the books of tareekh, have claimed that a hadith is marfoo' when it is in fact munqati'. You didn't have any real argument so you just dismissed their claims as nonsense. How can you compare my stance with yours?

That doesn't look like what I asked for.

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Here is link to a very simple, very easy basic Arabic Grammar for English Speaking people.

http://arabic.tripod.com/

And here is Lesson for "Noun Sentences/Sentences without verbs" [as we have discussed in this Thread and Mr. FArid Salafi denied to know this simple Arabic Grammar rule to defend the Tehrif by his Salafi Ulama]

http://arabic.tripod.com/AmIsAreSentences.htm

Just read it, and also few next chapters too and then no Salafi Alim/Translator could deceive you by making Tehrif in translations of Quran in order to make it according to their Batil Aqeedah. Insha-Allah.

Was Salam.

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I feel sorry for you.. you come on here with hope and you get all these people mouthing off to you.. I respect you for not making a thread directed towards shias with every swear word in the english language.

I feel even more sorrier for you. You are a Shia yet you still dont know the difference between Haq and Baatil.

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I feel even more sorrier for you. You are a Shia yet you still dont know the difference between Haq and Baatil.

Haq and Baatil have nothing to do with manners. This is the issue with many here on these forums. They think this is a game and would rather insult their opponent instead of having a sincere discussion. It is needless to say that many of your brethren have issues with that type of attitude.

...and thanks for the kind words ShiaSoldier.

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Haq and Baatil have nothing to do with manners. This is the issue with many here on these forums. They think this is a game and would rather insult their opponent instead of having a sincere discussion. It is needless to say that many of your brethren have issues with that type of attitude.

...and thanks for the kind words ShiaSoldier.

How about you start with the goodwill and have your scholars/book stop the assault on our Prophet (Saww) and his family. Have your scholar stop the assault on Shias. Have your scholars stop the assault on innocent human civilization then come back here and give all the pretty speeches on manners and Islam as you wish.

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How about you start with the goodwill and have your scholars/book stop the assault on our Prophet (Saww) and his family. Have your scholar stop the assault on Shias. Have your scholars stop the assault on innocent human civilization then come back here and give all the pretty speeches on manners and Islam as you wish.

So belonging to a school of thought makes me fair game for insults? It seems as though you would rather look at me as a minion of evil than a lost individual. You appear to do this for no other reason than to dehumanize your "foes".

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So belonging to a school of thought makes me fair game for insults? It seems as though you would rather look at me as a minion of evil than a lost individual. You appear to do this for no other reason than to dehumanize your "foes".

Not as a member but a person who conformed and adapted the very same view. I cannot call you a lost soul as you are very well versed in both history and usool of Islam. You still made the choice to go along with the very people who pass off these judgement, in other words you are a minion of evil by your own free will.

I am not trying to dehumaize you but instead making sure other see through your phony cheap act.

I dont wish to hijack this thread so i am done with this. please continue.

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Not as a member but a person who conformed and adapted the very same view. I cannot call you a lost soul as you are very well versed in both history and usool of Islam.

Actually, I would like to say I'm flattered that you'd think that I'm well versed on those subjects, but I'm really just a beginner. I've been a Salafi for a year and a half to two years and I'm not really that hardcore either.

I am not trying to dehumaize you but instead making sure other see through your phony cheap act.

I dont wish to hijack this thread so i am done with this. please continue.

Well, if you would like to expose my "phony cheap act" then I suggest that you do so in another thread dedicated to me being two-faced. If you are unable to do this, then I would like you to take that back and admit that it was your bias that caused you to accuse me of such a thing.

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I am done with you on this issue so instead of further addressing me i suggest you start answering all those question which have been convienently ignored.

You mean like the list of ten Salafees that the topic starter failed to link with Salafism (or some with Islam) and by thus destroyed the whole point of the thread? The only convenient thing about the thread is the incompetence of the topic starter... and you for that matter. Go find me something else to respond to.

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You mean like the list of ten Salafees that the topic starter failed to link with Salafism (or some with Islam) and by thus destroyed the whole point of the thread? The only convenient thing about the thread is the incompetence of the topic starter... and you for that matter. Go find me something else to respond to.

By God, you people are on run and will keep on running till near Qiyammah when Mahdi comes and you have then even no run more. Insha-Allah.

And after reading your lame excuse I remember that even Satan Iblees also came up with such lame excuse that he was "Afdhal" as he was made up of fire. (Actually Satan Iblees had better excuse than what you are offering here).

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You mean like the list of ten Salafees that the topic starter failed to link with Salafism (or some with Islam) and by thus destroyed the whole point of the thread? The only convenient thing about the thread is the incompetence of the topic starter... and you for that matter. Go find me something else to respond to.

Mr. Farid, this is a honest question. Please, do not ignore it. Do you think tawassul is evil? Your scholars have declared it to be shirk. I need your honest opinion, PLEASE.

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This thread ought to be one of the most ridiculous ones ever. Paranoid conspiracy theory at its best that even turns non-muslims into "Salafis".

I have news for you, zainabia. Even your own scholars admit that it is valid to interpret the verse to mean that those who are called upon by the polytheists (namely prophets, angels, jinn) they themselves compete against each other in seeking the pleasure of Allah ta'ala.

For instance, here is what At-Tabrassi says in his tafsir:

Ãæ Öãä * (íÈÊÛæä) * ãÚäì íÍÑÕæä¡ Ãí: íÍÑÕæä Ãíåã íßæä ÃÞÑÈ Åáì Çááå¡ æÐáß ÈÃä íÒíÏæÇ Ýí ÇáØÇÚÉ æÇáÎíÑ

Go ahead to translate it on your own so that you don't accuse me of a false translation.

But lemme guess, At-Tabrassi was an undercover salafi trying to confuse the poor shia?

Edited by Muhawir

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This thread ought to be one of the most ridiculous ones ever. Paranoid conspiracy theory at its best that even turns non-muslims into "Salafis".

Muwahir, you could weep and cry as much as you would like, but the PROVEN FACT is this that Salafi Saudi published Qurans in ALL Languages made this Tehrif in the Translation. How many proofs have you brought up till now (after 3 pages of discussions) that Salafies have not done this Tehrif?...... (not a single proof, but hiding before translations of others Qadiyanies/Hadith-Rejectors etc.). Indeed Salafies are one of the unshameful creatures of universe.

And I already made it clear in my previous posts:

..

  • 70% of English Translators have made a Blunder and distorted the Translation to Prove that higher Ranked Prophets/Angels are not "Wasilah" but only the good Actions are Wasilah.
    How came such huge Number of Translators made mistake in translating this simple part of verse of Çیªã ÇÞÑÈ ? Please think about it.
  • And all these Translators (who made mistake), they have one thing in common i.e. "All of Then Unanimously are against Wasilah and Tawassul, Shafa'at" (This group includes Salafies, Deobandies, Qadianies who also follow Salafi path in Aqaeed about Wasilah, Hadith Rejectionists, and so called Modern Muslim Movements who also are against Wasilah and follow Salafi Path).
  • And Hundred Million Question: How come all these plenty of Translators (who made mistake in Verse of Wasilah 17:57),.... All of them Unanimously were able to translate correctly same Çیªã ÇÞÑÈ correctly at other place in Quran 4:11?
    Are you able to see the Salafi/Anti Wasilah parties conspiracies here?

..

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By Muhawir:

I have news for you, zainabia. Even your own scholars admit that it is valid to interpret the verse to mean that those who are called upon by the polytheists (namely prophets, angels, jinn) they themselves compete against each other in seeking the pleasure of Allah ta'ala.

For instance, here is what At-Tabrassi says in his tafsir:

Ãæ Öãä * (íÈÊÛæä) * ãÚäì íÍÑÕæä¡ Ãí: íÍÑÕæä Ãíåã íßæä ÃÞÑÈ Åáì Çááå¡ æÐáß ÈÃä íÒíÏæÇ Ýí ÇáØÇÚÉ æÇáÎíÑ

Go ahead to translate it on your own so that you don't accuse me of a false translation.

But lemme guess, At-Tabrassi was an undercover salafi trying to confuse the poor shia?

Kadhaab???

Provide us with the link where al-Tabrassin in his Tafsir-ul-Biyaan says these words (as you have accused him off) :"Ãæ Öãä * (íÈÊÛæä) * ãÚäì íÍÑÕæä¡ Ãí: íÍÑÕæä Ãíåã íßæä ÃÞÑÈ Åáì Çááå¡ æÐáß ÈÃä íÒíÏæÇ Ýí ÇáØÇÚÉ æÇáÎíÑ

"

This statement is no-where to be found in Tafsir of at-Tabarassi.

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Here is what at-Tabarassi wrote:

In Majma' al-Bayan, Tabrisi,Vol. 6, p. 650:

æ ÇáÎÈÑ Þæáå « ÃÞÑÈ » æ íßæä ãÚäÇå íäÙÑæä Ãíåã ÃÞÑÈ Åáíå ÝíÊæÓáæä Èå æ ÇáÌãáÉ ãÊÚáÞÉ ÈíäÙÑæä ÇáãÖãÑÉ æ íÌæÒ Ãä íßæä Ãíåã ÃÞÑÈ ÈÏáÇ ãä ÇáæÇæ Ýí íÈÊÛæä .

"His statement "aqrab" means that they [the people who are prayed to] are themselves look to see who is closest to Allah, and then using him as an intermediary....

Link: http://www.islamkutuphanesi.com/arabic_ara.../6/index10.html

Ok, I give you advantage of doubt as you also say "La Illaha Illalah" ...... and it may be you are not a "Kadhaab", but making a mistake here. In any case, you should do the "Tauba" and may Allah (swt) forgive you for your mistake. Amin.

Edited by zainabia

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