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Ibn Taymiyyah Says:

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Modern day Salafis don't like this, obviously. But, it is the fatwa of their beloved Imam, Ibn Taymiyyah. This is the exact text:

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( ãÌãÚ ÇáÝÊÇæì ÇáãÕÑíå áÇÈä ÊíãíÉ Õ 62)

Majma' al-Fatawa of Ibn Taymiyyah, p. 62

Ibn Taymiyyah cites the opinions of Imam Shafi'i, Imam Ahmad, Imam Ishaq and others who permitted praying behind people who were bad in their opinions. He then asserts that there is no difference in the texts with regards to the Jahmis, Qadris and Rafidis. Prayers behind them too are valid.

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I guess that makes us muslim.,......lol

Obviously, Brother. That is why I posted it in the first place. Forget about the hot rhetoric. They are never sincere. Otherwise, why do they allow Shi'as to participate along with them during Hajj?

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This is a fatwa from Imam Bukhari:

�I don�t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.�

(Khalq Af�aalul-�Ibaad, p.14)

Imam Bukhari (ra) WAS one of the greatest scholars ever, maybe #1.

Edited by Waqas 411

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This is a fatwa from Imam Bukhari:

�I don�t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.�

(Khalq Af�aalul-�Ibaad, p.14)

Imam Bukhari (ra) WAS one of the greatest scholars ever, maybe #1.

Oh yes your bukhari al-nasibi fool. I won't pray behind any deviant person who believes the following (that is all sunnis!); Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 373:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, 'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will create a new creation to fill it with."

That fire is putting up such a fight that Allah(SWT) is going to allegedly put his "foot" in the fire to stop it; according to bukhari al-nasibi.

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This is a fatwa from Imam Bukhari:

�I don�t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.�

(Khalq Af�aalul-�Ibaad, p.14)

Imam Bukhari (ra) WAS one of the greatest scholars ever, maybe #1.

Where can i find this Waqas?

Thank you

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Where can i find this Waqas?

Thank you

On the Ahlel Bayt website (which is censored by Shia Chat lol)

And Brent, you have NO, NO, NO idea what kind of man Imam Bukhari (ra) was. Go read about his biography and his venues of knowledge.

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On the Ahlel Bayt website (which is censored by Shia Chat lol)

Which book, page number?

I need this so if u can help me out.

Thanks mate

Which book, page number?

I need this so if u can help me out.

Thanks mate

Ok found it

(Khalq Af’aalul-’Ibaad, p.14)

where is this book and where can i buy it from please?

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Which book, page number?

I need this so if u can help me out.

Thanks mate

Ok found it

(Khalq Af’aalul-’Ibaad, p.14)

where is this book and where can i buy it from please?

Also is it really there?

Does any one have this book?

Just kinda strange that all these sunni's marry Shia's, male and female.

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I couldn't find the initial quote. Instead, I found him saying that there are different views attributed to Imam Ahmad. Could you please bring a scan of the page or a link to a website that contains the quote in its context?

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I couldn't find the initial quote. Instead, I found him saying that there are different views attributed to Imam Ahmad. Could you please bring a scan of the page or a link to a website that contains the quote in its context?

I can PM You if you like?

Its really wierd cause what he is saying is that even eating from a shia is haram

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Sharukh Khan married a Hindu - since when are awam the basis of ahkam?

Sharukh Khan doesn't look so religious to me Mufti.

Anyways this is something new. I don't know why you have to debate everything, Can you confirm if this is right?

Is actually there in the book and where can i get it? Any bookstore?

I will PM you the ref Muhawir.

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Sharukh Khan doesn't look so religious to me Mufti.

Anyways this is something new. I don't know why you have to debate everything, Can you confirm if this is right?

Is actually there in the book and where can i get it? Any bookstore?

...

No, I couldn't and coupled with that - your brother (OP) is fond of and regularly lies. What I know for a certainty is that modern Hanbali ulema (like Ibn Taymiyah) and modern Salafi ulema have not permitted this is the asl hukm...

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No, I couldn't and coupled with that - your brother (OP) is fond of and regularly lies. What I know for a certainty is that modern Hanbali ulema (like Ibn Taymiyah) and modern Salafi ulema have not permitted this is the asl hukm...

What are you talking about. My question was very simple Mufti. I asked if this Fatwa was really there in Bukhari's book or is it made up.

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This is a fatwa from Imam Bukhari:

�I don�t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a (Shia) Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmis/Rafidhis) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.�

(Khalq Af�aalul-�Ibaad, p.14)

Imam Bukhari ra.gif WAS one of the greatest scholars ever, maybe #1.

Actually bro, the fatwa is from Imam Ahmed, while Al-Bukhari was just quoting him.

I asked if this Fatwa was really there in Bukhari's book or is it made up.

Yup, it is on p. 38 in the one I got.

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