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Thinking Of Moving To Canada...

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Okay i dont know what part of canada you live in but the people i knew had done drugs and time and a whole lot of other stuff.

Obviously not the same part as the rest of us Canadians are living in; and drug issue: as if they don't happen in London :wacko:. LoL @ divorce rate, at least it's better than having the highest teenage pregnancy rate.

Funny i didnt witness much multiculturism.

Well after reading your posts here, I don't really blame you lol.

Your answers would be appreciated yaar.

Too many hawzah questions towards me, I don't live in that city or go to hawzah so I don't know much. Though I know two people who do go there and I there are some members here from Windsor who can answer you better.

Really? You got a source for that buddy?

We Canadians are taught this in high school - and we are proud of it B) - and you can simply just search the web for Human Development Index and can see for your self -_-

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='Aal-e-Imran' date='Sep 27 2008, 03:50 PM' post='1757452']

Obviously not the same part as the rest of us Canadians are living in; and drug issue: as if they don't happen in London :wacko:. LoL @ divorce rate, at least it's better than having the highest teenage pregnancy rate.

I was talking about the muslim community divorce rates. Doesnt canada have the 3rd highest abortion rates anyways. maybe thats how they keep figures down eh? Actually i know of abortions after mutah. I told u where i live and u live in a different area and so maybe there are differnces, ud know better.

Well after reading your posts here, I don't really blame you lol.

was that a personal attack? I didnt get it, maybe our wits differ.

I have learnt that canadians can be nationistic and proud and aggressive and so i wasnt expecting anything less than defensive arguments. Ali Imran if u find England ugly and such a terrible place, why do u visit every year and why do ur family still wanna live in a place they dont like? Im khoja, i have no homeland. I dont mind the UK and its th only home i know.

Salaam

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(salam)

Actually i know of abortions after mutah. I told u where i live and u live in a different area and so maybe there are differnces, ud know better.

Yah man, I better move to Richmond Hill quick. Only a few months left till I turn 20 and the chance to experience this mutah-vibe first hand will vanish.

was that a personal attack? I didnt get it, maybe our wits differ.

Relax, no one is attacking you. I meant that after reading the experience you have had, it's quite obvious that you didn't experience any 'multiculturalism'.

Ali Imran if u find England ugly and such a terrible place, why do u visit every year and why do ur family still wanna live in a place they dont like?

LoL, look who is getting personal now :rolleyes:. Anyways, no point comparing the 2nd most expensive city in the world, with such a serious issue with crime and drugs to the 56th most expensive city that is highly rated in the Human Development Index.

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Yah man, I better move to Richmond Hill quick. Only a few months left till I turn 20 and the chance to experience this mutah-vibe first hand will vanish.

yes Ali Imran

Relax, no one is attacking you. I meant that after reading the experience you have had, it's quite obvious that you didn't experience any 'multiculturalism'.

yes Ali Imran

LoL, look who is getting personal now :rolleyes:. Anyways, no point comparing the 2nd most expensive city in the world, with such a serious issue with crime and drugs to the 56th most expensive city that is highly rated in the Human Development Index.

yes....(yawn) Ali Imran.

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(salam)

Because it's Aal-e-Imran @), not Ali Imran :mad:, ya3ni the Family of Imran, Family of Abu Talib, ya3ni Naqvi Syed. . . you see the deep tingz happenin. . .

OK boss. Aal-e-Imran it is :lol:

(wasalam)

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I found canada very behind technoligically.

The top technological countries are United States and Japan. The U.S happens to be our nextdoor neighbours. So whatever "new technology" the U.S recieves, we do too. Indeed, we are the world's top trading partners. Canada is way ahead of U.K in technology, because of our proximity to the U.S.

Anyway, it's a no brainer. Why would anyone choose the U.K over Canada? Our crime rate is very low compared to the U.K, we have better standards of living, excellent human resources, good business infrastructure, lower unemployment rate, decent universities, and as I said before, we are more welcoming to immigrants than any country. In fact, Canada is the most multicultural country in the world.

Really? You got a source for that buddy? :P I mean the best place to live thing, not the migrant thing lol. But yeah, I've always found Canada very appealing, & have been thinking about moving there lately.....if only I can get my whole family to move over there with me :donno:

Well, we were first in the world for 7 years in a row (data was provided by the OECD). We are ranked 1st among G8 countries. We are currently ranked 4th in the world. And the UK, a very low 17th!

The list below displays the top-ranked country from each year of the index. Canada has been ranked the highest ten times, followed by Norway at six times. Japan has been ranked highest twice with Switzerland and Iceland placed at the top once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Also compare the life expectancy at birth

Ranks: Canada #8 UK #36

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...r/2102rank.html

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The top technological countries are United States and Japan. The U.S happens to be our nextdoor neighbours. So whatever "new technology" the U.S recieves, we do too. Indeed, we are the world's top trading partners. Canada is way ahead of U.K in technology, because of our proximity to the U.S.

So why is it that this laptop that im using cost me 400 dollars more in canada dell than here?

why was it that people have better mobile phones here? Infcat why are your charges for cable and cell phone rental so high with such limitaions?

Why was it that a laptop that i originally wanted wasnt even out in canada when it was out in london and cheaper than its expected price in canada when it was expcted to come out?

I disagree that u guys are ahead technoligically on a street level. I think in canada u have to be of the very wealthy to enjoy the luxuries us average folk enjoy here. maybe u just plain rich bro, MashaAllah! Why is it that the poor dont get to go to uni there?

Please speak facts, give me figures please. And i dont mean the figures government agencies cook up. I want facts on the street cos thats whats really important.

Anyway, it's a no brainer.

yah ud think

Why would anyone choose the U.K over Canada? Our crime rate is very low compared to the U.K,

I went to the worst school in barnet. I didnt do drugs, i didnt ever see a gun at school and i neverfelt and still dont feel like i need to carry a knife like the people i hung out in the ever so priviledged area of richmond hill. Again on a street level ur facts mean zilch. I was exposed to more gang life their than here.

we have better standards of living,

not really cos u guys work so many more hours and are even scared to ask for sick days. Whats the averae vacation amount? 2 weeks? here its 4 to 6. And most of us dont have to be up at the crack of dawn to start rediculas 7 oclock shifts.

excellent human resources

like what?

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good business infrastructure

yeah if ur jewish

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lower unemployment rate

are you talking in general. nearly everyone in that complex had [Edited Out] jobs or was on social. They were so unmotivated to improve their lives.

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decent universities

you mean where the rich attend? Look at the amount of unis we have here in comparison. Get serious!

, and as I said before, we are more welcoming to immigrants than any country

phwh! you are seriously deluded. Welcoming. It is well known that canad is one onf the hardest places to get residency. I found it hard and i was educated, had a daughter who was a canadian citizen, i was born in the UK. I guess if i wouldve said i was gay and fleeing the iranian shariah law, i wouldve had an easier time. Why is your airport so racist? Why do they hassel hijabis with samll babies. I have travelled through pearson intl. many times and each time has been awful. I get people coming upto me on the plane and telling me how 'impressed they are by me" like its a shock that a hijabi can speak english or has manners. I ofcourse always grasciously accept the compliment cos they think they mightve made my day. Once when i was in the line getting ready to get grilled in immigration with my baby in the sling (and i was alone travelling which was almoset alwaysthe case) there was a black lady in her late 50's getting grilled so harshly. I almost had to interupt but i i couldnt. The white lady grilling her was so cruel and was shouting at her even though it was clear that the african lady's english was not fluent. She was holding onto her bible and when things were getting really bad she said "Im telling you on the bible" and the HORRID cashier kept saying "get that thing outta here". Yaa Allah! What a horrible place canada can be. You see, the candians dont see this. They are fooled and almost in a trance a little like the people of the US of A.

In fact, Canada is the most multicultural country in the world.

I disagree again on a street level its not. In a country where khoja people cant speak their native language that place is NOT mulicultural...its a place where you are welcome to come as long as you loose your culture. Curry is England No. one favourite food. I speak gujrati to my kid in PUBLIC. I am proud to be Indian. I wear my hijab with pride. I dont feel the need to be english-fied even though my dad was been here 6 decades and is more english-fied than me. I dont feel the need to support england in sports. I dont feel the need to print the british flag on everything i own like u guys. Infat that would be offensive to most people here as a symbol of national front. Yes we get it u guys like maple leaves....haha another thing about canada, maple syrup is EXPENSIVE TOO!!!!!

Haha get this, my biore facewash was made in canada and i got it cheaper here in the uk!!!! That says it all

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i dont know why you keep making false accusations. I live here and I know for a fact that none of those things are true. I talk with my friends in public in Urdu. I dont know what raptors are or what that hockey team is... something about a leaf... england is just too expensive :S no savings whatsoever atleast you can save something here.

and everyone knows UK is more racist than Canada... the whole europe is more racist

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(salam)

^LoL allow it man, she lived in that Richmond Hill Khoja complex, has her experience from that little area and being clearly bias and blasting the Shias of the city and blowing things way out of proportion. It's obvious she hasn't experienced the Ulema/Ayatullah hating malangs residing in London and how women staring at bare chested men in the juloos in the streets exist as if it's the streets of Lahore - so much for hijab (oh, am I generalizing. . . ) and oh ya don't forget the men outside during the majlis lighting up spliffs and coming in as soon as the matam starts. Namaz, what's that? Oh ya, the non-duppata wearing girls outside London mosques are present as well and something not just unique to Le Parc (Toronto). Chadars on the street, it aint' no mini-Mashad or Qum in London, I go to a Desi mosque and some wear Irani-style chadars to the mosque and to the protests here as well but it's not the normal dress code to universities or at schools however you'll see women and girls wearing abayas on the streets or at universities and even in high school. I wonder how many Shia girls she's seen wearing Chadars on the streets of London on a regular basis as part of their usual dress code. The London community doesn't revolve around CYC and neither do the Shias here revolve around that one complex or the girls at Le Parc. I'm glad we don't have dogs sniffing our hand carriages like they did to us at Heathrow because we were boarding on Iran Air.

Oh by the way Hussain, I got $7000 loan this year from OSAP @).

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The more poor you have the more money you get. I dont know how a poor person cant get an education in toronto. Its just the lazy people who complain about not being able to afford it. But infact they are just stupid. Besides we have more than enough scholarships. If you just get a bout B+ you get scholarship. On top of that there are other ones you can apply for. Many people are just graduating off scholarships

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(salam)

^LoL allow it man, she lived in that Richmond Hill Khoja complex, has her experience from that little area and being clearly bias and blasting the Shias of the city and blowing things way out of proportion. It's obvious she hasn't experienced the Ulema/Ayatullah hating malangs residing in London and how women staring at bare chested men in the juloos in the streets exist as if it's the streets of Lahore - so much for hijab (oh, am I generalizing. . . ) and oh ya don't forget the men outside during the majlis lighting up spliffs and coming in as soon as the matam starts. Namaz, what's that? Oh ya, the non-duppata wearing girls outside London mosques are present as well and something not just unique to Le Parc (Toronto). Chadars on the street, it aint' no mini-Mashad or Qum in London, I go to a Desi mosque and some wear Irani-style chadars to the mosque and to the protests here as well but it's not the normal dress code to universities or at schools however you'll see women and girls wearing abayas on the streets or at universities and even in high school. I wonder how many Shia girls she's seen wearing Chadars on the streets of London on a regular basis as part of their usual dress code. The London community doesn't revolve around CYC and neither do the Shias here revolve around that one complex or the girls at Le Parc. I'm glad we don't have dogs sniffing our hand carriages like they did to us at Heathrow because we were boarding on Iran Air.

Oh by the way Hussain, I got $7000 loan this year from OSAP @).

I see u are of the deluded as well. i was dog searched with my belongings at peasron !!!! Shows how much u know ur own country. R U so nieve ???? And why were you bording to iran from the Uk? Could it be that its so darn expensive to go from your own country?

I forgot to mention once when i was so BORED in canada i took out the ikea catalogue and it was the exact same as the uk and so i called my bro in Uk to test how expensive canada is and the exact things placed on the exact same pages of an identical catalogue were about 15-30% more expensive when converted into equivalent currency. I realise ikea is european but why is ikea always full in canada if they can get real oak and better quality from candian timber products at cheaper prices? maybe cos canada is so expensive that they feel a european company is cheaper. To us Ikea is considered cheap so why would someone in canada CHOOSE to shop there at high prices? Please explain this to me.

I socialised with everysector in canada. I was related to the poor and the very rich. I didnt spend all my time in richmond hill. I like the way you canadians are so cruel and suggestive and u lol as if to dismiss what i say. Its a dog eat world with you isnt it. U guys dont take criticism well at all. U actually call me a liar (poster above u)? How dare you. You bellilet my experience and sweep it under the carpet. You are disgusting.

OSAP: you pay more in interest everymonth that the actual payment. 80$ permonth over 14 years of which 45 dollars is interest. I saw the statement and i was there when my family member called the osap people to confirm this. Still calling me false? You want me to say kasam?

Uh yes they do wear abaya in daily life too. What im lying? These people are my friends and family and u still say i am not seeing what i am? They wear abaya/jilbab in and out of school.

Please dont compare non religious pakistanis and iranians in the Uk to the rest f us. Thats me comparing the masses of iranians that drink and are muslim by name in your country.

Uh i saw a jooloos in canada on you tube with naked men. Thats happens world wide. It happends in iran, syria all over. You sound so ignorant and actually frustrating. its like the toture of watching CNN listening to you lot.

If i sound angry its cos i still suffer from nightmares about what i saw in Canada. You have no idea. The other night i had a nightmare about pearson where they were taking my crying baby out of my arms cos they wanted to question me. But in my dream a muslim guy told them to wait and i woke up without knowing if my baby was with me or not at the end. I have been scarred by just even this small aspect so it really really really hurts me that u guys belittle that and acuse me of falsehood. You know what? I would never expect understanding from a canadian cos u people are so clinical and hard and 'happy' in your cacoons. Typical that when u cant argue with facts you just call the other person a liar. So many a times i came to people in canada for help. I had evidence and witnesses to what happned and they just kept telling me otherwise even when the fact spoke for themselves. In the end i left it to Allah (SWT) to deal with the currupted people. There are times when you very people will talk of someone and inside i will wanna tell u lot that this person has done this to me or i have seen this with my own eyes but whats the use? I am just one person just like on this thread defending what i saw as truth and not false.

SR VEILED, COME TO YORK UNIVERSITY FOR WEEKLY DUA E TAWASSUL TUESDAY NIGHTS :D

Which organisation is this and where is it held and whom for? I am asking cos i know of a group for york region, some organisors currupt as muck. These are not accusations. I have EVIDENCE on my laptop with names. Its too disgusting material to bring up and i would prefer to delete the c--p but i need it as evidence.

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Im not a british basher either. But when uve sirted out the negatives i do know many positives about England. For example where i live there are about 5 or 6 SHIA centers in within a three mile radius that the centres cant decide who gets to do Juma salat. Do u get that in Canada?

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The more poor you have the more money you get. I dont know how a poor person cant get an education in toronto. Its just the lazy people who complain about not being able to afford it. But infact they are just stupid. Besides we have more than enough scholarships. If you just get a bout B+ you get scholarship. On top of that there are other ones you can apply for. Many people are just graduating off scholarships

Our degress are 3 years after alevels. That means by 21 or 22 we have our degree. With you its much longer. We even have candians studying here cos its faster.

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I see u are of the deluded as well. i was dog searched with my belongings at peasron !!!! Shows how much u know ur own country. R U so nieve ???? And why were you bording to iran from the Uk? Could it be that its so darn expensive to go from your own country?

While I am amused by the assumption from both sides but this one just takes the biscuit.

Two points to consider here are simply this; you do not know why he boarded from London yet you assumed that it is because of the expense from Canada. However some research would help here, maybe you should pay more attention to the Europe form and see where he was and you will realise how absurd your conclusion sounds

Secondly, so you got dog searched and you feel insulted? Maybe you have not experienced anything at Heathrow or for that matter at any of the local airports of UK. I am a frequent traveller, in a year I make at least 6-8 trips aboard and within UK from different airports in UK, this is now after 5 years. Before I would make much more than that however due to being stop continously and being questioned and searched at different UK airports I had to cut down and seek alternative form of travel. In UK, I have been stopped many times for no reason. I have had a much worse experience than yours. You sound as if being dog searched is insulting then maybe you should next step out at heathrow and see what happens. Dog search is what they class low form of security precaution, if you ever get a chance do inquire about the precautions at Heathrow and you will be more stunned than you were by the dog search.

OSAP: you pay more in interest everymonth that the actual payment. 80$ permonth over 14 years of which 45 dollars is interest. I saw the statement and i was there when my family member called the osap people to confirm this. Still calling me false? You want me to say kasam?

And what is the interest on the Student loan here in UK? Compare that to the interest these guys are paying in Canada and you will see the difference is great. Even their payments of $7000 when converted comes to around £3500 which is nothing for a student living in London due to the expense. Travel alone in London costs more than £10 a week especially if you are based in central. Accomodation is expensive too.

Even if you are paying $45 a month out there which amounts to around £24 is still less than the interest charged here. For instance, in average a University student in UK in his 3 years of degree builds up a debt of £9000 from the loan. Every year there is a compound interest which is around on average £300 or so a year over three years the interest is already around £900 or more which has increased the debt upto nearly £10,000. If the graduate does not get a job over £18K then he/she do not have to pay anything back till they start earning that sum which means the interest continues to calculate. Imagine how badly you are hit by the interest in this over a 5 year period alone.

Our degress are 3 years after alevels. That means by 21 or 22 we have our degree. With you its much longer. We even have candians studying here cos its faster.

It might be faster, but what is the job success of a newly graduate? The graduation scheme of many companies are closing up simply because there is either no jobs avaliable or they do not wish to take on people due ot the current economical climate. So the next batch of graduates will be leaving UK to find jobs or will have to settle for less pay than they deserve or go in a different field altogether.

Lastly, do tell me how do you find UK cheap or below Canada given that they have a VAT of 17.5% which is nothing but making the rich more richer and the poor more poorer. Not to mention the whole VAT rebate in the system which actually makes the business people well off as they are able to claim the VAT back while we consumers in UK are having to dish out 17.5%.

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AssalamuaAlaykum,

this is fpr the OP whom i really wanted to inform. I actually wouldve preffered not to post on here cos i know how these people get but someone pmd me and i didnt wanna let this person down and so i did to my much regret. You can see the way the use "WE are this, WE in Canada...etc.." A bit like in the Quran when terms like "We" are used to represent God. Like they are an Authourity. facts are brain fed into them at school but their individial thinking is very narrow. Any deviation from what they are taught is normal is wrong or fabricated. I got frustrated with canadian TV news etc.. Its SOOOOOOO basic. They get talked to like they are so stupid. i didnt wann say this but seeing that they decided to flaunt their arrogence on this thread its about time they hear what i have to say about them. Infact its not only me. We all know what the world thinks of the US . well i was reminded by a poster telling me about technology above that they are Neighbours. And so u see they have adotpted a lot from the americans not just good points. They can never ever be wrong. They argue well cos of these facts drilled into them but when u talk to them, u see theres nothing. I NEVER saw politics discussed in the mosque or in public. i felt lecturers from England that visited also kept to basic levels in their speeches. Im not saying all canadians are like this, just a lot. people used to tell me "how do u live there in Canada, the people are stingy and always thinking about money and are stupid". i didnt say anything cos once i admitted they were right, i would find living there even more difficult than i already did.

I donno if they know this but there are soooooooo many caucasian canadians in england. Why is that if ur country is so great?

You asked for an opinion and i think out of all these people i am a brit who has lived on both sides and has seen the poor life in both coutries and the more elite also. How could it be that in two years i saw so much? Is that logical? Are these facts on my computer false? Are my health care bills there imaginary? Is my 100 page immigration form imaginary? Are all the stamps on my passport of my travels through pearson Imaginary? Did i Imagine two years of life up?

Uh actually i wanted to say something about the healthcare. Unless u are given a residence card, u are not intitled to health care. i applied through family sponsrshop and its about 18 months before u get health care. The application is a very expensive and extremely difficult process. Ask anyone who has done it. Until then i payed for health care but its not that expensive.

You asked about the muslim schools. i dont know where u live but u will know that UK has many many muslim schools. there is one shia one in london and the sister school in toronto. They do very well and have won awards for best sceince project in the region and things like this which is very good. I would suggest that if u choose to educate your kids there, also make sure they do extra curricular in subjects that will keep their free thinking alive. Install your own news channels. take loads of holidays so that your kids dont forget their roots and stay open minded. Holdays are not cheap from Canada.

Dont get fooled by the farsi writing everywhere, its mainly for the masses of the shah and canadian iranians and not neccesarily a sign that theres loads of practising muslims like i thought when i first visited and was impressed by it all.

Salaam

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I see u are of the deluded as well. i was dog searched with my belongings at peasron !!!! Shows how much u know ur own country. R U so nieve ???? And why were you bording to iran from the Uk? Could it be that its so darn expensive to go from your own country?

Deluded LOL. You are the one making it sound like Shias of London are from heaven :lol:. Wow you got searched by a dog :o. I guess there's nothing to compare and contrast since the same thing happens in London - where all the passengers boarding the planes got their belongings sniffed by a dog. Not to mention when I landed, we got raided by police officers and each one of us got checked and our passports checked, while we are still on the plane as they were looking for some one suspicious (nothing unusual). At least you don't get comments like "Go back to your country you Paki" - Paki being used in it's original racist connotation - in Canada, cuz' no one really has the right to say it. Not to mention the half-strip searches I have to go through every time I'm at Heathrow which all happen to be "random checks". Erm, I didn't pay anything cheaper, I still paid flight to London + Iran which is 2 separate tickets and that $2000 grant from OSAP sure did help financially.

but why is ikea always full in canada if they can get real oak and better quality from candian timber products at cheaper prices?

I've never stepped foot in an Ikea in Canada and I live a few minutes away from one.

You bellilet my experience and sweep it under the carpet. You are disgusting.

Aww, did we hurt your feelings, don't worry: the carpet is from Ikea. We don't belittle your experience - clearly a bad and unusual one, but we sure didn't take your bias, aggressive and generalized comments (which you've done in the past as well) generalizing Shias of Toronto very kindly. It would be considered some sort of criticism if it was constructive and if the Shias of London were any better off.

OSAP: you pay more in interest everymonth that the actual payment. 80$ permonth over 14 years of which 45 dollars is interest.

$80 per month, damn you just made me smile. Here I was thinking I had to pay like $200 per month :!!!:

Uh yes they do wear abaya in daily life too.

Yah, and so does my mom and so many women and many girls that I know and have seen. Again, nothing to big up London with, since it happens here too.

Please dont compare non religious pakistanis and iranians in the Uk to the rest f us. Thats me comparing the masses of iranians that drink and are muslim by name in your country.

Please don't compare non-religious Khojas at Le Parc and in a Richmond Hill complex to the rest of us in Toronto who attend mosques besides Bayview.

Uh i saw a jooloos in canada on you tube with naked men. Thats happens world wide. It happends in iran, syria all over. You sound so ignorant and actually frustrating.

Oh all of a sudden it becomes a world wide issue. What about the girls dressing up as a fashion show in Muharram and people standing outside mosques, that's only limited to Toronto and exclusively to Le Parc and therefore Shias of London are more religious than Toronto Shias. Good stuff.

i still suffer from nightmares about what i saw in Canada. You have no idea.

Trust me, I have gotten more than enough ideas from this thread :wacko:.

Which organisation is this and where is it held and whom for?

Some Canadian universities have a TMA (Thaqalayn Muslim Association) which is a Shia based student organization for Shia students (just like there is a MSA).

Do u get that in Canada?

Wow. You are comparing a city which has mosques in a few miles radius due to the population of the Shias there (in the city itself) to a city which has only a couple of thousand Shias who are more than happy going to the mosque in their respective areas and don't have to figure out which mosque should have a Jummah in. So no, we don't get it in Canada.

Our degress are 3 years after alevels. That means by 21 or 22 we have our degree. With you its much longer. We even have candians studying here cos its faster.

Wow, Canadians studying in UK :o? I don't have any UK people studying @ my Uni at all :rolleyes:. And before you get so excited, we get our degree by 22 as well. While you guys are in 2nd year A-Levels we are in 1st year university and while you guys do 'three' years of university after that, we do '2nd, 3rd and 4th' year of university.

Anyways, the very attitude and aggressive nature that I speak about amongst the British is visible on this thread. More than half the 'negative' things you mentioned in your original post, all happen in London; perhaps even on a larger scale at times due to the larger community. I have nothing else to say to you as you have clearly blown things out of proportion.

Wassalam

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Two points to consider here are simply this; you do not know why he boarded from London yet you assumed that it is because of the expense from Canada. However some research would help here, maybe you should pay more attention to the Europe form and see where he was and you will realise how absurd your conclusion sounds

Yes i did do my research. I lived in canada and it is very expensive to travel to dubai, syria, iran from there. They recently in the last couple of years have ehtiyat airways and this is a bot better. mayny people travel from canada to here inorder to travel to the east. So what exactly is absurd?

Secondly, so you got dog searched and you feel insulted? Maybe you have not experienced anything at Heathrow or for that matter at any of the local airports of UK. I am a frequent traveller, in a year I make at least 6-8 trips aboard and within UK from different airports in UK, this is now after 5 years. Before I would make much more than that however due to being stop continously and being questioned and searched at different UK airports I had to cut down and seek alternative form of travel. In UK, I have been stopped many times for no reason. I have had a much worse experience than yours. You sound as if being dog searched is insulting then maybe you should next step out at heathrow and see what happens. Dog search is what they class low form of security precaution, if you ever get a chance do inquire about the precautions at Heathrow and you will be more stunned than you were by the dog search.

Actually it was ili imran who felt insulted.please refer back. He thinks it only happens here. I also have traveled alot and out of airports beside heathrow. whats ur point? Maybe paste and copy and put in reply to his post and then u will make more sense. Trust me the dog search was nothing compared to the other stuff. i feared rape and my child being snatched from me during the ordeals. The place gives me nightmares, doesnt that say enough?

And what is the interest on the Student loan here in UK? Compare that to the interest these guys are paying in Canada and you will see the difference is great. Even their payments of $7000 when converted comes to around £3500 which is nothing for a student living in London due to the expense. Travel alone in London costs more than £10 a week especially if you are based in central. Accomodation is expensive too.

Yes i agree rent is cheap there. Did i say othewise? I took out a student loan and so dont feed me that rubbish. I pay less than 14 pounds interest/month on 10 grand. Theres years where i dont even have to pay any of it off. Again, facts are going against your argument. Thats better than 55% interest like they pay.

Like travel doesnt cost more than 10 pounds there on public transit. Get real! people have to use cars more. They travel such far distances and insurance is expensive there. And cars are too.

Even if you are paying $45 a month out there which amounts to around £24 is still less than the interest charged here. For instance, in average a University student in UK in his 3 years of degree builds up a debt of £9000 from the loan. Every year there is a compound interest which is around on average £300 or so a year over three years the interest is already around £900 or more which has increased the debt upto nearly £10,000. If the graduate does not get a job over £18K then he/she do not have to pay anything back till they start earning that sum which means the interest continues to calculate. Imagine how badly you are hit by the interest in this over a 5 year period alone.

Not really i took out my loan in 1998. i only paid on one or two years and i took out the max allowable. I still owe less than what i took out (about 5 or 6 grand, i havent got a statement recently but i know its low from my last one).

It might be faster, but what is the job success of a newly graduate? The graduation scheme of many companies are closing up simply because there is either no jobs avaliable or they do not wish to take on people due ot the current economical climate. So the next batch of graduates will be leaving UK to find jobs or will have to settle for less pay than they deserve or go in a different field altogether.

Uh the same situation in canada. It depends on what you do. I qualified and entered a job that paid literraly 10 times more than what i earnt a day before i qualified. if ur stupid enough to do some silly arse degree than what do u expect. There are jobs in the UK, but the benefit system keeps the lazy.

In canada the educated work in macdonalds. Its just like here where the immigrants have bad jobs. Taking my qualification there meant i would have to retrain to do the same job. Its like that everywhere, not only england.

Lastly, do tell me how do you find UK cheap or below Canada given that they have a VAT of 17.5% which is nothing but making the rich more richer and the poor more poorer. Not to mention the whole VAT rebate in the system which actually makes the business people well off as they are able to claim the VAT back while we consumers in UK are having to dish out 17.5%.

Haha you are joking. Canadian VAT exists too but u pay it on top. Its like 14%. Ask them they will know better than me exactly what it is. Are you arguing facts. Please compare ikea prices. Go on the toys r us website an compare the fisher price aqua healthy high chair. Im just giving examples. Food is anpother topic but apparently i shopped an an expensive version of their lidl?????? Or am i blind that i see $3 when ali imran sees 1??? OHGosh the prices of an eyetest??? Theyre frames selection is very poor...but again thats fashion and they are lagging.

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Got no time to see all the posts but if you guys want to move to the cheapest place where you can buy what you desire :P , then I'd like to move to the USA. They got crazy discounts on Computer Hardware there! :!!!:

:wub:

Though Canada is in my MOVE TO list :P , it's near the US anyway, can cross the border, avail crazy discounts then get back to Canada :P .

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Al e imran. I am not suprised at your sarcasm. Nor ur arrogence. Its all typical and expected. Now that u cant fight with facts nor can u call me a liar you resort to making fun. You set a good example and a true one to the OP about canadian people. RUDE and ARROGENT.

Deluded LOL. You are the one making it sound like Shias of London are from heaven :lol:. Wow you got searched by a dog :o. I guess there's nothing to compare and contrast since the same thing happens in London - where all the passengers boarding the planes got their belongings sniffed by a dog. Not to mention when I landed, we got raided by police officers and each one of us got checked and our passports checked, while we are still on the plane as they were looking for some one suspicious (nothing unusual). At least you don't get comments like "Go back to your country you Paki" - Paki being used in it's original racist connotation - in Canada, cuz' no one really has the right to say it. Not to mention the half-strip searches I have to go through every time I'm at Heathrow which all happen to be "random checks". Erm, I didn't pay anything cheaper, I still paid flight to London + Iran which is 2 separate tickets and that $2000 grant from OSAP sure did help financially.

Hehe like u dont get that in canada. At least i dont get stared at by kids who have never seen a hijabi. At peason, i just keep my passport open cos i am constantly asked for it. It is not exlclusive to UK. We have had bad experiece at heathrow, whats pearsons excuse?

I've never stepped foot in an Ikea in Canada and I live a few minutes away from one.

Thats nice to know. I advise u not to. Its a rip off.

Aww, did we hurt your feelings, don't worry: the carpet is from Ikea. We don't belittle your experience - clearly a bad and unusual one, but we sure didn't take your bias, aggressive and generalized comments (which you've done in the past as well) generalizing Shias of Toronto very kindly. It would be considered some sort of criticism if it was constructive and if the Shias of London were any better off.

What poor akhlaq. Dont you have any compassion or feelings? you dont feel hurt when muslim sisters suffer at the hands of racist rednecks to the point where they suffer nightmares months and momths later? I dont see how facts are bias.

$80 per month, damn you just made me smile. Here I was thinking I had to pay like $200 per month :!!!:

U must get ripped off a lot.

Yah, and so does my mom and so many women and many girls that I know and have seen. Again, nothing to big up London with, since it happens here too.

happens more in london.

Please don't compare non-religious Khojas at Le Parc and in a Richmond Hill complex to the rest of us in Toronto who attend mosques besides Bayview.

yeah i wont but u need to do the same.

Oh all of a sudden it becomes a world wide issue. What about the girls dressing up as a fashion show in Muharram and people standing outside mosques, that's only limited to Toronto and exclusively to Le Parc and therefore Shias of London are more religious than Toronto Shias. Good stuff.

again u need to do as u say as well

Some Canadian universities have a TMA (Thaqalayn Muslim Association) which is a Shia based student organization for Shia students (just like there is a MSA).

yeah thats not the one i know. Seems good. We have things like that here.

Wow. You are comparing a city which has mosques in a few miles radius due to the population of the Shias there (in the city itself) to a city which has only a couple of thousand Shias who are more than happy going to the mosque in their respective areas and don't have to figure out which mosque should have a Jummah in. So no, we don't get it in Canada.

at the end of the day, it is still a non muslim country and so yes an achievement.

Wow, Canadians studying in UK :o? I don't have any UK people studying @ my Uni at all :rolleyes:. And before you get so excited, we get our degree by 22 as well. While you guys are in 2nd year A-Levels we are in 1st year university and while you guys do 'three' years of university after that, we do '2nd, 3rd and 4th' year of university.

Okay so how many of the canadian on SC will have their degree by 21?

Anyways, the very attitude and aggressive nature that I speak about amongst the British is visible on this thread. More than half the 'negative' things you mentioned in your original post, all happen in London; perhaps even on a larger scale at times due to the larger community. I have nothing else to say to you as you have clearly blown things out of proportion.

yes u lot dont take criticism well at all.

Wassalam

(salam)

You complain way too much. Life isn't fair any where (though it's a bit more fair in Toronto :P). Live with it.

Zara28 - sorry for ruining your thread @).

okay so now its complaining to tell things how they are? No facts? So now u act like im complaining? What about ur hissy fits all the way along this thread. Yeah you did ruin a lot including my weekend.

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Yes i agree rent is cheap there. Did i say othewise? I took out a student loan and so dont feed me that rubbish. I pay less than 14 pounds interest/month on 10 grand. Theres years where i dont even have to pay any of it off. Again, facts are going against your argument. Thats better than 55% interest like they pay.

Like travel doesnt cost more than 10 pounds there on public transit. Get real! people have to use cars more. They travel such far distances and insurance is expensive there. And cars are too.

You pay a low interest after you start earning simply because due to your wages you pay off the loan. When you are not employed and still at university the interest amounts to this much. I have done my calculations because after graduation I have been in this situation where my job does not reach the level mark where I have to pay back the money which means I have no choice but to let the interest accumulate unless I use my wages to pay off and living in London that is quite tough ask any young professional.

Cars you say? Right how much is the congestion charge in London? And what is better driving around or using the public transport in London? Do the maths in terms of the time and the money and see how much that amounts too.

Are you really sayin that car prices in Canada are more than in UK? :blink:

Not really i took out my loan in 1998. i only paid on one or two years and i took out the max allowable. I still owe less than what i took out (about 5 or 6 grand, i havent got a statement recently but i know its low from my last one).

Have you checked how many times the legislation regarding Student fees has changed? The most recent was just last year due to the this whole notion of top up fees again which is implemented in London at first and then the rest of the countries.

Moreover, students from pre-2000 are given much more lee way in paying back the loan. I know students from the late 90s who basically had to only make a one off payment of £3000 or around £5000 pounds to cover their whole loan unless they were doing degrees such as Medicine or Dentistry. This is something which is currently happening here in Scotland with the Scottish students. The UK board changed its law after realising how badly they lose out however the privilige of this is still kept there for the students who took out the loan before the change so its a win win situation for them.

Uh the same situation in canada. It depends on what you do. I qualified and entered a job that paid literraly 10 times more than what i earnt a day before i qualified. if ur stupid enough to do some silly arse degree than what do u expect. There are jobs in the UK, but the benefit system keeps the lazy.

In canada the educated work in macdonalds. Its just like here where the immigrants have bad jobs. Taking my qualification there meant i would have to retrain to do the same job. Its like that everywhere, not only england.

Please stop being judgemental :)

I did Pharmacology, a degree which is potentially can land one of the most paid jobs in UK however your position in a company is zilch unless I have postgrad of some form simply because the companies themselves are making their standards higher and moving away from employing just undergrads. They want more experience and more qualifications, those undergrads that took on the jobs there are now stuck in a dead end job since their promotion will be a long long time simply because of the company policies. The other scenario is that the companies prefer to take on people from their own region, for instance where I studied I managed to land a job however finding a job in my home town is virtually impossible simply because my degree is not from a University in that region.

Haha you are joking. Canadian VAT exists too but u pay it on top. Its like 14%. Ask them they will know better than me exactly what it is. Are you arguing facts. Please compare ikea prices. Go on the toys r us website an compare the fisher price aqua healthy high chair. Im just giving examples. Food is anpother topic but apparently i shopped an an expensive version of their lidl?????? Or am i blind that i see $3 when ali imran sees 1??? OHGosh the prices of an eyetest??? Theyre frames selection is very poor...but again thats fashion and they are lagging.

Even if it 14% compared to 17.5% is still much more and as I stated the VAT rebate is the other factor which rips off the consumer. As a business of any sort if your profit is anything more than 20K or 50K in a year depending on the type of business you can reclaim your VAT back. If this is in Canada then it is no different than UK but if it is not then its worrying.

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Now that u cant fight with facts nor can u call me a liar you resort to making fun. You set a good example and a true one to the OP about canadian people. RUDE and ARROGENT.

LOL :!!!: @ Facts. I've mentioned like half a dozen times now about the Human Development Index; what more stronger fact do you want. You brought one case of Khojas @ Bayview and generalized while I brought the case of so many ulema bashing malangs, duppata wearing women, sheesha smoking and 10 layer of make-up wearing hijabis on the streets to top it off with crawling Wahabis. I'm having doubts as to why people were rude to you. Usually it's a well known reality that Canadians are some of the nicest people in the world. Perhaps you are being too judgmental on others and not realizing that it may just have been you provoking them to behave in such a manner. Just a thought.

At least i dont get stared at by kids who have never seen a hijabi.

I am starting to wonder now if they were actually staring cuz' of that.

What poor akhlaq. Dont you have any compassion or feelings? you dont feel hurt when muslim sisters suffer at the hands of racist rednecks to the point where they suffer nightmares months and momths later?

LoL, really should be the last person talking about akhlaq man. Stop being all emo now. What are you, the oppressed of the time and others don't have any troubles to go through in life. Give me a break.

U must get ripped off a lot.

Nah, it's you who had to pay $3 for a cucumber. Not me.

happens more in london.

Yah, maybe . . . just maybe because you got more people in London, genius. Just like I'm sure more haram happens in London too.

yeah i wont but u need to do the same.

You made the initial claims, I'm just rebutting them.

Okay so how many of the canadian on SC will have their degree by 21?

I would have had mine by 21 but I will get it by early 22 (I'll be done my courses when I'm 21) since I didn't take a few credits last year and didn't finish them up in the summer either as I went for ziyarah. Are you going to argue that London is better because you can get it there by 21 and we get it by 22.

yes u lot dont take criticism well at all.

You lot whine too much; I think it's cuz' since life is so busy and annoying in London and everyone's whining there all the time anyways, that people come to Toronto and find that there is nothing to whine about here so they start whining about that.

Yeah you did ruin a lot including my weekend.

No one asked you to mess with Canadians B), should have known better after the 2 years experience you had @).

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'Aal-e-Imran' date='Sep 28 2008, 07:01 AM' post='1758099']

(salam)

LOL :!!!: @ Facts. I've mentioned like half a dozen times now about the Human Development Index; what more stronger fact do you want. You brought one case of Khojas @ Bayview and generalized while I brought the case of so many ulema bashing malangs, duppata wearing women, sheesha smoking and 10 layer of make-up wearing hijabis on the streets to top it off with crawling Wahabis. I'm having doubts as to why people were rude to you. Usually it's a well known reality that Canadians are some of the nicest people in the world. Perhaps you are being too judgmental on others and not realizing that it may just have been you provoking them to behave in such a manner. Just a thought.

Yes i know the facts drilled into you. What about prices? Its you that is judging people. Just like u dont go to ikea, i dont do shisha, i wear hijab, no make-up in daily life and respect ulema.

I told u i have some lovely friends from canada but i still witnessed rudeness to other people. I am very socialble and can blend into any converation be it islamic, policatical or even silly issues but im saying that in Canada i felt that in order to get along with people i had to be a moulded person like them. I actually used to travel to England every few months to feel normal again and then id be rejuvinated to take canada for a few more months. Obviously from other posts ive made in social family issues , u will know i suffered the hands of my ex and that didnt help and i was left to settle myself and alot of friends i made by myself and i tried to do things on my own for me and my kid cos in England i had a very actice life. I found not having a car there hindered me a lot where here i can use public transport and its fine. The friends i did have in Canada loved me and i loved them and we are still in contact. In the streets i got a lot of attention cos of my accents and at mosque cos of my paternal status and name and education and even though i couldve enjoyed the benfits of all these, i couldnt be part of that crowd that made people feel inferior. I find that here too but i guess i got sick of getting judged and treated hot cold depending on what part of my life i wished to share. People warned me when i got there that dont tell people what u are cos they will brown nose you. I thought they were kidding cos im not somin great and just very oridinary but i felt it did happen. I have never provoked anyone in UK. Actually shia chat is the only place where i say things that rub people up cos for the two years in canada i was mentally abused by my ex that i stopped speaking. I do know my opinions differ to a lot of people but thats cos i have a lot of questions in my life. Its behaviours i saw on other people cos if i wouldve wanted i couldve enjoyed the attention i got.

LoL, really should be the last person talking about akhlaq man. Stop being all emo now. What are you, the oppressed of the time and others don't have any troubles to go through in life. Give me a break.

when did i say that. Are these lines you have pre fixed in your mind that when all faild 'pull one out'?

Nah, it's you who had to pay $3 for a cucumber. Not me.

Actually i often didnt pay that price cos i didnt pay for grocery and i have consideration for other people.

I would have had mine by 21 but I will get it by early 22 since I didn't take a few credits last year and didn't finish them up in the summer either as I went for ziyarah.

See u have summer school. Thats doesnt count. We have 4 months summer break. So in actual fact your course are much longer.

You lot whine too much; I think it's cuz' since life is so busy and annoying in London and everyone's whining there all the time anyways, that people come to Toronto and find that there is nothing to whine about here so they start whining about that.

True. We do whinge. Its the weather and the greyness but im whining about you lot when id rather forget. I only posted cos of the pm and ni wish i hadnt cos i hate remembering how some people are.

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'Aal-e-Imran' date='Sep 28 2008, 07:01 AM' post='1758099']

(salam)

I am starting to wonder now if they were actually staring cuz' of that.

Please explain this comment or do u think u can say what the heck u want? have you forgotten Allah(SWT) or is it that u have spent so much time around non hijabis that u forget what one looks like? I was in a que at the dollar store with my friend and a baby in the stroller. I wasnt in niqab. just a headscarf, and normal hijabic loose western clothing. i usually wear a slight smile naturally and the dollar store makes me happy sometimes and so i wasnt stressed like when i come accross the likes of you. So please now exlplain your comment.

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