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Misogyny is probably even worse.

Male-bashing could prove 'disastrous,' authors warn

New book on misandry

Graeme Hamilton, National Post, November 14, 2001

MONTREAL - Men feeling down on themselves need look no further than their local greeting-card shop or video-rental store for an explanation, the Montreal authors of a controversial new book argue.

In Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture, McGill University professor Katherine Young and co-author Paul Nathanson warn that male-bashing is so pervasive in movies, television, comic strips and even greeting cards, it could have "disastrous consequences" for society.

Dr. Nathanson, who has been working with Dr. Young on the project for 15 years, said misandry -- the hatred of men -- is unexplored academic terrain.

"I don't even know how to pronounce it," he said during an interview yesterday. "I've never heard the word used." He said the U.S. Library of Congress has three books under the heading of misandry but thousands under misogyny -- the term for hatred of women.

The authors hope their book, published by McGill-Queen's University Press, will make the word a part of everyday vocabulary.

"Our hypothesis is that, like misogyny once upon a time, misandry has become so deeply embedded in our culture that few people -- including men -- even recognize it," they write.

Men who are offended are reluctant to take a stand because of "the taboo on male vulnerability," they write.

The examples of misandry cited cover a broad range. They refer to a greeting card that said, "Men are scum" on the outside and inside, "Excuse me. For a second there, I was feeling generous." They take issue with Blondie, Hagar the Horrible and Beetle Bailey, saying "pathetic men are de rigueur in comic strips."

The brunt of their attack, however, is reserved for television and movies, everything from Home Improvement and Beavis and Butt-Head to Sleeping with the Enemy and Silence of the Lambs. Men are laughed at, denigrated or demonized, receiving treatment that would never be acceptable if directed at women, they say.

Dr. Young, a professor of religious studies at McGill, said her research has attracted some hostility from "ideological feminists" who believe women are superior to men.

"As we wrote it, we realized it's going against the grain, and therefore it's going to be controversial," she said.

She added that being a tenured professor made it easier for her to take on the controversial topic without fear of harm to her career.

Some may be tempted to dismiss the book as another example of academics overly obsessed with popular culture. Its index is peppered with such entries as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Gloria Gaynor, Murphy Brown, Sex and the City and The -------. One appendix, titled the Misandric Week on Television, analyzes a week of TV Guide listings for examples of dastardly men.

The book is the first of three volumes about misandry the pair will publish with McGill-Queen's. Dr. Young said the issue needs to be explored because it is exacting a social toll.

Fed a popular-culture diet of men who are either hapless or downright evil, boys and young men are feeling more alienated, she said. "What group wants to live with constant negative stereotyping?"

Even more serious is the gulf such portrayals create between the sexes. "What happens to society when the prevailing world view is dualistic, with one group seen as good and the other as evil?" she asked. In their book, the authors warn such polarization could provoke a backlash.

"If men are told over and over again that they are not only brutal subhumans in general but also hostile to women in particular, they are likely to say, 'So be it ...' What goes around, according to the old saying, comes around," they write.

Copyright 2001 National Post Online

Edited by Muhammed Ali

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alsalam alaikum

this is true,,, the prophet said: at the end of time the men will imitate the women and the women will imitate the men

this is part of the reason , if the men are man enough they can request thier ligitimate rights rather than allwas hypocriticaly seek to fulfil thiers desires secretly...

the way i see it is that opression is both ways ... lots of women are opressed and lots of men are also opressd... teh reason we only hear about women being opressed is because they are physically weaker and the human instinct is to support the weak....

but its also from bias,,, many people dont know that the men are weak in other aspects and from my experince many men are controled by thier women to the whipping state ,,,,

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but its also from bias,,, many people dont know that the men are weak in other aspects and from my experince many men are controled by thier women to the whipping state ,,,,

Interesting, I never would have guessed that you thought that.

Anyway, I agree, we should not promote negative stereotypes of men. Of course, despite these stereotypes, men still have many more worldly advantages in almost every society, and they probably do not recognize it. However, nonetheless, that does not make it appropriate to be mean to men, and I agree with what the author is saying, that if we have higher expectations for men, then they will act according to higher expectations. And if we have lower expectations, then they will act according to lower expectations. And the same for women.

Perhaps we should revise that "male brain" picture we just posted... hmmmm... I wonder what we should put on it.............

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alsalam alaikum

many people dont know that the men are weak in other aspects and from my experince many men are controled by thier women to the whipping state ,,,,

wasalam

hmmm....if men suffer so badly at the hands of women, then why the desire to marry so many of them?

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In Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture, McGill University professor Katherine Young and co-author Paul Nathanson warn that male-bashing is so pervasive in movies, television, comic strips and even greeting cards, it could have "disastrous consequences" for society.

Dr. Nathanson, who has been working with Dr. Young on the project for 15 years, said misandry -- the hatred of men -- is unexplored academic terrain.

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"Our hypothesis is that, like misogyny once upon a time, misandry has become so deeply embedded in our culture that few people -- including men -- even recognize it," they write.

I think that it is very much just as bad as misogny but still does not have the same impact on men as they still have a lot more access to the power structure.

It is quietly accepted as politically correct in mainstream culture to gender bash men - but not to bash women. But both are really unhealthy.

Edited by Maryaam

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Genearlized male hatred is not a feature of pop-society alone. It is also very common on this forum as well. Every other day, we have a new topic against men...ridiculing, degrading and insulting them in different ways.

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Genearlized male hatred is not a feature of pop-society alone. It is also very common on this forum as well. Every other day, we have a new topic against men...ridiculing, degrading and insulting them in different ways.

Yes, that's right.

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It is a part of pop culture, which is more or less mainstream in the West thanks to the media etc... One of the worst aspects of it is the total disregard for many men who find it difficult to see their children because laws in the West favour the women with a strong bious. I remember in England there was a group of divorced dads who would put on Batman suits and climb buildings. Now in the West you have a whole generation of kids without a father and these laws are partly, I repeat partly, to blame. The family as we know it in the west has been chnaged drasticaly. May it never happen in the Muslim world -- and Allah knows we have problems as well.

Anyway, what were you sisters saying? I'm going to watch TV

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Genearlized male hatred is not a feature of pop-society alone. It is also very common on this forum as well. Every other day, we have a new topic against men...ridiculing, degrading and insulting them in different ways.

I think there are no reasons to hate men UNLESS you are one of the victim of men yourself. I think many women become 'feminist' because they are either hurt, abused, betrayed, dissapointed, lonely, not happy about their marriage.. etc.. all that awful stuff and they just need to let all the frustration go, mostly it's because of MEN that they are feeling that way and many can't do anything about it..

that's how misandry created... because I'm 1000 per cent certain, if you are contented about your marriage and your spouse there would be no reason to hate the opposite sex, or I guess that's what I think :)

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I think there are no reasons to hate men UNLESS you are one of the victim of men yourself. I think many women become 'feminist' because they are either hurt, abused, betrayed, dissapointed, lonely, not happy about their marriage.. etc.. all that awful stuff and they just need to let all the frustration go, mostly it's because of MEN that they are feeling that way and many can't do anything about it..

that's how misandry created... because I'm 1000 per cent certain, if you are contented about your marriage and your spouse there would be no reason to hate the opposite sex, or I guess that's what I think :)

thats like becoming racist because u got lynched by white folks. imagine if you met a guy who had a bad wife and he said to you "you women are scum"

too many haters on this forum

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Misandry (the book) has been criticised sharply for blanket assertions, misleading representation of the study of gender (i.e. gender studies programs etc. are about women only), and for a lack of scholastic rigour.

In fact, the authors themselves say in the book it was based "primarily on moral arguments," not sociological methodology. They also then say that "Someone in the social sciences should do this research" - the research to prove their book is correct!

Sorry, but it's not a reliable work. It's a moral-political diatribe with no factual underpinning. Whether or not there is misandry in the world, the book itself demonstrates nothing. It's the equivalent of a Wahhabi tract on the evils of the Shi'ah, only without any citations from Qur'an or hadith, just statements like "Shi'ah deify Ali! They oppress Sunnis - see, Iran and Iraq fought twice!"

It's a waste of paper. They make claims, then they state someone qualified should do the work to prove their claims are correct!

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they forgot the cartoon Kim possible, where Kim is far more competent than her side kick Ron stoppable. Theyre getting at the children too!

Art work often contain what the artist wants to convey. It may be their personal belief, or they may just be going along with the hype of the time. Perhaps the writer for Kim possible thought it was high time that there was a central female hero (who didnt wear lingerie equivalents) and was more capable than her male counterparts. Or they may have thought that their cartoon would get the get go if they addressed something very different that would appeal to the equal opportunity people. Its like shows which attempt to incorporate black actors/figures as successful people or heros, e.g. cosby show, thats so raven.

I remember being shocked at a TV ad where the female bangs her male partner on the head with a fry pan for being silly. I thought had it been the other way around, this TV ad would never have been allowed. There definitely is a double standard. The explanation for it however is not flattering to women though, as its that women are seen as the weaker sex, so her banging her male partner on the head with a fry pan is funny, just as we find kids abusing adults funny. e.g. home alone, and the little gordon ads :

Lots of people find the Little Gordon ads hilarious, whereas really its promoting the ill behaviour of Gordon Ramsey in little kids. But most people would tell you, you were just being too serious if you argued that. The only incidence where you will find children ridiculed or abused in popular media is in the case of brats/whiners/criers.

Come to think of it, people generally seem to get a buzz out of seeing other people act stupid, be ridiculed or even hurt/abused (just look at most of the aired videos in funny home video shows). Its simply not politically correct to see "ethnic people" in this situation, or women, so men, particularly white men, bear the brunt. (e.g. see latest Get Smart movie. get smart incidently is one of my dads fav series)

The fact is that popular culture is to see someone ridiculed/abused etc, and at the present time its PC to target adult males (white) in particular. Its also popular culture of any time to ridicule those in more powerful positions, e.g. politicians, parents, and yes men (it still is a male dominated world, even with all this misandry). People dont want to feel too guilty at finding the abuse/ridicule funny. Nevertheless, the fact also remains, that there are still brands/shows/cultures in abundance that demean women. e.g. playboy rabbit head logo brand. I also fail to find series like Sex and the City as empowering for women (and then contrived as misandrous) at all. e.g. Samantha, the eldest, most promiscuous/adventourous character explains to her gfs that performing demeaning sexual acts somehow puts women in power. A lot of these shows do not really shake off/attack misogynist views at all, and in fact confirm them as being held by women themselves.

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Lots of people find the Little Gordon ads hilarious, whereas really its promoting the ill behaviour of Gordon Ramsey in little kids. But most people would tell you, you were just being too serious if you argued that. The only incidence where you will find children ridiculed or abused in popular media is in the case of brats/whiners/criers

Holy!! That was the funniest stuff I've ever seen. The third one reminded me of my own school days. lol

think many women become 'feminist' because they are either hurt, abused, betrayed, disappointed, lonely, not happy about their marriage.. etc.. all that awful stuff and they just need to let all the frustration go, mostly it's because of MEN that they are feeling that way and many can't do anything about it..

Then you my friend, should drop out school and stop thinking about a job at the cookie factory. Stop embracing feminist privileges, unless of course you've been hurt, abused, betrayed, disappointed, lonely, not happy about your marriage (what? who the heck has NOT ever been disappointed hurt or lonely at some point in their life??).

Here's an idea, let's all take a Women and Gender Studies course. :D Then we'd prob realise that not all feminists adhere to socialist, anarchist, gender-abolishing, bra burning, mustache growing theories! The feminist movement did, believe it or not benefit some men (you know men can cry now or become nurses, ECEs, or even stay-at-home-daddies...hurray for alternatives to the status "gender role" quo.

On that note though, I think gender studies have gone forward for men and with the production of this book, it may go further. I do not think having a society that degrades any member of that society is beneficial. I could totally see how that damages society. I could throw that in with things like the consumer culture as well that is damaging.

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