Latest News From Pakistan

[Marbles]

Just thought of starting a news thread on Pakistan. Any thing new, interesting, happy, sad or tragic can be posted and discussed here.

I start with the sad and latest bombing of unfortunate policemen in Lahore, just a day before Pakistan's 62nd birthday.

[Marbles]

19:27 GMT, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:27 UK

Blast hits Pakistani police post

At least three people have died in a suspected bomb blast near a police post in the Pakistani city of Lahore.

At least nine people were hurt in the explosion. It is unclear if the blast was caused by a suicide bomber.

The attack comes as Pakistan prepares to celebrate the 61st anniversary of its independence on Thursday.

Pakistani security forces are often attacked by Islamist militants allied to the Taleban militia based in the rugged north-west of the country.

Twelve militants were killed in a missile strike in north-western Pakistan on Tuesday.

Thirteen people also died in the north-western city of Peshawar in a bomb attack on an air force bus on Tuesday.

Thursday's attack in Lahore appears to have targeted policemen on guard duty for the Independence Day celebrations.

According to AFP news agency, a policeman interviewed by the private Express TV station said he had seen the burning body of motorcyclist, whom he believed to be a suicide bomber, lying next to bloodied policemen.

"It appears the motorcycle rider blasted them. His body was making burning noises," the policeman was quoted as saying.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7559579.stm

[Rawshni]

Who do you think could have done it?

[Marbles]

^

Seems like a trademark Talibani attack.

Any other idea?

[The Green Knight]

For Lahore and any place nearby, they have their biggest base in Raiwind which is a town just outside Lahore. If you go to Raiwind you can not feel that you are in Punjab. The road that passes through the mullah stronghold and mullah-only market in Raiwind appears exactly like some FATA town. A believer would feel like a living person driving through a market full of dead zombies. This also happens to be the place where the PML-Q Chaudhries & son have been hiring thugs and assassins to do their bidding while they were in power until early 2008.

Outside Raiwind the mullah have built a vast underground structure secretly that spans over several acres. This is where they store their wanted personnel and equipment. On the ground above, each year there is a gathering of around 250,000 or so wahabies from around the country. Which is the biggest gathering of them anywhere in Pakistan.

I'm sure any bomber would come from that hellhole.

[The Green Knight]

21 more killed in Bajaur operation.

Thursday, August 14, 2008

By our correspondents

KHAR/PESHAWAR: Pakistan Air Force fighter aircraft and military gunship helicopters continued targeting suspected hideouts of militants in the restive Bajaur tribal agency, killing 21 more people, including three civilians, and injuring several others, officials said.

Meanwhile, the security forces vacated yet another important post near Siddiqabad. Sources close to Arab fighters denied reports about the killing of senior al-Qaeda operative and the network's operational commander in Afghanistan, Abu Yazeed al-Masri alias Mustafa Mohammad Ahmad or Sheikh Saeed al-Masri, in bombing by the Pakistani fighter aircraft on Damadola in Bajaur a few days back.

The Taliban militants, led by their commander Maulana Faqir Mohammad, on Wednesday handed over six more bodies of slain paramilitary soldiers, who were killed on Friday, to a local Jirga of elders and traders at Tank Khata village in the Loisam area.

Official and tribal sources told The News from Bajaur that fighter aircraft and the Pakistan Army Cobra gunship choppers heavily bombarded suspected militant positions and hideouts in various parts of the tribal region, including Pashat, Naraza and Mulla Said Banda in Salarzai tehsil and Inam Khwaro and Damadola in the troubled Mamond subdivision.

The officials claimed 12 militants were killed in the air strikes. In Jar Kalley of Utmankhel Tehsil, the officials said, a group of militants sitting on the roadside to target the security personnel through improvised explosive devices (IEDs) were targeted by gunship choppers that killed six militants.

There were also complaints by the fleeing tribal people that fighter aircraft and military choppers were mostly bombing civilian populations and villages rather than the militants still moving and operating freely in their strongholds in Mamond, Salarzai, Utmankhel and Inayat Kalley.

Also, the residents complained that despite heavy bombing by the security forces for the past several days, the militants were still occupying roadside checkpoints and security posts vacated by the paramilitary Bajaur Scouts along the border with Afghanistan.

In Pashat village, three tribesmen, including an elder, were killed when his house came under attack from a warplane. Some military officials associated with the ongoing military operation in Bajaur have claimed to have intercepted militants' conversation in which they said four Arab fighters, including Sheikh Saeed, were killed in the attack.

"I must tell you there is no reality in all these reports. Totally wrong, he is alive and far away from Bajaur," remarked a senior Afghan Taliban commander, who called this scribe from an undisclosed location.

Meanwhile, the paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC) vacated Bajaur's biggest FC post at Sadeeqabad near Khar. Sources close to the militants said the Taliban on Wednesday sent a delegation to Tableeghi Markaz in Sadeeqabad and gave them a letter in which they urged the Ulema and local traders to ask the FC officials to vacate the Sadeeqabad post or they would attack the post and then they would not be responsible if the local people and business community suffered human or material losses.

The Jirga, comprising elders and traders, including Fazlur Rahman, president Sadeeqabad shopkeepers union, Haji Sher Zamin and schoolteacher Nisar, later met the FC officials and the post was vacated by Wednesday evening.

Residents of Sadeeqabad village said the militants later reached there and started patrolling the streets. Similarly, a Jirga of elders and shopkeepers comprising Shah Mahmud, president of the shopkeepers of Inayat Kalley Bazaar, Khan Bahadur, president of shopkeepers of Khar Bazaar and Said Rahim, president Ittehad Mamond Tehsil, received six more bodies of the slain FC personnel.

These soldiers were killed during fighting with the militants near Tank Khatta village of Loisam area on Friday. The elders said local residents approached them and said that bodies of the slain soldiers were lying in the fields of the village.

The Jirga, after a meeting with the militant commanders, went to Tank Khatta village and retrieved the bodies of soldiers and took them to the Bajaur Scouts headquarters in Khar. However, militants' spokesman Maulvi Omar claimed they had handed over 12 bodies of FC soldiers to the Jirga.

Though denied by Maulvi Omar, people reaching the provincial metropolis complained that the militants had banned tribesmen from abandoning their houses in the Mamond area. "People have been stranded in Mamond Tehsil which is a stronghold of the Taliban as they are not allowing the residents to leave their homes and move to safer places," complained a resident of Inayat Kalley, Mohammad Irfan, who had shifted his family to Peshawar four days ago.

Meanwhile, cellular phone companies have stopped their services in Bajaur due to fuel shortage. People still braving the fighting and staying in Bajaur complained of lack of food items and medicines and high prices.

Source

[dan_rafi]

For Lahore and any place nearby, they have their biggest base in Raiwind which is a town just outside Lahore. If you go to Raiwind you can not feel that you are in Punjab. The road that passes through the mullah stronghold and mullah-only market in Raiwind appears exactly like some FATA town. A believer would feel like a living person driving through a market full of dead zombies. This also happens to be the place where the PML-Q Chaudhries & son have been hiring thugs and assassins to do their bidding while they were in power until early 2008.

Outside Raiwind the mullah have built a vast underground structure secretly that spans over several acres. This is where they store their wanted personnel and equipment. On the ground above, each year there is a gathering of around 250,000 or so wahabies from around the country. Which is the biggest gathering of them anywhere in Pakistan.

I'm sure any bomber would come from that hellhole.

Ah, thanx for the info bro!

[dan_rafi]

here is what I have been thinking since this war began!

US should've attacked Taleban targets in Pakistan before it even went into Afghanistan. Rule of war is, you first cut off the supply line... so that the morale of the enemy wud be weakened by lack of support, tangible or non tangible. Pakistan has been supporting Talebans in every shape n form.

Who is goin to drive them wahabbis out of the country? Pakistani government, which essentially has no interest in protecting the solidarity of the country? or the military who wears pakistani uniform but their loyalties are with the wahabbis?

It's a mess there ... i dont see any other solution for this problem besides US acting out on its own and hitting militant targets deep inside Pakistan. It should also put Pakistani government on notice that if u dont stop em we will, at any cost.

Taleban will continue to further destabilize Pakistan. and God forbid, if Nawaz Sharif ever becomes prime minister again.... shias will be worse off.

WS

[The Green Knight]

You're right dan_rafi, however misleading in a few aspects as you didn't fill in the empty blanks present there.

Do you know why and how wahabies have connection all around in Pakistan?

It is their achievement through hard work spanning from somewhere the mid 20th century uptil now. Eversince the brigand-turned Saud royal family has been granted control of the Arabian lands of Hijaz etc., whats called Saudi Arabia now, granted by the British for their treachery in WWI and help in defeating the Ottoman Empire (this is also why Mustafa Kamal got the excuse to hate everything Arab). They razed the tomb of the Prophet (pbuh) and a lot of other holy figures and looted it, insulted it, all as part of their faith, they looted Ka'bah and the pond of Zam Zam that contained ancient treasures deposited there by kings and pilgrims of all kind as a token of respect or a tribute to the house of God's holiness and their love for God.

Well, the Saudi organization has systematically working on an agenda and it has been brain washing a lot of the pilgrims each year who travel to Saudi for the Islamic obligation of Hajj. Their objective has been to remove the distinguishing line between the followers of Wahabism and the Sunnites. THIS is how they infiltrate everything. Any religious Sunni or Shia scholar who points out the difference between us and them is immideiately assassinated here in Pakistan. We have too many examples. Mostly in NWFP these days.

So the people have been under an illusion eversince. HOWEVER, that is changing for the good. Atleast for the misfortune of Talibanism. If you read the news reports, the common people are helping the Pakistan Army by providing accurate information and even supplying them man power and other form of support. And the way our army is destroying these vermin indicates that they do not have the hesitation they used to at the start of this war. Alhamdulillah wallahu Akbar!

Edited August 14, 2008 by Abu Dujana

[Rawshni]

^

Any scenario which is written down without highlighting the role of the Jam'aat Islami, the dalaals in chief of the Saaudis in Pakistan for the Saudis and their imperialist masters tells only half the story.

[The Green Knight]

^And the Saudi lackeys like Nawaz Shareef

[dan_rafi]

Insider's info... the whole lawyer mess in Pakistan, to bring down Musharaf gov., was funded and supported by the Saudi $$$ thru Nawaz Sharif.

And yes bro, you are right.... Saudi Arabian gov. has been supporting these fanatics inside Pakistan for a longtime. Wahabbi talebans are being fed by saudis via pakistan.

but, Pakistan still needs to be dealt with.. it shud be on the hit the list of US, if US is really sincere abt defeating the terrorism in the region.

WS

[Rawshni]

Nawaz Sharif is a very recent phenomenon.

His ideology is paisa, paaye, nahaari and kino.

And, though he was breastfed by the military establishment, he does not base his ideology on violence.

The Jam'aat, on the contrary, has always been a violent organization, and a very disciplined one.

[The Green Knight]

if US is really sincere abt defeating the terrorism

Obviously they're not, and I don't blame them. I feel that they've inaugurated this whole circus just to enforce Capitalism even more strongly in the region. Since we have too many people here who do not really strive to earn money or give a sincere effort to end their poverty in a way that benefits Capitalism. They've made sure that the lives of those who cannot cope with such an oppressive system becomes so troubled that they make effort to make sure to give their children to the system by educating them and making them work in corporations so they can buy food and survive. Those who do not afford such things, well, tough luck.

Also this whole thing gives an extremely bad image of Islam in the minds of the youth. After this is all done with, our politicians will be sure to keep the religion and state two distinct and seperate things. Our nation will look down upon the practitioners of faith. Just like Christianity in the West.

So I'll say it's two birds for Satan with just one stone.

His ideology is paisa, paaye, nahaari and kino.

:D LOL. So true.

The Jam'aat, on the contrary, has always been a violent organization, and a very disciplined one.

I beg to differ. They're all part of the same outfit. They're all working under agenda of Saudi and the West who're the masters of Saudi, regardless if any of them can see through the illusion or not.

[Marbles]

For Lahore and any place nearby, they have their biggest base in Raiwind which is a town just outside Lahore. If you go to Raiwind you can not feel that you are in Punjab. The road that passes through the mullah stronghold and mullah-only market in Raiwind appears exactly like some FATA town. A believer would feel like a living person driving through a market full of dead zombies. This also happens to be the place where the PML-Q Chaudhries & son have been hiring thugs and assassins to do their bidding while they were in power until early 2008.

I'm sure any bomber would come from that hellhole.

I have seen the glimpses of annual mullah circus at Raiwind. The truth is that I was awestruck to see so many clowns. The practice of Islam and the respect/love of people that it imparts is supposed to make your face nooraani. What I saw was nahoosat on every face from A to Z. That is not to say that all of them are terrorism supporting bigoted obscurantists. But my experience tells that majority come from the same type.

Outside Raiwind the mullah have built a vast underground structure secretly that spans over several acres. This is where they store their wanted personnel and equipment. On the ground above, each year there is a gathering of around 250,000 or so wahabies from around the country. Which is the biggest gathering of them anywhere in Pakistan.

How confident are you about any such underground hideout? and how do you claim that they store their people and equipment [weapons?] down there? Although Raiwind is a good place for ideological training in violence and terrorism, as far as I know, it does not prepare individual terrorists since are no 'proper training camps'.

If Pakistan, say, was to enact laws about 'hate speech' on the lines of British laws, nearly all Raiwind maulvis and others of their ilk will end up rotting in jails. The problem is that we do not have enough spaces in our jails.

[Marbles]

Meanwhile, the security forces vacated yet another important post near Siddiqabad. Sources close to Arab fighters denied reports about the killing of senior al-Qaeda operative and the network's operational commander in Afghanistan, Abu Yazeed al-Masri alias Mustafa Mohammad Ahmad or Sheikh Saeed al-Masri, in bombing by the Pakistani fighter aircraft on Damadola in Bajaur a few days back.

It says everything about their identity, beliefs, ideology and goals.

[The Green Knight]

How confident are you about any such underground hideout?

This is common knowledge for people like traders, workers and contractors, who frequent the place and have dealings with those molvi's for a while. I would give more illustrious proof if it would have actually helped in some way to pillage those hiedouts. But until then I'll save the details.

[Marbles]

here is what I have been thinking since this war began!

US should've attacked Taleban targets in Pakistan before it even went into Afghanistan. Rule of war is, you first cut off the supply line... so that the morale of the enemy wud be weakened by lack of support, tangible or non tangible. Pakistan has been supporting Talebans in every shape n form.

Who is goin to drive them wahabbis out of the country? Pakistani government, which essentially has no interest in protecting the solidarity of the country? or the military who wears pakistani uniform but their loyalties are with the wahabbis?

It's a mess there ... i dont see any other solution for this problem besides US acting out on its own and hitting militant targets deep inside Pakistan. It should also put Pakistani government on notice that if u dont stop em we will, at any cost.

Taleban will continue to further destabilize Pakistan. and God forbid, if Nawaz Sharif ever becomes prime minister again.... shias will be worse off.

WS

I'm inclined to support Nato-Pak joint military action up there provided that it is accurate and calculated unlike what the US has been doing in Afghanistan. Them cowards bomb and airstrike the villages and crowded places indiscriminately. Next day we hear that 1 militant and 30 civilians are killed. Pak Army attacked the area in a pretty similar fashion. This is counter-productive and devastating for Pakistan.

[Marbles]

Insider's info... the whole lawyer mess in Pakistan, to bring down Musharaf gov., was funded and supported by the Saudi $$$ thru Nawaz Sharif.

What is the source of this 'insider information'? Perhaps an audit of Nawaz's income has revealed a zanbeel connected to Saudi hands?

Saudis are least concerned with the lawyers mess. In that they would be telephoning their suggestions to the government of Pakistan to deal with them 'strictly' and 'forcefully' because no one should be able to speak a damn word against the government of the time. It is 'unwahhabi' and 'unislamic.'

[Marbles]

Obviously they're not, and I don't blame them. I feel that they've inaugurated this whole circus just to enforce Capitalism even more strongly in the region. Since we have too many people here who do not really strive to earn money or give a sincere effort to end their poverty in a way that benefits Capitalism. They've made sure that the lives of those who cannot cope with such an oppressive system becomes so troubled that they make effort to make sure to give their children to the system by educating them and making them work in corporations so they can buy food and survive. Those who do not afford such things, well, tough luck.

It is a bit far-fetched. The Western capitalist endeavors come as a by-product of this so-called war on terror but that doesn't mean that the threat of terrorism does not exist or the US doesn't want an end to it, at least for themselves. :)

Also this whole thing gives an extremely bad image of Islam in the minds of the youth. After this is all done with, our politicians will be sure to keep the religion and state two distinct and seperate things. Our nation will look down upon the practitioners of faith. Just like Christianity in the West.

Practicing Christians are not looked down upon in the West, dogmatic and fanatics are. Westerners also don't like anyone poking their noses into someone else's business or telling them what to believe and what to do, and hence their dislike for the imposition of a specific brand of God upon others. There is a pretty good reason to separate religion from the affairs of the state, innit?

I beg to differ. They're all part of the same outfit. They're all working under agenda of Saudi and the West who're the masters of Saudi, regardless if any of them can see through the illusion or not.

No such connection exists between Jama'at-e-Islami and Uncle Sam through the Saudis. It is a mistake to say that they work for the same agenda. Jama'at derives its strength from the money poured into its mouth by the Wahhabis of all nationalities while Saudi "royal" family relies on American weapons and support to save their a$$e$ and maintain their hegemony. It is clear that the ideological rift between the last taker and the first giver is poles apart and so the reason for their hatred of each other.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Jibran Haider

[Rawshni]

I beg to differ. They're all part of the same outfit. They're all working under agenda of Saudi and the West who're the masters of Saudi, regardless if any of them can see through the illusion or not.

So what is the point of difference? I have always been saying that the Jam'aat is a lackey of Western imperialism. I have further been saying that ANY and ALL organization that adopt religion as politics, whosoever they may be, whereever they may be, are in essence anti-people, pro-imperialism and pro-capitalism.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Rawshni

[sayedzeeshan]

One such news which didn't get reported in newspapers is that a doctor by the name of Liaquat Hussain was killed in his clinic by two assailants who were in white shalwar/kameez in Kohat. The motives seems to be sectarian. He was from a village "Ali zai" situated in Kohat.

There were some protests but the killers are still at large.

Taliban influence has grown in Kohat exponentially since a few months.

[The Green Knight]

Top Taliban leader feared dead in Bajaur air strike

Friday, August 15, 2008

By Mushtaq Yusufzai

PESHAWAR: Amid reports of the killing of prominent militant Taliban commander Maulana Faqir Mohammad in Bajaur Agency, the security forces on Thursday intensified the ongoing military operation against the militants in the troubled tribal region, killing 33 more Taliban fighters.

Military officials based in the troubled Bajaur Agency seemed quite satisfied with their success against the militants in Bajaur, saying two vehicles carrying important Taliban commanders, including their regional chief Maulana Faqir Mohammad and his close aides, were targeted in Damadola on Thursday afternoon.

“Two vehicles carrying senior Taliban commander Maulana Faqir Mohammad and his close aides were targeted by two gunship choppers. But I am not sure whether he (Maulana Faqir) died in the attack or not,” said a senior military official, wishing not to be named.

The sources said Maulana Faqir and his men were crossing a seasonal stream in Damadola village when all of a sudden two choppers attacked their vehicles. Military authorities said 11 militants were killed in the attack on the vehicles.

The officials said they were following both the vehicles right from the beginning when the militants were camouflaging these pick-up trucks with mud and maize crops near Omari area. “The choppers opened fire when the vehicles drove toward Damadola. One of the vehicles, which was loaded with ammunition and explosives, exploded,” said the military sources.

Spokesman for Taliban Maulvi Omar confirmed the air attack on double-cabin pick-up truck of Maulana Faqir, saying the vehicle was badly damaged. However, he said Faqir Mohammad remained unscathed in the attack, as he had just alighted from the vehicle.

The seemingly panicked and upset Omar said first two gunship choppers targeted the vehicles and then artillery and mortar shells were fired at the same position, which caused heavy loss to their people, but didn’t provide exact figures of his men lost in the attack. Sources close to Maulana Faqir also disagreed with reports about his death.

Similarly, four gunship helicopters continued blitzing militants’ suspected hideouts in their strongholds in Seway, Mamond, Mulla Said Banda, and Utmankhel Tehsil. According to military officials, 22 suspected militants were killed and several others injured when gunship choppers targeted a madrassah run by ameer of Tanzim Nifaz Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM), Bajaur Agency and Taliban commander Maulana Mohammad Munir at Seway in Mamond subdivision.

Officials said the militants were using the madrassah, built in middle of orchards, as their hideout. However, there were no details whether Maulana Munir, who is head of transport wing of the Taliban militants in Bajaur, was killed in the attack or not.

Tribal sources told The News from Bajaur Agency that there was a huge intensity in the week-long military operation against militants on Thursday.“For the first time I saw the military helicopters targeting accurate locations and hideouts of Taliban,” a tribesman Haji Rahmanullah told The News from militant stronghold Mamond tehsil.

On the other hand, government officials said the security forces first wanted local population to vacate the area so that they could easily figure out the militants and target them in their hideouts.

Majority of the population had already fled their homes and shifted to Dir, Mardan, Peshawar and rest of the districts where they are living in miserable conditions. PPI adds: The victims of Bajaur operation observed Independence Day as ‘Black Day’ against the ongoing military operation and staged a demonstration here in front of Peshawar press club on Thursday.

The protestors holding banners and placards chanted slogans against military operation, displacement of common people and increasing number of civilian casualties during the operation.They demanded of the government to immediately stop the operation and compensate the affectees.

[dan_rafi]

What is the source of this 'insider information'? Perhaps an audit of Nawaz's income has revealed a zanbeel connected to Saudi hands?

Saudis are least concerned with the lawyers mess. In that they would be telephoning their suggestions to the government of Pakistan to deal with them 'strictly' and 'forcefully' because no one should be able to speak a damn word against the government of the time. It is 'unwahhabi' and 'unislamic.'

salam

Since wen did the insider info have sources published?

Saudis are really concerned abt the killings of wahabbi terrorists in Pakistan under Musharraf's rule. They found out that the lawyer mess wud eventually bring down his gov. so they funded lawyers to wage daily protests. Many of the ppl in black coats are not even lawyers.....

anyways.... Saudis have played direct and indirect role in pakistani politics.

WS

[Rawshni]

^

This one of Zufiqar Ali Bhutto's greatest blunders. He gave the Saudis and the Gulf sheikhs a foothold in Pakistan's political arena

[The Green Knight]

^

It's true that a lawyer's TOP priority is money, and due to the nature of their profession, their LAST priority is to keep feelings or a conscience alive and in working order. It should be truly strange for any observer that of all communities, lawyers rise against the establishment and doing so many protests and rallies and NOT working? Surely there is something just not right there. While personally I know through reliable sources that lawyers were paid big time by their foremen. Knowing the steep prices of lawyers and their unquenchable greed, I feel that there may be truth in dan_rafi's theory. It certainly makes sense to me. There is also proof of Badmash Shareef's involvement via his PML-N minions. While Badmash Shareef himself = Saudia's agent -- no doubt there atleast. And he has a history of not only turning a blind eye towards great atrocities committed against the Shia in our country, the Wahabi extremists who carry out these crimes thrive and multiply greatly during when PML-N is in power.

Edited August 15, 2008 by Abu Dujana

[Rawshni]

There are few aspects of which we should take not lest we go astray:

As I said earlier, allowing the Saudis and the Gulf Sheikhs, particularly the Al-Nahyans of Abu Dhabi was one of Bhuttos greatest blunders. It has had an immeasurable impact on the dynamics of Pakistan's internal politics.

The Wahhabis thrived during the Zia years. Sipah Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi etc., were created during these years, with active support and collusion of the Zia administration, with the ISO being the link organization.

The Taliban, emerged during BB's second tenure as Prime Minister, and initially they were at loggerheads with the Wahhabis breastfed by Zia's government and the ISI. They were formed as vigilante bands to protec Pakistan's trade convoys passing through Afghanistan, which the Islamic Mujahideen of Afghanistan used to loot. Pakistan's then DMO, Pervez Mosharraf, organized, armed and trained the initial few bands, recruiting them from the madressahs along the Pak Afghan border, with help from Amjad Farooqi, a veteran of the so-called "Jihad" [killed by the army/ramgers/police in Nawabshah in 2002 I think] in collusion with Asif Ali Zardari and General Naseerullah Babar.

It is ironic that the Taliban, like Frankenstein's monster, very soon turned upon its own creator. By 1998 Taliban were attacking women in Peshawar, Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore, throwing acid on them, stabbing their faces and/or arms if these were bare.

That the TNSM [Tehreek Nifaaz Shaiat Mohammadi] of Sufi Mohammd predated the Taliban by more than a decade. It is a breakaway faction of that root vile organization, the Jam'aat-e-Islami.

The break may even be a drama. The TNSM may be pilot project of the JI.

[Ibn-e-Reza]

Most break-aways are illusory (tactical, I may add). On ideological layers, they all are ikhwa'an.

[Marbles]

salam

Since wen did the insider info have sources published?

Saudis are really concerned abt the killings of wahabbi terrorists in Pakistan under Musharraf's rule. They found out that the lawyer mess wud eventually bring down his gov. so they funded lawyers to wage daily protests. Many of the ppl in black coats are not even lawyers.....

anyways.... Saudis have played direct and indirect role in pakistani politics.

WS

I asked for source only, not published source. Insider or otherwise, information can't logically be sourceless.

There is no ground for the claim that lawyers movement is sponsored or infiltrated by the Saudis.

[Rawshni]

Most break-aways are illusory (tactical, I may add). On ideological layers, they all are ikhwa'an.

It might interest you that the Jam'aat and the Akhwaan al Muslimoon espouse the same vile ideology, and that the Jam'aat enunciated its ideo;ogy before the Akhwaan did, though both arrived at it independently of each other. Contacts between the two were established later.

There is no ground for the claim that lawyers movement is sponsored or infiltrated by the Saudis.

Millions of dollars were poured into the lawyers movement by Al Qaedeh. This is a fact.

[The Green Knight]

Millions of dollars were poured into the lawyers movement by Al Qaedeh. This is a fact.

By virtue of "whom does this accident benefit the most" thinking, it makes perfect sense too.

[Rawshni]

It does. The most often asked question is, who subsidized these 125,000 lawyers for over a year, when hardly five per cent of them are really high priced. The rest are simply mediocre stuff who have to EARN TO EAT.

[Marbles]

Millions of dollars were poured into the lawyers movement by Al Qaedeh. This is a fact.

. . .And how would you substantiate that claim.

Why would Al-Qaida [Al-Qaida?] fund lawyers movement in Pakistan?

Other anti-Musharraf forces? May be.

[Rawshni]

^

Many reasons.

The movement was spearheaded by the Jam'aat Islami, contrary to public perception.

Jam'aat Islami has always had links with AlQaedeh.

Transfer were made through the parallel channel to the tune of US$ 800 million.

Major open market currency dealer were involved.

Money was regularly distributed among lawyers not appearing in courts.

It was a very well organized operation.

The theme seemed to be "Anything to desrabilize Musharraf"

Al Qaedeh, anyway has many scores to settle with Musharraf.

[Marbles]

08:43 GMT, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 09:43 UK

UK accused of Musharraf exit deal

One of Pakistan's most prominent pro-democracy leaders, Aitzaz Ahsan, has accused a senior British diplomat of undermining his country's rule of law.

Sir Mark Lyall Grant was in Pakistan recently and reportedly urged the government to give President Musharraf immunity if he resigned.

Mr Ahsan said that any deal to give the president "safe passage" was wrong.

The British Foreign Office told the BBC it was working to avoid confrontation in Pakistan.

Mr Musharraf stepped down on Monday after nine years in power to avoid a move by the government to impeach him.

'Above the law'

As President of the Supreme Court Bar Association, Aitzaz Ahsan has emerged as one of the most effective and powerful pro-democracy leaders in Pakistan.

So his criticism of senior British Foreign Office official Sir Mark Lyall Grant, who recently visited Pakistan, is significant.

The Pakistani press reported that Sir Mark urged the government in Islamabad to reach a deal with the president by which he would resign and thereby escape prosecution.

"It's the Brits who have stitched the deal," Mr Ahsan said.

"Mark Lyall Grant... won't put a single man, a Britisher or non-Britisher in England or in the United Kingdom above the law and yet he comes here and puts the president above the law.

"Today giving safe passage out to Musharraf is allowing safe passage in to the next man three years down the line."

He said that Mr Lyall Grant was a "key figure" in undermining the rule of law.

Mr Ahsan said that he wanted President Musharraf to be tried in Pakistan for abrogating the constitution when he sacked scores of judges last November.

He himself was put under house arrest for his involvement in efforts to restore Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after President Musharraf suspended the constitution and removed him from the bench.

The British foreign office has responded to Mr Ahsan's statement by issuing a statement saying it had not prescribed a specific solution to Pakistan's political crisis.

It said that London was however keen that Pakistan found a way out of confrontation.

It is not the first time that Sir Mark Lyall Grant has played an active and controversial role in Pakistani politics.

Last year he was a key figure in persuading President Musharraf to drop a whole series of corruption charges against the then opposition leader Benazir Bhutto so that she could return to Pakistan and once again participate in the country's politics.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7571883.stm