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One In Five Iranians Live Below Poverty Line

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Again, as I (and others) already explained to you, the Infallibles ruled based on nass and not rationale, so please don't compare.

As far as economic prosperity being the deciding factor, no it's not the only deciding factor but along with justice - and justice here means concrete economic and judicial justice, nothing philosophical - they are the main factors.

Abu Sufyan did not spread the Kingdom "all the way to Europe", and whether I'm raised up with Abu Sufyan or not, is up to God and irrelevant to this discussion.

As is this particular post of yours, and those who are (in this thread) co-opinionists of you.

I'm not aqle kull, but I believe in what Sartre stated: You show the rest of the world what you think is good through your choices. Somebody that chooses to live in the U.S. while praising IRI as the next best thing to the ideal system has shown what he thinks is the best.

When did I say I support them? I have already told you, privately and publicly, that I believe in systematic changes, and that individuals should have, at most, a marginal effect.

Step number one is to localize and disseminate information about it. That's where we are today.

Nobody forced you to read the posts, and your opinion, while respected, is yours only. You have already had another member here tell you they are interested - and I get countless similar messages from others who find these posts informative and educational, and as a good balance towards the IRNA transcripts with AN speeches.

There are very few, if anything, positive coming out of IRI these days, and by "positive" I don't mean empty rhetoric which is the main product of IRI politicians. When I post them - and I post more than anybody else here - you don't complain, but you don't like to hear the truth.

You see that is what we need: more people reading Sartre! Forget those mediocre existentialists like Kierkergard give me someone who dwells on the word "no." While all you Muslims rant about "oh evry country has corruption and poverty" and "Iran is a growing experiment and needs fixing like every government" you people do not realize that the truth is in nike "Just Do It!" This Islam stuff is what you get when everyone reads Tabatabaei, Khomeini, Sadr, ibn Arabi etc... Who needs it. We need more chic philosophies like Camus.

I swear I wil be the first person o open up a Mcdonalds in Iran and I promise you before Ronald Mcdonald and Disney almighty I will make sure all Iranians are employed when I introduce Walmart in Tehran.

I dare anyone to get in my way.

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I don't need to get lectures on my own country from somebody who is not Iranian, nor knows much about the country except for a few news items here and there.

The poverty line is not because of "sanctions", it's because of mismanagent and corruption. Seems like "sanctions" is your reply to everything, whenever faced with criticism. Do you even know basic information about what goes on in the country?

Here we go again. Listen how many years have you lived there?

If you haven't lived there the past 5 years of your adult life, you don't have anything more to say about Iran than anyone else. Reading farsi doesn't make you more knowledgeable than others, specially with the way you analyze stuff you read, not to mention the the poor choice of sources you chose.

And yeah, sanctions and foreign bribing of Iranians to corrupt is a big problem. Its a valid answer. It's the only country in the world who is actually standing up for itself, and other Muslims. Yes there is corruption, and yes there is problems, but so was it under The prophets rule and Imam Alis rules in kufa, and Imam Hussein, and Imam Hassan.

What we don't need is people like you screaming out every time you see a problem.

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You see that is what we need: more people reading Sartre!

You claim to have read Sartre, and then say something like this:

I swear I wil be the first person o open up a Mcdonalds in Iran and I promise you before Ronald Mcdonald and Disney almighty I will make sure all Iranians are employed when I introduce Walmart in Tehran.

Please, don't go back to Iran.

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These debates go back to the 70s and early 80s, and possibly until Khomeini died. During that period, socialist policies were implemented with an islamic garb. That failed, so today in theory, we are having the 20 year vision plan (which is largely something I support): a country run by the private sector (minus some small things that have to do with national security) with the government supervising. And it's also called "islamic".

With all due respect you cannot simply say 'That failed'. Those policies you speak of were implemented whilst Iran was at war with the entire world. Literally.

Imam Khomaini (RAH) did not actually rule Iran for more than two years in a time of peace. One of those years was in the midst of post-revolutionary chaos, while the other was dealing with post-imposed-war destruction. If anything any policies of the period you speak of were a success. The country did not starve to death. I'd say that was a pretty big achievement, all things considered.

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(salam)

Can anyone confirm this news?

A group of 60 Iranian economists Sunday condemned the economic policies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and contradicted recent boasts by Tehran leaders who said the Islamic Republic has been successfully weathering the global financial crisis.

Iran had entered dire economic straits and must drastically change course. It also said Ahmadinejad's "tension-creating" foreign policy has "scared off foreign investment and inflicted heavy damage" on the economy.

Meager economic growth, widespread jobless rate, chronic and double-digit inflation, crisis in capital markets, government's expansionary budget, disturbed interaction with the world, inequity and poverty have combined with the global economic downturn to leave undeniably big impacts on exports and imports," the letter said.

The letter said Iran's oil-revenue-dependent economy was also hurting and would be further damaged if the price of oil continued to fall. Oil prices have collapsed from a high of $147 a barrel in July to around $60 on worries about declining future demand. Meanwhile, Iranian government expenditures have ballooned since Ahmadinejad took office in 2005 and launched a series of populist economic policies meant to curry favor with conservative voters.

"With oil prices in free fall . . . the question is to know how the government will finance its traditionally oil-dependent budget," said the letter, which included prominent former officials as signatories.

Instead of looking rationally at Iran's economic problems, the letter said, the government has based its view of domestic and international affairs on "extremist idealism" that has put the country on a dangerous path.

"The financial turmoil sweeping the world would not spare any country, and our statesmen should acknowledge this factual reality," the letters said. "The Islamic Republic should also make a contribution to resolving the world crisis."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...story?track=rss

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This article is dubious and obviously is another one of Waiting's selective articles, anything that is against Iran is good news.

Making 70 dollars a month is not quite living in poverty in Iran, if you consider that a stack of bread is about 20 cents.

As for anyone that has been or lives in Iran, the "jumping" prices are kind of very...false .. In the article it says Taxi have jumped, they have not. I recently travel by taxi every day.

As for him being elected because he would increase wealth, actually he has, and Iranians are becoming richer. But that is not why he was chosen.

It is rather strange that this Africasia quotes only one Iranian "news" source as saying that one in six lives under the poverty level.

Not to mention we have centers and organizations now that spend money on improving these peoples living condition and even arrange for incomes for people that have "absolutely" nothing.

Edited by Rubaiyat

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Rubaiyat ,no it's normal for one of the richest country in the world offers an average salary of 100 or 200 US dollars.

The regime in Iran is one of the most corrupt in the world and if you are honest with yourself you would agree here.

At least waiting is more honest than you are on this subject.

Edited by Omar Khayyam

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Rubaiyat ,no it's normal for one of the richest country in the world offers an average salary of 100 or 200 US dollars.

The regime in Iran is one of the most corrupt in the world and if you are honest with yourself you would agree here.

At least waiting is more honest than you are on this subject.

What's really laughable is the length kool-aid drinkers of the Iran fascist Dictatorship of Thugs and Murders gov't will go to try to deny any bad news about that dreadful, monstrous gov't.

They could detonate a nuke in a kindergarten, and its:

1-a zionist plot

2-a CIA/US plot

3-a CIA/zionist/mossad conspiracy

4-a martian plot and conspiracy

5-"you made that up"

6-Western media is flawed and makes up stories

It is just really funny, except that millions of unfortunate people are suffering its diseased grasp in Iran every day - and in other countries as well.

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What's really laughable is the length kool-aid drinkers of the Iran fascist Dictatorship of Thugs and Murders gov't will go to try to deny any bad news about that dreadful, monstrous gov't.

They could detonate a nuke in a kindergarten, and its:

1-a zionist plot

2-a CIA/US plot

3-a CIA/zionist/mossad conspiracy

4-a martian plot and conspiracy

5-"you made that up"

6-Western media is flawed and makes up stories

It is just really funny, except that millions of unfortunate people are suffering its diseased grasp in Iran every day - and in other countries as well.

Care to speak about Operation Ajax and all other American zionist plots to steal oil and oppress nations of people. Or is just all the same like when white christians stole "america" from the Native Americans and killed 100 million+ people after the Natives had helped them. These white christians even used germ warfare by giving the kind Native Americans poisoned diseased blankets as gifts. Iran is a nation of the blessed freedom fighters; unlike the genocidal blood soaked nation of "america" that killed 100 million+ innocent people that had once helped the bloodthirsty european/white christians.

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Care to speak about Operation Ajax and all other American zionist plots to steal oil and oppress nations of people. Or is just all the same like when white christians stole "america" from the Native Americans and killed 100 million+ people after the Natives had helped them. These white christians even used germ warfare by giving the kind Native Americans poisoned diseased blankets as gifts. Iran is a nation of the blessed freedom fighters; unlike the genocidal blood soaked nation of "america" that killed 100 million+ innocent people that had once helped the bloodthirsty european/white christians.

Ajax was over 50 years ago, its time to let go. The US was kicked around by Britain, and had to fight a war to break free, does the US still hold current Brits responsible?

100 million native americans is absurd, as there were only an estimated 500 million people ON EARTH in the 1700s. Regardless, it is an unverifiable number.

"Germ warfare"? WTF? Evidence, please.

"Blessed freedom fighters"? Whose "freedom" are they fighting for, the false "scholars" being free to torture and murder in Iran and other nations?

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Ajax was over 50 years ago, its time to let go. The US was kicked around by Britain, and had to fight a war to break free, does the US still hold current Brits responsible?

100 million native americans is absurd, as there were only an estimated 500 million people ON EARTH in the 1700s. Regardless, it is an unverifiable number.

"Germ warfare"? WTF? Evidence, please.

"Blessed freedom fighters"? Whose "freedom" are they fighting for, the false "scholars" being free to torture and murder in Iran and other nations?

Just read about British "lord" Jeffrey Amherst's correspondence to Swiss-British officer Colonel Henry Bouquet and their discussion of using germ ladened blanket "gifts" for the Native Americans had originally helped the stranded unprepared white christians that sailed over from Europe in the alleged "thanksgiving" story. There are many more proofs that the white christian europeans were plotting to kill the Natives with germs and many other things.

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Just read about British "lord" Jeffrey Amherst's correspondence to Swiss-British officer Colonel Henry Bouquet and their discussion of using germ ladened blanket "gifts" for the Native Americans had originally helped the stranded unprepared white christians that sailed over from Europe in the alleged "thanksgiving" story. There are many more proofs that the white christian europeans were plotting to kill the Natives with germs and many other things.

Yeah, ok, another clueless armchair historian pretending to know what they're talking about.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

"The Native American population was decimated after contact with the Old World due to the introduction of many different fatal diseases. There is, however, only one documented case of alleged germ warfare, involving British commander Lord Jeffrey Amherst and Swiss-British officer Colonel Henry Bouquet, whose correspondence included a reference to the idea of giving smallpox-infected blankets to Indians as part of an incident known as Pontiac's Rebellion which occurred during the Siege of Fort Pitt (1763) late in the French and Indian War. Any smallpox transmitted by Native American tribes was due to the transfer of the disease to blankets during transportation. Historians have been unable to establish whether or not this plan was implemented, particularly in light of the fact that smallpox was already present in the region."

Face it, the current iranian dictatorship is among the worst governments in human history, and is responsible for murdering some 40,000 people in iran in the 3 years after the 1979 revolution, and that is a documented FACT.

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Yeah, ok, another clueless armchair historian pretending to know what they're talking about.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

"The Native American population was decimated after contact with the Old World due to the introduction of many different fatal diseases. There is, however, only one documented case of alleged germ warfare, involving British commander Lord Jeffrey Amherst and Swiss-British officer Colonel Henry Bouquet, whose correspondence included a reference to the idea of giving smallpox-infected blankets to Indians as part of an incident known as Pontiac's Rebellion which occurred during the Siege of Fort Pitt (1763) late in the French and Indian War. Any smallpox transmitted by Native American tribes was due to the transfer of the disease to blankets during transportation. Historians have been unable to establish whether or not this plan was implemented, particularly in light of the fact that smallpox was already present in the region."

Face it, the current iranian dictatorship is among the worst governments in human history, and is responsible for murdering some 40,000 people in iran in the 3 years after the 1979 revolution, and that is a documented FACT.

What a joke! Your actually comparing the fighting that when on after the blessed Islamic revolution to what happened in the Americans when white european christians practically wiped out the Native Americans. Your truly a denier of the clear reality of the greatest holocaust in human history the white european christians killing of the Native Americans again all throughout Americas 100+ Million Natives were killed by white christians after 1492 C.E. and genocidal christoper columbus(la).

As for the post revolution period in Iran you also have no knowledge of this period. Somewhere in the range of 6 million people turned out on the streets of Iran to protest the illegal monarch shah pehlavi(la) and these same 6 or so million Iranians happily welcomed Imam Khomeini(ra) home to Iran. After the blessed revolution america, europe, and zionist "israel" took to schemes after having lost their colonial puppet shah pehlavi(la). The result was western, american, european, and zionist "israeli" funded, armed, and supported terrorist groups like the so-called Mujahideen-e Khalq(la). These terrorist groups, like the Mujahideen-e Khalq, carried out many terrorist actions like bombings and assassinations of important Islamic Republic of Iran officials; also these pro-west terrorist groups killed many innocent Iranian civilians.

The rightful Iran government won a vote to make Iran an Islamic Republic with Imam Khomeini(ra) as it's leader, the voting results showed that over 90% of the Iranian people wanted an Islamic Republic with Imam Khomeini(ra) as it's Supreme Leader. The rightful, elected Islamic government of Iran had a right to arrest and detain those western, american, zionist "israeli" puppet agents: like the terrorist, communist, secularist, zionists in the Mujahideen-e Khalq(la).

No alleged "40,000 people" were killed this is all myths of the west and zionists; only a handful of terrorists of the Mujahideen-e Khalq and other american/zionist spies were executed. Other then that some pro-zionist traitors were put in prison and some exiled; that is why you'll find these myths largely being pushed by exiled pro-west, pro-zionist "Iranians" who were supports of the late dictator shah pehlavi(la); these individuals always often were wealthy as they stole the Iranian peoples money along with their idol the demon shah pehlavi(la). These western, zionist lovers are anti-Islamic idiots that love america, zionist "israel" and are hated by 99.999% of the actual Muslim citizens of Iran. The fact these idiot zionist agents have to stay in america and europe means nobody likes them in Iran and everyone in Iran sees them for the traitor american/zionist butt kissing secularists sinners they are.

America, Europe, and Zionist "israel" till this day support terrorist groups that attack the Islamic Republic of Iran and kill innocent Iranian civilians. Most prominent among these current terrorist groups is still the pro-west, pro-zionist terrorist group the Mujahideen-e Khalq(la). Also most recently the Americans and Zionist "israelis" have taken a throw back strategy to 1980s Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion. The American CIA and zionist "israeli" mossad are supporting a Wahhabi "sunni" extremist terrorist group called "Jundallah" (or "Army of God") in the Sistan and Baluchistan region of Iran: which is around the Iranian border with Pakistan. This Wahhabi "sunni" extremist terrorist group the "Jundallah", that is supported by the American CIA and zionist "israeli" mossad, is also allied with al-Qaeda(la). In fact some people even believe that al-Qaeda(la) trains "Jundallah" fighters in the Wazirstan regions of Pakistan. The same place where osama bin laden(la) is said to be hiding. Also the terrorist wahhabi group "Jundallah" is also allied with the Wahhabi "Taliban" in Afghanistan and Pakistan: yet another American CIA supported terrorist group.

Edited by Abdul-Rahman Brent

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What a joke! Your actually comparing the fighting that when on after the blessed Islamic revolution

Like the massacring of the clereics who saw the type of dictatorship Khomeini was trying to establish, that looked as bad if not worse, than the Shah's?

to what happened in the Americans when white european christians

Enough of the re-direct/thread derailing.

As for the post revolution period in Iran you also have no knowledge of this period.

More than you apparently.

The rightful Iran government won a vote to make Iran an Islamic Republic with Imam Khomeini(ra) as it's leader, the voting results showed that over 90% of the Iranian people wanted an Islamic Republic with Imam Khomeini(ra) as it's Supreme Leader. The rightful, elected Islamic government of Iran had a right to arrest and detain those western, american, zionist "israeli" puppet agents: like the terrorist, communist, secularist, zionists in the Mujahideen-e Khalq(la).

No alleged "40,000 people" were killed this is all myths of the west and zionists; only a handful of terrorists of the Mujahideen-e Khalq and other american/zionist spies were executed. Other then that some pro-zionist traitors were put in prison and some exiled; that is why you'll find these myths largely being pushed by exiled pro-west, pro-zionist "Iranians" who were supports of the late dictator shah pehlavi(la); these individuals always often were wealthy as they stole the Iranian peoples money along with their idol the demon shah pehlavi(la).

More non-sense. For an objective, intelligent explanation of the events from 1978 forward, go here:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/islamic...after1979_1.php

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761588...on_of_iran.html

"later, he repressed his clerical opponents. By 1981 some 1600 people had been executed under Khomeini."

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Prty, stop quoting Wikipedia and American websites, it makes you look stupid in front of us.

We refuse to take you seriously, stop it.

I would like to come back to this Salafist extremist, whom Prty shares quite a lot with,

Rubaiyat ,no it's normal for one of the richest country in the world offers an average salary of 100 or 200 US dollars.

The regime in Iran is one of the most corrupt in the world and if you are honest with yourself you would agree here.

At least waiting is more honest than you are on this subject.

It is normal that one of the richest countries offers an average salary of 100 to 200 US dollars because most of our people do

1. most people do not live in the city

2. most people live modest lives, even before the revolution, that is the most essential element to Persian culture. even our Clerics, notably Ayatollah Khomeini ® lived daily on a tomato, tea and some bread

3. We have a debt because of U.S. terrorists attacks, both in the 1980's and later on which prevent us from progressing, both economically and technologically.

Just because we have oil does not mean we have to enslave your people, make them work for free and drive in lamborgini's, that is not our Islam, that is your Islam that people in the Persian gulf are used to doing who are not Shiites.

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