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Hazrat Ali (as) Versus Shaikhain Before Quran

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I have raised some simple questions and need simple answers(without philosophy):

The people who are called believers after they believe in the oneness of God, His angels, the day of judgment, all the prophets, finality of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and who r definitely following the path of Prophet(pbuh), what is the need to follow ahlul bait or imamat at that time? Was the presence of Prophet (pbuh) not enough for the believers of that time? Was Prophet’s guidance when he was alive not sufficed?

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bro chill from where you are standing your thinking might be correct, but my bro you have to move on and think deeper.

imagine iblees and all the malaika being connected to pure tawhid and then along pops the spoiler hazrat adam(as).

bro this is to find the true worshippers.

not those who are misguided by their self glorification in the worship

but they who in whatever station are still humble to wait for his beck and call

this submit to his beck and call is tawhid and not mine or your or all elses' sajda.

islam is peace and submission and not sajda.

What the nation of Muhammad did and doing right now?????

Did they start ‘SHIRK’? Are they doing ‘shirk’ for the last 1400 years??

It is insult to the nation of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

now if you read above, not doing things as he says and commands is shirk.

you don't obey him and still think it is tawhid, then

me thinks you need to read and understand with depth my bro.

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And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel. [surah Sajda Ayat No. 23]

The lives of Musa and the Holy Prophet are similar in many ways. Musa was given the Tawrat and the Quran was given to the Holy Prophet. Musa was ordered to fight his enemies and the Holy Prophet was also commanded to do the same. Musa had prayed to Allah to assist him with Harun as his deputy and the Holy Prophet was given Ali as his brother, successor and supporter. Musa's wife Safura fought against Yusha bin Nun and A-isha, the Holy Prophet's wife, fought against Ali in the battle of Jamal.

"Be not in doubt" is addressed to the people through the Holy Prophet.

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And We made of them Imams to guide by Our command when they were patient, and they were certain of Our communications. [surah Sajda Ayat 24]

The twelve Imams of the Ahl ul Bayt are the divinely commissioned leaders to guide mankind, and they are the custodians of the final word of Allah, with whom the Holy Prophet left the Quran (see hadith al thaqalayn) so that its meanings and application may not be corrupted by the hypocrites.

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in a Nasibi forum. I found the following post by a user who tried to compare the Companions of Mosus (as) with the companions of Prophet (pbuh) and tried to show a merit of Abu Bakar. Please rebut this argument.

As you know, the Qur'an is the best source to explain the Qur'an! So the ABC of every Tafseer is to first explain Qur'an by the Qur'an itself. Now ponder about the following verses and see the difference and status of the Sahabi Abu Bakr Al-Siddique (ra):

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ÝóáóãóøÇ ÊóÑóٲٓÁóÇ ٱáۡÌóãۡÚóÇäö ÞóÇáó ÃóÕۡÍóÜٰÈõ ãõæÓóìٰٓ ÅöäóøÇ áóãõÏۡÑóßõæäó (61) ÞóÇáó ßóáóøÂۖ Åöäóø ãóÚöìó ÑóÈöøì ÓóíóÀۡÏöíäö (62)

Al-Shuara And when the two hosts saw each other, the companions of Mûsa (Moses) said: "We are sure to be overtaken." (61) [Mûsa (Moses)] said: "Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me." (62)

Everyone who knows arabic knows that "Lamudrakoon/óÇ áóãõÏۡÑóßõæäó" (overtaken), is a word that discribes FEAR/PARANIOA! i.e. they were scared (NOT SAD) and Musa (as) couldn't promise them that Allah is with them, he said that Allah (swt) is with Musa.

Now compare:

(It is agreed by ALL Muslim scholars and most Shia scholars (especially the classical ones) that the Sahabi mentioned in the following Ayah is Abu Bakr, some Rawafid desperately try to twist this established fact acknowledged even by most shia scholars! they claim that it was another Sahabi who was with the Prophet (saws), this is nothing but a weak claim)

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Al-Tawba (one of the last chapters of the Qur'an revealed to the Prophet saws)

If you help him (Muhammad SAW) not (it does not matter), for Allâh did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu) were in the cave, and he said to his companion (Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu): "Be not sad, surely Allâh is with us." Then Allâh sent down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allâh that became the uppermost, and Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. (40)

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Ponder over these facts:

"with us!" The Prophet Muhammad said with US whereas Prophet Musa said to his companions "with ME"

The companions of Musa were SCARED, infact they almost lost hope and thought they will be destroyed, yet Aba Bakr (ra) was only sad that his beloved friend and Prophet may be captured by the Mushrikoon! That is why (and if you know arabic you know the difference), the Prophet DID NOT say to Abu Bakr:

La takhaf (do not be SCARED!), the Prophet (saws) said: LA TAHZAN (don't be sad) and on the TOP OF THAT he, the truthful messenger of Allah (saws) promised Abu Bakr that Allah is with THEM (meaning both of them), he DID NOT say what Musa said ("Nay, verily! With me is my Lord...), Rasulullah (saws) said: "Be not sad, surely Allâh is with us." Thereupon "Allâh sent down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him" meaning on Muhammad, and since Muhammad said that Allah is with THEM, than logically the peace and support etc. of Allah was for both of them.

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this needs further clarification but look what i found

قُلْنَا اهْبِطُوا مِنْهَا جَمِيعًا ۖ فَإِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ مِنِّي هُدًى فَمَنْ تَبِعَ هُدَايَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

[shakir 2:38] We said: Go forth from this (state) all; so surely there will come to you a guidance from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

does this say it all

the them is for the holy prophet (pbuh) and amir ul momineen (as)

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Edited by haideriam

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Though this thread is to prove the superiority of Ali bin Abi Talib (a.s) over Shaikhain in the light of Quran but today i found an interesting verse of Holy Quran wherein Allah informed the people that He almighty will decide them about the affairs in which they were at difference with each other. We know that there are hundreds of hadiths of Prophet (pbuh) which very explicitly prove that Wilayat of Ali bin Abi Talib (as) was declared. We have Ghadeer Declaration and many other hadiths which support this. Imam Ali a.s was superior to Shaikhain in every aspect but still the Ummah lost its path and started to follow wrong persons for wrong reasons. Inshallah Allah will decide between us and Sunnis about this affair in the hereafter.

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"Verily your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they used to differ." [surah Sajdah Ayat 25]

To judge between people for what they differ in is one of the affairs of Lordship in Hereafter.

Since the Children of Israel, like other nations, after these true leaders discarded among them and went different ways so that they caused people to separate into various groups, in the verse under discussion, the Holy Qur'ān, in a threatening tone, says:

"Verily your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they used to differ."

And in the Hereafter Day everybody will be recompensed for his own deed.

Yes, the origin of discords is always when the Truth is mixed with desire and wishes, and since the Hereafter is a Day when the desires will be colourless and vanished, and the truth will be manifest in the same form that it is, by His command, Allah will put an end to the dissensions. And this is one of other philosophies of Resurrection.

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[shakir 33:25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty.

In spite of the mighty preparations and the great forces which the allied enemies of Islam brought to destroy the Muslims, all their plans were frustrated by Allah through Ali ibn abi Talib who single-handedly made the enemy abandon the attack and return to Makka. They came in anger and fury but departed in defeat and dejection. This was their last and dying effort. Refer to the commentary of al Baqarah: 214 and 251; and verses 1 to 3 and 9 and 10 to 20, 21, 22 of this surah.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

The books of history give three reasons for the retreat of the allied forces. Verse 9 of this surah says: "We (Allah) sent (i) a hurricane (ii) and the armies which you did not see." In addition to these two the 3rd reason was the role Ali played in this battle.

In this verse it is said: "Allah repelled the disbelievers in their rage." Although the human will was present in the 3rd cause yet it has not been mentioned, because Ali's will worked in total submission to Allah's will as also the Holy Prophet's action is described in verse 17 of An-am: "When you (O Muhammad) threw (dust) at them, it was not your act, but Allah's." The Holy Prophet told the dejected Muslims in the battle of Khaybar when he gave the standard to Ali: "He will not come back till Allah gives us victory through his hands." So Ali is also known yadullah (the hand of Allah).

Imam Ali said:

"Whatever I do is in the cause of Allah. I do nothing for myself. Wholly and solely all my actions are for Allah."

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æóÞóÑúäó Ýöí ÈõíõæÊößõäøó æóáóÇ ÊóÈóÑøóÌúäó ÊóÈóÑøõÌó ÇáúÌóÇåöáöíøóÉö ÇáúÃõæáóìٰ ۖ æóÃóÞöãúäó ÇáÕøóáóÇÉó æóÂÊöíäó ÇáÒøóßóÇÉó æóÃóØöÚúäó Çááøóåó æóÑóÓõæáóåõ ۚ ÅöäøóãóÇ íõÑöíÏõ Çááøóåõ áöíõÐúåöÈó Úóäúßõãõ ÇáÑøöÌúÓó Ãóåúáó ÇáúÈóíúÊö æóíõØóåøöÑóßõãú ÊóØúåöíÑðÇ {33}

And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. [surah Ahzab Ayat 33]

"Verily Allah intends to keep off from you uncleanness, O you Ahl ul Bayt and purify you with a thorough purification" is a separate verse revealed on a particular occasion but placed here.

The time, occasion and people concerned in connection with the revelation of the above noted verse have been discussed and made known in many authentic books of the Muslim scholars.

The one and only reference available to the commentators is the event of the blanket (Hadith al Kisa).

The "event of the blanket" has been written by the following authors whom the Muslim Ummah acclaim with one voice.

(1) Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal (241 H) "Musnad" (Egypt: 131 H) pages 259, 285, 292.

(2) Muslim bin Hajjaj Nayshapuri (261 H) Sahih Muslim" (Egypt: 1349) vol. 4, page 116.

(3) Abi Isa Muhammad Tirmidhi (275 or 279 H) "Sahih Tirmidhi" (Sharah ibnul Arabi) (Egypt: 1352 H) vol. 13 pages 200, 248.

(4) Ahmed ibn Shu-ayb Nisa-i (303 H) "Khasa-is" (Egypt: 1348 H) page 4.

(5) Ibn Jarir Tabari (310 H) "Tafsir Tabari" (Jama ul Bayan fi Tafsir il Quran) (Egypt: 1331 H) vol.22, page 5.

(6) Sulayman bin Ahmad Al Tibrani (360 H) "Al Mu-jam Al Saghir" (Dehli: 1311 H), page 34, 75.

(7) Hakim Nayshapuri (405 H) "Al Mustadrak" (Hyderabad Deccan: 1334 H), pages 146, 147, 148.

(8) Yusuf bin Abdullah ibni Abdul Birr (463 H) "Al Isti-ab" (Hyderabad Deccan: 1346 H),

vol. 2, page 460.

Ali bin Ahmad Al Wahidi (468 H) "Asbab ul Nuzul" (Egypt: 1315 H) pages 266, 267.

Tirmidhi, Ibn Jarir Tabari, Hakim and Tibrani have related from Ummi Salima that when this verse was revealed the Holy Prophet was under a blanket or mantle along with Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn, and he declared that his family consisted of only these persons. Ummi Salima, his wife, within whose quarters the revelation came, asked permission to be included in the group under the blanket, but she was politely refused permission. The group is known ever since with the epithet "panjtan pak" or "the holy group of five". These are the persons who were compared by the Holy Prophet with the ark of Nuh wherein those who embarked were saved, while those who sought shelter elsewhere were drowned. Refer to Tafsir Azizi by Shah Abdul Aziz and Tafsir Durr al Manthur by Jalal al Din al Suyuti. In Yanabi al Mawaddat, page 87, Shaykh al Islam writes that A-isha said: "Ayah al Tat-hir refers only to the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn. No wife of his is included." On page 280 of volume two of Sharah Nuwi of Sahih Muslim it is written that when Zayd bin Arqam was asked whether the wives of the Holy Prophet are included in the Ahl ul Bayt, he said: "By Allah the wives of the Holy Prophet cannot be included in the Ahl ul Bayt at all, because after the pronouncement of divorce the wives are reverted to their parent; and, moreover, sadqah (charity) is prohibited to be given to the Ahl ul Bayt." Also please refer to the commentary of Shura: 42 and Ali Imran : 61 for further confirmation and proofs.

Some commentators report this tradition through A-isha who says that this event took place in her house. So two wives of the Holy Prophet have confirmed that they both were not given permission by the Holy Prophet to come under the blanket, so they could never be described as Ahl ul Bayt.

Thalabi reports that when A-isha was asked as to why she violated the command of Allah "to stay in your houses" by going to the battle of Jamal against Ali, she said:

"It was my fate. I saw the Holy Prophet taking Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain under his mantle and heard him saying: 'O Allah, these are my Ahl ul Bayt. Keep off impurity from them.' I asked him: 'Am I not of your Ahl ul Bayt?' He said: 'Go away from here. You are not of my Ahlul Bayt.'"

Abu Dawud and Malik relate from Anas that for six months after the revelation of this verse every morning, while going for fajr salat, the Holy Prophet used to recite this verse at the door of Fatimah's house.

In verse 73 of Hud Sara is addressed as Ahli Bayt, not as the wife of Ibrahim but as the mother of prophet Is-haq, because the state of being a wife of a prophet gives no privilege to a woman as stated above and clearly indicated by the Holy Prophet himself, and decisively proved by the condemnation of the wives of Nuh and Lut.

Innama implies the determined decision or will of Allah. Although the decision of a created being may not take effect at all, but the will of Allah takes immediate effect. There cannot be a slightest gap of time or space in the will of Allah taking effect. When He commands: "Be"; it becomes. Refer to Baqarah: 117; Nahl: 40 Maryolm: 35; Ya Sin 83; Mumin: 68 and Qamar 50. It is not only the will of Allah but the declaration of its effect. Since the Ahl ul Bayt have been thoroughly purified, they remain thoroughly purified for ever. The prayer of Ibrahim in Baqarah: 127 to 129 is prayed to continue the excellence in themselves and in their descendants mentioned in Baqarah: 124. When a quality or attribute is described or mentioned in indefinite sense it refers to the perfect possibility. The purity in this verse is absolute purity. Polytheism (shirk) is described in the Quran as impurity and also the greatest iniquity (refer to Luqman : 13). Refer to the commentary of Baqarah: 124 for the condition that imamah is not bestowed on those who have ever (even once in their lives) worshipped any ghayrallah. All the companions of the Holy Prophet and his wives were polytheists before embracing Islam. Only the Holy Prophet, Ali, Fatimah, Hasan and Husayn were at that time free from the dirt of shirk, therefore they alone could be throughly purified.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

(i) Innama (verily or only) signifies exclusive distinction. To emphasise this exclusiveness, the second object of the verb yudh-hiba (keep off)-the phrase ankum (from you)-has been put before the first object rijs (uncleanness); and for further emphasis, the phrase Ahl ul Bayt has been mentioned to explain the pronoun ankum (from you). The grammatical structure of the whole clause indicates that this a unique privilege or distinction granted to the Ahl ul Bayt only, excluding all others.

(ii) The verb yuridu implies that the continuous will or intention of Allah is His creative will or intention, not legislative. To interpret the will as the legislative will as in Ma-idah: 6, distorts the whole fabric of the verse and renders meaningless the exclusive particle and the constructional arrangement. Even then it means that only the Ahl ul Bayt exclusively achieved the standard.

(iii) This verse is a preface to verses 77 to 79 of al Waqi-ah: "Verily this is an honourable (Karim) Quran, in a hidden (preserved) book, which no one can touch save the purified." (Refer to page 3.)

(iv) The excellences of Ahl ul Bayt have been openly demonstrated in the event of mubahilah (refer to the commentary of Ali Imran : 61).

(v) The Ahl ul Bayt had only been thoroughly purified by Allah because of their total submission to Allah's will and their state of being always in communion with Allah.

The event of revelation of this verse as reported by Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari, one of the most reliable companions of the Holy Prophet has been mentioned in "Awalim al Ulum" by Shaykh Abdullah bin Nurullah Al-Bahrayni and is reproduced here:-

In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. It is reported by Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari that Fatimah Zahra said;

One day my father, the messenger of Allah, came into (my house),

and said "Fatimah! Peace be on you." "Peace be on you too." I replied.

"I am not feeling well." He said.

"May Allah keep you safe from weakness, O my father." I prayed.

"Fatimah! Please bring the Yamani blanket and cover me with it." He said.

So I brought the Yamani blanket and covered him with it. I turned my eyes upon his face. It was shining bright like a full moon in its full glory and splendour.

Then, not a moment passed before my son, Hasan, walked in and said:

"Peace be on you, mother."

"Peace be on you too, my dearest darling" I answered.

"I breathe the pure aroma of the messenger of Allah, my grandfather, coming from you!" He observed.

"True; your grandfather is under the blanket." I confirmed.

Hasan went near his grandfather (covered with the blanket) and said:

"Peace be on you, grandfather, the messenger of Allah, may I join you under the blanket?"

"Peace be on you, my son, my companion at the spring of Kawthar, come in."

He went inside the blanket.

Then, not a moment passed, before my son, Husayn, walked in and said: "Peace be on you, mother." "Peace be on you too, my dearest darling" I answered .

"I breathe the pure aroma of the messenger of Allah, my grandfather, coming from you!" He observed .

"True, your grandfather and your brother are under the blanket." I confirmed.

Husayn went near the blanket (under which his grandfather was resting with his brother) and said:

"Peace be on you grandfather, the choice of Allah, may I join you both under the blanket ?"

"Peace be on you, my son, the saviour of my people, come in."

He went inside the blanket.

In that instant Abul Hasan. Amir al Muminin, Ali ibn abi Talib, stepped in and said:

"Peace be on you, O the daughter of the messenger of Allah!"

"Peace be on you too, Abul Hasan, Amir al Muminin." I answered.

"Fatimah, I breathe the pure aroma of my brother, the son of my uncle, the messenger of Allah, coming from you!" He observed.

"True, he is under the blanket with your sons" I confirmed.

Ali went near the blanket and said:

"Peace be on you, the messenger of Allah, may I join you (all) under the blanket?"

"Peace be on you, my brother, the executor of my will, my successor, my standard bearer, come in."

Ali went inside the blanket.

Then I went near the blanket and said:

"Peace be on you, my father, the messenger of Allah, may I join you (all), under the blanket?"

"Peace be on you; my daughter my darling, come in."

I went inside the blanket.

As soon as all of us united under the blanket, my father, the messenger of Allah, held the two ends of the blanket and raised his right hand toward the heaven and said:

"O Allah! These are my Ahl ul Bayt, very special to me, my near and dear ones, my own flesh and blood; whoso annoys them disturbs me; whoso makes them sad makes me unhappy. I make war on those who carry on hostilities against them; I am well disposed towards those who make their peace with them; I oppose those who run counter to them; I favour those who love them. They are from me and I am from them. So send Thy blessings, benefits, mercy, protection and favours on me and on them, and keep off from them uncleanliness, and purify them with a thorough purification."

Thereupon The Almighty and the Glorious Allah said: "O My angels and the dwellers of the heavens, verily I have not created the indeclinable sky, the levelled earth, the bright moon, the resplendent sun, the rotating cosmic system, the flowing seas, and the sailing ship, but for the sake of and in the love of the five souls lying underneath the blanket."

The trusted Jibrail asked:

"O Lord! Who are underneath the blanket?" The Almighty and the Glorious replied:

"They are the 'Ahl ul Bayt' of the Prophet, the custodians of the message; they are-Fatimah, her father, her husband and her sons."

Jibrail (submissively) asked:

"O Lord! May I descend on the earth and be the sixth with them?"

"Yes. I give you permission," said Allah.

The trusted angel, Jibrail, came down (on the earth), and said:

"Peace be on you, O the messenger of Allah. The Highest High says: "Peace be on you. And distinguishes you with greetings and blessings.

He tells you:

'In the name of My majesty and glory, verily, I have not created the indeclinable sky, the levelled earth, the bright moon, the resplendent sun, the rotating cosmic system, the flowing seas, and the sailing ship, but for your sake and in your love.'

And He has also given me permission to be with you. So may I have your permission O the messenger of Allah."

The messenger of Allah replied: "Peace be on you, O the custodian of Allah's revelation, come in and join (us)."

Jibrail came in and joined us under the blanket.

He told my father: "Verily, Allah has sent a revelation to you. He said:

'Verily Allah's wish is but to keep off from you uncleanness, O Ahl ul Bayt, and to purify you (with) a thorough purification.'"

Ali asked my father: "O messenger of Allah, tell us that which makes our assembly under this blanket an event of surpassing excellence before Allah."

The Prophet replied:

"In the name of He who sent me as a truthful prophet, and chose me as a redeemer to convey His message, I declare that no assembly of our followers and devotees, on the earth, where this event is narrated shall spend a single moment but the mercy of Allah will envelop them, then and there; and countless angels of Allah shall pray for the remission of their sins till the group of the faithful disperse."

Ali declared:

"Well then, by the Lord of the Ka-bah, we have attained our end, and have been rendered successful, so also our followers!"

IMPORTANT LINKS ABOUT HADITH E THAQALAIN:

1. http://www.al-islam.org/thaqalayn/nontl/

2. http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/books/h-thaqalain/index.htm

3. http://www.darolhadith.net/modules.php?name=Content&pa=byPage&pid=40

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Aabis shakari:

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bumped for brother Ayubi786

Ayubi786:

Am still waiting for QURANIC proof!!

You know the book who ME AND YOU BELIEVE IN??

May Allah swt guide us in straight path

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Aabis shakari:

(salam)

bumped for brother Ayubi786

Ayubi786:

Am still waiting for QURANIC proof!!

You know the book who ME AND YOU BELIEVE IN??

May Allah swt guide us in straight path

:) Brother i have no cure of stubbornness. Do not tell me that you have read all 24 pages in one moment and posted the above comment. Brother you are my brother and my intention is never to disrespect you or discourage you. Read the thread and bring me the proof of superiority of Shaikhain over Ali a.s from Quran. I shall be waiting for your output.

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Aabiss shakari:

:) Brother i have no cure of stubbornness. Do not tell me that you have read all 24 pages in one moment and posted the above comment. Brother you are my brother and my intention is never to disrespect you or discourage you. Read the thread and bring me the proof of superiority of Shaikhain over Ali a.s from Quran. I shall be waiting for your output.

Ayubi786:

??? Bring you proof of the sahaba ra superiority over imam Ali ra??

When did i ever say that NAUZOBILLAH

To us sunni they are equal!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS SAYING ALI IS SUPERIOR!!

All i am asking for is Quranic proof!

Brother i am not interested in TAFSEER or what you may believe it means make it clear cut as Nabi saws is mentioned and His saws mission is mentioned many things we do in sunna is mentioned but you still havent give me proof and then you label me stubborn??

Why?? Cannot you get your point across??frustated??

You write plenty Quranic verses and twist them to your own meanings as i have posted on another thread and you try to feed us that??

Come on brother it cannot be that hard....or can it??

Take care brother and may Allah swt guide us on the straight path

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Ayubi786:

??? Bring you proof of the sahaba ra superiority over imam Ali ra??

When did i ever say that NAUZOBILLAH

To us sunni they are equal!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS SAYING ALI IS SUPERIOR!!

All i am asking for is Quranic proof!

Brother i am not interested in TAFSEER or what you may believe it means make it clear cut as Nabi saws is mentioned and His saws mission is mentioned many things we do in sunna is mentioned but you still havent give me proof and then you label me stubborn??

Why?? Cannot you get your point across??frustated??

You write plenty Quranic verses and twist them to your own meanings as i have posted on another thread and you try to feed us that??

Come on brother it cannot be that hard....or can it??

Take care brother and may Allah swt guide us on the straight path

How they can be equal? There were battles between them. Even Sunni ahadith say that many were condemned. Prophet (pbuh) called Muawvia and his army "rebels" in one of his hadith where he (sawaw) mentioned that Ammar r.a will be martyred by a rebel group.

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Aabiss shakari:

:) Brother i have no cure of stubbornness. Do not tell me that you have read all 24 pages in one moment and posted the above comment. Brother you are my brother and my intention is never to disrespect you or discourage you. Read the thread and bring me the proof of superiority of Shaikhain over Ali a.s from Quran. I shall be waiting for your output.

Ayubi786:

??? Bring you proof of the sahaba ra superiority over imam Ali ra??

When did i ever say that NAUZOBILLAH

To us sunni they are equal!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS SAYING ALI IS SUPERIOR!!

All i am asking for is Quranic proof!

Brother i am not interested in TAFSEER or what you may believe it means make it clear cut as Nabi saws is mentioned and His saws mission is mentioned many things we do in sunna is mentioned but you still havent give me proof and then you label me stubborn??

Why?? Cannot you get your point across??frustated??

You write plenty Quranic verses and twist them to your own meanings as i have posted on another thread and you try to feed us that??

Come on brother it cannot be that hard....or can it??

Take care brother and may Allah swt guide us on the straight path

Don't bring tafseer? Are you joking?

How else is the qur'an understood within it's context? I suggest reading the thread first.. (if not it means you are not sincere and there is no point of further replies)

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Aabiss shakari:

How they can be equal? There were battles between them. Even Sunni ahadith say that many were condemned. Prophet (pbuh) called Muawvia and his army "rebels" in one of his hadith where he (sawaw) mentioned that Ammar r.a will be martyred by a rebel group.

Ayubi786:

Yes there were problems but then there is also imam Hassan ra who gave up His ra leadership to Amir Muawya ra was not the imam ra aware of this hadith too when he gave bayah?

Hadiths are plenty out there yours and mine

Thats why stick to Quran for guidance clear signs from Allah swt

May Allah swt guide us on the straight path

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Aabiss shakari:

How they can be equal? There were battles between them. Even Sunni ahadith say that many were condemned. Prophet (pbuh) called Muawvia and his army "rebels" in one of his hadith where he (sawaw) mentioned that Ammar r.a will be martyred by a rebel group.

Ayubi786:

Yes there were problems but then there is also imam Hassan ra who gave up His ra leadership to Amir Muawya ra was not the imam ra aware of this hadith too when he gave bayah?

Hadiths are plenty out there yours and mine

Thats why stick to Quran for guidance clear signs from Allah swt

May Allah swt guide us on the straight path

Since when the Sulh has become Baiyat? Will you say that in spite of having the knowledge of crimes of Kufar Prophet (pbuh) entered into Sulh with Kufar and this was wrong on his (pbuh) behalf (Nauzbillah). Imam Hassan a.s never did Bayah of Muawvia (l.a) and please do not use r.a with the name of Muawvia it is against the forum rules.

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Aabiss shakari:

Since when the Sulh has become Baiyat? Will you say that in spite of having the knowledge of crimes of Kufar Prophet (pbuh) entered into Sulh with Kufar and this was wrong on his (pbuh) behalf (Nauzbillah). Imam Hassan a.s never did Bayah of Muawvia (l.a) and please do not use r.a with the name of Muawvia it is against the forum rules.

Ayubi786:

So imam Hassan ra never gave his leadership his khilafah up??

It is even predicted by the great Nabi saws himself!!!

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So imam Hassan ra never gave his leadership his khilafah up??

No he didn't

It is even predicted by the great Nabi saws himself!!!

That hadith is fabrication.... and that so called 'prediction' fails because it is fabrication

Edited by Rasul

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Rasul:

No he didn't

That hadith is fabrication.... and that so called 'prediction' fails because it is fabrication

Ayubi786:

Ok if thats what you want to believe that its a fabrication then so be it.

For us sunnah its a sahih hadith so obviously thats why i always refer to Quran where we ALL agree is the word of Allah swt

So my question still stands prove from Quran

May Allah swt guide us onbthe straight path

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Kamran syed:

Don't bring tafseer? Are you joking?

How else is the qur'an understood within it's context? I suggest reading the thread first.. (if not it means you are not sincere and there is no point of further replies)

Ayubi786:

Brother fundamentals of deen are in Quran explained EXPLICITELY

It is "a guidance to the people and clear signs of guidance and the criterion between right and wrong" (Quran 2:185).

Salah

Sawm

Hajj

Kalima

Zakah

Qiyamah

Angels

Etc etc

These are CLEARLY stated so do you need tafseer when Allah swt says read salah?

Its not a hard book to understand the whole point of Quran is easiness to the reader unless YOU want to make it harder to understand!

Like you lot are,cos without your tafseer you cannot prove wilayah from Quran its just that simple i have been on here now for about six months and i still havent got an answer

May Allah swt guide us on the steaight path

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No Tafseer

Can you proof that Abu Bakr was in cave?

Can you proof from Quran that Aisha was not adulterer and was innocent?

Can you proof from Quran that we must pray 5 times?

Can you proof from Quran that we must do 7 times tawaf around the Kaaba?

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Rasul:

No Tafseer

Can you proof that Abu Bakr was in cave?

Can you proof from Quran that Aisha was not adulterer and was innocent?

Can you proof from Quran that we must pray 5 times?

Can you proof from Quran that we must do 7 times tawaf around the Kaaba?

Ayubi786:

Brother FUNDAMENTAL belief the main belief what Quran sets for you i.e

Salah fundamental then how to do it etc comes with tafseer

Sawm fundamental then how to do it etc comes with tafseer

Etc etc etc

You see Allah has mentioned the MAIN things in religion WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND BELIEVE IN

As for the cave incident and the innocence of ummul maumineen Ayesha sidiqqa ra in quran yes oh yes you need TAFSEER but are they FUNDAMENTAL beliefs is it part of deen? NO but since Allah swt has it in the Quran YOU CANNOT DENY IT!

It should be easy cos Quran as stated by Allah swt is easy to understand so why cannot you prove anything without your own commentary??

It should be easy if you are right

May Allah swt guide us on the straight path

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Ayubi786:

Brother FUNDAMENTAL belief the main belief what Quran sets for you i.e

Salah fundamental then how to do it etc comes with tafseer

Sawm fundamental then how to do it etc comes with tafseer

Etc etc etc

You see Allah has mentioned the MAIN things in religion WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND BELIEVE IN

As for the cave incident and the innocence of ummul maumineen Ayesha sidiqqa ra in quran yes oh yes you need TAFSEER but are they FUNDAMENTAL beliefs is it part of deen? NO but since Allah swt has it in the Quran YOU CANNOT DENY IT!

It should be easy cos Quran as stated by Allah swt is easy to understand so why cannot you prove anything without your own commentary??

It should be easy if you are right

May Allah swt guide us on the straight path

You are going against the very object of the thread. You said

1. All the Sahaba were equal in rank.

2. When you see that there are many merits of Ali a.s in Quran and Sunnah you started to say that this is not fundamental belief.

Irrespective of the fact that this is the fundamental belief or not, the question is how Abu Bakar and Umer were more entitled to Khilafah than Ali a.s? They had no merit above Imam Ali a.s and this is the object of the thread.

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Aabis shakari:

You are going against the very object of the thread. You said

1. All the Sahaba were equal in rank.

2. When you see that there are many merits of Ali a.s in Quran and Sunnah you started to say that this is not fundamental belief.

Irrespective of the fact that this is the fundamental belief or not, the question is how Abu Bakar and Umer were more entitled to Khilafah than Ali a.s? They had no merit above Imam Ali a.s and this is the object of the thread.

Ayubi786:

You wrote:

2 when you see there are many merits of Ali as in Quran and sunnah you started to say this is not a fundamental belief

??????

Brother first you HAVENT given my any evidence from Quran statin explicitly so what merits are u talking about? Wilayah is not a fundamental belief i still stick by that so hiw have i changed?

So its back to same again show us through Quran explicitly saying so!

May Allah swt guide us on straight path

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Aabis shakari:

You are going against the very object of the thread. You said

1. All the Sahaba were equal in rank.

2. When you see that there are many merits of Ali a.s in Quran and Sunnah you started to say that this is not fundamental belief.

Irrespective of the fact that this is the fundamental belief or not, the question is how Abu Bakar and Umer were more entitled to Khilafah than Ali a.s? They had no merit above Imam Ali a.s and this is the object of the thread.

Ayubi786:

You wrote:

2 when you see there are many merits of Ali as in Quran and sunnah you started to say this is not a fundamental belief

??????

Brother first you HAVENT given my any evidence from Quran statin explicitly so what merits are u talking about? Wilayah is not a fundamental belief i still stick by that so hiw have i changed?

So its back to same again show us through Quran explicitly saying so!

May Allah swt guide us on straight path

Verily, your Master (Maula) is only Allah and His Apostle and those who believe, those who establish prayers, and pay the zakat while bowed (in worship) (5:55).

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Aabiss shakari:

Verily, your Master (Maula) is only Allah and His Apostle and those who believe, those who establish prayers, and pay the zakat while bowed (in worship) (5:55).

Ayubi786:

[5:55] Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the Believers – those who establish regular prayers and pay charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

Yusuf ali

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Al-Maeda

Innama waliyyukumu Allahu warasooluhu waallatheena amanoo allatheena yuqeemoona alssalata wayutoona alzzakata wahum rakiAAoona

Amed Ali

Your only friends are God and His Messenger, and those who believe and are steadfast in devotion, who pay the zakat and bow in homage (before God).

Yusuf Ali

Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

Pikthall

Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).

Brother i know where you going with this and it has NOTHING at all to do with wilayah cos if you look at the meanings Allah swt says as IT SAYS SO IN THE AYAH!! Explicit straightforward "THOSE who believe pay zakah and THOSE who bow down in prayer"

You dont need TAFSEER its clear as day

At least i have given a few translations you only gave me shakir one just because it SOUNDS close to your belief and then you have to go in to tafseer to explain the verse what it ISNT!!

. It is "a guidance to the people and clear signs of guidance and the criterion between right and wrong" (Quran 2:185)

May Allah swt guide us on straight path

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(salam)

(bismillah)

Rules of the thread

Please follow the following rules while this thread progresses.

1. First paste a holy verse of holy Quran which you believe is in the praise of Ali (as) or Shaikhain (ra).

2. Then paste any reference "Sunni" or "Shia" which proves your point. I have intentionally allowed this to both schools of thought because Shia may present many references from Sunni sources but it will be difficult for Sunnis to present from Shia sources so it is allowed to them to rely on their own sources for proving that Shaikhain were higher in status than Ali (as) from their own sources of interpretation of Holy Quran.

3. Please start from the very beginning of Holy Quran meaning thereby from Surah Al-hamd or Surah Al-baqra to prove their point and then the next poster will post from the subsequent ayat of the same surah or any verse of very next surah.

4. Please avoid name calling only prove your point through Quranic verses and sayings of Holy Prophet (sawaw).

Inshallah this thread will continue while making many pages. At last we shall analyze than whose status was higher Hazrat Ali (as) or "Shaikhain" (ra). That also from both sources. As i said earlier i am not posing condition on Sunnis to present Shia sources. They can present both smile.gif

Thank you and enjoy this thread

other than

1- ahadeeth from suni and shia proving their superiority

2- that prayers must have supplications for them, but not other people

let us look at it purely from quran:

1- First of all, when talking about ahl "bayt" or people of the "house" .. it is important to understand that we are talking about the "house" of Allah .. so when we say "ahl bayt" .. we are talking about the people of the "house" of Allah ..

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And when We made the House a place of return for the people and security. And take, from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying for worship and those who bow and prostrate." 2:125

2 - Then, the next point to understand is that the ones who raised a "foundation" of this "house" of Allah are Sayidna Ibrahim & Sayidna Ismail ( father & son ) .. who are a direct line from Adam a.s , Noah a.s .. and if we continue on this line we pass through prophet Mohamed pbuh .. and down through his children .. in a straight line .. like a 'mustaqim' line ..

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And when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and Ishmael, "Our Lord, accept from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing. 2:127

3 - Here, the next aya again shows how the descendants of Sayidna Ibrahim are the source "from" which the Muslim nation / Ummah comes ..

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Our Lord, and make us Muslims to You and from our descendants a Muslim Ummah to You. And show us our rites and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. 2:128

4 - In the Quran Prophet Ibrahim a.s is described as a "nation" or "ummah" in his own right .. " Inna Ibrahima kana Ummatan .. " .. this shows us the importance of the imam .. because sayidna Ibrahim a.s is an imam ..

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Indeed, Abraham was an Ummah, devoutly obedient to Allah , inclining toward truth, and he was not of those who associate others with Allah . 16:120

5 - So now, we have evidence that Sayidna Ibrahim a.s is an Ummah .. and this aya shows how Allah made him an Imam .. therefore .. Ummah = Imam .. wAllahu Aalam

6 - and the same goes for his descendants .. of course .. this does not include the wrongdoers of the family .. again proving that the Imams and Ummah are in the lineage of the prophet Ibrahim a.s. and prophet Mohamed pbuh ... and so on .. because as we all know the descendants continue through Sayida Fatimah & Sayidna Ali a.s

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And, when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, I will make you an Imam for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [ Allah ] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers."

7 - Below is yet more evidence that Allah "chose" blood descendants for Islam ..

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And Abraham instructed his sons and Jacob, "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this religion, so do not die except while you are Muslims." 2:132

8 - Again .. the straight line from Adam, Noah, Abraham .... all the way to Mohamed .. and his descendants .. were "chosen" by Allah "over the worlds" .. .. as well as family of 'Imran ...

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Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds - 3:33

9 - this aya below can be analyzed in many ways .. however, one simple way of coming to conclusion of priority of ahl bayt such as Imam Ali .. is that

the prophet pbuh should be more important to us than ourselves ..

and to him his family is more important than anybody else to him .. including sayidna Ali .. therefore .. his family should be our priority as well .. in the "decree of Allah"

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The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree.

10 - Here Allah is showing us His intentions of purifying the ahl of His Bayt .. again showing us their superiority in Imam and purity, as well as their status in front of Allah ..

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And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity, O people of the household, and to purify you with purification. 33:33

11- also keep in mind that our qibla is towards the bayt Allah .. also called masjid al haram .. so it makes sense that our human manifestation and representatives of the bayt of Allah is the "ahl bayt" .. the descendants of those who raised the "foundations" of the bayt discussed above ..

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We have certainly seen the turning of your face, toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you are, turn your faces toward it. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. 2:144

12 - Now to the next aya .. this one shows us that Allah gave the family of Ibrahim a.s

#1 the scripture

#2 Wisdom ( probably to understand the scripture )

#3 a great kingdom

it goes to show that they own the scripts, they own the wisdom .. and they own the muslim kingdom .. Allah gave it to them according to the aya below ..

and of course there is talk about "envy" related to this decision by Allah .. which we can see all the way to prophet Mohamed and beyond of course .. people arguing about his family's Allah-given rights .. here proven by quran subhan Allah ..

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Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them of His bounty? But we had already given the family of Abraham the Scripture and wisdom and conferred upon them a great kingdom. 4:54

13 - This aya below uses the exact same words in Arabic as the previous one .. "Atayna" and "AlKitab" .. basically .. Allah "gave" "book" .. so this aya below talks about those that were "given" the book by Allah .. and that it's them who recite it properly .. and it's them who believe in it ..

it goes further to explain that whoever doesn't get it .. that it's their loss ..

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Those to whom We have given the Book recite it with its true recital. They believe in it. And whoever disbelieves in it - it is they who are the losers. 2:121

14 - In the aya below messengers of Allah came to wife of Sayidna Ibrahim to tell her she's getting a baby despite her old age .. and they also supplicated for the "people of the house" ..

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They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable." 11:73

15 - As we know .. Allah hears the duas of Allah .. so prophet Ibrahim a.s did his share of duas for his descendants .. as well as other people .. which is another reason why the ahl bayt stand out in Iman and Imamhood .. basically spiritual as well as earthly leadership ..

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And when Abraham said, "My Lord, make this city secure and keep me and my sons away from worshipping idols. 14:35

16 - Allah "chose" the descendants of Abraham .. from Isaac's a.s and Ismail a.s sides .. however, the latest update according to the latest prophecy in Quran .. we have info that the bani Israel kind of went astray .. especially after not recognizing Sayidna Issa a.s and prophet Mohamad pbuh ... so again .. this puts even more emphasis on lineage of prophet Mohamed pbuh ..

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Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping. 19:58

17 - Here an aya showing how it is our only duty towards the prophet pbuh to love his relatives .. and anything that would make them upset obviously goes against this aya ..

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That is (the Bounty) whereof Allah gives Glad Tidings to His Servants who believe and do righteous deeds. Say: "No reward do I ask of you for this except the love of those near of kin." And if any one earns any good, We shall give him an increase of good in respect thereof: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate 42:23

18 - so, even though the descendants of prophet nuh and ibrahim aren't all great .. nonetheless .. the prophethood and scripture (and understanding thereof ) is in that family .. the family of prophet Mohamed pbuh .. starting with sayidna Ali and sayida Fatima a.s.

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And We have already sent Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. 57:26

Allah created different families so that they know each other .. same goes for the family of His "house" the ahl bayt .. this is the family that all mankind must turn their face towards .. much like they turn their face towards the masjid el haram which was built by this family .. which have been given the rights of the islamic kingdom, wisdom and scriptures ..

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O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. 49:13

(salam)

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16 - Allah "chose" the descendants of Abraham .. from Isaac's a.s and Ismail a.s sides .. however, the latest update according to the latest prophecy in Quran .. we have info that the bani Israel kind of went astray .. especially after not recognizing Sayidna Issa a.s and prophet Mohamad pbuh ... so again .. this puts even more emphasis on lineage of prophet Mohamed pbuh ..

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Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping. 19:58

Just wana add here that in the 12th imam he supposedly has blood from both sides, making it a special combo with blessings from both sides combined ..

(salam)

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