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Did The Imams Do Muta

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salam alaikum

http://www.alhikmeh.com/arabic/mktba/hadith/wasael21/

Hadeeths number 26377,26378,26389.

Obviously as the Prophet (sa) and Imam Ali (as) did it, then it is a sunnah and all the Imams (as) did it. The Imams (as) in many hadeeths encourage the believers to do it, at least once, to revive the sunnah. Obviously they would not preach what they don't practice (surah al-Saff). This disproves the popular notion that mut'ah is only for those who can't control their desires. People who exclaim such are indirectly insulting the Prophet (sa) and the Imams (as), may Allah forgive them and guide them.

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salam alaikum

http://www.alhikmeh.com/arabic/mktba/hadith/wasael21/

Hadeeths number 26377,26378,26389.

Obviously as the Prophet (sa) and Imam Ali (as) did it, then it is a sunnah and all the Imams (as) did it. The Imams (as) in many hadeeths encourage the believers to do it, at least once, to revive the sunnah. Obviously they would not preach what they don't practice (surah al-Saff). This disproves the popular notion that mut'ah is only for those who can't control their desires. People who exclaim such are indirectly insulting the Prophet (sa) and the Imams (as), may Allah forgive them and guide them.

Salaamunulyakum wr wb.

Does it mention if masooms had sexual relations with the ones that muta may've been agreed to. Please if you have any english references. Thanks.

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Does it mention if masooms had sexual relations with the ones that muta may've been agreed to. Please if you have any english references. Thanks.

We have a brainwashed mutah fanatic here.

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Aww... were you offended?

i'm so sorry for stating the obvious.

Offended by you criticizing with no credible facts. Where do you learn that type of sarcasm, i'm curious to know? So that we all can avoid it and where you pick these habits up from.

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Offended by you criticizing with no credible facts. Where do you learn that type of sarcasm, i'm curious to know? So that we all can avoid it and where you pick these habits up from.

so you ARE getting offended.. yes I know- the TRUTH does HURT

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Yeah LOL

This guy is a mutah maniac!

You still can't answer my questions, so you resort to put downs. Do you know what islam teaches about people who put muslims down? I would encourage you to stop.

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You still can't answer my questions, so you resort to put downs. Do you know what islam teaches about people who put muslims down? I would encourage you to stop.

This question?

Does it mention if masooms had sexual relations with the ones that muta may've been agreed to. Please if you have any english references. .

What kind of question is that? Does history record such things?

And nope, I haven't resorted to put downs at all, just stated the obvious.

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alaikum salam wr wb,

check out http://revertmuslims.com/forum/index.php?s...ost&p=19352

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An important matter relevant to the controversial issue of Mutah is the the status of 'sexual desire' in Islam. Some people may think that desire is blamed in Islam. You may come across so-called 'ethical' advices in which you are encouraged to 'suppress' your desire in order to get closer to Allah (swt). Now let's have a look at some authentic Shia hadiths to get the true picture of desire in Islam.

1. Imam Ali ibn Mouse Al-Reza (as), the 8th Shia Imam, said, 'There are three things among the traditions (Sunan) of the prophets: wearing perfumes, trimming the hair and a good deal of Turooqah.' Al-Kafi, v. 5, p. 320/ Al-Tahzib, v. 7, p. 404/ Wasa'il Al-Shi'ah, v. 2, p. 103

'Turooqah' means either having 'much intercourse' or 'several wives'.

2. Imam Ja'far ibn Muhammd Al-Sadiq (as), the 6th Shia Imam, said, 'Learn five things from the [edited out]/rooster.' He mentioned 'a good deal of Turooqah' among them. Man La Yahzuruhu Al-Faqih, v. 1, p. 482

3. Imam Al-Sadiq (as) said, 'Interest in women is among the manners of the prophets.' Al-Kafi, v. 5, p. 320

4. Imam Sadiq (as) said, 'The more interest a slave of Allah has in women, the more excellent he will be in his faith.' Wasa'il Al-Shi'ah, v. 20, p. 24

5. Imam Al-Sadiq (as) said, "A woman asked the Prophet of Allah, 'What will be the sawab (spiritual reward) for my husband if he comes to me [for having intercourse]?' The Prophet (sawa) answered, 'If he comes to you, two angels accompany him and he will have the sawab of one who has drawn a sword [to fight with the enemies of Allah]. When he has intercourse, his sins will fall the same as leaves fall from the tree. He will exit from his sins when he does Ghusl.' " Thawab Al-A'mal, p. 168

6. Imam Muhammad ibn Ali Al-Baqir (as), the 5th Shia Imam, said, 'If a person does Mutah for Wajh-ullah [for the sake of following the religion of Allah] and opposing those who deny Mutah, a sawab will be recorded for him for every word he speaks to his Mutah and Allah (swt) will forgive a sin for him when he approaches to her [for having intercourse].' Man La Yahzuruhu Al-Faqih, v. 3, p. 295

7. Amir Al-Mu'mineen Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) said, "It's Mustahabb (religiously recommended, but not obligatory) for a man to have intercourse with his wife on the night before the first day of Ramadan, as Allah (swt) has said in the Quran, 'It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast...' (2:187) '' Al-Kafi, v. 4, p. 180/ Al-Khisal, p. 612

Note that not only desire is blamed in Islam, but also it is recognized and even is considered as a means to obtain sawab in some cases. How different is our understanding of Islam from the Prophet's and Imams'!

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The practise of mutah is 100 times better than practise of keeping right hand posesssions which is considered halal in islam.

If you don't know what that means..

It means you can have slave girls from war as booty of war and you can have intimate relations with them without marriage.

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The practise of mutah is 100 times better than practise of keeping right hand posesssions which is considered halal in islam.

If you don't know what that means..

It means you can have slave girls from war as booty of war and you can have intimate relations with them without marriage.

Where does it say this? Also what if the woman says that no relations are wanted from her?

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Muslims have the option to get married permanently, temporarily, sleep with ones bondwoman [female slave] or practice abstinence.

Bondage [Slavery] has been phased out in our times, alhamdulillah.

I would rather do temporary marriage with a decent woman then marry an incompatible woman permanently for life.

I would rather abstain then do Mut'ah with a bad woman.

You have to look at your situation and the options available to you in your life.

Sayyid Khamenei says that Mut'ah is Mustahabb. If you can do it with the right person do it. Don't feel bad about it

or discourage a Shia from doing it. Lol, if you just want to do it for thawab without copulation, it is up to you and her.

Something is better than nothing. Initially when br. Yiligiz said right hand I was thinking he meant something else. Lol.

What if you are a lefty. ;) Seriously, Istimna is haraam for men and that is one of the reasons Mut'ah is allowed. The truth is

sometimes you can't find someone you want to spend your whole life with. In such a situation Mut'ah is better, at least for me.

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Then I'm pretty sure the momin would refuse the relations.

023.005

YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,

PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -

SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

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YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

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YUSUFALI: But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

PICKTHAL: But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -

SHAKIR: But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits;

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we have to realise though, that the circumstances and sitauations at the time of the Imams was very different to how they are now. In those days there were many women who were poor/widowed.orphaned etc etc and Imams would therefore help them by doing temporary mutah....at least thats what I thought, these days I feel that mutah IS done too much and is promoted too much, I don't feel it is appropriate in this day and age. :unsure: also because they would go to war and getting married would not be fair as there wasn't a guarantee they would return and would therefore carry out mutah....

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alslaam alaikum

Saz your very wrong... gods laws dont change overtime just the ingnorant's mind changes over time...

god factors time into accoutn when he legislates his laws and he is all knowing. .

if your god doesnt know thaty time is changing and he made a law that is not suitable for this time then excuse me but thats not my god because my god in infinite and all knowoing ,,,

the hallal of mohamad is hallal till judgment day and the haraam of mohamad is haraam till judgemnt day

temporary marriage is mustahab,,, its an action loved by god

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the only people who oppose it but hypocriticaly go and make thier permenant marriage temporary using divorce (misyar) are the other schools of thought

watch this to see the invalidity of thiier opposition to this holy institution

TemporaryMarriage in Sunni Sources

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Part 3

Part 4

Bukhari’s Autenticity

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quantum,

read this and forever be quiet on the muta issue..

Where a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact that of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled.[2]

Muhammad appointed Abu Bakr as the leader of this raiding party. When Abu Bakr arrived at Wadi al-Qura, he ordered his troop to rest there; then they prayed. After prayer, Abu Bakr made a raid on B. Fazarah. The Muslims killed a number of B. Fazarah people and captured a number of their women and children. Among them was Umm Qirfa, a very old lady, wearing a worn-out piece of leather coat. With her was her young daughter, the fairest of the Arabs. Abu Bakr gave Umm Qirfa's pretty, young and vivacious daughter to the Jihadist Salamah b. al-Akwa who had captured her as a booty or sex-slave. After Salamah b. al-Akwa returned to Medina and met Muhammad at the market place, he (Muhammad) asked Salamah to offer this pretty young woman to him. Salamah told Muhammad that he liked her but had not had sex with her yet. Then he offered her to Muhammad.

Quoting Salamah, Tabari writes:[3]

'When I returned to Medina , the messenger of God met me in the market and said, "Salamah-how excellent the father who begot you!-give me the woman." I said, "Messenger of God, I like her, by God, and I have not uncovered her garment." He said nothing to me until the next day, when he met me in the market and said, "Salamah-how excellent a father begot you!-give me the woman." I said: "Messenger of God, I have not touched her garment. She is yours, Messenger of God." The Messenger of God sent her to Mecca , and with her he ransomed some Muslim captives who were in the hands of the polytheists.'

There is a similar Hadith from Sahih Muslim (Refer to: Sahih Muslim: Book 19, Hadith number 4345)

[1] Rodinson, p.197

[2] Reliance of the Traveller, p.604

[3] Tabari, vol. viii, p.97

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023.005

YUSUFALI: Who abstain from sex,

PICKTHAL: And who guard their modesty -

SHAKIR: And who guard their private parts,

023.006

YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

023.007

YUSUFALI: But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

PICKTHAL: But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -

SHAKIR: But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits;

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Brother I hope you see there is a difference between war captives who were previously married to non muslims and women in your neighborhood.

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Brother I hope you see there is a difference between war captives who were previously married to non muslims and women in your neighborhood.

In a neighborhood like Jerusalem for example.. if war breaks out between israelis and palos.. and say if palos win and i am on their side...

everything is fair in love and war :!!!: and its perfectly halal too..

and since i find it little bit less of a moral deed to keep slaves and .... and since i consider mutah to be a great form of halal relationship between consenting adults...

please start obsessing about mutah inshallah coz mutah is as halal as drinking water.

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In a neighborhood like Jerusalem for example.. if war breaks out between israelis and palos.. and say if palos win and i am on their side...

everything is fair in love and war :!!!: and its perfectly halal too..

and since i find it little bit less of a moral deed to keep slaves and .... and since i consider mutah to be a great form of halal relationship between consenting adults...

please start obsessing about mutah inshallah coz mutah is as halal as drinking water.

Slave may be a mistranslation, I think captive fits better. Make sure the women aren't raped though and that she wants to accept islam. After all of this is confirmed the rest is debatable.

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alslaam alaikum

Saz your very wrong... gods laws dont change overtime just the ingnorant's mind changes over time...

god factors time into accoutn when he legislates his laws and he is all knowing. .

if your god doesnt know thaty time is changing and he made a law that is not suitable for this time then excuse me but thats not my god because my god in infinite and all knowoing ,,,

the hallal of mohamad is hallal till judgment day and the haraam of mohamad is haraam till judgemnt day

I'm not saying mutah is haraam I'm saying that there are circumstances where mutah should be carried out....I know people who are carrying out mutah just to fulfil their desires and then the man is just leaving the women....In my opinion this is entirely wrong and I would most definitely discourage it to youngsters....in other circumstances such as, the man is going away and does not know of his return and does not want the woman to be tied with the contract of marriage therefore they can carry out mutah. To be honest I need to read up on it more as in how/why the Imams did it etc

Ma'salam

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Let your sisters do muta and then I'll say it's ok.  Will khamenai let you do muta with his sister or his daughters. Who r the girls guys will be doing mutah with? Did u ever think of that?  It's going to be your daughters and sisters these guys will be sleeping with. 

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On 8/4/2016 at 5:57 PM, Asadmahmud said:

Let your sisters do muta and then I'll say it's ok.  Will khamenai let you do muta with his sister or his daughters. Who r the girls guys will be doing mutah with? Did u ever think of that?  It's going to be your daughters and sisters these guys will be sleeping with. 

So when it was allowed by Allah and the Prophet, who did our esteemed sahaba do muta with? They weren't someone's daughter or sister?

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