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Mqm And Its Pro-wahabi Policies

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I would urge the govt to shoot the culprits in Public... we shias have indeed screwed ourselves .. Or kero Talib Johri/Abbas Kumaili/Shaukat Raza Shaukat/Nadeem Server ki taqleed... Aisay logon ko agay laogay tou poori qoum zaleel or khuwar hogi ... Khudara apni apni Ankhain kholo or apnay leader ko pahchano or apnay membaron par in jaisay bandaron ko nahi bithao !

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MQM is definitely not wahabbi. There are a number of shia youths who are part of MQM's day-to-day operations. In the last 5 yrs when MQM was in control, attacks on shias in khi went down significan

Hussain dude, no matter wat u say, MQM is a major power broker in Sindh. With so many corrupt PPP politicians around, ppl of khi n hyderabad look up to MQM leaders. Letting wahabbis come in khi and do

y u just after MQM...? Wat abt the active supporters of terrorists in the military????.. n majority of army personnels are from punjab! Major support for terrorism and wahabbism is coming from Punjab

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App logon ko ahsaas hojana chahiyay k yay sab k sab app k dushman hain , chahay woh PPP ho PML ho ya MQM ... dushman ko aisa moqa he kiun dou ... Larko nay dushman ko moqa dia or dushman nay kaam kia ... yay Qasoor larko ka hai dushman ka nahi .... Dushman tou app ko maarnay baitha hai .. woh tou marayga...

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there should complete continuous video be available without editting of a single minute of it,

continuous video...24hours before the incident ...and 24hours after the incident,

watch full video,

and you will see how terrorists planned terrorism,

and how they installed terrorists on places prior the ashura incident took place,

and how they managed terrorism on 'secret signal' recieved from the masters,

who authorised kamal mayor karachi to edit videos and dismentle video clips from original one and then destroy the seperated video clips???

who???

mqm's rabita committee???

babar ghori???

farooq sattar??? or,

wahabi yazeed altaf himself???

who has authorised kamal to edit video???

who has actually editted the video personally???

if, kamal of mqm has editted video,

then, this is an act of crime,

and it may be concluded that he himself was the part of the terrorist activity alongwith his terrorist gang,

he, as a servant of people, can not temper public property as video itself is a public property but not his personal property,

how and why he tempered public property with out any legal authority????

how and why????

wahabi mqm is now facilitating arrests of shia youths, those, who belong to iso or other shia organization intentionally to eliminate real shia lovers,

this is the real face of wahabi mqm,

please enjoy.

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Shia community needs to see this video and explain how they were expressing their pain and agony by looting property after the ashura blast the whole city understands that some of the azadars took full advantage of the situation going into a bank this is how you honor the memory of Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Here is the vdo[ btw wahabbis yazid or moavia wasnt on the streets that day shias were]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnKPwfbgBds

Shia community needs to see this video and explain how they were expressing their pain and agony by looting property after the ashura blast the whole city understands that some of the azadars took full advantage of the situation going into a bank this is how you honor the memory of Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Here is the vdo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnKPwfbgBds

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Shia community needs to see this video and explain how they were expressing their pain and agony by looting property after the ashura blast the whole city understands that some of the azadars took full advantage of the situation going into a bank this is how you honor the memory of Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Here is the vdo[ btw wahabbis yazid or moavia wasnt on the streets that day shias were]:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BnKPwfbgBds

Shia community needs to see this video and explain how they were expressing their pain and agony by looting property after the ashura blast the whole city understands that some of the azadars took full advantage of the situation going into a bank this is how you honor the memory of Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Here is the vdo:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BnKPwfbgBds

what a hell the law enforcement agencies were doing there ,  if azadars had to do these things not only these few markets but hundreds of markets would have been burnt where thousands of mourners were present after blast from light house to numaish, u people make the most of it and when a few ignorants "daykha kaykhi may " join u people then u film them and blame them for it all

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Shia chief minister Qaim Ali Shah exposed:

Karachi loot and plunder threatens PPP-MQM ties

Saturday, January 02, 2010

By Shaheen Sehbai

KARACHI: A highly mysterious and explosive situation is emerging as video footages of the looting and burning of Karachi’s commercial centres have revealed fatal flaws in the administrative structures and no political or bureaucratic high-up is ready to take responsibility.

What has been confirmed by all is that the Rangers and the police were simple bystanders watching the looters with folded hands as highly trained, white-gloved energetic young men, very confidently and methodically burnt one building after another, turning goods and property worth billions into ashes and unleashing dozens of conspiracy theories and scores of political problems between stakeholders in Karachi.

It is interesting to observe the sequence of events. Within an hour of the Ashura blast, which tragically was quickly forgotten, the battle for prime real estate of Karachi began in earnest. The MQM was furious and blamed the Sindh government leaders for mysteriously disappearing from Karachi when needed. The PPP leaders retorted in kind and accused the MQM of failing to check the fires. Where was the executive machinery to stop the loot and plunder was explained by neither side while fiercely indulging in the blame game.

Some pieces of what happened were put together by the correspondent of The News in Islamabad, Mohammad Ahmad Noorani, who separately interviewed several people, including the two senior-most officials of Sindh, the chief secretary and the home secretary.

According to Noorani, he had credible information that both these officials desperately sought the permission of the Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah and the Home Minister Zulfikar Mirza to use the available police and Rangers on the spot to shoot the arsonists and looters but both these PPP leaders kept on denying permission until the damage was done.

To confirm this serious allegation, Noorani telephoned both the chief secretary and the home secretary and their responses, on the record, were not only interesting but intriguing.

CS Fazal-ur-Rahman was asked whether he had sought permission from the chief minister and the home minister to open fire on the looters, his response was: “No, no, it was not like this. Actually, at some later stage, I did tell them (CM and HM) to be tough though I did not necessarily say to open fire. But if someone is destroying public property, authority should be given to tackle the situation. But nobody stopped us from using force.”

Q: “Nobody stopped you but you did not use force, as you should have under the law.”

CS: “In the past, there were magistrates to issue on-the-spot orders to fire. The police do not have that habit (to open fire without orders). I suppose there would have been a lack of coordination but the (looting) was so scattered and it was not that people were visible in sight. They came and then fled.”

Q: “I have it on good authority that you did seek permission to open fire but what you were told in reply, I don’t know.”

CS: Yes, I had asked them to use force. There was nothing more, not an issue of permission.

Q: Did you then ask the home secretary (to use force)?

CS: Yes, I had asked the home secretary to use fire.

Noorani then called the Home Secretary, Sindh, Arif Ahmed Khan. He was also asked the same question whether he sought permission from the CM and home minister to open fire.

His response: “There is nothing of this sort. You are totally talking about an irrelevant thing.”

When asked why they did not open fire to control the situation, in an agitated tone the home secretary said: “I am not supposed to be present on such occasions but the Inspector General of Police was there. They controlled the situation without firing a shot. It was a much wider thing than what you are advising. If one person had been killed by police firing, you people

would have got a news story to write but that would have been bad.

Then you think there was not much loss, he was asked. “There was a great loss but if one bullet had been fired, the loss would have been 10 times more,” the home secretary asserted.

While these two senior law and order officials of Sindh gave their points of view, one asking the home secretary to open fire, and the other saying that if one bullet was fired, there would have been a 10-fold loss, the Federal Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, added his bit on Friday when he addressed the business community at the FPCCI headquarters in Karachi.

Malik told them: “The police and the Rangers do not know how to fire their guns. They have no training and the business community must contribute to a fund to provide training to these forces.”

These conflicting statements have not been able to convince the Karachi city leaders, especially the MQM, which is now very agitated and perturbed on being blamed for not putting out the fires while the PPP leadership is getting away with a massive security lapse and display of incompetence.

The Karachi city leadership also fears that the burning down of many invaluable buildings in the commercial heart of Karachi is now being exploited by the politicians of all hue to grab the lands under the garb of building huge plazas after demolition of the burnt structures.

This fear was almost confirmed by Interior Minister Rehman Malik when he told the business community that plazas could be built and the shopkeepers, who lost their businesses, would be given the first right to get shops.

There was also some suggestion that pre-fabricated markets could be set up for the affected shopkeepers to begin their trading activity but the city leaders and the victims have rejected this proposal as they think once they accept anything, it would become the final settlement and their precious real estate would then be grabbed by influential politicians to build plazas and sell shops at exorbitant prices, which they would never be able to afford.

The whole controversy about the aftermath of the looting and burning has also seriously dented the talks between PPP and the MQM on the fate of the local bodies, especially the status of the Nazims of Karachi and Hyderabad.

A special meeting of the MQM and the PPP is to discuss this critical issue on January 2 in the shadows of President Zardari’s prolonged stay in the city but the Ashura blast and the arson that followed has polluted the political atmosphere between the two coalition partners.

Tension was visible when Interior Minister Rehman Malik and MQM Minister Farooq Sattar held a joint news conference and both stated their positions with little common ground visible.

Analysts say the only and the best solution of the Karachi situation would be a judicial probe, headed by a senior High Court or Supreme Court judge, so that the entire evidence is taken in, analysed objectively and responsibility is fixed. If this is not done, relations between the PPP and the MQM may hit rock bottom faster than many expect.

— Mohammed Ahmed Noorani in Islamabad contributed to this report

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=216476

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jamat-e-islami curse mqm,

mqm curse jamat-e-islami,

this is nothing but drama,

they both make mockery with sunnis and shias of karachi,

mqm know well that shias of karachi have very negative feelings about jamat-e-islami,

mqm just cash this feeling by cursing mqm,

they both curse each other on tvs to make sure that shias of karachi could not unite under one umbrella,

they both just fool people,

if you go on policies,

what is the difference between policies of jamat-e-islami and mqm????

both supported kesc privitization,

both supported 17th amendment,

both enjoyed musharraf's support, mqm in karachi and jamat-e-islami in peshawar,

both work on foreign agendas,

both are violent and use terror against opponents,

wahabi altaf curse taliban every day,

kamal mayor daily points out taliban hideouts in karachi,

how many Surveillance cameras have been installed near taliban hideouts, for example; in sohraab goth, how many????

who stops kamal mayor???

why kamal mayor does not install Surveillance cameras in bus stands where inter-city busses come and go, why????

who stops mayor kamal????

both mqm and jamat-e-islami betray people of karachi.

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After this calamity which was of their making they instead of passing blame on mqm need to do some soul-searching as who was responsible for terrorism torching looting of shops on that day editing of videos and all this [Edited Out] trying to divert from the issue that shia were on the prowl on that day, mqm is actually doing your community a favour city government helping people on the ground at bolton market there is no government help from the shia-infested provincial ministry or the federal government, Shia Zardari is giving checks to affectees in Azad Kashmir who were injured during the 9 th muharram blast probaly because they were shia and the victims in Karachi who still licking their wounds are sunnis Chehlum is on its way again shias will try to get a political procession thru those places as the whole year you dont do anything apart from azadari[ shows whom your loyalties are with], shopkeepers of that bolton market used to generous donate and contribute in sabeels during muharram now they've realized they have wasted their time and energy, shias dont need to make conspiracy theories instead try and control the mad extremist factions of their community or else the reaction of the rest of karachi will come upon each and everyone of you.

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terrorism in the world started after or around 911,

while terrorism in karachi is not new and started in 1979 immediately after wahabi ziaul haq illegally invaded pakistan with the help of jamat-e-islami,

sunnis and shias, both are victims of terrorism in karachi,

whether this is moharram procession or 12 rabi ul awal procession, terrorism is always waiting in karachi for both shias and sunnis,

unity among victims will defeat terrorists,

this is the only way out,

the loss of shias and sunnis whether they were martyred on 12 rabi ul awal or on moharram is unrecoverable,

while the loss of shops is recoverable,

both sunnis and shias should understand that there are some hidden sources who want to eliminate influential figures of both sinnis and shias,

wahabism in Karachi will destroy both sunnis and shias,

both may defeat terrorist wahabis with keeping unity among them,

this is the only way out,

this is not the question that whether mqm itself has burnt the shops or not,

the question is, who are those who want to humiliate the massage of sunnis and shias,

who want to destroy the image of sunnis and shias,

this is question,

recently, Wahabi cleric Mohammad al-UreifiIn in his Friday (Jan 1st, 2010) sermon in Riyadh called Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani an "atheist and debauched."

Although there are lot of shias in karachi who follow Ali al-sistani,

But have you heard any condemnation from any ‘shia lover’ party of Pakistan including mqm????

Shias are blamed and humiliated unjustly by wahabis, and ‘shia lovers’ just keep silence???

Even they prepare and produce fake videos to destroy the image of shias????

This is question.

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After this calamity which was of their making they instead of passing blame on mqm need to do some soul-searching as who was responsible for terrorism torching looting of shops on that day editing of videos and all this [Edited Out] trying to divert from the issue that shia were on the prowl on that day, mqm is actually doing your community a favour city government helping people on the ground at bolton market there is no government help from the shia-infested provincial ministry or the federal government, Shia Zardari is giving checks to affectees in Azad Kashmir who were injured during the 9 th muharram blast probaly because they were shia and the victims in Karachi who still licking their wounds are sunnis Chehlum is on its way again shias will try to get a political procession thru those places as the whole year you dont do anything apart from azadari[ shows whom your loyalties are with], shopkeepers of that bolton market used to generous donate and contribute in sabeels during muharram now they've realized they have wasted their time and energy, shias dont need to make conspiracy theories instead try and control the mad extremist factions of their community or else the reaction of the rest of karachi will come upon each and everyone of you.

Dude which side of the universe did you pop up from.. coming to the forums to do nothing but spew hatred against shias. Why don't you take your politics someplace else...do you even realize that in all of your posts there is not a single piece of evidence but just a lot of lunatic ranting. |If you want to pass accusations come with some solid proof. You are just like the western media that portrays Palestinians as the terrorists and the Israelis as the martyrs...well i shouldn't be surprised this has been going on since times unknown... :mad: .

At least try to take into account the feelings of someone whose friends or relatives might have been martyred and the way they would feel after reading your insensitive posts.

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After this calamity which was of their making they instead of passing blame on mqm need to do some soul-searching as who was responsible for terrorism torching looting of shops on that day editing of videos and all this [Edited Out] trying to divert from the issue that shia were on the prowl on that day, mqm is actually doing your community a favour city government helping people on the ground at bolton market there is no government help from the shia-infested provincial ministry or the federal government, Shia Zardari is giving checks to affectees in Azad Kashmir who were injured during the 9 th muharram blast probaly because they were shia and the victims in Karachi who still licking their wounds are sunnis Chehlum is on its way again shias will try to get a political procession thru those places as the whole year you dont do anything apart from azadari[ shows whom your loyalties are with], shopkeepers of that bolton market used to generous donate and contribute in sabeels during muharram now they've realized they have wasted their time and energy, shias dont need to make conspiracy theories instead try and control the mad extremist factions of their community or else the reaction of the rest of karachi will come upon each and everyone of you.

No proofs, evidences etc. Typical ranting of an anti-Shia fundamentalist. Please return with a more solid argument and not just beat about by the bush. So according to you all Shias, lemme say that again, ALL SHIAS just do azadari the whole year round and NOTHING else?

Are you for real? You're the exact counterpart of the western media when it comes down to talking about Islam and its followers.

Good day to you and may Allah grant you some form of prudence and wisdom, otherwise I fear for the Muslim community. It is people like you that are a cancer to the Shia-Sunni relations.

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@Legio_Invicta..... Haha... you have reverts[sunni converts] and shia-sunni relations on the same forum and you call me a cancer for sunni-shia relations. You need to diagnose the psyhological disease that your community has that shia is innocent whatever he does loot burn poor people's property kill people, some years ago there was a fast food restaurant located in central Karachi [at a place called NIPA] behind it there is an imambargah called madinat-ul-ilm a would be suicide bomber tried to detonate could'nt got killed with just one person the security guard guarding the imambargah shias came down protesting and set the fast food restaurant on fire killing 5 employees, one of the employees was the only breadwinner of his house, he left his elderly mother widow and 2 children around 3 and another 5 year old kid, there was'nt blackwater then only shia terrorists who're never caught if identified and few of them were caught Shia terrorist organization ISO[ Imamia Students Organization] came down protesting on the streets warning of dire consequences of civil war blaming foreign powers for the fast food restaurant massacre saying Israel or India or mossad are involved [as they were present in imambargah at that time]

Recently again they were protesting as the ATM that was stolen during the Ashura bomb blast looting was found at the home of Taqi Abbas in Lyari all people were identified thru cctv footage torching looting burning shops some who are identified and arrested are all found to be shias making the most out of the situation like Israel used phosphorus when torching those shops and ISO believes that they are all angels as they are shias if shia community has a spine than they should address the ISO and other terrorist activites in their midst and co-operate with the rest in dealing with the extremst factions from within the shia community. If ISO is given a free hand than sunnis also have the right to defend themselves by all means necessary.

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I think you first need to let go of your prejudice to properly understand the facts. Debates and arguments are not won on the basis of random accusations!

Can you give me some source from which you got that shias burned the resta?were you there yourself?and if you weren't there then who told you the story?

And where do you come from blaming ISO for being a terrorist organization...i mean i am actually laughing right now reading your post. If ISO were a terrorist organization, they could have done so much damage you cant even begin to imagine.

Let me just relate to you an incident of how false propaganda spreads...last year a shia gal was crushed by a bus, a Jamiat-e-islami dude started an argument with a shia on the issue and after a while took out weapons and all. Then other people jumped in and a whole fiasco was created...Several abandoned classes, broken windows later...the news that was circulating was that ISO had started a fight with weapons and all. Now imagine who started the fight, and who ended up getting blamed for it!

Finally tell me what makes you believe they are terrorists...have you read some literature from them that suggests such a thing...have you attended some rally where they propagate such views?If not then where are you coming from...you do realize that slandering someone is a sin in Islam.

JI regularly harassers shias in PU...by not even letting them pray...if ISO was a TO they would have also resorted to violence just as JI does...have you ever heard of such an incident?

They don't let ISO operate in various uni's and colleges...create various problems for them...even then ISO arranges yom-e-hussain(a.s) where all the non-shias are invited. Believe me all the incidents i am narrating are from first hand knowledge...so am not spreading heard stories....so why don't you do the same!

Lol...can you just give me the number of shias that have been killed in Pakis in the past 5 years and also the number of sunnis, wahabis, salafis etc. After comparing the numbers if the sunnis exceed in their deaths from Terrorist targeting...i would defi agree that shias are the terrorists and not the victims.

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mqm’s wahabi altaf day and night shouts against Taliban,

mqm’s wahabi mayor mustafa kamal day and night shouts against Taliban hideouts in Karachi,

Karachi has faced so many events of bloodshed and violence conducted by wahabi Taliban terrorists,

How many FIRs mqm has launched nominating Taliban wahabi terrorists????

How many…up to now????

JUST NONE,

Why????

Singing ‘taliban…taliban…taliban’ in a chorus is another thing,

Why mqm do not nominate Taliban wahabi terrorists, if they have confirmed information????

mqm claimed victory in baldia area in both 2002 and 2008 elections as records show below:

In 2002:

For national assembly, Sarkar Uddin Advocate, (NA-240) Baldia/Pak Colony,

For provincial assembly, Tasleem Ul Hassan Farooqi, (PS-91) Baldia Town,

In 2008:

For national assembly, Khawaja Sohail Mansoor from mqm won from baldia (NA-240) with more than 67000 votes,

While sunni tehrik got only 91 votes and MMA (a religious parties alliance) got only 1600 votes,

And, for provincial assembly, Muhammad hanif sheikh from mqm won from baldia (PS-91) with more than 37000 votes,

While MMA got only around 5000 votes from this constituency,

This is the same baldia area, house no 807 located in sector 8 of Baldia Town, where the explosion occurred on January 9th 2010 due to blast of suicide jacket which claimed 6 lives. a huge quantity of illegal weaponry, including dozens of hand grenades, detonators, 3 Kalashnikovs 29 bullet magazines, 3 SUICIDE JACKETS and ball bearings, 3 mobile phones, several mobile phone SMIs and computers were recovered,

The explosion occurred due to blast of suicide jacket,

If, this is the area where no one can win elections except mqm,

How and why mqm was unaware of such massive weapons movements in the area????

Have mqm ever launched a complaint or FIR for illegal arms movements in House No.807 in baldia town ever ????

While mqm has own security arrangements in its constituencies,

While mqm’s armed men guard the streets day and night,

While no one can come or go without the knowledge of mqm’s armed men,

While, mqm’s armed men close local streets after 12.00 in the midnight with barriers,

While no vehicle can come or go without knowledge of armed men of mqm,

With all that, how it is possible that such massive quantity of weapons can move freely on the streets of Karachi without knowledge of mqm?????

Why mqm did not show its suspicion for House No. 807 before the blast????

How is it possible that dozens of individuals continue to come and go in and from that house with huge weapons and mqm had no clue and realized no suspicion, why????

If you remember, there was another event in Karachi just few months ago,

A huge powerful explosion was occurred on 26th of June 2009, in a warehouse of explosives in an area of Karachi ‘gharibabad’. The house in which highly explosive material was stored belonged to Mr.Azeem, an official of mqm sector liaqatabad, unit 158,

Mr.Azeem of mqm has been involved in this business for years. Due to fear of mqm, no one had courage to object on Mr. Azeem’s illegal weapon business.

According to a senior police officer, explosives do not seem to be ordinary explosives that are usually used in calibrations and social events, but from the huge explosion and its destruction on such a large scale it shows that the material stored in the pretext of ordinary explosives, were highly sensitive explosive material that may be used in sabotage and bombings.

Due to huge explosion, 3 people were killed on the spot, 32 injured in which 4 are in critical condition. At least 7 houses of neighboring area were also destroyed completely,

Mr. Azeem of mqm has vanished since,

With all that proofs, who can deny that mqm itself has an involvement in terrorist activities in Karachi????

From the above it seems that, Terrorists of mqm themselves kill influential figures of sunni and shia communities in Karachi and put blames on Taliban,

It seems that mqm is an enemy of sunni and shia faith in Karachi,

mqm, on foreign instructions, will never allow increase in strength of sunnis and shias in Karachi,

Every body can witness NOW the direction of wahabis, house of saud and mqm,

Its no secret any more.

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Suppose, any Iraqi political or religious personality calls wahabi devbandi shafie or rafie usmani "atheist and debauched" then???

Do you think that wahabi altaf and others will also keep silent then as they are silent now even if they all can clearly hear what wahabi saudi mufti had tried to insult Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani???

Why they all are silent???

Because, they all have no respect of religion and are agents of wahabi/saudi/yazeedis.

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They all coordinate with each other,

They all are connected in the same chain,

They all are handled by one master house of saud,

Whether this is wahabi mqm or lashkar jhangvi or sipah sahaba or jamat islami or else,

They all work for the one single aim but differently,

For example:

Wahabi mqm’s job is to cut relations of shias of Karachi from all shias of Pakistan and shias from all countries of the world and to make sure that shias of Karachi live in a capsule,

Wahabi mqm’s job is to re-shape shias of Karachi into ‘cut and amend’ identity according to the orders received from house of saud,

Wahabi mqm’s job is to make sure that shias of Karachi should limit themselves to ‘joloos-majalis processions only’

Wahabi mqm’s job is to isolate shias of Karachi,

Wahabi mqm’s job is to make sure that shias of Karachi have no political voice. Politics either national or international should not be a job of shias of Karachi according to mqm’s view,

Wahabi mqm’s job is to make sure that millions and millions of shias of Karachi are politically dead,

Imagine a situation in which terrorists attack and kill shias in Karachi and if shias organize peaceful protests to show solidarity with the victims then wahabi mqm oppose it, why???

Because, wahabi mqm and their masters are fearful of shia unity in Karachi,

And here terrorists and wahabi mqm can be seen on same side,

Terrorists kill shias and wahabi mqm make sure that shias continue to sleep,

Terrorists kill shias and shias remain disunited and directionless,

Terrorists kill shias and wahabi mqm make sure that shias should not organize a united protest,

Thousands of shias including highly influencial personalities, have been martyred in Karachi by the hands of terrorists since wahabi ziaul haq’s invasion of Pakistan,

But, mqm, and other parties always come in the middle to discourage break any efforts for shia unity,

Is shia unity harmful???

Why shia unity is unacceptable in Pakistan ???

Don’t you see how US lobbyists work in Pakistan and no one has objection???

Don’t you see how british lobbyists work in Pakistan and no one has objection???

Don’t you see how bharti lobbyists work in Pakistan and no one has objection???

Don’t you see how wahabi lobbyists work in Pakistan and no one has objection???

Etc…

If, they have freedom of choice,

Why shias can’t have freedom of choice????

Isn’t it an open discrimination and hatred against shias in Pakistan????

Why shias should live in Pakistan like ‘pocket things’ of mqm and others????

Why shias can not live in Pakistan independently with freedom of choice and full unity??

Why there are severe restrictions for shias in pakistan???

Is it freedom???

But for whom???

For terrorists???

For wahabi mqm and the likes???

But where are freedom for shias????

How long shias will continue to live under ‘freedom of bloodshed of shias’ ????

Is this jinah’s Pakistan???

Taliban or 911 are recent scenarios,

But shias in Pakistan face bloodsheds since the beginning,

Have you forgotten shia massacre in khairpur sindh in june 1963 by wahabi terrorists in which more than hundred shias were gunned down in a matter of minutes????

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Wahabi mqm’s job is to cut relations of shias of Karachi from all shias of Pakistan

abay gadhay, why don't you cite some reference?

Here is the reference of Nawaz ganja's wahhabiat towards shias. Just for you, you muhajir-hating fool from Chak Chauntalih:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=217351

Shia leaders have been taken aback by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Chief Nawaz Sharif apparently snubbing the leaders of the community and not contacting them during his two-day visit to Karachi.

Jafferia Alliance Chief Abbas Kumaili expressed his surprise at Sharif not meeting any Shia Ulema, claiming that if Sharif had any personal reservations about him, he should have at least met with any other leader, or visited the bereaved families to express his condolences to them.

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Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against illegal invasion of iraq???

While both shias and sunnis oppose it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against illegal invasion of Afghanistan???

While both shias and sunnis oppose it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against Israeli war in the year 2006 against Lebanon???

While both shias and sunnis opposed it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested or participated in al-qods rallies for falistinian independence???

While both shias and sunnis support and participate in it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever issued even few words of praise for scientist abdul qadir khan???

While both shias and sunnis praise him,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever organized public rally to protest against illegal movements of foreign missions and foreign secret agencies in pakistan???

While both shias and sunnis oppose them,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested and organized public rallies against bharti blockage of Pakistani waters???

While not only shias and sunnis but all communities in Pakistan condemn bharti blockage of Pakistani waters,

Have you ever heard that any Pakistani politician went bharat and called in a speech that “creation of Pakistan was the greatest blunder in the history of mankind”???

But, wahabi terrorist altaf did it, while every community in Pakistan support creation of Pakistan,

How dare and why wahabi altaf name Fatima Jinah favouring her in the pretext of 1960s presidential elections while he himself…the wahabi altaf …openly called creation of Pakistan…a greatest blunder …in bharat visit??? Does he…the wahabi altaf, have right to even simply deliver the name ‘Fatima Jinah’ from his dirty wahabi mouth, while he..the same wahabi altaf, cursed creation of Pakistan on bharti soil????

While both shias and sunnis never curse Pakistan,

Why and how, while wahabi ziaul haq was busy to crush each and every political party in Pakistan, but the same yazeed ziaul haq fully acted in a way that paved the way for establishment of wahabi mqm in Karachi???? Why wahabi ziaul haq supported two parties wholly-solely in Pakistan..wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami, and later created pml, why???? Why wahabi altaf never called public rallies to topple wahabi ziaul haq ever???

While both shias and sunnis always rejected ziaul haq,

Go and check out and carefully study the policies of wahabi house of saud for last 30 years throughout and step by step,

You will find that there has always been a coordination and unity between policies of wahabi house of saud and wahabi mqm,

Both take similar instances on international issues…always,

Both wahabi altaf and wahabi saddam use/used same tactics as per wahabi saud’s instructions to fool people,

While both wahabi altaf and wahabi saddam always call/called themselves as seculars,

Both always tried to crush shias/sunnis to promote wahabism…overtly and covertly.

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Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against illegal invasion of Afghanistan???

Paindoo miyan, Invasion of Afghanistan is different from a major bomb blast in your own backyard. Your backyard, if you consider Karachi to be your backyard.

But Nawaz ganja would not condemn killings of tens of shias during Ashura, and you try to overlook this fact?

You are clearly a racist Punjabi, who hates urdu-speaking/muhajirs to your guts. So much is your hatred that you don't worry about Taliban supporters like Nawaz and Imran Mullah, but is constantly abusing MQM which actually supports shias.

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Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against illegal invasion of iraq???

While both shias and sunnis oppose it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against illegal invasion of Afghanistan???

While both shias and sunnis oppose it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested against Israeli war in the year 2006 against Lebanon???

While both shias and sunnis opposed it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested or participated in al-qods rallies for falistinian independence???

While both shias and sunnis support and participate in it,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever issued even few words of praise for scientist abdul qadir khan???

While both shias and sunnis praise him,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever organized public rally to protest against illegal movements of foreign missions and foreign secret agencies in pakistan???

While both shias and sunnis oppose them,

Have you ever heard that wahabi altaf and his gang ever protested and organized public rallies against bharti blockage of Pakistani waters???

While not only shias and sunnis but all communities in Pakistan condemn bharti blockage of Pakistani waters,

Have you ever heard that any Pakistani politician went bharat and called in a speech that “creation of Pakistan was the greatest blunder in the history of mankind”???

But, wahabi terrorist altaf did it, while every community in Pakistan support creation of Pakistan,

How dare and why wahabi altaf name Fatima Jinah favouring her in the pretext of 1960s presidential elections while he himself…the wahabi altaf …openly called creation of Pakistan…a greatest blunder …in bharat visit??? Does he…the wahabi altaf, have right to even simply deliver the name ‘Fatima Jinah’ from his dirty wahabi mouth, while he..the same wahabi altaf, cursed creation of Pakistan on bharti soil????

While both shias and sunnis never curse Pakistan,

Why and how, while wahabi ziaul haq was busy to crush each and every political party in Pakistan, but the same yazeed ziaul haq fully acted in a way that paved the way for establishment of wahabi mqm in Karachi???? Why wahabi ziaul haq supported two parties wholly-solely in Pakistan..wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami, and later created pml, why???? Why wahabi altaf never called public rallies to topple wahabi ziaul haq ever???

While both shias and sunnis always rejected ziaul haq,

Go and check out and carefully study the policies of wahabi house of saud for last 30 years throughout and step by step,

You will find that there has always been a coordination and unity between policies of wahabi house of saud and wahabi mqm,

Both take similar instances on international issues…always,

Both wahabi altaf and wahabi saddam use/used same tactics as per wahabi saud’s instructions to fool people,

While both wahabi altaf and wahabi saddam always call/called themselves as seculars,

Both always tried to crush shias/sunnis to promote wahabism…overtly and covertly.

to radisson:

No,

all pakistanis are not wahabis,

although, you, jamat islami, wahabi mqm, and others want to pakistan a wahabi state,

but, your dreams wont come true,

devils can create troubles but can never win,

this is the promise of God,

as we see what happened with yazeed... the powerful ruined king.

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In my personal knowledge, many Iranian use to come over Karachi for Business.They import Pakistani Garments export leftover. But this is amazing that they all have to smuggled their goods through Iranian/Balouch community living at Pakistan/Iran border. Iranian Govt. not allowed to trade through Pakistan By road and also impose massive duty on Pakistan's made up Garments.By sea through bander Abbass it would take 60-90 days to clear the shipment and have to pay high duties which is only legal route.I don't know any Pakistani firm doing business in Iran or any Businessman has welcomed in Iran.Many Iranian are running hotels in Karachi for last many years and doing business freely here.

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why mqm support, shelter and strengthen anti-religion elements???

while, in the gesture of supporting anti-religion elements, mqm discourages and eliminates shias and sunnis and strengthen wahabis,

this has been happening in karachi since last 25 years after the emergence of wahabi ziaul haq and wahabi mqm,

wahabi ziaul haq and wahabi mqm had/have close connections and relations with anti-IRI/anti-Iran and pro-monarchy elements,

both wahabi ziaul haq and wahabi mqm allowed/allow them to live in karachi,

they use them to destabilize Iran,

in my view, wahabi mqm had a role in recent western sponsored riots in Iran,

mqm is nothing but another gang of saddam or gang of saleh of yemen,

they all work/worked for wahabi house of saud.

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Pakistan exported to Iran US$214.20 million worth of goods in 2007-08 and US$399.04 million in 2008-09, showing an increase of 86pc. The trade between Pakistan and Iran has crossed the figure of US$1 billion from 773.53 million in 2007-08 to US $1,251.37 million in 2008-09,

During 2006-2007, the trade between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia was with a total volume of US$ 3323.4 million including US$ 329.3 million from Pakistan. The trade exceeded to US$ 4 billion during 2008-2009, while Pakistani share remained almost same.

while,

Iran can not establish a bank in pakistan, while saudi arabia can,

Iran can not establish business display centers in pakistan, saudi arabia can,

State bank of pakistan does not allow LC for Iran, saudis are allowed,

Iran can not operate its passenger planes in pakistani cities, saudi arabia can,

etc...

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@Hussainmehdi Pakistan buys oil from Saudi Arabia worth billions of dollars and every year begs them to reschedule it so give them more time to pay off which Saudi Arabia accepts what is trade volume with GCC countries[saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Oman] or muslim countries unlike Iran that actively share technology transfer like Malaysia and Indonesia, trade between Iran and India is more than 5+ Billion apart from shia clerics blaming anything that goes in Iran on Pakistan to escape their own incompetence of catching culprits. Iran due to its shia identity for since safavid times actually does the opposite or try to hurt other muslim countries by bringing in Armeinians to shame Turks having ties with the catholic diocese having an mission in medieval Italy which definitely did not had the best of interest of muslim at that time, or in 1995 when Pakistan table resolution in OIC for Kashmir [after this they were to move to UN] Iran backed off saying that we like to have better ties with both India and Pakistan, recently when investigators found the centrifuges Iran said that Pakistan gave it to us after that Pak image was tarnished by its enemies as nuclear proliferator an AQ Khan episode hussainmehdi mite have an excuse for this but Iran's intent has been kind of dentrimental to the interest of sunni countries since they forcibly converted their population to shiism starting 1501 and these shia munafiqeen celebrate there are no sunnis left in Iran and reiterate diversity in sunni majority countries, shia hypocrisy at its best or word in shia religion Taqiyyah.

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Immediately after explosion in ashura in Karachi, within minutes, mqm put blame on Taliban,

Following mqm’s line… a group of Taliban accepted the responsibility of ashura bombing in Karachi,

What is the connection between that Taliban group that immediately accepted the responsibility of ashura bombing and mqm????

Don’t you think that both mqm and that Taliban group work for the same cause???

Both facilitate each other???

Both working on foreign agenda???

Both ‘hush’ people from religion???

Both want to create anti-religion feelings???

Both want to create a chaotic situation in Pakistan in the name of Taliban???

Both want foreign forces to interfere and to invite them into Pakistan by creating such situation???

Why a group in Taliban immediately accepted the responsibility only after mqm accused Taliban???

While all other groups of Taliban rejected the claim and accusation of mqm and said ‘they did not commit such crime’

Why then, one group in Taliban wants to give a kind of support to mqm’s claims and accusations that Taliban have committed such heinous crime????

Why???

It means…some where else…definitely; such groups of Taliban (that accepted the responsibility) and mqm have close coordination,

The same Taliban group may be involved in terrorist activities in all FATA and waziristan areas,

Both mqm and this Taliban group work for the same cause,

Why mayor kamal edited the video and those whose photos were edited and did not publish, were killed through target killings later????

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If, shias of Pakistan say that that all out relations with Iran are must,

Is it because they are shias???

If shias of Pakistan say that that relations with wahabi house of saud should be limited,

Is it because they are shias???

If you think neutral,

And if you look around what is happening, then,

Not only you but every one in Pakistan will also reach on this same conclusion,

It does not require any special intelligence,

Atomic bombs can not safeguard Pakistan,

Iran relations, however, can strengthen and safeguard Pakistan,

And people should say it loudly and boldly without fear because its true,

Wahabi house of saud are installed agents of foreigners just like shah of iran once,

Shias have kicked out foreign agent shah,

If you support wahabi house of saud today, you actually support a foreign agent,

Look! What house of saud has done in the world,

Al-qaeda,

Terrorism,

Destruction of iran-iraq through pushing saddam to war in 80s,

Destruction of Kuwait by again igniting saddam to war,

Destruction of whole region by inviting foreign forces into region,

Destruction of iraq again,

Destruction of Afghanistan,

Destruction of yemen,

Supporting and financing terrorists in Pakistan,

The label of terrorism on the forefront of muslims is a destructive and humiliating gift from wahabi house of saud,

Wahabi house of saud bribes various terrorist groups in Pakistan to wage pressure on Pakistani government and Pakistani people,

Wahabi house of saud bribes various political parties in Pakistan to push them work on foreign agendas,

Wahabi house of saud have zero favor from Pakistani people but successfully create an impression through bribed agents that as if every Pakistani is dying for wahabi house of saud. While this is a fraudulent impression and Pakistanis know wahabi house of saud well,

The faulty and destructive character of wahabi house of saud is very visible to every one and has become more visible during last 30 years since wahabi ziaul haq.

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Shias have been divided among ppp, wahabi mqm, anp, pml and others,

Each and every party is not sincere with shias,

They all are degrading, harming and isolating shias in various capsules of community,

They restrict shias unity through satanic ways,

They all coordinate and cooperate each other behind the scene on shia exploitation,

They all are united to never allow shias unity,

Whenever, there is clash between wahabi mqm and anp,

Both parties send pashtoon shias or sunnis and mahajir shias or sunnis to ‘go and fight from mqm and anp’ and kill each other, while from both sides there either shias or sunnis are killed,

Mostly shias are hurt,

Mostly shia properties are destroyed,

Mostly shias face all hardships,

Why is this????

Why shias or sunnis continue to kill each other under various faulty slogans????

Why shias or sunnis continue to fight each other under fake impressions????

Why????

While, all benefits go to wahabis,

Whether shias or sunnis are killed from mqm, or,

Whether shias or sunnis are killed from anp, or,

Whether shias or sunnis are killed from ppp or pml or etc,

But, all benefit from all fights goes to wahabis,

But, only wahabis get strengthened,

But, both shias and sunnis get weakened,

Is it wise????

If, one believes that that this is all foolish, why one acts foolishly then????

Why????

Recently, various shias were kidnapped in karachi,

It is said that they were kidnapped by balochis,

Why balochis should kidnap shias???

The fight that started few days ago, was between mqm gangsters and liyari gandsters,

So, why shias only????

How many wahabis have been killed under mqm mafia and liyari mafia fight????

How many wahabis have been kidnapped by ‘balochis’ ????

Why shias only????

Did you watch any wahabi on geo or ary tvs, telling about kidnapping by balochis????

Why shias only????

mqm’s wahabi terrorists either themselves in the shape of balochis or hired criminal balochis, organize these kidnapping to isolate and weaken shias,

wahabi/najdi/devbandi/yazeedi mqm is doing these activities purposefully,

shia balochi clash has so many dimensions, as both shias and balochis live in iran too,

wahabi mqm is a foreign tout, created and established with only one purpose, that is to weaken and damage shias at all cost in its range,

Who is benefiting from all that????

Shias or binoria/devbandi wahabis????

Who????

Those, who trust brainlessly are always face setbacks and destructions,

The only answer from shias is the all out unity among all shias….immediately.

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Who has authorized wahabi terrorist mqm to talk on behalf of shias of Karachi???

Who has authorized wahabi terrorist mqm to interfere into shia matters???

Who has declared wahabi terrorist mqm as custodian of shias of Karachi???

Who???

London based wahabi altaf??? Or,

London installed house of saud???

Who???

How wahabi mqm’s terrorists come on Pakistani media and make mockeries on shias,

How wahabi mqm’s terrorists come on Pakistani media as whole-sole spokesmen of shias of Karachi,

You know???

In the same city Karachi,

Agha khan represents agha khanis,

Bahai sect has own national spiritual assembly in Karachi,

Wahabis/devbandis have own binoria/darul uloom (usmani) authority,

Qadyanis have own system,

Hindus have own system,

Only sunnis and shias are directionless,

Only sunnis and shias have no platform that could represent them and safeguard their identity,

Why???

Why sunnis and shias are so directionless???

Why sunnis and shias are still a crowd in the year 2010 but not a nation ???

Why sunnis and shias have become target of wahabi vultures???

Have you ever noticed that sunnis or shias were invited on Pakistani media to talk on behalf of agha khanis???

Have you ever noticed that sunnis or shias were invited on Pakistani media to talk on behalf of bahais???

Have you ever noticed that sunnis or shias were invited on Pakistani media to talk on behalf of wahabis/devbandis???

Have you ever noticed that sunnis or shias were invited on Pakistani media to talk on behalf of qadyanis???

Have you ever noticed that sunnis or shias were invited on Pakistani media to talk on behalf of hindus???

Why then today, wahabis have become sole spokesmen of sunnis and shias in Pakistan, why???

Why then today, wahabis have become sole custodian of sunnis and shias in Pakistan, why???

Wahabi terrorist mqm never interferes into agha khani matters,

Wahabi terrorist mqm never interferes into bahai matters,

Wahabi terrorist mqm never interferes into wahabi/devbandi matters,

Wahabi terrorist mqm never interferes into qadyani or hindu matters,

Why then wahabi terrorist mqm interferes into sunni and shia matters???

Have you ever noticed that wahabi altaf condemned wahabi binoria darul uloom when binoria darul uloom Karachi issued and published fatwa of kufr and shirk against sunnis and shias???

Wahabi terrorist altaf kept silence,

The same wahabi altaf jumps in the middle of the scene immediately when wahabi terrorists murder sunnis and shias of Karachi through terrorist activities as directed by wahabi binoria and other madressas???

Why the same wahabi terrorist altaf does not jump in the middle of the scene and condemn wahabi binoria and wahabi usmani darul uloom madressas for issuing and publishing hate fatwas against sunnis and shias???

Why wahabi terrorist altaf does not condemn these wahabi madressas by name???

Why wahabi terrorist altaf does not call for the closure of such wahabi madressas in Karachi that issue and publish hate fatwas against sunnis and shias???

Why???

Because he, the wahabi altaf himself, is a wahabi and works for wahabi Saudi domination in Karachi,

There is no doubt about it any more,

whether this is tehrik taliban or lashkar jhangvi or mqm or jamat islami or else,

they all work for wahabi saudi domination in pakistan in full coordination,

one kills and the other talks sweet,

they all are terrorist wahabis.

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Why wahabi terrorist mqm does not organize procession of Eid Miladun Nabi by itself???

What is wrong into it if wahabi terrorist mqm organize an evening procession of Eid Miladun Nabi through its sunni members and workers???

What is wrong into it if wahabi terrorist mqm take out Eid Miladun Nabi procession from nine zero through its sunni members and workers and walk around whole azizabad and then end it in azizabad ground where speakers should highlight the importance of Prophet and the event of Eid Miladun Nabi on stage????

The same way,

Wahabi terrorist mqm should also organize Alam processions by itself through its shia members and workers on Ashura and Chehlam and on 8th Rabiul Awwal from nine zero in the same manner,

Karachi has 90% sunni and shia population,

And if wahabi terrorist mqm actually represents sunnis and shias of Karachi but not wahabis/devbandis,

Then why wahabi mqm never did that???

Is that all haraam???

Who stops wahabi mqm to commemorate these events by itself through its sunni and shia workers openly on the streets of karachi???

Participation in juloos and in eid miladun nabi processions is another thing,

Why wahabi mqm does not organize these event by itself???

Why wahabi mqm does not promote sunni and shia rituals and ideology in Karachi by itself???

Why wahabi mqm never did it in the past more than 20 years????

In the love of sunnis and shias of karachi??? Or,

In the love of wahabis/devbandis???

Sunnis and Shias are the real custodian of Karachi,

while wahabi mqm is promoting wahabi ideology in karachi in the love of wahabi house of saud,

how long wahabi mqm will continue to fool sunnis and shias of Karachi???

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Why wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami call shias killings as ignite sectarian violence????

Is shias killings an effort to ignite sectarian violence????

While both wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami know very well that shias have no interest in violence,

While both wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami know very well that shias have no tendency to carry out terrorist activities,

While both wahabi mqm and wahabi jamat islami know very well that shias have no religious support to perform killings of people,

Why then wahabi altaf comes on tv and calls on shias from London to not go on sectarian violence in reply of terrorism against shias????

While shia religion already prohibits violence???

The fact of the matter is: wahabis terrorists are killing both sunnis and shias,

Both shias and sunnis are peace full nation,

Wahabis are violent,

Its wahabism that allows mass killings of ‘mushriks’ and ‘kafirs’ including shias and sunnis,

Its wahabism that bases on terrorism and violence,

Its wahabis who have been killing both sunnis and shias since last 30 years or more,

Why wahabi terrorist altaf and his step sister jamat islami call on shias to not go on violence at the time when shias are killed????

Why wahabi terrorist altaf and his step sister jamat islami never say clearly that this is wahabis who are killing both sunnis and shias????

Why wahabi terrorist altaf and his step sister jamat islami never say clearly that this is wahabis, who produce taliban????

When they order shias to not go on violence in revenge of killings,

They actually but clearly try to hide the crimes of wahabis,

They actually but clearly try to protect criminal wahabis,

They actually but clearly try to safeguard killings of shias by the hands of wahabi killers,

What sectarian violence????

Sectarian violence means when two group clash with each other,

While here in Pakistan, this is one sided killings of both shias and sunnis,

While in Pakistan, this is one sided massacre of both shias and sunnis,

What sectarian violence???

Wahabis are killing both sunnis and shias,

Wahabis are eliminating both sunnis and shias,

What sectarian violence????

Wahabis are the only killers in Pakistan and in Karachi,

Wahabis are the only Taliban in Pakistan and in Karachi,

Wahabis are the only terrorists in Pakistan and in Karachi,

What sectarian violence???

This is one sided killing of shias and sunnis in Karachi and in other parts of Pakistan,

Why wahabi ‘shia lover’ altaf can not see it????

Why wahabi jamat islami can not see it????

Do they need more shia dead bodies to understand it????

They all understand clearly,

They are not babies,

They are not children,

They know all that but they deny it by repeating:

“sectarian violence…sectarian violence…sectarian violence”

They do it deliberately,

They are the ugliest enemy of shias,

Some times, they fabricate events to push shias to clash with balochis,

Some times, they fabricate events to push shias to clash with sindhis,

Some times, they fabricate events to push shias to clash with pashtoons,

Some times, they fabricate events to push shias to clash with sunni mahajirs,

Some times, they fabricate events to push shias to clash with panjabis,

They want to hurt shias from all possible ways,

They want to break shia unity from all possible ways,

They want to humiliate shias from all possible ways,

They want to isolate shias in pieces for their personal political benefits,

They want to divide shias on ethnic and linguistic basis to keep their cheap political chair safe,

They are the worst enemy of shias,

They are the ugliest enemy of shias,

That’s why, both wahabi mqm and jamat islami always parroting: “sectarian violence” on every event of shias killings,

They are the protectors of wahabi killers,

They are coordinating shias killings,

They are facilitating shias killings,

That’s why both wahabi mqm and jamat islami chant “sectarian violence” on every event of shias killings,

Killers,

Murderers,

Terrorists.

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