Jump to content
In the Name of God بسم الله

Khufu : Firaun Of The Holy Qur'an

Rate this topic


Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)
Aleikumessalam,

Some searchers say the exudos was from Assuis gulf and others say was in al aqaba gulf .

Salam.

Here are excerpts from an article from Dr. Hawass' Plateau Website entitled :

The Three Secret Doors and the Magician Djedi

By Zahi Hawass

I never thought we would find anything behind the door discovered 64 metres inside the south shaft of the Great Pyramid in 1993 by Rudolf Gantenbrink. I said nothing would be discovered behind this door: I believed it was only a block with nothing behind it. But when we used the ultrasonic equipment and learnt that the thickness of the door was only 6cm, I said that this was a surprise and there must be something there.

would like to suggest that these doors hide Khufu's real burial chamber, and the bending in the north shaft was there to avoid the Grand Gallery. This means that the two shafts were carved after the construction of the Great Pyramid. We know the ancient Egyptians tried very hard to hide the tombs by blocking the burial chambers with huge blocks or making the Pyramid entrance so narrow that no one could enter. They also wrote curse inscriptions to try to stop anyone who wanted to enter and disturb the tombs of the Pharaohs.

About 900 years after the reign of Khufu we have a story called "Khufu and the Magician". It tells the story of how Khufu brought the magician Djedi to ask him about the secret documents of the god Thoth, the god of wisdom, so he could design his Pyramid. Djedi knew everything about the secret chambers of Thoth, but he did not reveal the secret. I therefore believe that the burial chambers were hidden behind these doors.

If we look at the copper handles of the two doors we see that the handles are similar to the handles on the canopic jars of Tutankhamun, and the ancient Egyptians used to tie rope to these handles to pull the jars. It seems that the architect then hid the burial chamber of the Pharaoh. He sealed it with these doors and closed the shaft completely so no one could see or know anything. The mystery of the Great Pyramid started then, and this year, 2002, is the beginning of revealing this mystery.

-----------------

Judging from this Hawass article excerpt, I wonder if part of Dr. Hawass' opposition to Gilles Dormion and his proposal to penetrate below the Queen's Chamber of the Great Giza Pyramid of Khufu is that maybe Dr. Hawass wants to be the one to discover Khufu's possible yet undiscovered hidden burial chamber ...

It is understandable if this is so ...

Inshallah, whomsoever actually ends up possibly discovering Khufu's undiscovered burial chamber, I wonder what their reaction will be if Khufu does turn out to be the Firawn of the Holy Qur'an and the Pharaoh of the Exodus ?

Only Allah Ta'ala knows ...

Wa Salam.

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
I always taught that Firaun of Quran was Ramses II, anyways...this ^ could be true...

Maybe that's why they aligned the pyramids with the stars...to ascend and see God better...Lol :lol: ...Astaghfirullah...

Salam.

These article excerpts from Alan Winston on Khufu's Pyramid are part of my theoretical explanation of the Qur'anic verses in which Allah Ta'ala relates how Firawn[Khufu] ordered Haman[Hemiunu] to build him a lofty tower so he could "obtain knowledge of Musa's God...And deem Musa a liar." :

Certainly unclear in significance, but today one of the primary focuses of continuing investigation in the Pyramid's internal structure, are the two narrow shafts, averaging about twenty by twenty centimeters, that begin in the north and south walls of the chamber and climb steeply upwards. These shafts are not entirely straight, as some might believe. For example the north shaft in the Queen's Chamber bends after about seventeen meters. Some experts think that these are ventilation shafts, while others would see an astronomical function. The north shaft is aligned with the the circumpolar stars Minoris, Ursa and Beta, while the south shaft is aligned with Sirius. Still other people think they may have served some unknown religious purpose.

These objects, along with the robots' discoveries prompted Stadelmann, who was head of the German Archaeological Institute at the time of the Robot exploration, to conclude that the shafts were in fact model corridors, through which the king's soul could rise to the "stars that never are extinguished", that is, the circumpolar stars in the northern sky as well as the "land of light" in the southern sky". In other words, he reasoned that the shafts were built for the dead king's journey up to heaven.

Of course, various questions remain. Other pyramids lack these shafts, and moreover, the use of false doors, believed to allow the deceased access to his or her offerings, needed not have physical openings. Also, why do the shafts exist in both the Queen's and King's chambers?

Nevertheless, this still does not explain the function of the shafts. It would seem that the most popular theory among scholars has been that they did indeed serve some sort of ventilation function, but this view seems to be changing.

It should also be noted that the dominate winds were from the North, so the alignment of the shafts, while pointing to certain stars in the northern and southern hemisphere, was not unusual in itself. They could have played both a practical and a religious aspect, but their existence in only this pyramid seems to perhaps be their dominant function, since it is also the only such structure where the burial chamber is located above the entrance. Again, however, Egyptologists seem to be moving away from the ventilation theory in favor of a more symbolic role for these shafts.

----------------

It is among the "stars that never are extinguished" where Firawn Khufu was possibly searching for Musa's God...

Also, Khaf-Ra's original name was Khaf-Khufu...Further proof that Khufu had indeed deified himself. My theory is that Khufu did not appoint himself Ra because Ra had a designated function as Sun God. The Sun had to rise and set daily and that was Ra's function. Ra was also depicted as a hybrid : A falcon's head upon an anthropomorphic body. Khufu deified himself by putting his own head upon the body of seated lion : The Sphinx. After Khufu lost to Musa's invisible God, his claim of deification became questionable...And his mortality became apparent.

And since Khufu had shutdown the temples of other deitites, after his drowning, a compromise was reached by Khufu's successor Djedef and the powerful Temple of Ra Priesthood. Djedef thus took upon himself the title of Son of Ra...Djedef-Ra. I theorize that Khufu had proclaimed himself a younger brother of Ra-the Sun God...Not Ra himself.

Wa Salam.

Edited by Al-Afza
  • 1 month later...
Posted (edited)
Khfu , Khafra3 ,Manqara3 ,Ramsis II Quran didnt concern about names .

Salam.

In this piece, there is an interesting mention of a German Egyptologist [name not mentioned for some reason] who had also theorized that the Sphinx was built by Khufu :

A carved image of Khufu's head upon the body of a seated lion. The Sphinx was thought of as once having a beard which somehow broke off...

However, in the documentary THE LOST PYRAMID of Djedef-Ra at Abu Rawash, it was newly theorized that Khufu has no representation with a beard and that the Sphinx NEVER HAD A BEARD CARVED...

http://guardians.net/egypt/sphinx/index.html

My theory has Khufu carving out the Sphinx as a self-deification rite BEFORE he ordered Haman [Heminiu] to build the Great Pyramid.

I have provided some snapshots of the Firawn Khufu [The Pharaoh of the Oppression and the Exodus] and his landmark self-deification rite in the Sphinx...

In viewing these photos of Khufu's face, there is no indication that a beard had been carved upon it which later broke off...

post-25505-1223508085.jpg

post-25505-1223508101.jpg

post-25505-1223508118.jpg

post-25505-1223508127.jpg

post-25505-1223508138.jpg

post-25505-1223508154.jpg

post-25505-1223508165.jpg

post-25505-1223508179_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1223508208.jpg

post-25505-1223508229.jpg

post-25505-1223508529_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1223508640_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1223508680.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
  • Advanced Member
Posted

It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

ÃóÈÇ Çáåóæúáö¡ ØÇáó Úáíßó ÇáÚõÕõÑú *** æÈõáøöÛúÊó Ýí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÃóÞÕÜì ÇáÚõãõÑú

ÝíÇ áöÏÉó ÇáÏøóåÑ¡ áÇ ÇáÏøåÑõ ÔóÈøó *** æáÇ ÃóäÊ ÌÇæÒÊó ÍÏ ÇáÕøöÛóÜÜÜÑ

ÅöáÇãó ÑßæÈõßó ãÊäó ÇáÑã *** áö áöØíøö ÇáÃóÕíá æóÌóæúÈö ÇáÓÍÜÑ¿

ÊõÓÇÝÑ ãäÊÞáÇð Ýí ÇáÞÜÜÜÑæ *** äö¡ ÝÃóíÇä ÊõáÞí ÛõÈÇÑó ÇáÓÝÜÜÑ¿

ÃóÈíäßó ÚóåÏñ æÈíä ÇáÌÈ *** ¡ ÊÒæáÇä Ýí ÇáãæÚÏ ÇáãäÊÙÜÑ¿

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Posted (edited)
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam..

After a 6-month search through internet websites, I finally came across some writings that actually SPECULATE on the probability that KHUFU could have been Firawn !

---------------------

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haman_(Islam)"

Removed. It also should be pointed that Khufu (whose name is often associated with The Great pyramid, thoguh some believes that he only merely retrofited The Great Pyramid instead of building it) had Hemiunu (another name that is also often associated with The Great Pyramid) as his vizier and royal seal bearer. If Khufu was Firaun, then it would mean that Moses and the descendants of Israel exodus would have took place somewhere during ancient Egypt's Old Kingdom era (somewhere in the middle of the third millenium B.C. / 25XX~ B.C.), around one and a half thousand years earlier than the current Ussher-ian dating. If someone wants to suggest that Hemiunu is Haman, let it come from an authority of heiryglyphics. Also note that Hemiunu is 1000 years younger than Haman!

----------------------

Here is another weblink regarding the subject, but this one does not speculate about Khufu possibly being Firawn...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firaun

Conclusion : the Wikipedia article, a debate about the Qur'anic Haman being the same person as Hemiunu (Hemon) ONLY SPECULATES an alternative that IF KHUFU was Firawn than the Exodus story would have occured 1500 years earlier. But it does not make a definitive claim that Khufu WAS the Pharaoh of the Exodus !

My COPYRIGHTED THEORY still stands and holds its legal grounds...And Wallahi, I came to this conclusion many months ago on my own...Before I found this article that actually even implied the speculation that Khufu was Firawn !

So far, I have not found a similar implication ANYWHERE else...Not from any articles or books by Egyptologists, historians or archaeologists...

I was excited that I actually found some material that even bothered to speculate that Khufu might have been Firawn !

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

�� ������� ���� *** ���� � ���� ��� ���� �� ��� ���� ���* � ����� ���������� ��� *** ��� ���������

��� ��� � ���� *** � �� �� ��� ���ѿ

��� �� ��� *** � ������ ���ѿ

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam.

It is now regarded that the Sphinx's nose was vandalised by WWI Turkish soldiers...Not Bonaparte's troops...

Anyway, some key points of mine :

--Khufu changed his name from Khnum-Khuf-wey [Khnum Protects Me] to Khufu or Protector, after his self-deification.

--Khufu's crown prince Kawab[Kauab] died during Khufu's lifetime...Most probably due to the last of the Nine Ayats from Allah (swt) : Widespread death from the plague ...

--Khufu's Queen Merityotes[Meritites] WAS most probably the Firawn's Wife mentioned by Allah Ta'ala in the Holy Qur'an. Not the later queen Henutsen[Khnutsen]. Queen Merityotes was most likely 'Asiya bint Muzahem' of the Quranic scholars. How Quranic scholars came up with the name 'Asiya bint Muzahem' is a mystery, since Allah Ta'ala NEVER ONCE mentions the actual name of Firawn's Wife in the Holy Qur'an ! Queen Merityotes was the one most likely to have found and raised Nabih Musa (as) ...

--Neither the Torah nor the Bible mention of the theme of Pharaoh declaring himself the current Living God of Egypt. Nor do they mention Haman[Hemiunu] and him being ordered to build a 'tower to view Musa's God to obtain knowledge of Him and deem Musa a liar'... The Judeo-Christian theme only focuses on BONDAGE of the Israelites or Jews...

--The Qur'an NEVER directly refers to the Bani Israil as JEWS...

--The 'lofty tower' to be built by Haman IS the Great Pyramid of Giza. A royal palace and temple. Not just a funerary monument for Khufu.

--That Khufu ordered the Sphinx to be carved as a self-deification rite BEFORE he ordered Haman to build the Great Pyramid of Giza.

--That Khufu was not only the very first Egyptian Pharaoh to deify himself but most likely the world's first ruler to do so...And it was all his own idea, not fed to him by anyone.

--That all Egyptian Rulers before Khufu were high priest-kings and not 'living gods' or even demi-gods...After Khufu, starting with his immediate successor Djedef-Ra, all subsequent Egyptian Pharaohs were DEMI-GODS [ Half-Gods; Half-Men] : The sons of the gods [eg. "Son of Ra" or "Son of Horus"] ...

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam.

Far more profound than this poetry are the ayats from the Holy Qur'an about Nabih Musa (as) , Nabih Harun (as) and Pharaoh Khufu [The Lord of Spikes]...

Two points I forgot to cover :

--That from the Quranic ayahs, it is possible that Nabih Musa (as) may have suffered from a minor speech impediment...Possibly caused by a partial paralysis of a facial nerve...

On two separate occasions, Allah Taala relates about Nabih Musa's kalam or speech pattern...

One occasion has Nabih Musa (as) beseeching Allah Taala to give him an aider from his family...Namely, Nabih Harun (as) . Because Nabih Harun was eloquent in speech...

The other occasion has Firawn Khufu admonishing his subjects to not pay any attention to Nabih Musa as he is a man who is garbled in speech...

This is of course, pure speculation but if somehow when Allah Taala's account of the Exodus of the Bani Israil is ever CONFIRMED ARCHAEOLOGICALLY or SCIENTIFICALLY, than this could be a crucial bit of detail...Who but the Almighty would know this subtle secret of Nabih Musa (as) ??

--Point two is that if, Inshallah, Khufu's undisturbed tomb is found intact in the future, than we must anticipate that at least a couple of the tomb inscriptions would be VERBATIM to at least a couple of the ayahs in the Holy Qur'an about the whole Bani Israil-Firawn affair...This would be the other undisputable evidence that the Holy Qur'an IS THE UNALTERED WORD OF ALMIGHTY Allah (swt) ... !

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam.

Here is a weblink of an article of the Judeo-Christian chronology of the Exodus Pharaoh :

http://www.biblewitness.org/pharaoh.htm

The Judeo-Christian accounts have Nabih Harun [Aaron] 3-years OLDER than Nabih Musa [Moses]...This makes little sense since traditionally the Pharaoh of the Oppression ordered that the FIRSTBORN male of the Hebrews must die...This would mean that Nabih Harun (as) should have been the one cast into the Nile [Nil] River, NOT Nabih Musa (as) !

The Quranic narratives clearly imply that Nabih Musa (as) was OLDER than Nabih Harun (as)....

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

ÃóÈÇ Çáåóæúáö¡ ØÇáó Úáíßó ÇáÚõÕõÑú *** æÈõáøöÛúÊó Ýí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÃóÞÕÜì ÇáÚõãõÑú

ÝíÇ áöÏÉó ÇáÏøóåÑ¡ áÇ ÇáÏøåÑõ ÔóÈøó *** æáÇ ÃóäÊ ÌÇæÒÊó ÍÏ ÇáÕøöÛóÜÜÜÑ

ÅöáÇãó ÑßæÈõßó ãÊäó ÇáÑã *** áö áöØíøö ÇáÃóÕíá æóÌóæúÈö ÇáÓÍÜÑ¿

ÊõÓÇÝÑ ãäÊÞáÇð Ýí ÇáÞÜÜÜÑæ *** äö¡ ÝÃóíÇä ÊõáÞí ÛõÈÇÑó ÇáÓÝÜÜÑ¿

ÃóÈíäßó ÚóåÏñ æÈíä ÇáÌÈ *** ¡ ÊÒæáÇä Ýí ÇáãæÚÏ ÇáãäÊÙÜÑ¿

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam.

A gallery of images of Pharaoh Khufu from recently discovered statues of his...He is never shown with a BEARD...

post-25505-1224180073_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224180097_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224180113.jpg

post-25505-1224180127.jpg

post-25505-1224180152.jpg

post-25505-1224180163.jpg

post-25505-1224180178.jpg

post-25505-1224180194.jpg

post-25505-1224180261.jpg

post-25505-1224180277_thumb.jpg

Posted (edited)
It was said that guns of Napolion brok off his nose and beard .

Ahmad shawqi ( prince of poets ) has described ( Abu lhol ) sphinx in one of his poetries :

ÃóÈÇ Çáåóæúáö¡ ØÇáó Úáíßó ÇáÚõÕõÑú *** æÈõáøöÛúÊó Ýí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÃóÞÕÜì ÇáÚõãõÑú

ÝíÇ áöÏÉó ÇáÏøóåÑ¡ áÇ ÇáÏøåÑõ ÔóÈøó *** æáÇ ÃóäÊ ÌÇæÒÊó ÍÏ ÇáÕøöÛóÜÜÜÑ

ÅöáÇãó ÑßæÈõßó ãÊäó ÇáÑã *** áö áöØíøö ÇáÃóÕíá æóÌóæúÈö ÇáÓÍÜÑ¿

ÊõÓÇÝÑ ãäÊÞáÇð Ýí ÇáÞÜÜÜÑæ *** äö¡ ÝÃóíÇä ÊõáÞí ÛõÈÇÑó ÇáÓÝÜÜÑ¿

ÃóÈíäßó ÚóåÏñ æÈíä ÇáÌÈ *** ¡ ÊÒæáÇä Ýí ÇáãæÚÏ ÇáãäÊÙÜÑ¿

The last one says : Is there a promise between you and the mountains ***** remove in expected date ?

Salam.

The German Egyptologist who has come up with the theory that the Sphinx was carved out by Khufu instead of his sons Khaf-Ra or Djedef-Ra is RAINER STADELMANN.

---Khufu's Great Pyramid is properly called AKHET KHUFU or The Horizon of Khufu ...

---Khufu's self-image of the The Sphinx is properly called SESHEPANKH [sphinx] or "Living Image" ...

post-25505-1224195405_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224195443.jpg

post-25505-1224195461_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224195482.jpg

post-25505-1224195508_thumb.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
  • Advanced Member
Posted

Alaikassalam,

So the beard was not a model yet in Khufu's time ! but what is the point if he has or put a beard or not ?

What about his wife ! her name was not mentioned in Quran but we name her Asia ?

What about ( nefertiti ) or ( nefertari ) Ramsis wife ?

Posted (edited)
Alaikassalam,

So the beard was not a model yet in Khufu's time ! but what is the point if he has or put a beard or not ?

What about his wife ! her name was not mentioned in Quran but we name her Asia ?

What about ( nefertiti ) or ( nefertari ) Ramsis wife ?

Salam.

The point of the beard is for positive identification of the image of the Seshep-Ankh [sphinx] or Living Image...Djedef-Ra and Khaf-Ra have for the most part been depicted as having beards...Their father Khufu, on the other hand, has not.

Who is the "we" that actually named Firawn's Wife "Asiya binte Muzahem" ?

Since Ramses II was NOT Firawn of the Exodus, his queen Nefer-tari is irrelevant.

As for Nefer-titi, she was Akhen-aten's [Amun-hotep IV] queen ... Akhen-aten was ALSO NOT the Firawn of the Exodus ...

The TWO most famous landmarks synonymous with Ancient Egypt : The Great Giza Pyramid [Akhet Khufu or Horizon of Khufu] and The Sphinx [seshep-Ankh or Living Image] are directly associated with the Firawn of the Holy Qur'an [The Pharaoh of both The Oppression and The Exodus] ... !

The Great Pyramid is the ONLY surviving member of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and was the tallest building on earth for 4000 years.

The Sphinx is still regarded as the most famous statue in the world.

Below : The Akhet Khufu [Horizon of Khufu] or Great Pyramid; The Seshep-Ankh [Living Image] or Sphinx of Khufu; Firawn Khufu [Pharaoh Cheops]; Grand Vizier Haman [Hemiunu] ...

post-25505-1224220246_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224220276_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224220319_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224220340.jpg

post-25505-1224220362.jpg

post-25505-1224220378_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1224220419.jpg

post-25505-1224220455.jpg

post-25505-1224220471.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
  • Advanced Member
Posted

Aleikassalam,

Who is the "we" that actually named Firawn's Wife "Asiya binte Muzahem" ?

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Posted (edited)
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

Khufu was said to have two additional royal spouses whose names have not been properly recorded...This deduction came from Egyptologists who hypothsize that Khufu's 9 sons and 15 daughters could not have come from his 2 identified queens : Merit-yotes or Henutsen.

Merityotes was Khufu's main queen.

I still would like to trace the origins of how the name Asiya binte Muzahem came about ?

How do you "translate" a Hieratic [Ancient Musri] name into Arabic ? It could be corrupted or adapted into Arabic, possibly but not translated...

Then again, Asiya would have to be part of a lengthy titlular name maybe...

Then that leaves us with "Muzahem" ... Who was he ? And is that an ancient Egyptian name ? Just as in the story of Nabih Yusuf (as), neither does Allah Ta'ala call the Aziz by Potiphar[aka Potipherah], nor his wife by Zuleikha...These are Judeo-Christian traditions. In the early medieval Jewish Elohist and Yahwist traditions, Potiphar's wife is not named. In later medieval Jewish [i.e. The Midrash] and Persian traditions, she is named Zuleikha.

However, Allah Ta'ala does name Hemon [Hemiunu] when quoting Firawn Khufu's decree ["..Ya Hamanu or O Haman.." etc..]

As for Hemon [Haman], his official tomb is near to Khufu's Great Pyramid and has reliefs of his image and some dates in reference to Khufu's reign. However, no body of this Haman or Hemiunu has ever been found. Haman was the son of previous Grand Vizier Prince Nefer-maat and Princess Atet; Haman was said to be either or both cousin and nephew to Khufu. There is a very strong possibility that Haman was never buried in his intended mausoleum. According to the Qur'an, Haman accompanied Khufu in the pursuit of the Bani Israil and drowned along with the Egyptian armed fleet.

When Haman's tomb was discovered and opened, nothing but a chest was found with scrolls that were idenitified as Hemiuniu's diaries. No sarcophagus or corpse of Hemiunu or Haman HIMSELF !

Here is an excerpt from Haman's diaries :

Hemiunu�s diaries are a most fortuitous discovery. Happily, he

was an obsessive diarist, sketcher and artist. There is, however,

much work yet to be done, both in deciphering them, and � once

deciphered � understanding what Hemiunu was portraying,

recording and conjecturing. His diaries cover so many different

aspects of life in the 4th Dynasty of the Old Kingdom � at least, the

life of a privileged member of the aristocracy.

The Old Kingdom of ancient Egypt was, perhaps, the first, and

perhaps, therefore, archetypal society in recorded history. Modern

scholars, who look back on this period as the Golden Age, may find

that the trials and tribulations experienced by such an eminent man as

Hemiunu speak more of a life balanced on a knife-edge. One wrong

foot, and the king�s wrath would have been swift and terrible. There

are also hints of savage punishment for wrongdoers and foreigners�

-------------

Here is another translated excerpt from Hemiunu's diary :

Hemiunu records a difficult meeting with King Khufu.

Present: The King, Prince Ankhaf, Overseers of the Sides, Counter of

the Sacred Stars, Guardian of the Sacred Numbers, and others. The

Priests of Ra was not present, to Hemiunu�s relief.

Khufu: Why has digging on my burial chamber been halted?

Hemiunu: Several diggers have died in the last three days, and many

are ill, your majesty. The men think there is a curse or an angry god in

the rock, that is killing them.

Khufu: And what do you think, you miserable excuse for a festering

dung heap?

Hemiunu: My lord, I believe that the men are dying because they

cannot breathe, due to the fumes from the torches and the lamps.

Khufu: I will have my chamber. The future of all Egypt depends on

my travelling to my star. And for that, I need my underground

chamber.

Hemiunu: I believe there may be a way forward, my liege, and one

that is in keeping with your being the greatest ever King of Egypt,

with the greatest ever pyramid.

Khufu: This had better be good, you snivelling pustule, or else!

Hemiunu: Your command of invective is indeed superlative, my king.

Truly have you mastered the art of overseeing. I propose to cut an

extra passage through the rock and the masonry from the mouth of the

underground chamber to the junction between the Grand Gallery and

the serdab. Fires will be lit in this new passage, which will suck air

down the entrance passage towards the underground chamber. This

will draw in fresh air and relieve the workers.

Khufu: Will not the smoke from these fires impede the building of

my Grand Gallery and serdab?

Hemiunu: Fires will be needed only while your underground chamber

is being dug out, Sire. And, thereafter, the new passage will serve as

an escape route for those who fill the up passage with plug stones.

Khufu: Hm-m-m. I suppose they really do need to escape, do they

Hemiunu?

Hemiunu: Your great mercy is legendary, my King.

Khufu: �as you may need it to be, you pathetic excuse for a

pregnant camel.

Hemiunu: (quietly, to the king) Not your best effort, sire, not your

best. Snivelling pustule was better.

-----------------------

To view the complete translated document of Haman's diary, here is the following weblink :

http://www.hitchins.net/Books&samplers/HDTaster.pdf

Note that in the table of contents, Haman's diary ends abruptly. And no mention about the conflict with the Bani Israil or Nabih Musa (as) ...

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

I forgot to add that Derek Hitchins is a systems engineer and apparently an AMATEUR Egyptologist...

He is certainly NO recognized figure in either archaeology or Egyptology.

His two published books on Egyptology are :

The Pyramid Builder's Handbook

The Secret Diaries of Hemiunu

His claim of Hemiuniu's "diaries" being found at his tomb in either 1992 or 1994 has not been commented on by world famous Egyptologists such as Zahi Hawass, Mark Lehner, Rainer Stadelmann, Vassil Dobrev, Salima Ikram, etc...

I have yet to still authenticate the existence of these "secret diaries" via my own research and investigation...They could possibly be an author's imagination and a hoax.

If anyone who is following my posts can assist me in this endeavor, I would be gratified...

Below is a weblink to Derek K. Hitchins other book on Egypt :

http://www.hitchins.net/Books%26samplers/PBHTaster.pdf

I do know this, that NO REMAINS of Hemiunu [Hemon] were ever found at his tomb. Nor a sarcophagus... And there is no positive evidence that he was even buried in his intended tomb.

Edited by Al-Afza
  • 2 weeks later...
Posted
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

I had emailed Dr. Salima Ikram and had asked her about Derek K. Hitchins' THE SECRET DIARIES OF HEMIUNU ...

She replied to me that Hitchins' book was "A WORK OF FICTION"...

Thus, I have my answer. No chest was found at Haman's tomb containing his 'secret diaries'. Hitchins' book was a hoax.

Posted (edited)
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

Here are a couple of weblinks by anti-Quranic groups who have found alleged "contradictions" with the Quranic narrative of Firawn and Haman...

They have claimed that the Quranic verses have confused THREE different Biblical traditions in the Story of Esther, The Tower of Babel and The Exodus Story...

What my theory points out is that the 'lofty tower Haman is ordered to build to view Musa's God' IS the Great Pyramid of Giza or Akhet Khufu [Horizon of Khufu] !

http://www.***.org/Quran/Contra/old_pharaoh.html

http://www.***.org/Responses/S...llah/haman2.htm

Note- In the above URL, was the 2nd time I came across Khufu's name in an implied form to be the Pharaoh of the Exodus...

Edited by Al-Afza
  • 2 months later...
Posted
Alaikassalam,

So the beard was not a model yet in Khufu's time ! but what is the point if he has or put a beard or not ?

What about his wife ! her name was not mentioned in Quran but we name her Asia ?

What about ( nefertiti ) or ( nefertari ) Ramsis wife ?

Salam.

Dr. Zahi Hawass finally replied to me...In fact I received two separate responses from him. Alhamdulillah, am gratified. His responses were quite positive and he stated he was looking forward to reading some more material I had emailed him...Didn't have to wait till 2016...

Posted (edited)
Alaikassalam,

So the beard was not a model yet in Khufu's time ! but what is the point if he has or put a beard or not ?

Salam.

The BEARD was a model BEFORE Khufu's time but what makes the Seshep-Ankh [Living Image] or Sphinx unique is that recent examination of its chin indicate that it NEVER had a beard attached to it...What this indicates is that only youthful images of Khufu have survived that depicted him before he was represented with a beard. Khufu's sons Djedef-Ra and Khaf-Ra and even Khufu's grandson Menkau-Ra have always been depicted with BEARDS. This is one of the proofs that the Sphinx or Seshep-Ankh is none other than Khufu's very own personal image...

For comparison, here is the ultra-modern CT scan-assisted 99.99% accurate reconstruction of PHARAOH TUT-ANKH-AMUN'S face (sans beard)...

post-25505-1232461889_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1232461901_thumb.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
  • 1 month later...
  • Advanced Member
Posted

Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Posted (edited)
Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Wa Alaykum Salam.

Surah An-Naba[The Announcement]

78:7-Waaljibala awtadan

Surah Al-Fajr[The Dawn]

89:10-WafirAAawna thee al-awtadi

BRILLIANT bit of decoding or deciphering of the Qur'anic Ayahs...

The mountains are indeed ANALOGOUS as PILLARS or PEGS...

And the pyramids were indeed SYMBOLIC PILLARS or MOUNTAINS of those Old Kingdom Pharaohs of whom KHUFU[Cheops] was the greatest...

The Great Pyramid of Giza [Akhet-Khufu or Horizon of Khufu] was the tallest manmade structure for 4000 years !

It would require some deeper research to find any and all existing written material on Khufu to potentially correspond the translation...

Believe it or not I have kept in touch with Dr. Zahi Hawass by email...He has responded to me 3 times already with interest so I shall ask him this question of YOURS...

Dr. Hawass has been so busy with all these recent discoveries at Saqqara and Giza, that it will be some time before he gives an answer. But he DOES RESPOND.

Inshallah, what I am awaiting is for him to STUMBLE ONTO Khufu's undisturbed tomb...

That will hold all the keys to everything regarding this CRUCIAL subject.

However, I do anticipate a Pharaonic bias on those inscriptions that are traditionally found at Pharaonic tombs...Khufu would be made out to be a hero and our Anbiya Musa and Harun (pbut) would be made as villains.

The tomb reliefs may even depict Khufu and his maritime army victorious over Nabih Musa and the Bani Israil or that Khufu's armed fleet were annihilated in the ensuing battle but Khufu single-handedly destroyed the Bani Israil.

The ONLY thing to contradict such anticipated pro-pharaoh inscriptions would be a thorough, microscopic forensic examination via CT scan of Khufu's corpse...Specifically his lungs to determine if he did DROWN.

I am more than gratified that the world-renowned Dr. Hawass did not dismiss me as some kind of kook with my Quranic identification of Khufu as Pharaoh of the Oppression/Exodus...

Also, what did you think of the images of Firawn's Wife, Queen Merytiotes I ?

I also provided some more images of famous or infamous Ancient Egyptian royalty below...Close up of Khufu; Akhenaten [the only MUWAHIDIN dynastic pharaoh of Egypt];

Akhenaten's son and heir King Tutankhamun, reverted Egypt back to polytheism; Akhenaten's Chief Queen Nefertiti and fellow MONOTHEIST; Haman(Hemiunu); Firawn's Wife, Queen Merytiotes I or Asiya(?), etc...

I will keep you informed of the progress this entire subject matter and your KEEN decoding of the Qur'anic verses...

Wa Huwa alaa kullay shayin qadir !

post-25505-1235410531.jpg

post-25505-1235410540_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1235410551.jpg

post-25505-1235410575.jpg

post-25505-1235410595_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1235410610_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1235410631_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1235410642.gif

post-25505-1235411809_thumb.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

I emailed YOUR observation of the Quranic verses regarding the 'Awtaad' to Dr. Hawass along with some other questions I had for him...I mentioned your username and that you were a correspondent of mine...I hope that was alright with you ?

Also, as I had already stated earlier 'Asiya' certainly is an Egyptian-sounding name like that of names Tuia, Tiya, Kiya, etc...

There is a possibility that 'Asiya' might have some relation to the names of ASET [isis] and ASER [Osiris]. Or that it could be derived from them in some way...

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

In trying to piece together the complex family tree of Queen Merytiotes I [Asiya bint Muzahem?], I have put together the following research & information :

Queen Merytiotes I ("Beloved King's Wife") -

Sister of Firawn Khnum-Khufu [aka Pharaoh Cheops]

Chief Royal Wife & Queen Mother

Sister of Princes Kanufer & Nefermaat I [Elder Full-brothers of Khufu];

Khufu was said to be 3rd in line in accession to the throne of Pharaoh Sneferu's sons;

Kanufer served as a Grand Vizier to Pharaohs Sneferu and his son Khufu;

Nefermaat I's son Hemiunu(Haman) served as Khufu's 2nd Grand Vizier after Kanufer's passing.

Mother of Khufu's following offspring :

Sons

1. Kawab *Crown Prince

2. Djedef [aka Hor-Djedef/Djedef-Hor/Ra-Djedef/Djedef-Ra]

3. Babaef [aka Hor-Baef/Khnum-Baf/Bauaf-Ra]

Daughters

1. Hetepheres II

2. Merytiotes II

3. Meresankh II

----------------------------------

Later, Queen Merytiotes I [Asiya?] was REPLACED by Khufu for some unexplained reason as Chief Royal Wife but retained her title as Queen Mother; Her replacement was Queen Henutsen. I believe Queen Merytiotes I/Asiya was replaced by Khufu due to her CONVERSION to monotheism by her fosterson Nabih Musa(as). There is a possiblility that 'Asiya' could have been Queen Merytiotes I's personal name BUT she certainly was NOT 'Bint Muzahem' as her father was Pharaoh Sneferu.

Khufu's other TWO royal wives were ...

-----------------------------------

Queen Henutsen [aka Khanutsen]

Mother of Khufu's following offspring :

sons

1. Khaf [aka Khaf-Khufu/Khufu-Khaf I/Khaf-Ra/Chephren]

2. Minkhaf

daughter

1. Khamernebty II

------------------------------------

Queen Nefertkau

Mother of Khufu's following offspring :

son

1. Nefermaat II

daughter

1. Neferetiabet

------------------------------------

Once again, I present the stunning portrait of whom I believe to be Nabih Musa's adoptive mother and Firawn's Wife : Queen Merytiotes I [Asiya bint Muzahem?].

post-25505-1235570719.gif

post-25505-1235570729_thumb.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted
Aleikassalam,

My Community and my mother who told me that since I was a child ( Asiah bint Muzahim ) .

I think if we know Khufu's wife name in ( herogliph language ) and translate it to arabic or English ,and it shows us that her name was ( Asia )

so that would asure khufo was Firaun Musa .

Forgive me if my information of egyptiology is low .

Salam.

I might have to re-evaluate the possibility of ASIYA being the PERSONAL NAME of Firawn Khufu's Wife...

After some further research on the subject, I found that in Ancient Musri[Hieratic], the word MER meant BELOVED. For example, Merytamun would mean 'Beloved of Amun' and has been cited as the root for the name 'Maryam' or 'Meryam'...

Khufu's Chief Wife was entitled Merytiotes I [Beloved King's Wife]...There is the possibility 'Asiya' was her personal name. It does have Ancient Egyptian roots as other names such as Tuya [wife of Yuya]; Kiya [mother of Pharaoh Tutankhamun], Tiya [Conspiring wife of Ramses III], etc...

This certainly does not CONFIRM 'Asiya' to be the actual name of Firawn Khufu's Wife but does offer a realistic possibility.

Furthermore, in Surah Maryam [#19], Allah(swt) calls Hazrat Maryam(sa) the "Sister of Harun.."

In Judeo-Christian tradition, Nabih Musa had only one sister [7 years his senior] and only one brother [3 years his senior] : Miryam and Aaron.

Nabih Musa's father is Amram[imran] and biological mother is Jochebed...

In Saracen[Eastern] tradition, Nabih Musa's father is also named Imran. While Nabih Musa's elder sister is named KULTHUM and a younger brother who is named HARUN;

Islamic-Saracen tradition has Nabih Harun as the YOUNGER brother. This clearly makes much more sense and complies with logic in that Firawn ordered all FIRSTBORN Israili slain. Other tradition has that he ordered all NEWBORN to be slain...

As for KUL-THUM, it is a very Egyptian-sounding name and is reportedly rooted to Ancient Egyptian culture.

Nabih Musa's wife was Hazrat Safoora[Zephora] bint Yathrab[Jethro]--Sheikh of Madyan[Midian].

Nabih Isa's maternal uncle was also named 'Harun' while his biological mother was named MARYAM. Shaykh Imran of Nasr[Nazareth] named his only son and daughter HARUN and MARYAM.

As for Haman[Hemiunu] bin Nefermaat I, he was a biological grandson of Pharaoh Sneferu and a biological nephew of Khufu. He was Khufu's 2nd Grand Vizier.

I have presented one of the very rare surviving statues of Queen Merytiotes I [Asiya?], whom I believe was Firawn's Wife and Nabih Musa's adoptive mother. I have also included an artist's impression of Queen Merytiotes I...

post-25505-1235571944_thumb.jpg

post-25505-1235571977.gif

Posted (edited)
Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Salam.

I received a brief reply from Dr. Hawass and he directed me to read his book MOUNTAINS OF THE PHARAOHS...

It occurred to me that the very TITLE of his book "Mountain..." further REINFORCES your observation of the Qur'anic verses about the 'Awtaad'["Pillars"] and their symbolic representation as 'Jibala'["Moutains"]...

Alhamdulillah ! It is gratifying that someone else finally found a verse in the Holy Qur'an that SUPPORTS MY THEORY about Khufu having been the Exodus Pharaoh...After ALL that I have posted on Shiachat since having my theory copyrighted and registered last year with the U.S. Library of Congress...

Inshallah, my next step now is to approach a suitable publisher to publish my theory as a book...

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Salam.

One item I did not stress enough upon is that in the Biblical accounts about the Pharaoh of the Exodus, Pharaoh's FIRSTBORN son dies from the 10th Plague...

In the Holy Qur'an, there are NINE* Ayats or Signs from the Almighty sent upon Egypt of which the 9th sign is the PLAGUE...

No mention of Firawn's FIRSTBORN dying from it...However, it is curious to note that Crown Prince KAWAB, Khufu's FIRSTBORN and heir to the throne DIED BEFORE KHUFU...

Kawab [Kauab] was no adolescent but a middle-aged man who was already married and had offspring at the time of his PREMATURE DEATH.

I am almost certain that Kawab's mother, Queen Merytiotes I [Asiya bint Muzahem?], would have clearly BLAMED KHUFU for their FIRSTBORN SON'S untimely death...For not acquiescing and acknowledging Almighty Allah--the God of Anbiya[Prophets] Musa[Moses] and Harun[Aaron] (pbut).

*In both Islamic Abjad and the derivative Hibri Kabbalah, the number 9 has a special mystical significance : The 100th Name of Almighty Allah[Eloah]--the Isme Azam[Greatest Name]--is comprised of 9 LETTERS in Aramaic/Arabic and Hebrew...It is the NAME by which Anbiya[Prophets] MUSA[Moses]; ILYAS[Elijah]; YESA[Elisha]; and ISA[Jesus] raised the dead. There is an account in the Qur'an in which Nabih Musa had raised a slain one...There is no such account of him doing so in the Bible...As for the number 9, in its numerological value, it is the ONLY one of the Indo-Arabic Numerals that becomes ITSELF whether added or multiplied : For example --

9+9=18 [1+8=9]

18+9=27 [2+7=9]

27+9=36 [3+6=9]

9x2=18 [1+8=9]

9x8=72 [7+2=9]

9x9=81 [8+1=9]

Hence, it is the ONLY Indo-Arabic numeral that does this. It is also the only Indo-Arabic NUMERAL that returns the value of the other number it is added with from its compound digits to its single digit : For example -

9+7=16 [1+6=7]

9+6=15 [1+5=6]

9+5=14 [1+4=5]

I have included an image of Crown Prince Kawab...

post-25505-1236268261_thumb.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Ramses II's mummy was taken back and buried in the Kings valley after being drowned, where it dried up and now shows no signs of drowning, that is IF it doesn't show any sign of drowning. I bet it does.

I consider bible and Quran to be more reliable than you. You are just assuming things.

Excuse me? Are you completely denying a well established story of three religions ?

Ramses II's mummy is a symbol for all the humans beings nowadays. If or when Khufu's mummy is recovered, then we can have a better idea as to who really was the Pharoah of Quran.

Salam.

The logic that in accordance with Allah Taala's Quranic proclamation that He would PRESERVE FIRAWN'S body doesn't mean it HAS TO BE Ramses II simply based on the fact that his mummified corpse was found ...

Remember, that Ramses II's mummy was REDISCOVERED along with a host of other MISSING Pharaohs in the Valley of the Kings necropolis...This included his father Seti I.

Also, how many Egyptian Pharaohs' MUMMIES have been REDISCOVERED in the past 200 years ?

The answer is NUMEROUS...

Are they ALL the Firawn of the Holy Qur'an or Pharaoh of the Exodus based on the fact that their corpses have been PRESERVED to the present day ?

Khufu's mummified corpse may YET BE DISCOVERED in an undisturbed tomb that may CONFIRM my personal theory of him being BOTH the Pharaoh of the Oppression and Exodus...

Inshallah, THAT would be the true sign or ayat from Allah Taala...Only Almighty Allah has knowledge of the seen and unseen...

Wa Huwa alaa kulli shayin qadeer.

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Salam...

Dr. Hawass has publicly stated that the Waseda University of Japan was scheduled to begin the RESTORATION of Khufu's smaller funeral barge in FEB 2009. That boat pit has been UNDISTURBED since it was made in 2566 B.C. ! In one of my emails to Dr. Hawass, I stated that there is the possibility that Khufu's undisturbed tomb could be very near that boat pit. Inshallah, the Waseda technicians might stumble onto it IF it is there at that location ...

Also, for the longest time, the ONLY positively identifiable statue of Khufu was the tiny ivory statuette found by Archaeologist Flinders Petrie. When he found it at first, its HEAD was MISSING. Petrie stopped ALL further digging until the head was found. It is also the TINIEST statue of ALL Ancient Egyptian artifacts found to this very day ! As has already been pointed out by some that it is ironic how the man who ordered the construction of the TALLEST manmade structure on Earth for 4000 years would have left behind as his personal image, the tiniest of statues...This man who was the very first person in recorded history to claim HIMSELF a "Living God".

Allah Ta'ala DOES have a sense of humor. Metaphorically, Khufu's tiny statuette being discovered without its head is another message ... That the Almighty had "Off with his head..." so to speak.

Here is a copy-paste of an Al-Ahram article :

aaw.gif Al-Ahram Weekly Online

27 Sep. - 3 Oct. 2001

Issue No.553Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875

Khufu as god

Egyptian-Japanese archaeologists working in Saqqara have stumbled upon evidence that the builder of the Great Pyramid was revered as a god for up to two millennia after his death, writes
Nevine El-Aref
What is known about Khufu, the builder of the Great Pyramid? Little, in fact, apart from the funerary monument built on the Giza necropolis, and a tiny ivory statue -- now in the Egyptian museum -- found at Abydos.

So last week, when a
cartouche
bearing his name was found inside an unidentified 26th dynasty rock-hewn tomb in north Saqqara, it caused considerable excitement.

"It is a very important discovery which could cast some light on an era in which Khufu was worshipped as a god almost two thousand years after his death," Wasida University mission field director Nozomu Kawai said.

The discovery was totally unexpected. Since the mission started excavations at Saqqara in July 1991, its discoveries have included a chapel of Kahaemwat, the fourth son of Ramses II; a limestone stela of Tutmosis IV; and many relief fragments from the chapel of Menkeper- Re.

"Mud-brick structures belonging to Amenhotep II and Tutmosis IV were also found, as well as other reliefs dating from the 18th dynasty to the Late Period. At first, we thought the site was part of a large New Kingdom necropolis, but now it is clear that here is also an independent cemetery of the 26th dynasty," Kawai said. He described the new find as the "master key" towards an understanding of the deification of Khufu.

The cartouche is a very well-preserved inscription engraved on a clay plaque, representing the base of a partially deteriorated statue of a sphinx, or perhaps the lioness goddess Sekhmet. Khufu's name was preceded by the title "Pharaoh of Upper and Lower Egypt."

"This is the first evidence of Khufu's name being found outside Giza, where the pyramids and the Sphinx are located, proving that the Pharaoh was worshipped further afield and for a long period," Zahi Hawass, director-general of Giza plateau and Bahariya oasis, told
Al-Ahram Weekly
. He said the Old Kingdom Pharaoh's name had also been found on a large number of scarabs. "This clearly indicates that priests of the 26th dynasty (664-625 BC) revived the cult of Khufu during this era," Hawass said.

Other artifacts unearthed in the empty, T-shaped 26th-dynasty tomb included four terra-cotta (burned clay) statues of Sekhmet, the goddess associated with war, in various poses -- three featuring the deity with the body of a woman and the head of a lioness, and the fourth, uniquely, showing the Pharaoh Khufu between her paws. Two terracotta statues of the god Harpocrates -- the Greek version of Horus the Younger -- with his finger on his mouth and wearing the side lock of youth were also among the items found.

"The strangest, and most unique discovery is the statue of a man with both hands placed to his head," Kawai said: "We are trying to figure out its significance."

Frustrating though it may be, the Japanese mission will have to wait until the next archaeological season in July 2002 to resume excavations. Meanwhile, the walls of the tomb will be reinforced, the ceiling consolidated and all fragments of statues conserved.

This is the second time this year that Khufu's name has been in the limelight. Early in 2001 Hawass, in collaboration with the American archaeologist Mark Lehner, restudied the Turin papyrus, the earliest King List, which recorded the names of Egypt's most important Pharaohs, the duration of their rule and major events which took place during their reigns. It was first studied by the Italian Egyptologist Drovetti, and Hawass has now come up with a new hypothesis, some 63 years after the papyrus was first studied.

"Khufu reigned longer than we had earlier thought," Hawass commented. "He was believed to have ruled for 23 years, but that would surely not have been long enough to raise such a monument as the Great Pyramid of Giza.

"Ancient Egyptians recorded the duration of the reigns of their Pharaohs based on the bi-annual cattle count," Hawass said. "When the papyrus was first transcribed by philologists A. H. Gardiner and Jaroslav Cerny in 1938, they did not take this into account."

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Thank you for your efforts akh Al afza ,

Here is averse support what you said that Khufu is Sahib Musa :

[shakir 89:10] And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,

[Yusufali 89:10] And with Pharaoh, lord of stakes?

[Pickthal 89:10] And with Pharaoh, firm of might,

In arabic : Wa Firaun thu al awtaad . Awtaad is plural of watad which is a nail or stick to install the tent .

In other verse Allah (swt) describe mountains as AWTAAD :

[shakir 78:7] And the mountains as projections (thereon)?

[Yusufali 78:7] And the mountains as pegs?

[Pickthal 78:7] And the high hills bulwarks?

The tent without around four awtaad it would fall down because the column in the middle is not enough . So the mountains are awtaad to support the earth and awtaad of Pharoah is expression of pyramids for they still stand up like the mountains .

The question is : how can we translate THUL AWTAAD (LORD OF BEGS ) to hirogliph language and then to arabic / english ?

Salam.

Some observations ...

The Arabic word AWTAAD has been translated into English as meaning : Bulwark(s); Peg(s); Projection(s); Spike(s); Stake(s).

And in the Holy Qur'an, the JIBALA[Mountains] have been called AWTAAD or "Stakes"...

Dr. Zahi Hawass and other Egyptologists have metaphorically called the Pharaonic PYRAMIDS "Mountains"...

The Koranic Title of the Pharaoh of the Oppression & Exodus is FIRAWN AL-AWTAAD[Great Host Of The Stakes]...

The Hellenic PHARAOH is adapted from the Musri[Hieratic] PER-AAHA=Great Host which is a direct derivative of PER-AAH=Great House; Dr. Hawass and other Native Egyptian archaeologists pronounce it "Ber-aaha" because the Arabic language has no "P" letter or sound and instead substitutes either the "B" letter and sound OR the "F" letter or sound.

The PER-AAH[Great House] was BOTH the Royal Palace & Temple of the PER-AAHA[Great Host].

In the English language, the following words are etymologically related : House; Hostel; Hospital; Host; Hostess; Hospitality; Hospitable.

Also, scholars have in the past identified the Apiru or Hapiru people as the HEBREWS, recent research and discovery has pointed to the APIRU as quite possibly the indigenous people of North Africa : THE BERBERS.

------------------------------------------------------

Some points from the Old Testament's 2nd Book : The Exodus [Total 40 Chapters] --

2:1

And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.

[in this verse and the immediately following verses, the actual names of Nabih Musa's parents are NOT mentioned.]

2:4

And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him.

[in this verse and the immediately following verses, the name of Nabih Musa's sister is also NOT mentioned.]

2:5

And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it.

[in this verse, it is clearly the PHARAOH'S DAUGHTER and not WIFE who finds Nabih Musa(as); technically, the Pharaoh's Wife(Queen Merytiotes I) was a DAUGHTER of the previous Pharaoh : Snefru.]

12:37

And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

[in this verse, the Israelites[Bani Israil] number 600,000. And this INCREDIBLE number is only men and children, women have not been included. This astronomic figure was probably the ENTIRE population of Egypt at that time, let alone a minority group ! In the Holy Qur'an, Allah Taala clearly states that the emigrating Israelite tribe were a smaller number compared to Firawn's pursuing hosts.]

14:7

And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them.

[This verse refers to Pharaoh and his chariots; even though some prehistoric clay figurines of EQUIDS have been found in Egypt, horses were not domesticated in Egypt until the Middle Kingdom Period. Also, how many Egyptian chariots total would it have taken to subdue 600,000 Israelite men and children? ]

15:19

For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.

[in this verse, it is quite clear that Pharaoh HIMSELF also drowned along with his forces. Also, these verses state both "chariots" and "horsemen" as separate entities. Even upto the 21st Dynasty, Native Egyptians WEREN'T horseback riders; There is a distinction between CHARIOTEERS and HORSEMEN.]

15:20

And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

[in this verse, Nabih Musa's elder sister is first mentioned by name and called a "prophetess". There were NO "prophetesses" in the Holy Qur'an itself nor in any Quranic literature. Nabih Musa's elder sister's name along with every other human female that is also REFERENCED in the Qur'an, NONE are mentioned by their actual names--EXCEPT Hazrat Maryam bint Imran(sa). Middle Eastern tradition gives Nabih Musa's elder sister, the Egyptian-originated name of 'Kul-thum'.]

----------------------------------------------

I have included the images of the people which MY COPYRIGHTED THEORY upholds were the following :

Firawn's Wife = Queen Merytiotes I

post-25505-1237325128.gifpost-25505-1237325117_thumb.jpg

Firawn = Pharaoh Khufu

post-25505-1237325149.jpgpost-25505-1237325139.jpg

Haman = Grand Vizier Hemiunu(Hemon)

post-25505-1237325160.jpg

Pharaoh's Firstborn Who Died Prematurely = Crown Prince Khawab(Kawab/Kauab/Kewab) post-25505-1237325169.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza
  • Advanced Member
Posted

Alaikassalam,

The Arabic word AWTAAD has been translated into English as meaning : Bulwark(s); Peg(s); Projection(s); Spike(s); Stake(s).

And in the Holy Qur'an, the JIBALA[Mountains] have been called AWTAAD or "Stakes"...

Dr. Zahi Hawass and other Egyptologists have metaphorically called the Pharaonic PYRAMIDS "Mountains"...

As you know that Al watad in form ( not metaphorically ) is close to Al mesellah and not Al haram (pyramid ) . This is maybe another problem if Allah ment THUL AWTAD in form ,we would see that Khufo didn't build so many Mesellat like Ramsis II who built around thirty five Mesellah .

What do you think ?

Posted (edited)
Alaikassalam,

As you know that Al watad in form ( not metaphorically ) is close to Al mesellah and not Al haram (pyramid ) . This is maybe another problem if Allah ment THUL AWTAD in form ,we would see that Khufo didn't build so many Mesellat like Ramsis II who built around thirty five Mesellah .

What do you think ?

Salam.

Ramses II is OUT of the question simply because as pointed out way earlier in this lengthy thread, HE DIDN'T DROWN. Forensic examination clearly ruled that out.

Its true Ramses II[commoner by descent] was the greatest builder of Pharaonic history but he built a wide variety of things : From an entire city like Pi-Ramesse, to royal palatial retreats, temples, halls, fortresses, etc.

However, what Pharaoh Khufu had carved and built, The Sphinx[seshep-Ankh] and The Great Pyramid of Giza, are SYNONYMOUS with Ancient Egypt...The TWO most famous of all Ancient Egyptian landmarks.

As for the Akhet-Khufu[Horizon of Khufu] or The Great Pyramid, it is the ONLY surviving member of The Seven Wonders Of The Ancient World. Arguably, it is the most famous monument in world history based on the simple fact of how long it has lasted. And it was also the tallest manmade structure on Earth for 4000 years...

Remember that Firawn decreed Haman 'to build him a tower in which he could view Musa's God in order to obtain knowledge of Him and deem [Nabih] Musa a liar!'

No such tower was built by Ramses II. However, The Great Pyramid at Giza of Khufu qualifies as such a tower. In the documentary EGYPT DECODED, the astonomical/astrological purpose of the Great Pyramid is covered at length.

Also, as related in the Holy Qur'an, Firawn says to Nabih Musa(as) that he[Pharaoh] is the only God he knows...recognizing no other God. And it has been established that Khufu was not only the very 1st Pharaoh to DEIFY himself but the world's very first ruler to do so...

The Qur'anic theme is NOT JUST the persecution of the Bani Israil and their oppression and bondage but the theme of a megalomaniacal, cruel and corrupt mortal declaring himself GOD.

That was Firawn's most grievous transgression, that he declared himself GOD. This would certainly bring down the wrath of the Almighty wouldn't you think ?

This main theme of SELF-DEIFICATION is ABSENT from the Book of Exodus in the Old Testament. Not so in the Holy Qur'an...

Also, Watad=Bulwark; Peg; Stake[singular]... Awtaad=Bulwarks; Pegs; Stakes[plural]...

And also when Awtaad is applied SINGULARLY, it means "Great Bulwark"; "Great Peg"; "Great Stake"...That GREAT BULWARK or GREAT PEG could very well be The Great Pyramid of Giza[Akhet-Khufu=Horizon of Khufu]. That would translate 'Firawna Zul-Awtaad' as "Great Host Of The Great Stake"...

The English dictionary definition of PEG : a projecting piece used as a support or boundary marker.

Allah Taala calls the Al-Jibala[The Mountains] AWTAADA or Pegs/Stakes.

Historians and scholars for millennia have metaphorically referred to the Egyptian Pyramids as MOUNTAINS...

Allah Taala calls Firawn[Pharaoh] ZUL-AWTAAD or Of The Great Stake...

Think about it.

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Salam Al afza,

I am sorry , it was just a thought passed in my mind .

Salam.

Sorry for what ?

Allah Taala has invited us all to "meditate upon the Qur'an..."

You should be complimented for opening a new window into this great historical mystery that has intrigued scholars down the ages of the THREE great monotheist religions of the world--Islam, Judaism and Christianity :

WHO WAS THE PHARAOH OF THE OPPRESSION & EXODUS ???

Your query just prompted me to not only further PINPOINT Khufu as the strongest possible candidate as THAT PHARAOH but to make an almost positive identification with the Quranic verse :

Wa Firawna Dhu al-Awtaad [Great Host Of The Great Bulwark]

Firawn=Great Host[i.e.Pharaoh Khufu] + Awtaad=Great Bulwark[i.e.The Great Pyramid Of Giza]

Even AWTAAD[Bulwarks; Pegs; Stakes] as Plural would not accurately DESCRIBE all the various, wide-ranging monuments Ramses II built...Whether in form or as metaphor...Ramses II's monuments were far too varied.

AWTAAD is too specific and can only be symbolically linked to the PYRAMIDS or the like in its Qur'anic context.

Edited by Al-Afza
Posted (edited)
Salam Al afza,

I am sorry , it was just a thought passed in my mind .

Salam.

Here is something of GREAT interest :

German Author Erik Hornung's THE SECRET LORE OF EGYPT : Its Impact On The West, in page 158, Hornung refers to Johann Georg Herwart von Hohenburg's 1623 published work 'Admiranda Ethnicae Theolgiae Mysteria Propalata'...

It upholds that Hohenburg himself "...also seems to have been aware of the Arab tradition that according to which the PYRAMIDS and the SPHINX were built as BULWARKS[Awtaad] against the (Nile) flood..."

and

"...that there was a widespread view that Cheops' sarcophagus was the intended burial place of the pharaoh who drowned in the Red Sea at the time of the Exodus."

I myself just came across Hornung's work today when I typed in 'Pyramids as Bulwarks' in Google and Yahoo to see what would spring up...And found the above comment incredibly interesting to say the least...

I have no idea what Mr. Hornung exactly means when he wrote this. This "widespread view of Cheops' sarcophagus" was apparently held during the 16th and 17th centuries.

I don't know from where Mr. Hornung got this information. He doesn't elaborate and is rather vague about this subject on page 158 of his book.

Mr. Hornung further mentions that naturalist Thomas Shaw upon his 1721 trip to Cairo, Egypt upheld that Cheops' Pyramid at Giza was not suited to be a royal tomb but rather a temple with subterranean passages that linked it to the Sphinx and other pyramids...

The above significantly correlates to present day Egyptology and the following article excerpt which I had already posted earlier in these threads regarding Dr. Rainer Stadelmann :

That led Stadelmann, who was head of the German Archaeological Institute at the time of the Robot exploration, to conclude that the shafts were in fact model corridors, through which the king's soul could rise to the "stars that never are extinguished", that is, the circumpolar stars in the northern sky as well as the "land of light" in the southern sky". In other words, he reasoned that the shafts were built for the dead king's journey up to heaven.

It is among those "stars that never are extinguished" that Pharaoh Khufu attempted to view Nabih Musa's God and obtain knowledge of Him...That is MY personal theory.

That the PYRAMIDS were built as BULWARKS[Awtaad] was also mentioned in page 190 of the 1883-published work by Georges Perrot and Charles Chipiez entitled A HISTORY OF ART IN ANCIENT EGYPT.

Getting back to THE SECRET LORE OF EGYPT, Mr. Hornung also mentions in page 155 that the PYRAMIDS were traditionally called TURRIS or TOWER in Greco-Latin...This of course is of great interest to me personally as in the Quranic translations in English, Firawn[Pharaoh] decrees Haman[Hemon] to build him a "Tower"...In some translations, it is "Palace"...Either way, my personal theory upholds that the PYRAMIDS served as ALL THREE : Royal Palace, Temple and Mausoleum.

And also of interest in page 159 of Hornung's book, he mentions 18th century French author Cornelius de Pauw's opinion that the PYRAMIDS were not tombs but TEMPLES for the worship of "the Being who filled the universe with light" ...

Finally, I believe the correct and proper translation of the following Quranic ayat(verse) should be :

WA FIRAWNA DHU AL-AWTAAD[And The Great Host, He Of The Great Bulwark]

To me, this would identify Pharaoh Khufu(Cheops/Suphis II) and his Great Pyramid of Giza(Akhet-Khufu=Horizon Of Khufu] ...

Just as Allah(swt) refers in the Holy Qur'an to Cyrus the Great[Khorvash Vazraka/Khoroush Bozorg] as DHU AL-QARNAYN[He Of The Two Horns]...In reference to the Two-Horned Crown worn by Cyrus the Great(Cyrus II) which symbolically represented his conquests of both East of Persia and West of Persia.

Wa Huwa Ala Kulli Shayin Qadir.

Edited by Al-Afza
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
×
×
  • Create New...