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Zuljinah Aur Alam Ki Ziarat Ki Shariat Mai Ijazat Hai Kya?

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Wajebaat kay baghayr mustahabat kee adaaegee kee koyee ahmiyyat naheen hai; magar tawazan zutooree hai.

Misaal kay taur par, saal bharr mein, harr namaaz kay b'aad masajed mein majlis naheen hotee, laikin agar Moharram kee chaand raat say 8 Rabi ul Awwal takk aisa kiya jaataa hai, harr fardh kay b'aad mukhtasar see majlis karr lee jaatee rahaytou thawaab hee thawaab hai . . . hai naa

Incholi waalay hou tou ghar peh 'alam tou hou gaa hee, kuchch bhee hou jaaye

(salam)

Please ... main Ancholi wala nahi hoon na he mera koi rishtaydaar wahan rehta hai ... or Alam is liay hai k woh mera shia honay ki identity hai ..

Peace

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(salam)

Please ... main Ancholi wala nahi hoon na he mera koi rishtaydaar wahan rehta hai ... or Alam is liay hai k woh mera shia honay ki identity hai ..

Peace

Note karr liya

(salam)

that was such a derogatory comment .. and I am offended ...

Peace

How does living in Incholi be derogatory? Sorry if that hurt your feelings, though

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Asslam-o-Alikum:

Afsoos iss baat ka huta hay kay jab bhi hum azadari ki khudsakta rasoomat ka zikar kartay hain hamary loog foran iss ko azadri ki mukhalifat samjhnay lagtay hain.Jab bhi inn khudsakhta rasoomat par baat ki jati hay tu jawab main Aima (as) kay woh aqwal quote kiyay janay lagtay hain kay jinn main Aima (as) nay Azadari karnay ki hidayat ki hay.

Sub say pehlay yey samjhnay ki zaroorat hay kay Azadari alag hay aor azadari main shamil rasoomat alag hain.Azadari ka hukm Aima (as) say milta hay jab kay inn main shamil rassomat hamary apni khudsakta hain.

Yey discussion Kafi tafseel talab hay aor agar iss par baat ki jay gi tu bhut si aisi batoon ka bhi tazkira hu ga kay jiss say hamary bhut say brothers aor sisters ko ikhtilaf huga, kiunkay hum nay na sirf azadari balkay mazahab-e-ahlaibat kay basic aqeed main bhi afart-o-tafreet shru kar di hay.

Aqeeda Tohhed say lay kar Aqeeda Qayamat tak tahrref ki zad par nazar aa raha hay.Khuda ki hasti,maqam-e-Muhammad(s.a),maqam-e- Imamat sub afart-o-tafreet ka shikar hain.

Hum yahan yey kah saktay hain kay Shia Asna Ashri kay aqaeed alag hain aor shioon kay aqaeed alag hu gai hain.

Jiss ko bhi meri baat say ikhtilaf hay main inn ko dawat daita hoon kay iss discussion ko start karain.

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Oopar chandd be'mithaal Shia ithaa ashari mojtehedeen-e-azzaam kay fataaw diye hain, unn kaa jawaab lay aao, phirr "discussion start" karein gay

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(salam)

Yahaan mein aik Pakistani 'aalim-e-haqq k khayalaat musta'aar lay raha hoon. Farmatey hein k hamaray ba'az "inqilabi" biradraan jo inqilaab sey bhi aagay nikal gaey hein unn ka khud saakhta nazaria ye hey k ma'arifat k baghair na namaaz sahi hey na azadari. Phir kehtay hein k bhayya jab namaz parho gay aur azadari karo gay tab hi tau ahista ahista ma'arifat aaey gi. Koi bijli ka switch tau naheen k on kiya aur khat sey ma'arifat aa gayi. Aur agar pehlay maarifat k intezaar mein rahay tau parh li namaaz aur kar li azadari.

Mausuf khud sahih ma'non mein inqilabi hein, aur ma'arifat mein hum sey boht aagey. Inn aalim ko Mujahid-e-Millat bhi kaha jaata hey.

Apni jaahilaana zubaan mein ye nacheez bhi arz karta hey k pehlay utthak baithak kar lo, ro lo, seena peet lo. Aahista aahista maqsad-e-namaz, maqsad-e-Husain (alaihissalam) aur maqsad-e-qayaam-e-Karbala k uqday khud khul jaen gay. Agar pehlay zeenay pay hi maarifat ka intezaar karnay lagay, tau ya tau waheen kharay reh jao gey ya munh ki khao gey.

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Asslam-o-Alaikum

Brother app btain k jinn mujtahdeen ko qoute kiya gaya hay unn main say konsay mujthaid hain jinhoon nay kaha hay kay Zuljinah,Alam,ya Taboot mustahib ammal hay.Marasam-e-Azadari say murad Majlis aor ba maqsad jloos ko kha jata hay.Rahi baat Zanjeer aor qama zani ki tu sub say pehlay kissi Aik Mujatahid ko hi qoute kardain jo Zanjee Zani ko MUSTAHIB jantay hain.Jab kay Rahabar-e-Muazam Ali Khmaenai Zanjeer Zani ko na jaeez samjhtay hain.Iss kay ilawa asr-e-hazir kay aik aor marajay Hussain Fazl ullah bhi iss ko Haram jantay hain.Ayoutullah Sestani bhi iss ko sirf Mubah ammal samjthay hain.

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Brother app btain k jinn mujtahdeen ko qoute kiya gaya hay unn main say konsay mujthaid hain jinhoon nay kaha hay kay Zuljinah,Alam,ya Taboot mustahib ammal hay.Marasam-e-Azadari say murad Majlis aor ba maqsad jloos ko kha jata hay.Rahi baat Zanjeer aor qama zani ki tu sub say pehlay kissi Aik Mujatahid ko hi qoute kardain jo Zanjee Zani ko MUSTAHIB jantay hain.Jab kay Rahabar-e-Muazam Ali Khmaenai Zanjeer Zani ko na jaeez samjhtay hain.Iss kay ilawa asr-e-hazir kay aik aor marajay Hussain Fazl ullah bhi iss ko Haram jantay hain.Ayoutullah Sestani bhi iss ko sirf Mubah ammal samjthay hain.

(salam)

Biradar naheen khwahar hein jinhoon nay maraje' uzzam ko quote kiya hey.

Aap ney farmaya k "... unn main say konsay mujthaid hain jinhoon nay kaha hay kay Zuljinah,Alam,ya Taboot mustahib ammal hay.Marasam-e-Azadari say murad Majlis aor ba maqsad jloos ko kha jata hay. Bazahir inn mein sey kisi ney marasim ki koi ta'reef naheen farmai. Lekin lafz-e "marasim" ka iste'maal khud ye izhaar kar raha hey k jahaan jo tareeqa marsoom ho wo istehbaab rakhta hey.

Aap ka farmana k "Marasam-e-Azadari say murad Majlis aor ba maqsad jloos ko kha jata hay", ye aap ka apna khayal hey ya iss baarey mein kisi aalim ki sanad hey? Agar marasim-e-azadari ko iss hudd tak mehdud kar diya jaey tabb bhi Zuljanah, 'Alam aur Taziyeh julus ka hissa hotay hein jo aap ki bayaan karda taareef k mutabiq rusoom-e azadari mein shamil hey.

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Brother app btain k jinn mujtahdeen ko qoute kiya gaya hay unn main say konsay mujthaid hain jinhoon nay kaha hay kay Zuljinah,Alam,ya Taboot mustahib ammal hay.Marasam-e-Azadari say murad Majlis aor ba maqsad jloos ko kha jata hay.Rahi baat Zanjeer aor qama zani ki tu sub say pehlay kissi Aik Mujatahid ko hi qoute kardain jo Zanjee Zani ko MUSTAHIB jantay hain.Jab kay Rahabar-e-Muazam Ali Khmaenai Zanjeer Zani ko na jaeez samjhtay hain.Iss kay ilawa asr-e-hazir kay aik aor marajay Hussain Fazl ullah bhi iss ko Haram jantay hain.Ayoutullah Sestani bhi iss ko sirf Mubah ammal samjthay hain.

(salam)

Yar Sunniyoon wali baatain nahi kero..Sun sun k jis tarha poori qoum sunni ban gayee hai , usi tarha suni sunai batoon par mat jao .. He never said main is ko Na Jaiz Samjhta hoon ... Ayatollah Khamenai clearly said k its better if you donate blood instead of doing Zanjeer....

Peace

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Zanjeer, qama, alam, taboot, tabaruk jaloos in he cheezo pay behes kiyo hotie hai. Agar (mazallah) farz kare lein kay yeh sub najaeez bhee hai to is pare tanqeed to samjh atti hai lekin phir bhee eik baat key mujhey herat hai kay jitnee is key mukhalifat hote hai doosay haram amal (farz kar lein agar koie shia sharab peeta hai) to uski itni nukhalifat mei nay kum dekhi hai.

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(salam)

Rahbar (HA) se aik makhsoos surat-e-haal mein ye sawaal kiya gaya tha jis k jawaab mein unhuin ney farmaya tha k agar ye fe'l ehanat-e-deen ka moojib banay tau jayaz naheen. Ye tassur dena k wo zanjeer zani ko yaksar najez samajhtey hein unn k fatway se mutabiqat naheen rakhta.

Behr haal iss thread ka mauzu zanjeer zani naheen hey.

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Jo Shariat Insan ko Khuda (Allha) ket pochanay kay liay ai thee , , aus Shariat say hum logo ko sirf apni kuch rasomat kernay ki ijazat chahiay aur bus

Hamari choti zayhiniyat (mantal level) may Islam/shiat ko chota ker kay (limited) kuch rasomat may bond ker diya hay

Ajj wo shiaat jo kay asal islam hay , jis ko khuda may is pori dunya per hukomat kernay kay liay bhayja hay

us kay manay waly sirf zuljinah aur alam theek mhadood hay

mayry dosto , , , , try be broad minded and think in broader prospective

""" perwaz hay dono ki isi ek jaha may""

"""kirgis ka jaha aur hay shahi ka jaha aur""

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(salam)

Mein nay oopar jinn aalim ko paraphrase kiya hey unn ki yehi contention hey k ye "symbols" hamain Karbala ko yaani deen ko samajhney mein madad detay hein, lehaza ahm hein. Hurr shakhs abstract concepts ko aasani sey naheen samajh sakta. aksariyat k liye ye symbols zururi hein. Lehaza Husain (alaihissalam), Karbala aur deen ki maarifat k liye ye tabarrukaat ahmiat rakhtey hein.

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(salam)

bhai jo hazrat marasim e aza pe eitraaz kar rahe hai.. sahi hai... aap ki soch aur zehniyat alhamd sab samajhne pe amada hai.. lekin mere bhai qaum mei sab aap jaise to nahi hai na ??

qaum mei to chote chote bacche bhi hai.. jinko kal aapki jagah leni hai.. unko aap aza ki philosophy to samjha nahi sakte.. unko to sidhi chadhni hai na.. unke aqeede mazboot hone hai isse pahle ki woh cheezon ki manviyat samjhna shuru kare.. qaum ka jo kamzor tabqa hai.. jiski zehni amadgi abhi aap ke barabar ki nahi hai.. qaum ke bahar ke log jo hamari zindagiyon mei aate jaate hai.. unko to hamari maanvi batein samajh mei nahi aaengi na..

marasim e aza (not talking abt zanjeer nd qama) ka maqsad ek general awareness phailana hai.. jisse thodi si samajh rakhne wale bacche se leke ek ghaer mazhab tak pe asar ho sake.. ye zariya hai manzil nahi.. aur zariye mei koi bhi aise kaam jo shariyat ke mukhalif na ho jaez hai.. isi liye shayad kisi Maraje ne in marasim ko explicity codify nahi kiya...

ab ye alag baat hai ki kuch logon ne in marasim ko zariyae maash bana liya hai ya phir aise umoor anjam dete hai jo aql ko hairan karte hai.. lekin kuch logon ke rusumaat ki bina pe in marasim ke fawaed ko nazarandaz nahi kiya ja sakta..

Iltemas e Dua

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(salam)

Rahbar (HA) se aik makhsoos surat-e-haal mein ye sawaal kiya gaya tha jis k jawaab mein unhuin ney farmaya tha k agar ye fe'l ehanat-e-deen ka moojib banay tau jayaz naheen. Ye tassur dena k wo zanjeer zani ko yaksar najez samajhtey hein unn k fatway se mutabiqat naheen rakhta.

Behr haal iss thread ka mauzu zanjeer zani naheen hey.

(wasalam)

Iss dhaara kaa mauz'u azaadaari hai, aur sh'aaer-e-azaadaari kee t'aareef dhaara banaanay waalay nay naheen kee.

Zuljenah, 'alam, deegar shabeehaat jo hamm hindo-pakistani Shia aaraateh kartay hain, inn sahab kou khal gayeen; inhein Iran aur Iraq mein hounay waalay ayyaam-e-Moharram kay woh dramay naheen nazar aayay jin mein 'aam genehgaar loug Imaam takk kaa role adaa kartay kahein, unn peh kuchch kahaa houtaa

Hindo-pakistani Shia kyounkeh bechaaray beyzabaan hain, apnay kaam say kaam rakhtay hain, paraaey phattay mein taang naheen arraatay iss liye har kass o naa kass unn peh harf zani karnay kou apnaa paidaaeshi haqq samajhtaa hai

Jaisey Mayn nay pehlay bhee kahaa hai, guzeshteh chaar Moharramoun say Mayn iss site peh Moharram kee aamad kay saath iss qism kay unwaanaat kaa toomaar daikh rahee hoon

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(salam)

Mein nay oopar jinn aalim ko paraphrase kiya hey unn ki yehi contention hey k ye "symbols" hamain Karbala ko yaani deen ko samajhney mein madad detay hein, lehaza ahm hein. Hurr shakhs abstract concepts ko aasani sey naheen samajh sakta. aksariyat k liye ye symbols zururi hein. Lehaza Husain (alaihissalam), Karbala aur deen ki maarifat k liye ye tabarrukaat ahmiat rakhtey hein.

(wasalam)

Unn "aalim" kou chorreay

Jabb Aseeraan-e-Karbala kou rehaayee milee tou Dimashq say Karbala joutay huway Madina gaye. Saath kyaa thaa unn kay? Aik 'alam.

Mazlooma-e-Karbala nay Mazloom-e-Karbala kee jou pehli majlis Madina mein kee, wahaan kyaa Imam kaa 'alam naheen thaa?

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(salam)

haan , magar wahan Zuljinah nahi tha ... ya koi janwar nahi tha jis ko loog choom rahay thay ... Alam say mujhe koi aiteraaz nahi hai ...that is a genuine symbol.. but how would you explain Zuljinah , Camel to someone.. atleast I cant ... It doesnt make sense to me ...woh Imam ka juloos hai na k ghooray ya oont ka ... Its not cattle festival ... Is shaan say juloos nikalo k lagay k SYed-e-Shabab-e-Ahlul Jannah ka Juloos ja raha ho

Peace

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Kiya Janab-e-Ummul baneen nay madinay mei Janab-e-Syeda key qabr pay jakay Hazrat Abbas or Imam Hussain key qabro key shabi nahi banayee?? Agar banayee to woh kiya tha?? Kiya khuda nay ghoray key tapoon key qasam nahi khaiee?? Kiya khuda ko koie or eham cheez nahi milli thee kay jo ghoray kay pairo say nikalnay wali chingario key qasam kha raha hai??

Open up your mind brother and think??

Waisay ashab-e-kehaf kay kuttay kay baray mei kiya khayal hai?? Eik najis janwar.

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(salam)

Still ..is ka yay matlab nahi k ghooray k pairoon ko choomna shoro kerdoa ya uss k agay sajda kero

Peace

I agree .. there is a difference between Shabeeh of an Alam/Taboot and Shabeeh of Zuljenah and Amari.. And its is v gud to have Shabeeh of Zuljenah and Amari etc... but then we should be very cautious about our manners while in Juloos..

I know in certain places in India.. momineens even give bhang to Zuljenah so that it can participate in 72 hours continuous Juloos in which Zuljenah goes to every house.. I have myself seen momineens eating left over food served to Zuljenah.. these are only a few incidents .. its these things and many more which are alarming.. Allah has given aql and we should understand that the Shabeeh of Zuljenah and Amari are after all a living horse and a camel..

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Kiya khuda nay ghoray key tapoon key qasam nahi khaiee?? Kiya khuda ko koie or eham cheez nahi milli thee kay jo ghoray kay pairo say nikalnay wali chingario key qasam kha raha hai??

bhai kisne kaha ki khuda ki koi khilqat aham nahi hai.. Allah ki har khilqat bahut aala hai.. aur Allah (swt) unme se jiski chahe qasam khae.. lekin isse ye to sabit nahi hota na ki zuljenah ki shabih bane ghode ka jhoota khaya jae.. ya phir uske aage sajda kiya jae..

Waisay ashab-e-kehaf kay kuttay kay baray mei kiya khayal hai?? Eik najis janwar.

Allah ki behtreen maqlooq.. Allah hi hai jisne use paida bhi kiya aur insano ke liye najis qarar diya.. mere bhai har cheez ka apna maqam hota hai.. bhale hi 'Qitmir' bemisal janwar nikla lekin phir bhi uska malik uska jhoota khate the ya uske aage sajda karte the .. iska zikr kahi nahi milta..

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Meri post doobara parhai kay kiss kay jawab mei likhi gayee thee, or phir sooch kay jawab dein, kahin kiya mei nay yeh prpogate kiya kay usko sajjda karein, lekin han zuljinah key shabih banan usko choomna ya uska ehtraam karna bilkol jaiz hai bulkay eik naaik sawab wala amal hai.

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Meri post doobara parhai kay kiss kay jawab mei likhi gayee thee, or phir sooch kay jawab dein, kahin kiya mei nay yeh prpogate kiya kay usko sajjda karein, lekin han zuljinah key shabih banan usko choomna ya uska ehtraam karna bilkol jaiz hai bulkay eik naaik sawab wala amal hai.

shabeeh banana ek accha amal hai.. isse qaum ke aksar tabqo ko faeda hota hai message samajhne mei.. aur ehtram bhi jaez hai ki woh Allah ki makhlooq hai.. lekin sirf is bina pe ki aapne ek ghode ko zuljenah ki shabeeh bana diya hai.. usko choomna ya usse apne aap ko mas karna ya deegar amal anjam dena.. inke mutabbarik hone ki daleel nahi ban jati.. aur jahan tak rahi sawab aur jaza ki baat to woh Allah ke haath mei hai..

aur jahan tak choomne ki baat rahi to phir aapke hisab se to sadak pe tahel rahe kisi bhi kutte ko 'qitmir' ki shabeeh bana ke usko bhi choomne mei koi harj nahi hona chahiye.. ya chunki Rasool (saws) ke zamane mei gadhe aur khacchar istemal hote the sawari aur saman dhone ke liye.. to us case mei kisi bhi 'gadhe' ya 'khacchar' ko us zamane ki shabeeh bana ke usko choomna shuru kar de ya phir doosre deegar amal..

bhai jaan.. Allah ki har makhlooq ko ehtraam aur mohabbat ka haq hai.. aur jin janwaro ko is kaam mei istemal kiya jata hai.. unse unsiyat ya lagao ya mohabbat hona bhi koi buri baat nahi hai.. sab acche amal hai.. lekin janwaro ko mutabbarik samajh ke choomna (ya deegar amal) aur usko deen ki rau se jayaz tahrana.. ye zara mukhtalif hai..

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Her cheez ko upni aqal say tay kar lenay isnaan khod ko he nuqsan phonchayega...

App batain kintay aisay ullama hia jo nahi jantay kay shia zuljinah ko choomtay hai?? Or jo jantay hai unmei say kitnay aisay hai jinhon nay kaha ho yeh amal sahi nahi hai?? Upni nazar zahri sheh pay nahi rakhai sirif us nisbat key taraf bhee dekhai.

Waisay eik sawal hai app say jiska jawab sunna chahta hoon

Appko rasool key oontni (jispay rasool sawari kartay thay) mil jayee to ussay kiya kareingay? Choomay gay ya oont gari kay agay bandh kar saman laad deingay??

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App batain kintay aisay ullama hia jo nahi jantay kay shia zuljinah ko choomtay hai?? Or jo jantay hai unmei say kitnay aisay hai jinhon nay kaha ho yeh amal sahi nahi hai?? Upni nazar zahri sheh pay nahi rakhai sirif us nisbat key taraf bhee dekhai.

mere bhai zyada bahes ka koi faeda nahi.. agar aapko kisi mujtahid ki kahin koi tahreer mile jisme ek janwar ke jism ko choomna aur usse khud ko mas karna ye samajh ke ki din ki nazar mei sawab ka kaam hai kyonki is waqt qoh ek shabeeh ki halat mei hai.. to mujhe bhi forward kar dijiyega..

Waisay eik sawal hai app say jiska jawab sunna chahta hoon

Appko rasool key oontni (jispay rasool sawari kartay thay) mil jayee to ussay kiya kareingay? Choomay gay ya oont gari kay agay bandh kar saman laad deingay??

woh rasool ki utni hai.. mere gaon ya shahr mei kisi oot palne wale ki nahi.. ek utni aur bhi thi rasool ke zamane mei jisne rasool ke shahadat ke baad fasad bhi barpa kiya tha.. lekin shayad aapko mil jae to aap usko bhi choom baithenge.. akhir saari dunya ki utniya rasool ki utni ki shabeeh jo hue..

aur mera khayal hai ki aap agar karbala ya iran pahuch jae jahan Ahura ke play hote hai.. to aap bhi unme se honge jo us shaks ko choomenge jo Imam Hussain(as) ya deegar shuhada ki shabeeh bana hoga aur shayad aapke paas bhi uske jism ka kuch kapda bahaisiyat mutabarrik tohfa mil jae..

khair jaane dijiye.. in bahso mei koi faeda nahi hai..

iltemas e dua

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App khod upni baat ko contradict kar rahey hai, rasool key oontni ko choomnay say app nay inkar nahi kiya or us oontni ka zikr kiya jisskey tangain mola Ali nay kati theen, maqsad nisbat ko bhee dekhna chaiyay, waisay hum kiya kaba ko sajda kartay hai ya usko jisska ghar hai, asal kabay key deewarain to ktinai dafa sailaab annay mei toot chooki hai ab to jo bhee eeint lagi hai woh us daur key nahi jissay hazrat Ibrahim nay tameer kiya tha, lekin hai Khuda ka ghar (uska ghar jo khod lamakan hai) or hum choomtay hai.

Eik baat or clear karna chahoonga kay Islam mei her cheez us waqt tak jaeez hai jub tak app ko uskay najaeez honay key koie dalleel na milla, matlab quran key koie ayat, koie hadith. To kissi alim kay is fatwa key talab nahi karein jiss mei jaiz qarrar diya ho in cheezo ko bulkay us fatway ko tallash karein jissmei is amal ko najaiz qarrar diya ho.

Waisay baat sahi hai, is behes ka koi faida nahi specially internet pay warna amany samnay beth kar agar tameez say baat key jayee to bohat kuch hasil ho sakta hai.

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App khod upni baat ko contradict kar rahey hai, rasool key oontni ko choomnay say app nay inkar nahi kiya or us oontni ka zikr kiya jisskey tangain mola Ali nay kati theen, maqsad nisbat ko bhee dekhna chaiyay, waisay hum kiya kaba ko sajda kartay hai ya usko jisska ghar hai, asal kabay key deewarain to ktinai dafa sailaab annay mei toot chooki hai ab to jo bhee eeint lagi hai woh us daur key nahi jissay hazrat Ibrahim nay tameer kiya tha, lekin hai Khuda ka ghar (uska ghar jo khod lamakan hai) or hum choomtay hai.

aap kabe ko sajda nahi karte.. kabe ke direction mei sajda karte hai.. aur kabe ki deewarein ko chumte hai kyonki woh jagah layaq e azmat hai.. aur deewarein uska hissa hai..

Rasool ki utni ka bosa is liye mutabbarik hua ki Rasool ne uspe sawari ki.. hamari utni jisko hamne amari ki shabeeh banaya hai uspe aksar rasool ke munkir bhi sawari kar chuke ho shayad.. ye farq hai dono mei.. sirf is baat se ki aap ne kuch der ke liye apne maqsad ke farogh ke liye kisi ghaer maroof janwar ko istemal kiya, usko rasool ki utni ya phir Sayyidus shuhada ka zuljenah nahi bana deta..

Eik baat or clear karna chahoonga kay Islam mei her cheez us waqt tak jaeez hai jub tak app ko uskay najaeez honay key koie dalleel na milla, matlab quran key koie ayat, koie hadith. To kissi alim kay is fatwa key talab nahi karein jiss mei jaiz qarrar diya ho in cheezo ko bulkay us fatway ko tallash karein jissmei is amal ko najaiz qarrar diya ho.

bhai maine choomne ko najaez nahi kaha tha.. maine to is baat ke tahreer mangi thi ki aapne choomne aur jism mas karne ke amr ko sawab ka bais qarar diya tha..

claim aapki taraf se tha to proof bhi ghaleban aapko hi dena chahiye.. khair

haan agar aap ye kahte ki woh log jo in julooson ke farogh ke liye kaam karte hai.. chahe woh shabeeh banane mei hissa lete ho ya usko nikalne mei woh ek sawab ka amr hai.. to mai 100% aapse agree karta..

iltemas e dua

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Asslam-o-Alaikum:

Sub say pehlay main iss baat ki wazhat kar doon jo hamray aik Brother nay ki hay k Rahabar-e-Muazam nay khuch khas halat main zanjer zani ko na jaeez kaha hay.Rahabr ka Fatwa zanjee zani say mutaliq bulkul clear hay aor yey fatwa Rahbar ki kissi bhi web site say hasil kiya ja sakta hay."" Rahbar ka Fatwa hay kay kissi bhi Halat main Zanjeer Zani aor Qama Zani jaeez nahi hay.""

Abb hum apnay asal topic ki janib aatay hain.Hamari khudsakta rasoomat sirf azadari hi tak mahdood nahi hain balkay yey mukhtalif moqoon par bhi nazar aa rahi hay.Jaisiay kay Kondoon Ki rasam,ya 15 Shaban ki raat ko Areeza dalnay ki rasam waghera.Magar hum yahan sirf azadari main shamil rasoomat hi ki baat karain gay.

Pak-o Hind main azadari main jo rasoomat taqreban 200 ya iss say khuch zayada saloon say ada ki ja rahi hain unn main Shabeh Sazi ki jati rahi hay aor aaj bhi yeey shabeh sazi ki ja rahi hay.Hamara ikhtelaf shabeh sazi say iss qism ka nahi hay k hum iss ko Haram samjhtay hoon balkay hum iss ko aik Mubah Ammal samjhtay hain .Shabeh sazi say hamara ikhtelaf do waja say hay. Pehli waja yey hay kay Tashbehat agar bnai ja bhi rahi hoon tu inn ko sirf iss Neyat say bnaya jay kay yey waqa Karbala ki Tasweer Kashi hay jo waqa karbala ko samjhnay kay liyay bnai ja rahi hain.Magar inn Tashbehat ko apni zati dunyawi khuahushat ki baja awari kay liyay makhsos kar dayna,inn par manatain manna ,Yahn tak k inn Tashbehat ko iss qadar ahmeyat dayna kay woh Maqsad Karbla par hawi hu jain sara sar ghalat hay.

Dasri waja yey hay kay hum jiss Society main rahtay hain wahan Gher Shia afard ki aksaryat hay,aor hamari yey rasoomat gher shia afrad ki nazar main hamaray mazhab ki thazeek ka baees hain.Kiunkay hum na sirf inn Tashbehat ko bna rahay hain balkay unn ki Tazeem main iss had tak aagay chaly jatay hain kay jiss say agay sirf shirk hi rah jata hay.

Wali-e-Amarul Muslamin Ali Khamenai,Ayoutullah Sestani sameet asar hazir kay tmam Marajey iss baat par mutafiq hain kay Azadari main sirf woh hi rasoomat ada ki jain kay jo Mazhab-e-Ahlaibait ki tazleel ka baees na hoon.

Hamaray aik Brother nay yey bhi point uthaya tha kay Iran aor Iraq main Waqa Karbala ko Darma ki shakl main pesh kiya jata hay.Iss kay baray main yey kahoon ga kay woh loog iss ko Darmay ki shakal main zaroor pesh karaty hain magar kiya wahan par inn Daramoon ko ya unn kay woh Charectors jinn ko Shohda Krbala say mansob kar diya jata hay ko waisi hi tazeem ya aqeedat di jati hay kay jaisi hamaray haan inn Tashbehat ko di jatai hay.

Darma kay zareyay ya Film kay zreyay mukhtalif Tarekhi waqaaat ko pesh karna aor baat hay aor hamaray haan bnai gai aisi Tashbehat kay jinn say itni aqqedat rakhi jay kay woh azdari kay mafhoom ko bhi pas-o-pesh karday alag baat hay.

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Asslam-o-Alakium:

Brother Saaz14 ny aap ki bat ka jawab diya hai, ky Hazrat Ibrahim ki hum sunat ada kartay hain, kya ye wohi Bheer hai jo janat say aae hai, jis ko hum zibah kartay hain, ye sirif us ki Shabeeh hai,

Kabatullah ke ya kisi Imam ya Nabi pak ky rozay ki agar Picture kaheen lagi hai to aap us ko kyon choomtay hain, kya wo asli hain, wo bhe to shabeh hain, agar Alam aur Taboot ka kisi Imam ny hukum nahi diya to Kya kisi imam nay kaheen mana kya hai?? ye mujhay aap kisi bhe imam ky Qool sy batain,

Ghilaf e Kaba ko jab tabdel kartay hain to purany ko kya phenk daitay hain, Kisi Imam Ki ab jo zareh hain un ko kyon chomtay hain, halankay Tamam Imam aur Shuhda e Karbala Ki asal mazar to bohat nechay hain.

Hum log Taboot ya Alam ya pher Zuljinah ki Tazeem kartay hain, un say kuch nahi mangtay, sirif khuda ko un ka wasta detay hain.

Mujtahdeen aur Ayatollaahon ki ya molviyoon ki to baat he choorain, agar ap Iran m dekhaingay to Wahan to pata Karbala per dramay hotay hain, shows hotay hain, films hoti hain, Mujtahdeen un ko to mana nahi kartay, agar aap mujtahdeen ky Qool aur Masooomen ky kool dekhain gay to bohat farak nazar aaye ga. Zanjeer zani sy ye mana kartay hain, baaz ny to haram karar diya hai, Hazrat Awais Qarni Ny jab suna ky Rasool e pak ka aik dant shahed ho gaya to unhoo ny apny saray dant toor diya, too unko Rasool pak ny to mana nahi kya tha, pher aap kyo Fatwa laga rahay hain ky Zanjeer Zani mat karoo.

Imam e Zamana ny farmaya hai ky jab mera Zahoor hoga to Meri Talwar sab say pehlay Ulma e Din per hongi, Imam ny aisa kyon kaha, Aaj ky ulma to ye bhe kehtay hain Ya Ali Madad mat kaho, pher aap ki is bat per kya rai hai??

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Asslam-o-Alaikum:

Sub say pehlay main iss baat ki wazhat kar doon jo hamray aik Brother nay ki hay k Rahabar-e-Muazam nay khuch khas halat main zanjer zani ko na jaeez kaha hay.Rahabr ka Fatwa zanjee zani say mutaliq bulkul clear hay aor yey fatwa Rahbar ki kissi bhi web site say hasil kiya ja sakta hay."" Rahbar ka Fatwa hay kay kissi bhi Halat main Zanjeer Zani aor Qama Zani jaeez nahi hay.""

Abb hum apnay asal topic ki janib aatay hain.Hamari khudsakta rasoomat sirf azadari hi tak mahdood nahi hain balkay yey mukhtalif moqoon par bhi nazar aa rahi hay.Jaisiay kay Kondoon Ki rasam,ya 15 Shaban ki raat ko Areeza dalnay ki rasam waghera.Magar hum yahan sirf azadari main shamil rasoomat hi ki baat karain gay.

Pak-o Hind main azadari main jo rasoomat taqreban 200 ya iss say khuch zayada saloon say ada ki ja rahi hain unn main Shabeh Sazi ki jati rahi hay aor aaj bhi yeey shabeh sazi ki ja rahi hay.Hamara ikhtelaf shabeh sazi say iss qism ka nahi hay k hum iss ko Haram samjhtay hoon balkay hum iss ko aik Mubah Ammal samjhtay hain .Shabeh sazi say hamara ikhtelaf do waja say hay. Pehli waja yey hay kay Tashbehat agar bnai ja bhi rahi hoon tu inn ko sirf iss Neyat say bnaya jay kay yey waqa Karbala ki Tasweer Kashi hay jo waqa karbala ko samjhnay kay liyay bnai ja rahi hain.Magar inn Tashbehat ko apni zati dunyawi khuahushat ki baja awari kay liyay makhsos kar dayna,inn par manatain manna ,Yahn tak k inn Tashbehat ko iss qadar ahmeyat dayna kay woh Maqsad Karbla par hawi hu jain sara sar ghalat hay.

Dasri waja yey hay kay hum jiss Society main rahtay hain wahan Gher Shia afard ki aksaryat hay,aor hamari yey rasoomat gher shia afrad ki nazar main hamaray mazhab ki thazeek ka baees hain.Kiunkay hum na sirf inn Tashbehat ko bna rahay hain balkay unn ki Tazeem main iss had tak aagay chaly jatay hain kay jiss say agay sirf shirk hi rah jata hay.

Wali-e-Amarul Muslamin Ali Khamenai,Ayoutullah Sestani sameet asar hazir kay tmam Marajey iss baat par mutafiq hain kay Azadari main sirf woh hi rasoomat ada ki jain kay jo Mazhab-e-Ahlaibait ki tazleel ka baees na hoon.

Hamaray aik Brother nay yey bhi point uthaya tha kay Iran aor Iraq main Waqa Karbala ko Darma ki shakl main pesh kiya jata hay.Iss kay baray main yey kahoon ga kay woh loog iss ko Darmay ki shakal main zaroor pesh karaty hain magar kiya wahan par inn Daramoon ko ya unn kay woh Charectors jinn ko Shohda Krbala say mansob kar diya jata hay ko waisi hi tazeem ya aqeedat di jati hay kay jaisi hamaray haan inn Tashbehat ko di jatai hay.

Darma kay zareyay ya Film kay zreyay mukhtalif Tarekhi waqaaat ko pesh karna aor baat hay aor hamaray haan bnai gai aisi Tashbehat kay jinn say itni aqqedat rakhi jay kay woh azdari kay mafhoom ko bhi pas-o-pesh karday alag baat hay.

(wasalam)

Ap nay apni post mein jo b baaten ke hen woh kisi b parhy likhy Shia ko samjhany k liay kafi hen, balke ho sakta hai k woh ap say pehly hee samjh chuka ho... Lekin hamari badqismati k hamara India & Pak ka shia tabqa jo k pichlay 200 saalon say apnay abao ajdad ko azaadari manaty howay dekhta aa raha hai woh yeh sab iss liay pehly dafa sunn k nae manta k hamen aj say 200 saal pehly kisi aalam nay kion mana naheen kia. Kabi kisi nay kion nae kaha k iss hadd tak na jao.

Iss ka jawab b bara seedha saadha sa hai... Aor meri baat woh momineen aasani say samjh jayen gay jo Gulf mein rehty hain ya reh chukay hain.... Baat sirf itni c hai k bar-e-sagheer (india & Pak) kay log basically hadd say ziada aaqeedat waly hen.... aor phir badqismati say unn ka ilmi qad bhi itna naheen k woh hadd muta'yan kar saken k yahan say aagay aaqeedat shirk kee sorat ikhtiar kar leti hai.... Agar aap dekhen to Gulf countries mein musalmaan (Arabic) Quran & dosri tabarukaat ko uss nazar say naheen dekhtay jis nazar say ham log dekhty hen... Agar aap Qaba jayen to kai log saamny Qaba hay aor tangen phela k bethy hein, Quran rakhny ke Rail pe paon rakh k bethay hotay hain, Ya letay howay Quran ke Talawat kar rahy hoty hain (just like a simple book)... Jis ka k ham Pak-o-Hind k log tasawar b nae kar sakty....

Bass issi waja say ham nay Karbala walon say mansoob her aik cheez ko itni aaqeedat day dee k shirk tak mein chilangen laga den... Purany zamany mein duniavi rabtay bhi itny taiz naheen thay k wahan k aalam hamen iss per fatway directly detay... ab jab k dunia global village ban chuki hai to ab jab koi aalam Iran ya Iraq say hamen fatwa deta hai to ham mantay naheen k 200 saal say ham yahi kuch karty aa rahy hain.....

Allah hee hamara hami-o-nasir ho... Aor hamary inn gunahon ko hamari aaqeedat samjhty howay mushrikon k sath mehshoor na farmaay...

Amin...

Iltimas-e-Dua

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Hum Kis Had tak Aqal aur Quran ki mantay hain apni azadari mai???

jis kaam ki mumaneat Rasool e karim(s) nay nahi ki wo kaam jayez hay

Quran e karim main Allah tala farmatay hain: "jin cheezon ko tum per halal kiya gaya hay un ko apnay upper haram nahi karo"

ab meray dost rahi sunniyon ki baat to

agar main ap say yahoodi ban kar kahon k musalman jahil qom hay din main itni namazin parhtay hain us k agay jhuktay hain, jisay dekha tak nahi pura month bhookay piyasay rehtay hain to ap kiya karain gay ?

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jis kaam ki mumaneat Rasool e karim(s) nay nahi ki wo kaam jayez hay

Quran e karim main Allah tala farmatay hain: "jin cheezon ko tum per halal kiya gaya hay un ko apnay upper haram nahi karo"

ab meray dost rahi sunniyon ki baat to

agar main ap say yahoodi ban kar kahon k musalman jahil qom hay din main itni namazin parhtay hain us k agay jhuktay hain, jisay dekha tak nahi pura month bhookay piyasay rehtay hain to ap kiya karain gay ?

hmmm.... Yeh b sahi hai...

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