Zuljinah Aur Alam Ki Ziarat Ki Shariat Mai Ijazat Hai Kya?

[Jaffry]

Hum Kis Had tak Aqal aur Quran ki mantay hain apni azadari mai???

[jarry-haider]

Hum Kis Had tak Aqal aur Quran ki mantay hain apni azadari mai???

Salaam brother all your answers here

http://answering-ansar.org/answers/azadari/en/index.php

but I will give u a verdict of Deobandi scholar that says that one should support Shias in their Muharram mourning

[wazz]

jo humari (shia) sumaj mein hai wo teek hai, pur yeh be baath hai ke jub laug hum ko dekhteh hai aur hum eik horse (zuljana) ko saja kur haath lagatei hai aur roteh be hai, dusro (non-shia or non-muslim) ko batana perta hai ke hum kya kur rahe hai....is liyeh jub dusreh dekhteh hai un ko lugta hai ke hum goreh (horse) ko khuda manteh hai. Humari niyyat teek hai pur kubhi apni society mein precaution be zaroori hai.....yaha precaution yahee hai ke hum dusro ko galti se islam se duur na kere.

Vese be ye Zuljana bananah Imamo ke Sunnat mein nahee hai or zaroori be nahee hai....ziayda tur pakistani laug ye kerte hai.

[Jaffry]

salamunalaikum

bhai jaan aap logo k jawabat sunay... jin sahib nay mujh say kaha hai k iss amal ko deobandio k kuch ulma bhi support kartay hain... un say mera yeh kehna hai k bhai mai yahan sirf Aqal, Quran aur seerat-e-masoomeen say yeh janna chahoon ga k kya waqai iss ki ijazat hai??

>> Imam hussain (as) k horse ko unki shahadat say pehlay ya unki shahadat k baad kisi imam nay ya unkay kisi bawafa sahabi nay chooma??

>> Hazrat abbas k alam ki shabih nikali gae?? kya kisi imam k period mai aesa hua???

>> Hazrat abbas k asli alam aur imam hussain k asli horse ko na hi kisi nay chooma na hi kisi nay uski aesay tazeem ki jaisa k aaj kal horahi hai... tou jab asli alam o zuljinah ko vo ahmiat hasil nahe thi tou aaj 1400yrs k baad uski naqal ko itni ahmiat Q di jarahi hai?? kya hum had say aagay nahe barh rahay???

[jarry-haider]

Brother look Jab kisi cheez ko kisi muqaddas cheez se munasebat hojaie to wo bohot muteebaar ban jati hai

For example jab tak aik page khali hai to os ka etna ehteraam nahee aur jab es par Quran ki ayat lekh dee jaien to os ko chumna baise sawaab lehaaza es usool k tehat agar lakrio ki jama kar k ose Taboote Imam Hussain(AS) se nisbat ya koi muqaddas hasti k taboot se tashbeeh dejaie to es mai koi muaziqa nahee

[Jaffry]

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan

>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan

>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

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[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

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[Jaffry]

salamunalaikum

mai jab iss behas mai varid hua tha tou mujhe andaza tha k Ahl-e-sunnat ko hum jis aqeeday ki buniyad par ghalat aur batil par samjhtay hain aaj Vo ghalat thinking hamaray yahan bhi aa mojood hue hai.... yani ANDHI taqleed....

>> Ahle sunnat un logo ki andhia taqleed kartay hain jin ko Direct rasool nay taleem tou di Lekin kisi bhi tarah yeh sabit nahe kia jasakta k rasool ki taleem k baad unka har amal Qabil-e-qabool hai aur vo koi gunnah nahe karsaktay..... Lekin aaj aap jaisay shia hazraat un mujtahideen ki ANDHI taqleed kartay hain jin Na hi rasool nay taleem di na hi kisi imam nay phir bhi aap logo ki bato say lagta hai k aap log mujtahideen ko masoom samjhtay hain..... tou iss mamlay mai tou phir ahlesunnat ziada theek huay... Q k vo rasool k period k sahabio ki taqleed kartay hain....

MAI YAHAN HISTORY, QURAN, AQAL AUR AYEMMA KI SEERAT SAY DALAIL LA RAHA HOON AUR AAP KEHTAY HAIN K HAMARAY MUJTAHID IJAZAT DAYTAY HAIN??? KYA AAP KI AQAL GHAS CHARNAY GAE HAI YA PHIR AAP IMAMAT K PARRALLEL MUJTAHIDO KO BHI LA RAHAY HAIN??

>> KYA DUNIYA K HAR MUJTAHID NAY INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT KI IJAZAT DI HAI?? YA KISI NAY DI HAI KISI NAY NAHE DI... BATAO...

>> AGAR KISI AIK BHI MUJTAHID NAY IJAZAT NAHE DI TOU KYA TUM USKO SIRAY SAY MUJTAHID HI NAHE MANO GAY??? HOW STRANGE...

>> MUJTAHID KI TAQLEED VAHAN KI JATI HAI JAHAN QURAN, AQAL AUR SEERAT SAY VAZAY TAUR PAR KOI DALEEL NAHE MILTI.... MAI SABIT KAR CHUKA HOON K INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT SEERAT, QURAN AUR AQAL K KHILAF HAI TOU TUM LOGO NAY MUJTAHIDEEN KA NARA LAGANA START KAR DIA??

>> KYA TUMHARAY MUJTAHID MASOOM HOTAY HAIN?? KYA VO KOI GHALTI NAHE KARSAKTAY?? KYA TUM LOG UNKI KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY??? AGR KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY TOU ZARA BATAO AYATULLAH BAQAR US SADR NAY SADDAM K KHILAF JIDOJIHAD KI... MOHSINULHAKEEM NAY KI... UNKI FAMILY NAY KI.... LEKIN AYATULLAH KHOI KHAMOSH RAHAY AB ZARA BATAO TOU K TAQLEED KIS KI KARO GAY????

"" BATIL K PAS HATIYAR KHTM HOJATAY HAIN TOU VO MUQADDAS NUMA PERSONALITIES KA SAHARA LAY KAR HAQ KO DABANAY KI KOSHISH KARTA HAI""

TUM BHI YEHI KAAM KAR RAHAY HO... Allah TUMHARI AQAL K TALAY KHOLAY AUR QURAN SAMJHNAY KI TAUFEEQ ATA FARMAYE....

Edited April 16, 2008 by Jaffry

[Angel of Death]

salamunalaikum

mai jab iss behas mai varid hua tha tou mujhe andaza tha k Ahl-e-sunnat ko hum jis aqeeday ki buniyad par ghalat aur batil par samjhtay hain aaj Vo ghalat thinking hamaray yahan bhi aa mojood hue hai.... yani ANDHI taqleed....

>> Ahle sunnat un logo ki andhia taqleed kartay hain jin ko Direct rasool nay taleem tou di Lekin kisi bhi tarah yeh sabit nahe kia jasakta k rasool ki taleem k baad unka har amal Qabil-e-qabool hai aur vo koi gunnah nahe karsaktay..... Lekin aaj aap jaisay shia hazraat un mujtahideen ki ANDHI taqleed kartay hain jin Na hi rasool nay taleem di na hi kisi imam nay phir bhi aap logo ki bato say lagta hai k aap log mujtahideen ko masoom samjhtay hain..... tou iss mamlay mai tou phir ahlesunnat ziada theek huay... Q k vo rasool k period k sahabio ki taqleed kartay hain....

MAI YAHAN HISTORY, QURAN, AQAL AUR AYEMMA KI SEERAT SAY DALAIL LA RAHA HOON AUR AAP KEHTAY HAIN K HAMARAY MUJTAHID IJAZAT DAYTAY HAIN??? KYA AAP KI AQAL GHAS CHARNAY GAE HAI YA PHIR AAP IMAMAT K PARRALLEL MUJTAHIDO KO BHI LA RAHAY HAIN??

>> KYA DUNIYA K HAR MUJTAHID NAY INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT KI IJAZAT DI HAI?? YA KISI NAY DI HAI KISI NAY NAHE DI... BATAO...

>> AGAR KISI AIK BHI MUJTAHID NAY IJAZAT NAHE DI TOU KYA TUM USKO SIRAY SAY MUJTAHID HI NAHE MANO GAY??? HOW STRANGE...

>> MUJTAHID KI TAQLEED VAHAN KI JATI HAI JAHAN QURAN, AQAL AUR SEERAT SAY VAZAY TAUR PAR KOI DALEEL NAHE MILTI.... MAI SABIT KAR CHUKA HOON K INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT SEERAT, QURAN AUR AQAL K KHILAF HAI TOU TUM LOGO NAY MUJTAHIDEEN KA NARA LAGANA START KAR DIA??

>> KYA TUMHARAY MUJTAHID MASOOM HOTAY HAIN?? KYA VO KOI GHALTI NAHE KARSAKTAY?? KYA TUM LOG UNKI KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY??? AGR KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY TOU ZARA BATAO AYATULLAH BAQAR US SADR NAY SADDAM K KHILAF JIDOJIHAD KI... MOHSINULHAKEEM NAY KI... UNKI FAMILY NAY KI.... LEKIN AYATULLAH KHOI KHAMOSH RAHAY AB ZARA BATAO TOU K TAQLEED KIS KI KARO GAY????

"" BATIL K PAS HATIYAR KHTM HOJATAY HAIN TOU VO MUQADDAS NUMA PERSONALITIES KA SAHARA LAY KAR HAQ KO DABANAY KI KOSHISH KARTA HAI""

TUM BHI YEHI KAAM KAR RAHAY HO... Allah TUMHARI AQAL K TALAY KHOLAY AUR QURAN SAMJHNAY KI TAUFEEQ ATA FARMAYE....

aqal bari hay ya bhaynce ?

[YA ALI_ZAIDI]

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan

>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan

>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

(salam) to all shia members,

I m very newly join member in this forum, and I read above what jaffery has written I agreed especially about the mutahid's

but what I think also yeh propganda hai shio kai kilaf jo aaj kal wahibiun nai ura rakha hai especially in Pakistan & india

but not in Arab contries, problem kiya hai kai hum loogon buhat si cheezon ki awairness nahi hai if u live in Arab contries

especially in Saudia,Bahrain,Iran,Iraq & Syria. Syria tu aag kal buhat loog jatay rehtain hain, yeh loog tu poora usi tarhan

ka nakshah detain hain jo ashura kai din usi tarah medan mein kaimaih lagtain poora wohi concept eik ground mein generate

kartain hai kiya yeh sahi hai.....???? ap ki baton sai tu lagta hai kai na majlis ho na matam ho na zikre hussain ho na zikre

masoomeen ho bus muharram ayee or chal gayee,

what changes I have seen in Pakistan because of these type of messages from some islamic organisation

when I was on my 2nd last vacation I spend muharram there, mujhe yeh sirf or sirf eik propoganda lagta hai

shio kai kilaf, coming next years loog bolna shooron karaingain ayeema kai roozon ki or graves ki ziarat karna

bhi galat hai....... coz already kuch loog tu boolnai lagay hum shio mein sai hi kai (sura-e-fateha) eisal-e-sawab kai liyee parhna galat hai....

[Abuzar]

Zuljinah Aur Alam Ki Ziarat Ki Shariat Mai Ijazat Hai Kya?

(salam)

Shariat ka usool hey k jis kaam ki mumane'at na ki gayi ho, uss ki ijazat hey. Lehaza sirf iss usool ki bunyad pey hi aap kay sawaal ka jawaab hey: 'ji haan'!

[seekers14]

Their are two diffrent things.

One is Shareit and other is Tareeqat.

First we have to undersatnd both of them then we could find the answer of this thread.

I am so sorry to say that word of "Biddah" has import now in shia also from wahabisim.

This termonolgy is used against Muhib Ahlebayt(A.S) openly in shiachat by people who claim themself shia.

Shia religion is based on Hube Ahlebayt(A.S).

No one has declred Majnun kafir in his act of mad love for layla.But people using abuse language when we express our love with Ahlebayt(A.S).

In Qurran Allah has clearly says that HE don't want us except Love with Ahlebayt(A.S)

[Abuzar]

^

Irfan does not take leave of shari'at in Shi'a Islam, while Sunnis believe shari'at and tareeqat to be "different" paths, which also seems to be the opinion expressed above.

Wassalam ala man ittaba al huda

[seekers14]

What about Taqleed ,Faqhih and ijthad ,which are adopted from Sunni Islam.

What about Taqleed ,Faqhih and ijthad ,which are adopted from Sunni Islam.

[saaz14]

I didn't read the complete posts above me but its pity to read some of the posts above posted by my Shia brother.

Brother, you ask the Islamic historical proof of Shabeeh and Zuljinnah? Your question is that is this concept of Shabeeh present in Islam? Well there are many incidents which favours this concept but let me just give you two examples that will clear your doubts.

Do you celebrate Eid ul Azha? What do you do in it? Sloughter Goat? Now is that the same Goat that Hazrt Ibraheem (A.S) cut (Zibbah)? No, its just the Shabeeh of it and we do it just to recall the great sacrifise of Hazrat Ibraheem in the way of God. Now got the point of Shabeeh e Zuljinah?

Take another example, When the brother's of Hazrat Yousaf threw him in the well and told Hazrat Yaqoob (a.s) that Yousaf (a.s) has been killed and gave a shirt full of blood of Hazrat Yousaf as a proof. You know what Hazrat Yaqoob used to do with that piece of shirt as described in Quran majeed? He used to hold that piece of Shirt in hand every time, weep loudly and mourn on the chest. Although he was a prophit himself and knew that his son was alive but still he used to do that. Now got the point of Ziart e Alm, Matam e Hussain and weeping for someone who is alive (Shaheed)?

There are many many more examples to quote but I am short of time right now .... I hope it clearify Shiaism Stanse to Jaffry and others who think the same way ....

YA ALI MADAD

Allah HAFIZ

[Rawshni]

(salam)

Shariat ka usool hey k jis kaam ki mumane'at na ki gayi ho, uss ki ijazat hey. Lehaza sirf iss usool ki bunyad pey hi aap kay sawaal ka jawaab hey: 'ji haan'!

(wasalam)

Chorrein.

Guzeshteh chaar Moharramoun say daikh rahee hoon, jaisey hee Moharram kee 'aamad aamad houtee hai, iss tarha kay topics barsaati maindakoun kee tareh nazar aanay laggtay hain.

Baabaa baat seedhee hai, agar shaiat kaa tumhaara tassawar in mamelaat kee ijazat naheen daytaa tou door raho inn say

Hamm dil dukhoun kou kyoun chairrtay hou, baqaul Allameh Rasheed Turabi kay, "Agar kisee Sayyedzadee nay baal khoul kay bad d'uaa day dee . . ."

æãÇ ÚáیäÇ ÇáÇáÈáÇÛ ÇáãÈیä

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Zuljian or Alam ka to pooch liya zanjeer, taboot, tabark yeh sub kiyo bhool gaye??

[Rawshni]

^

Chorro Mohib, kyoun aisoun kay munh laggtay hou?

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Sahi ab aisay waisay kay moon nahi lagna chaiyay

Aisay nahi mannay ga meri baat zamana

Matam kay liyay hath uthana he parayga

[Rawshni]

Sachch hai . . . suna hai aik zamaanay mein Shioun kay maatam kee dhamak say inn kee aurtoun kay hamal za'aya hou jaatay thay

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

AWaz say hamal zaya ho jatay hai, alam dekhnay say nikkah toot jata hai... or bhee kafi kuch hota hai.

[alajjal]

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Main new member hoon.Main nay yey topic parha aor main samjhta hoon kay main bhi iss topic say mutaliq apnay khyalat tahreer karoon.

Jafri namm kay jinn Brother nay yey topic start kiya woh yaqenan tareef kay musthaiq hain kiunkay inn brother nay woh baat start ki hay kay jiss ko hum loog khud hain.

Abb main topic ki traf aata hoon.Shia asna ashri ki asal pehchan ilm o adalat rahi hay,magar afsos iss baat ka hay kay hamari society main shiat ko azadri main shamil chand khudsakhta rasoomat say pehchana jata hay.Yey woh khudsakta rasoomat hain kay jinn ki Nass na Quran say milti hay na Aima Masoomen (as) ki seerat say milti hay aor na hi yey aqli daleel say sabit hain.Azadari, waqa karbala kay baad BiBi Zainab (S.A) say laykar Imam Sajjad (as) tak aor phir Imam Sajjad (as) say laykar Imam Zaman (AJF) tak tmam Aima (as) nay ada ki hay aor Aima (as) ki azadari hi hamary liyay Hujjat hay.

Azadari drasal maqsad Hussain ibne Ali(as) ki trweej ka zarea aor zulm kay khilaf ahtejaj ka tareeqa hay.

Hum nay azadri kay maqsad hi ko bhula kar Azadari ko zati mantoon aor muradin mannay kay liyay makhsos kar diya hay.Aor dunya parsti main mubtila hum loog azadri ko bhi apni zati khwahishat ki tkameel kay liyay istemal kar rahay hain.Azadri main shamil chand rasoomat ko hi azadri samjhtay hain.

Azadari main Tashbehat bnana aor unn ka Imam (as) say muhabbat nahi balkay apni hajtoon ko pora karnay kay liyay koi sahara dhondna hay.Hamary kissi Imam (as) nay khabhi nahi kha kay hamary shia hum say koi bhi cheez mansoob kar kay unn say apni hajtain pori kara saktay hain.

Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si

Upnay tanqeed ka khod he jawab diya hai? Ullama-e-Haq bhee keh rehay hai or maan bhee rahey hai kay woh bhee kuch nahi kehtay? Issay zahir nahi hota kay jo ho rahah ai woh haq hai. Is liyay zaroorat is baat key hai kay sophsticated nazar annay key khoaish chor kay upnay he nazariyay ko durast kiya jaye.

[Rawshni]

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si

(wasalam)

Jabb woh loug jinhein hamm 'Ulama-e-Haqq maan rahay hain is parr baat karnay kou tayyaar naheen houtay tou danishmandee kaa taqazaeh yeh hai keh hamm jou 'aalim naheen hain, chupkay baithay rahein, beech iss mas'alay kay naa bolein, aur jin kaa kaam hai unn peh chorre dain

Bilaa wajeh awl fawl bakk kay apnee tazheek karwaanay mein kahaan koyee husn hai? Hai naa?

[Jondab_Azdi]

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Main new member hoon.Main nay yey topic parha aor main samjhta hoon kay main bhi iss topic say mutaliq apnay khyalat tahreer karoon.

Jafri namm kay jinn Brother nay yey topic start kiya woh yaqenan tareef kay musthaiq hain kiunkay inn brother nay woh baat start ki hay kay jiss ko hum loog khud hain.

Abb main topic ki traf aata hoon.Shia asna ashri ki asal pehchan ilm o adalat rahi hay,magar afsos iss baat ka hay kay hamari society main shiat ko azadri main shamil chand khudsakhta rasoomat say pehchana jata hay.Yey woh khudsakta rasoomat hain kay jinn ki Nass na Quran say milti hay na Aima Masoomen (as) ki seerat say milti hay aor na hi yey aqli daleel say sabit hain.Azadari, waqa karbala kay baad BiBi Zainab (S.A) say laykar Imam Sajjad (as) tak aor phir Imam Sajjad (as) say laykar Imam Zaman (AJF) tak tmam Aima (as) nay ada ki hay aor Aima (as) ki azadari hi hamary liyay Hujjat hay.

Azadari drasal maqsad Hussain ibne Ali(as) ki trweej ka zarea aor zulm kay khilaf ahtejaj ka tareeqa hay.

Hum nay azadri kay maqsad hi ko bhula kar Azadari ko zati mantoon aor muradin mannay kay liyay makhsos kar diya hay.Aor dunya parsti main mubtila hum loog azadri ko bhi apni zati khwahishat ki tkameel kay liyay istemal kar rahay hain.Azadri main shamil chand rasoomat ko hi azadri samjhtay hain.

Azadari main Tashbehat bnana aor unn ka Imam (as) say muhabbat nahi balkay apni hajtoon ko pora karnay kay liyay koi sahara dhondna hay.Hamary kissi Imam (as) nay khabhi nahi kha kay hamary shia hum say koi bhi cheez mansoob kar kay unn say apni hajtain pori kara saktay hain.

Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si

Jazakallah, very well said bro.

w/s

[Rawshni]

What is well said?

His satanic diatribe against the azaadaari and azaadaars, or his admission that even 'Ulama-e-Haqq do speak against what he dares call khud sakhta?

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Don't worry Rawshni some people just suffering from acute case of verbal diarrhoea.

[alajjal]

Asslam-o-Alaikum:

Agar hmaray Ulmea apni khuch zati maslehtoon ki waja say khamosh rahain tu kiya yey iss baat par hujjat hu jay gi kay hum jo rasm chahain woh azadri kay namm par shru kar dain. Azadari main shamil inn rasoomat ko kissi Marrajy nay Musthab ammal bhi nahi kaha hay.Balkay Ayuotullah Barojardi nay tu yahan tak kaha kay aisay MUSTAHIB ammal ko bhi tark kar do jiss kay anjam daynay say mazhab-e-ahlaibait ki tazheek huti hu.Jab kay azadari main shamil hamari rasoomat tu sirf aik MUBAH ammal ki hesiyat rakhti hain aor shiayat ki badnami ka baees bhi ban rahi hain.

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

Ullama apni zati maslehatoon key way sah kahmosh hai?? Yeh kaisay ullama hai jo zati maslehatoon key waja say deen key parwa kiya baghair khamohs hogay or ummat ko gumrah honay dey rahey hai? Aisay ullama ko app ulam-e-haq kehtay hai?? Afsoos key baat hai.

Bottom line yeh hai kay ajj kal kay shia educated bannay key koshish mei or kuch ziada he sophisticated nazar annay key koshish mei samjhtay hai kay upnay he deen per aitraz kareygay to bohat bulanad nazar ayee gay. Yeh unki ghalat fehmi hai, jiss ka nateeja unkay khod kay liyay he bura niklay ga.

[Rawshni]

Hadith No.1

The Heat of Husaini Love

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) said:

Surely, there exists in the hearts of the Mu' mineen, with respect to the martyrdom of Husain (A.S.), a heat that never subsides.

Mustadrak al-Wasail, vol. 10,pg. 318

Hadith No.2

A'ashura- A Day of Grief

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

The one for whom the day of A'shura is a day of tragedy, grief and weeping, Allah The Mighty, The Glorious, shall make the Day of Judgment, a day of joy and happiness for him.

Bihar al-Anwar, vol,: 44,pg: 284

Hadith No.3

Muharram - The Month of Mourning

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

With the advent of the month of Muharram, my father Imam Kazim (A.S.) would never be seen laughing; gloom and sadness would overcome him for (the first) ten days of the month; and when the tenth day of the month would dawn, it would be a day of tragedy, grief and weeping for him.

Amaali Saduq, pg,:111

Hadith No.4

Laughing Eyes

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) said:

O' Fatimah! Every eye shall be weeping on the Day of Judgment except the eye which has shed tears over the tragedy of Husain (A.S.) for surely, that eye shall be laughing and shall be given the glad tidings of the bounties and comforts of Paradise.

Bihar al-Anwar, vol,: 44;pg,:293.

Hadith No. 5

Reward of the Martyred Companions

Imam Reza (A.S.) said (to one of his companions):

If you desire that for you be the reward equivalent to that of those martyred along with Husain (A.S.), then whenever you remember him say: 'Oh! Would that I had been with them! A great achievement would I have achieved'.

Wasaail al-Shia'h, vol.14, pg. 502

Hadith No. 6

The Customary Mourning

Abu Haroon al-Makfoof said:

I presented myself before Imam Sadiq (A.S.) whereupon he said to me: "Recite for me a poetry" and so I recited for him. He said "Not in this manner. Recite for me as you recite poems and elegies over the grave of Husain (A.S.)" and so I recited for him (again).

Bihar al-Anwar,Vol.:44, pg.: 287.

Hadith No.7

Reward for Reciting Poetry about Husain (A.S.)

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

There is none who recites poetry about Husain (A.S.) and weeps and makes others weep by means of it, except that Allah makes Paradise incumbent upon him and forgives his sins.

Rijal al-Shaikh al-Tusi, pg.: 289.

Hadith No.8

People of Eulogies and Elegies

Imam Sadiq(A.S.)said:

All praise is for Allah, who has placed amongst the people, those who arrive in our presence, eulogizing us and reciting elegies about us.

Wasail al-Shia'h Vol.: 10, pg.: 469

Hadith No. 9

Poetry Recitation During the Period of Mourning

Imam Reza (A.S.) said (to De'bil, a poet sincereiy devoted to the Ahlul bayt):

I desire that you recite for me poetry, for surely, these days (of the month of Muharram) are the days of grief and sorrow, which have passed over us, Ahlul Bayt.

Mustadrak al-Wasail, vol. 10, pg. 386.

Hadith No. 10

Shi'ites- The Companions and Associates

Imam 'Ali(A.S.) said:

Surely, Allah has chosen for us followers (Shi'ites), who assist us and are happy at our happiness and are sad in our sadness.

Ghurar al-Hikam, Vol: 1/ pg.: 235.

Hadith No. 11

Paradise - The Recompense of A'zadari

Imam 'Ali Ibn al-Husain(A.S) used to say:

Every Mu'min, whose eyes shed tears upon the killing of Husain Ibn' Ali(A.S.) and his companions, such that the tears roll down his cheeks, Allah shall accommodate him in the elevated rooms of paradise.

Yannaabe' al-Mawaddah, pg.: 429.

Hadith No.12

In Remembrance of the Children of Fatimah (A.S.)

Imam Sajjad(A.S.) said:

Surely, I have never brought to mind the martyrdom of the children of Fatimah (A.S.) except that I have been choked with tears due to it.

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 46, Pg.: 109.

Hadith No. 13

Mourning in the Houses

For those unable to go for the ziarat of Imam Husain (A.S.) on the day of A'shura, Imam Baqir (A.S.) mentions the manner of performing A'zadari as follows: He should mourn over Husain (A.S.), weep for him and instruct the members of the house to weep for him. He should establish the mourning ceremony in the house by exhibiting lamentions and grief over him; the people should meet one another in their homes and offer condolences and consolations to each other over the calamities which befell him.

Kaamil al-Ziyaraat, Pg.: 175.

Hadith No. 14

'Ali (A.S.) Weeps Grieving the Martyrs of Karbala

Imam Baqir (A.S.) said:

Amirul Mu'mineen Ali(A.S.), along with two of his companions, happened to pass by Karbala and as he did so, tears filled his eyes. He said (to them), "This is the resting place of their animals; and this is where their luggage shall be laid down; and it is here that their blood shall be shed. Blessed are you O' Earth, that the blood of the beloved shall be spilled upon you."

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 44, pg.: 258

Hadith No. 15

Tears - Barrier of Hell

Imam Baqir (A.S.) said:

He who remembers us, or in whose presence, we are remembered, and (as a result) tears flow from his eyes, even though they may be in the measure of a wing of a mosquito, Allah shall construct for him a house in paradise and make the tears a barrier between him and the fire (of hell).

Al-Ghadeer, Vol.: 2, pg.: 202

Hadith No. 16

Twenty Years of Weeping!

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

As for A'li Ibn al-Husain (A.S.), he cried over Husain (A.S.) for twenty years (after the tragedy of Karbala); never would any food be placed before him except that he would begin to weep.

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 46, Pg.: 108

Hadith No. 17

The Etiquette of Mourning

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

When Ibrahim, the son of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) died, tears filled the eyes of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.), whereupon he said, "The eyes are tearful and the heart is anguished (but) we shall not say anything which shall anger the Lord. Surely we, O' Ibrahim, are grief-stricken for you"

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 22,Pg.: 157.

Hadith No. 18

Tearful Eyes

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

He in whose presence we (and our miseries) are mentioned and, as a result, his eyes pour out tears, Allah shall make his face forbidden upon the fire of hell.

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 44, Pg., 285.

Hadith No. 19

Husaini Gatherings

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said to Fudhail:

Do you sit together, talk and discuss amongst yourselves?

Fudhail replied: Yes.

The Imam then said: I approve of these sittings. So keep our 'issue' (Imamate) alive. May Allah exhibit mercy on those who revive our issue and mission!

Wasail al-Shia'h, vol.:10, Pg.: 392

Hadith No. 20

Invaluable Tears

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said (to Masma', one of those who mourned over Imam Husain (A.S.)):

May Allah have mercy upon your tears! Do know that you are regarded as being of those who are deeply concerned about us and of those who are happy at our happiness and aggrieved at our sorrow.

Do know that you shall witness the presence of my fathers near you at the time of your death.

Wasail al-Shia'h, Vol.: 10, Pg.:397

Hadith No. 21

Scalded Hearts

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) (while sitting on the prayer mat prayed for the mourners and those going for the ziarat of the Ahlul Bayt (A.S.) as follows):

O' Lord, have mercy upon those eyes, which have shed tears in compassion for us; and upon those hearts, which have been restless and blistered for us; and upon those wailings, which have been for us.

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.:98, Pg.:8.

Hadith No. 22

Tears over the Oppressed State of the Shi'ites

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

He whose eyes shed tears for our blood which has been shed, or for our rights which have been usurped, or for the humiliation meted out to us or to one of our Shiites, Allah shall accomodate him in paradise for a long time.

Amali al-Shaikh al-Mufid, Pg.: 175.

Hadith No. 23

Weeping of the Sky

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

O' Zurarah! The sky had cried for forty days over (the martyrdom of) Husain (A.S.)

Mustadrak al-Wasail, vol. 1, pg. 391

Hadith No. 24

The Holy Prophet(S.A.W.) and Weeping over the Martyrs

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

After the news of the martyrdom of Ja'far Ibn Abi Talib (A.S.) and Zaid Ibn Harithah reached the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.), whenever he he entered his house, he would weep profusely for them and say:'' They used to converse with me and were intimate with me and (now) both of them have departed together''.

Man La Yahdhuruhu al-Faqih, Vol.: 1, pg.: 177.

Hadith No. 25

Sympathy for Ahlubayt

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

The breath of one who is aggrieved upon the injustice and oppression subjected to us, is tasbeeh (glorification of Allah), and his concealing our secrets, is jihad in the path of Allah.

The Imam (A.S.) them added: This tradition ought to be written in gold.

Amali al-Shaikh al-Mufid, pg.: 338.

Hadith No. 26

Mourning Angels

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

Allah has appionted to the grave of Imam Husain (A.S.), four thousand anguished and grief-stricken angels, who weep over him (and shall continue to do so) up to the Day of Judgment.

Kamil al-Ziyaraat, pg.: 119.

Hadith No. 27

Weeping over Husain (A.S.)

Imam Reza (A.S.) said (to Reyyan Ibn Shabib):

O' Son of Shabib! If you have to cry over something, then do so over Husain Ibn 'Ali (A.S.) for surely, he was slaughtered in the manner in which a ram is slaughtered.

Bhar al-Anwar/ Vol.: 44/ pg.: 286.

Hadith No.28

Gatherings in Remembrance of the Imams

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

He who sits in a gathering in which our affairs (and our path and aims) are discussed and revived, his heart shall not die on the day (Day of Judgment) when hearts shall die (of fear).

Bihar al-Anwar Vol.: 44, pg.:278

Hadith No. 29

Benefits of Weeping over Husain (A.S.)

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

Those who weep should weep over the likes of Husain (A.S.) for surely, weeping over him does away with one's great sins.

Bihar al-Anwar, Vol.: 44/ pg.: 284.

Hadith No. 30

Forgiveness of Sins

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

O' Son of Shabib! Should you weep for Husain (A.S.) in the measure that tears roll down your cheeks, Allah would forgive all the sins committed by you, whether they be the great sins or the small sins and whether they be meagre or immense.

Amaali al-Saduq, pg.:112.

Hadith No. 31

Intimacy with the Progeny

Imam Reza (A.S.) said (to Ibn Shabib):

O' Son of Shabib! If it makes you happy (and you desire) to be with us in the elevated ranks of paradise, then be sad in our grief and happy at our happiness.

Wasaail al-Shia'h, Vol. 14, pg. 502

Hadith No. 32

Day of Ashura

Imam Reza (A.S.) said:

One who refrains from seeking his (worldly) desires on the day of Ashura, Allah shall grant him his desires of this world and the hereafter.

Wasail al-Shia'h, vol. 14,pg.504.

Hadith No. 33

Pilgrim of Husain (A.S.)

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

The zaair (pilgrim) of Imam Husain (A.S.) turns back (from his pilgrimage) such that not a single sin remains upon him.

Wasail al-shia'h, vol. 14,pg. 422.

Hadith No. 34

Husain (A.S.) Seeks Forgiveness for his Pilgrims

(Regarding someone who goes for pilgrimage to the shrine of Imam Husain (A.S.), Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

One who weeps for Imam Husain (A.S.), surely, the Imam (A.S.) observes him and seeks forgiveness for him and requests his holy fathers to (also) seek forgiveness for him.

Bihar al-Anwar vol. 44,pg. 281

Hadith No. 35

Intercession on the Day of Judgment

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) (said to Hadrat Fatimah (A.S.): On the Day of Judgment, you shall intercede for the ladies and I shall intercede for the men; every person who has wept over the tragedy of Husain (A.S.), we shall take him by the hand and lead him into Paradise.

Bihar al-Anwar vol. 44,pg. 292.

Hadith No.36

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) on Day of Ashura

A'bdullah Ibn Sinaan says:

I arrived in the presence of my master, Imam Sadiq (A.S.) on the day of Ashura and found him pale and grief-stricken, with tears streaming from his eyes like falling pearls.

Musadrak al-wasail,vol.6, pg. 279.

Hadith No.37

Neither Angels nor Prophets

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) said:

(On the Day of Judgment, a group would be seen in the most excellent and honourable of states. They would be asked if they were of the Angels or of the Prophets. In reply they would state): "We are neither Angels nor Prophets but of the indigent ones from the ummah of Muhammad (S.A.W.)". They would then be asked: "How then did you achieve this lofty and honourable status?" They would reply: "We did not perform very many good deeds nor did we pass all the days in a state of fasting or all the nights in a state of worship but yes, we used to offer our (daily) prayers (regularly) and whenever we used to hear the mention of Muhammad (S.A.W.), tears would roll down our cheeks".

Mustadrak al-Wasail, vol. 10, pg. 318.

Hadith No. 38

Visiting the Shrine of Imam Husain (A.S.)

Imam Sadiq (A.S.) said:

He (Imam Husain) sees those, who come to his shrine and he knows them by their names, their father's names and their ranks in the eyes of Allah, The Glorious, better than you know your own children!

Wasaail al-Shia'h, vol. 14, pg. 422.

Hadith No. 39

Isa(Jesus) (A.S.) weeps

Imam A'li (A.S.) said to Ibn A'bbas:

(Once when he happened to pass by Karbala), Isa Jesus (A.S.) sat down and began to weep. His disciples who were observing him, followed suit and began weeping too, but not comprehending the reason for this behaviour, they asked him:"O' Spirit of God! What is it that makes you weep?" Isa Jesus (A.S.) said: "Do you know what land this is?" The disciples replied: "No." He then said: "This is the land on which the son of the Prophet Ahmad (S.A.W.) shall be killed.

Bihar al-Anwar vol. 44,g. 252.

Hadith No. 40

All Creatures Weep over Imam Husain (A.S.)

Abu Baseer narrates that Imam Baqir (A.S.) said:

The humans, the jinn, the birds and the wild beasts (all) mourned and wept over (the tragedy which befell) Husain Ibn A'li (A.S.)

Kaamil al-Ziyaraat, Pg. 79.

Janab Zainab (A.S.), who laid the Foundation of Azadari

Hujjat al-Islam Syed Zaki Baqueri

Daughter of the Holy Prophet's(SAW) daughter. Sister of the King of Martyrs. She is a true role model for any woman today of any religion. She showed the world the definition of womanhood. Her bravery and courage stands alone in a field of millions. She was tied up and taken as a prisoner. She had her scarf ripped off her head, she had her house burned to the ground. She was Janab-e-Zainab.

With a father like Ali, a mother like Fatima, a grandfather like Muhammad and brothers like Hasan and Hussein, Janab-e-Zainab was brought up in a house of God. After losing both her grandfather and her mother at a young age, Janab-e-Zainab spent all her time along side her father. Even after her marriage to her father's nephew, she never left his side. She was and still is a true example for all the wives and the daughters in this world. But her love for her family did not stop there, for she later proved to be the ultimate sister to her loving brother, Imam Hussein(A.S.) in Kerbala.

After the death of her brother on the 10th of Muharram, Janab-e-Zainab became responsible for all the women and the children. After she was taken to Kufa and eventually to Shaam as a tied up prisoner, along with the others, Janab-e-Zainab never stopped preaching the importance of her grandfather's mission. She would constantly remind the people of Kufa who her brother was and what he stood for.

It was in Yazid's Court in Shaam, in front of a crowd of people, where Janab-e-Zainab delivered some historic sermons. The following is an example of such a sermon:

"You have harmed your souls with such terrible deeds that God is angry and you are doomed for eternal torment. You have forfeited the right to laugh and now there is nothing left for you but to mourn and weep. Do you realize that you have shed the blood of the Holy Prophet's successor, Imam Husain, the person who could have been your saviour? Imam Husain, the leader of the Yo

uths of Paradise, was the one you needed for guidance and towards whom you could have turned in your time of need."

Sources say that at the end of her sermons, the majority of the crowd would hide their faces in their hands and cry out of shame. She truly represented Imam Ali's voice in Kerbala. After being tortured in the dungeons of Shaam, Janab-e-Zainab along with Imam Zainul-Abideen(A.S.) were released. After returning to Kerbala and burying the headless bodies, including her own brother's, Janab-e-Zainab returned to Medina. Upon arrival, she went straight to her grandfather's grave telling him the entire story of Kerbala with a river of tears in her eyes.

It was in Medina where Janab-e-Zainab and the Imam who laid the Foundation of Azadari (mourning) for Imam Hussein(A.S.). She used to lay a mat on the ground and have the Imam sit on it and narrate the story of Kerbala while the Qurai[Edited Out]e and Hashemite women would come in their mourning clothes and cry upon hearing the events. The women would cry so much that they would beat themselves in sorrow. After these " Majalises " the women would offer their condolences to Janab-e-Zainab and the Imam. Janab-e-Zainab lived the rest of her life in mourning for her brother.

Bibi Sakina

It was her father who was brutally killed in Kerbala. It was her baby brother who had an arrow shot through his neck. It was her beloved uncle that had both his arms cut off. It was her who spent her last days in a dungeon. The daughter of Imam Hussein(A.S.), the sister of Hazrat Ali Asghar, the niece of Hazrat Abbas Alamdar. She was Bibi Sakina.

The four year old daughter of Imam Hussain(A.S.) was loved by everyone. There was a special bond between Hazrat Abbas and Sakina. He loved her more than he did his own children. If Sakina requested for anything, Hazrat Abbas would not rest until he satisfied her request. There was nothing that Hazrat Abbas would not do to make Sakina happy.

On the night of Ashura, when Imam Hussein(A.S.) and his companions were lying headless in the battlefield, back in the tents, Janab-e-Zainab was gathering all the children and the ladies together. She noticed that little Sakina was missing, panicked and ran out of the tents looking for her. Calling out her name, she searched everywhere. She, then, noticed a man passing by and asked him if he had seen the little girl. He had replied no, but he also added that when he stopped by the river to give his horse some water he heard such a painful cry that his horse stopped drinking. He, then referred her to the direction from which the cries came.

Janab-e-Zainab started walking towards the direction of the battlefield where the bodies lay scattered, headless and bare. She saw Sakina lying on Imam Hussein's chest crying. Janab-e-Zainab asked her, " Oh, Sakina! How did you recognize your father? A person can be recognized by their face or the clothes they wear. Your father has neither. " Sakina replied, " I ran out into the battlefield crying for baba, not knowing which body was his. Then, I heard a voice saying, "Oh Sakina, my daughter, I am here come to me! Then I layed down putting my head on his chest as I used to everynight. " With great pain and difficulty, Janab-e-Zainab seperated Sakina from her father and brought her back to the tents.

After the 10th of Muharram, Imam Zainul-Abideen(A.S.), the women and the children were taken as prisoners to Kufa and Shaam. In the Zindan-e-Shaam (The Dungeons of Shaam) they were given very little food and water. They were forbidden to cry or mourn for their loved ones. Sakina could not control herself as she cried day and night for her father. Yazid ordered her family to make her stop crying to avoid punishment. But, she continued. Then, finally he asked, " What would make her stop crying? " The reply was to send the head of her father so that she may be comforted for the time being.

The head of Imam Hussein(A.S.) was sent into the dungeon as per Sakina's request. She wrapped her arms around his head, put her cheek against his and cried until she collapsed. Janab-e-Zainab summoned Imam Zainul-Abideen(A.S.) to check the status of Sakina as they thought she had fallen unconscious. When the Imam went over to check on his sister, he had noticed she had stopped breathing. That is when he realized that Sakina was no more and buried her in the same ripped, burnt clothes right there in Zindan-e-Shaam.

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

May janab-e-syeda erward you for your efforts.

[Rawshni]

By Syeda Zahra, Advocate

Courtesy of Tehrik e Nifaz e Fiqah e Jaffria, Pakistan

Some anti-Islam internal and external forces present the Fatawa (verdicts) and opinions of Maraje Uzzam with distortion and tempering which is a severe deeni, literary and moral breach of trust. The original verdicts being compiled in this article are with the compiler.

1 Ayatullah Al Uzma Haaj Syed Abul Qasim Moosavi Al Khoie

"performing azadari-e-Imam Hussain (as) is a part & portion of His (as) mission because declaring the zulm (oppression) of zalim (oppressor) and mazloomiyat of mazloom (oppressed) is exactly the Deen."

2 Ayatullah Al Uzma Roohullah Khominie, Rahber-e-Inqalaab-e-Islami Iran

3 "life of nation lies in Azadari. Hazrat Imam Hussain(AS) granted salvation to Islam, and protected its eminence from being trampled by kissing martyrdom. So holding majalis-e-aza to commemorate Hazrat Imam Hussain (as)'s martyrdom is a source of everlastingness and immortality of Islam. Those who oppose these majalis, oppose Islam. They are totally unaware of Islam's reality. It is Azadari-e-Syed-ush- Shuhada (as), which has given protection to Islam till today. Seena zani (beating chest), nohay, lamentation and cries are the very secrets of our success."

4 Ustad-Ul-Fuqaha Wal Mujtahiddeen Ayatullah Al Uzma Muhammad Hussain Al Gharvi An Na'eni, former chancellor Hoza-e-Ilmiya, Najaf-e-Ashraf, Iraq.

People of Basra asked Ustaad ul Fuqaha Ayatullah Al Uzma Muhammad Hussain Na'ini many questions about Sha'a'ir-e-Azadari. The most important question of those was concerning zanjeer zani and quma zani. Ayatullah Na'ini first explained the greatness and importance of Azadari in these words:

"The coming out of Azadari processions on roads and paths in Ashra-e-Aashoor (ten days) and on other similar occasions is from among those amoor, in the legality of which there is no doubt. Rather this is the most evident source and most prominent inclination from among the mazahir of Azadari-e-Mazloom. It is the easiest way for the promotion of Imam Hussain's mission and Deen's completion."

Afterwards he answered the query about Quma zani and zanjeer zani, which is as under:

To commemorate Hazrat Imam Hussain A.S.

There is no ambiguity in slapping the face and beating the chest to this extent that they (face and chest) become red or black but also to perform zanjeer zani on the shoulders and back is legal. But if the blood appears or comes out due to slapping and beating, it's also lawful and right. As far as taking the blood out from forehead with swords etc is concerned, its legality is aqwa with the condition of being saved from harm and just to take the blood out from forehead with out causing harm to bone that is not harmful habitually. Because those who know how to use these (zanjeer, quma and sword) use it in such a manner which doesn't cause harm to the bone. If at the time of taking the blood out he is sure of being safe from harm and by chance gets harm then it will be like that person who performs ablution or takes bath instead of performing dry ablution (tayammam) for he thinks that water will not harmful for him or a person who keeps fast considering himself healthy and that keeping fast will not harm him, but afterwards water or fast appears to be harmful for him, this will not be Haraam. As a precautionary measure, only those perform it who could. And those, who being subdued with the love and grief of Ghareeb-e-Karbala could not know that where the zanjeer and sword is hitting, should avoid. [bMay Allah give them firmness with qoal issaabit in this world and the hereafter."

5 Ayatullah Abdullah Majeed Faqeehi Barojurdi

"All marasim-e-aza are from among the sha'a'ir Allah (signs of Allah). And to respect sha'a'ir Allah is piety."

6 Ayatullah Syed Muhammad Ali Kazmaini Barojurdi

"Marasim-e-Aza (azadari rites) are not only mustahab (desirable) rather they are obligatory."

7 Ayatullah Al Musleh Al Sheikh Muhammad Hussain Aal Kashif Ul Ghita

"By God, azadari is the gate of ample blessings of Allah, and the boat of salvation (kashti-e-najat) which protects from every destruction and trouble. Who is he and what sort of power is that, which could shut this open gate of Divine blessings and intercept this great mean & source, which leads towards Allah"

8 Ayatullah Al Uzma Syed Mohsin Tabatabae Hakeem

"performing azadari is a source of connection with the Guides of deen, of verdure and fertility of emaan, elevation and magnificence of deen and expression of Sha'a'ir-e-Deen (signs of religion). If these amoor-e-azadari (majalis-e-aza, mourning, azadari processions, matam, zanjeer zani and quma zani etc) are not to be performed, irreligiousness would get popularization".

9 Ayatullah Al Uzma Gulpaigani

"Due to the blessings of Azadari, people get awareness of their rights. It is a source, by dint of which mission of Hazrat Imam Hussain (as) and the aim of Risaalat (prophet hood) is being revived. In fact Azadari is Deen (religion). The pure and sinless Aaimmah (as) had said: "perform Azadari-e-Imam Hussain(AS) to stand against tyranny and despotism". This is Azadari which gave birth to the biggest revolutions, shaked the basis of palaces of tyranny of Umayyad rule, redressed the grievance of oppressed and rooted out the oppressor."

10 Ayatullah Al Uzma Mamqani

"These are the rites of Azadari, by virtue of which thousands of misled have become righteous."

11 Ayatullah Al Uzma Haaj Syed Mohammad Haadi Meelani

" Azadari and its rites only are the most important means of promotion and thrive ness of deen. Which one is that pen which could duly and properly write down the supremacy, praise, virtues and the effects of His (as) qayaam? Khandaan-e-Ismat-o- Taharat is a divine sign from among the divine signs and Imam Hussain (as) is the mazloom son of that mazloom father that no one is there to take their qisas but Allah."

12 Ayatullah Al Uzma Syed Abdullah Sherazi

" Rites of Azadari of Ahle-Bayt-e-Ismat- o-Taharat (as) are from among the most important sha'air-e-deeniya (signs of deen) and are the excellent and most prominent deeds which will provide ground for more and more reward in Akhira (the hereafter). These lead the whole Muslim nation in general and shia nation in particular towards the achievement of great success and creation of revolutions."

13 Ayatullah Al Haaj Syed Abdul Aala Sabzwari

" The respect, promotion and eternity of sha'air-e-Hussainiyat (Hussaini signs) is from among the most powerful and important means of liberation because Rites of Azadari are from sha'air Allah (signs of Allah)"

14 Ayatullah Syed Mirza Al Khurasaani Al Ha'eri

"Performing Azadari-e-Imam Hussain (as)----all of this is from the desired sources of nearness to Allah, a great success and eternal reward in this world and the hereafter, and whatever has been said or written against it, it is nothing but venom spitting of Ummayad and enmity of marvanis. Revival of sha'air's (signs) respect is the promotion of Islam, presevation of Islamic signs and manifestation of Islamic lights."

15 Ayatullah Syed Muhammad Jawad Tabatabai Tabrezi

"Azadari Rites of Hazrat Imam Hussain Ibn-e-Ali (as) in whatever manner they are, all are the more effective means for Islam's greatness, magnificence and protection. For that very reason enemies of Islam are making ambush but they are not able to snatch this great dawat (invitation) from the people."

16 Ayatullah Al Uzma Muhammad Bin Al Mehdi Hussaini Sherazi

"Azadari of Imam Hussain (as) is the very base of our religion and we want to protect Islam through it. Azadari rites are the sources of salvation for weak and helpless people from tyrant rulers. In whatever manner, sha'air-e-Hussaini are, they are superior and source of sawaab (reward)"

17 Ayatullah Ali Al Hussain Al Asfahani Al Faani

"We consider matam and sha'air-e- Hussainia the nearest means for nearness to Allah Almighty and reaching towards Rasool (peace of Allah be upon him and his progeny) and Aaimmah Huda (as) because through it mission of these sinless guides get revived. Thrive ness of divine message and promotion of Ahkaam-e-sharia is the fruit of performing Sha'air-e-Hussaini. It creates unity and harmony in the ranks. I consider these sha'air a reply to istaghasa-e-Imam-e- Mazloom (as)"

18. Ayatullah Al-Uzma Aqae Al Haaj Syed Muhammad Sadiq Roohaani

"Azadari is an effective weapon against oppression. Azadari processions are a source from among the Hussaini sources and a gate from among the gates of Heaven (Jannat). Qayaam of Syed-ush-shuhada (as) and His sacred sacrifices happened to be the source of religion's revival after its destruction .if it was not being done then there would be nothing remained of Islam but its name and of Quran but just a written thing."

19 Ayatullah Sheikh Muhammad Raza Tibsi Nahfi

"All rites of azadari are religious signs (sha'a'ir), and to respect sha'a'ir Allah is a sign of piety of hearts."

20 Ayatullah Syed Muhammad Waheedi Tabrezi

"It should not be hidden that in praising Hazrat Imam Hussain (as), describing the factors of His Qayaam (coming out), lamenting over His (as) sufferings, and in holding majalis such a great reward lies that the tongue and pen are unable to describe it. To respect the Azadari rites is a religious want and a source of reward. Weak and helpless of the world could be get freed by virtue of these azadari rites."

Abb hamein koyee yeh bataaye keh sabb bozurg kyaa maslehat-been, buzdil aur ryaakaar thay?

[labbaik_khamenai]

(salam)

Bhai Jahan tak mera ilm hai ... Zuljinahs and tazias are like road signs.. misal k tour par hum Karachi say Hyderabad Jatay hain , shoro main hamay rasta nahi maloom hota hai , but agar frequent traveller ban jayain toa rasta yaad hojata hai or phir zaroorat nahi hoti hai , no doubt yay cheezain mazhab ki taraf attract kerti hain , magar jab hum pakkay hojatay hain toa us say agay ki stage par ayo or un par ghour kero

PS : I AM NOT TALKING AGAINST ALAM , ZULJINA OR TAZIA .. Mera ghar main khud alam laga hoa hai and the only house in Coventry ( West Midlands , UK ) jahan ghar k ooper alam laga hoa hai and saves me from lot of Gunahs ..the point is why not excel ourselves in Ahkaam , sharia and other subjects

Peace

Edited August 27, 2008 by labbaik_khamenai

[Rawshni]

Wajebaat kay baghayr mustahabat kee adaaegee kee koyee ahmiyyat naheen hai; magar tawazan zutooree hai.

Misaal kay taur par, saal bharr mein, harr namaaz kay b'aad masajed mein majlis naheen hotee, laikin agar Moharram kee chaand raat say 8 Rabi ul Awwal takk aisa kiya jaataa hai, harr fardh kay b'aad mukhtasar see majlis karr lee jaatee rahaytou thawaab hee thawaab hai . . . hai naa

Incholi waalay hou tou ghar peh 'alam tou hou gaa hee, kuchch bhee hou jaaye