Iraq War

[kathum]

(salam) :)

I would like to ask how far justifiable has the war in iraq been. Do you think that america and its Allies have been sucesfull in

there operations in iraq,do you belive that the war will eventually allow iraq to build a strong econmy and society for iraq to expand or wll it allow the west to exploit iraqi resorces and leave it in war.

thanks

[strawberry]

lol Saying that America and its allies have been successful in Iraq is a JOKE.

[dingdong]

^Really? :unsure: my Iraqi neighbour told us that Iraq is now much better and safe and all and only a few areas are unsafe because of Iran and Saudi Arabia's influence clashing over there.

[kathum]

lol Saying that America and its allies have been successful in Iraq is a JOKE.

(salam) :)

well what makes you say this?

[glieswayz]

I've been in Iraq ....

I went to most cities in the south ... really it is aloooooooooooooot better and safer..

and I ask those who say it is not safer and better .. I ask them to go there and see it with their eyes.

I dont want to say America won the war... but what I will say is that the Iraqis are the winners in all this... because no one can say that it was better when saddam was leading Iraq with fire.

wa alsalam

[noraNAJAF]

it may be safer, alhamdulillah, but its still not totally safe. theres obviously still bombings going on all the time, but its worth Saddam-the-rat not being in charge. if America leaves Iraq right now though, another country'll invade it. i hope one day Iraq will be free though...but right now it doesnt seem possible.

America has been a bit successful though...getting rid of Saddam was an amazing move. now, when these dirty terrorists get out, Iraq can rebuild itself. but you know, all of these wars in Iraq have made Iraqi's strong. they just need a chance.

[sarajlici]

it may be safer, alhamdulillah, but its still not totally safe. theres obviously still bombings going on all the time, but its worth Saddam-the-rat not being in charge. if America leaves Iraq right now though, another country'll invade it. i hope one day Iraq will be free though...but right now it doesnt seem possible.

America has been a bit successful though...getting rid of Saddam was an amazing move. now, when these dirty terrorists get out, Iraq can rebuild itself. but you know, all of these wars in Iraq have made Iraqi's strong. they just need a chance.

It is sad that, given the suffering that Iraqis have gone through, the present state of things seem "stable." Arming Sunni militias is not a good policy. Building walls like in Palestine is not good policy. Sure many "awakened" Sunnis may have turned against alqaeda but if anyone thinks this war is over they are sadly mistaken. I just hope Iraq does not remain a pupet state forever. Yet, people, just like here in the US, love security more than freedom.

[sarajlici]

it may be safer, alhamdulillah, but its still not totally safe. theres obviously still bombings going on all the time, but its worth Saddam-the-rat not being in charge. if America leaves Iraq right now though, another country'll invade it. i hope one day Iraq will be free though...but right now it doesnt seem possible.

America has been a bit successful though...getting rid of Saddam was an amazing move. now, when these dirty terrorists get out, Iraq can rebuild itself. but you know, all of these wars in Iraq have made Iraqi's strong. they just need a chance.

It is sad that, given the suffering that Iraqis have gone through, the present state of things seem "stable." Arming Sunni militias is not a good policy. Building walls like in Palestine is not good policy. Sure many "awakened" Sunnis may have turned against alqaeda but if anyone thinks this war is over they are sadly mistaken. I just hope Iraq does not remain a pupet state forever. Yet, people, just like here in the US, love security more than freedom.

[noraNAJAF]

It is sad that, given the suffering that Iraqis have gone through, the present state of things seem "stable." Arming Sunni militias is not a good policy. Building walls like in Palestine is not good policy. Sure many "awakened" Sunnis may have turned against alqaeda but if anyone thinks this war is over they are sadly mistaken. I just hope Iraq does not remain a pupet state forever. Yet, people, just like here in the US, love security more than freedom.

Iraq has to be controlled by another country. in all of history, not once has Iraq been left alone. other countries want its exports, its tourism stream, etc etc. and Iraq is an easy target- its like a country with hopeless dreams. most of my family in Iraq think America's there to stay for at least another century. and then what? Iraq'll be taken over all over again... :donno:

[sarajlici]

Iraq has to be controlled by another country. in all of history, not once has Iraq been left alone. other countries want its exports, its tourism stream, etc etc. and Iraq is an easy target- its like a country with hopeless dreams. most of my family in Iraq think America's there to stay for at least another century. and then what? Iraq'll be taken over all over again... :donno:

(salam)

Iraq has a glorious, extremely ancient, history of great culture and empires. It is also the place that gave us the Wheel and Writing. I am afraid that they will try to stay for a hundred years, but inshallah they will not. I find it deplorable that the muslims love to hate each other and this is why we are in the situation we are in. I hate to say it.

[Haji 2003]

At the end of every calendar year the British government releases 10 year old classified documents ...
 

Quote

Tony Blair’s Labour government explored a plan to “break” the Opec oil cartel in order to keep fuel prices low, declassified documents show. In late 2002, Jeremy Heywood, then principal private secretary to Blair, discussed using “a change of regime” in Iraq to flood the global oil market as a policy option, the papers reveal.

https://www.ft.com/content/d5986848-400b-4932-a556-3a502aeb6975

[Haji 2003]

American justification for the invasion

Pathetic really.

 

[Haji 2003]

Compare to this ...

 

[Haji 2003]

Why the US invaded Iraq ...

 

[PureExistence1]

On 3/21/2023 at 12:35 PM, Haji 2003 said:

American justification for the invasion

Pathetic really.

 

Omg, i tried...i REALLY tried to listen to this guys "stuff", but i just couldnt...totally disgusting and cant believe anyone ever bought his...trash...but people did..and still do. And some think it was a failure, but it wasnt-they accomplished exactly what was planned, and at the end played the " We had benevolent intentions but based on our ignorance of the people/place,/culture, it went awry"...lol... and people bought this even though its the typical playbook..ugh.

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 3/24/2023 at 6:08 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Why the US invaded Iraq ...

 

Bhaijan, don't circulate Talha Abdulrazaq's content or give any credence to his opinion. He's a vile nasibi and an ISIS sympathizer. 

I'll dig up the evidence and post it here later. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

26 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Bhaijan, don't circulate Talha Abdulrazaq's content or give any credence to his opinion. He's a vile nasibi and an ISIS sympathizer. 

I'll dig up the evidence and post it here later. 

 

 

[Haji 2003]

22 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Bhaijan, don't circulate Talha Abdulrazaq's content or give any credence to his opinion. He's a vile nasibi and an ISIS sympathizer. 

I appreciate what you are saying, but in this instance, he's circulating a piece of information which is interesting and it also comes from a source that is significant. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

I appreciate what you are saying, but in this instance, he's circulating a piece of information which is interesting and it also comes from a source that is significant. 

I am skeptical about the second part of the claim. It may be a calculated move to rachet up pro-Saddam sentiments; now that he's gone a little bit of praise doesn't matter, and since it suits his agenda he found it apt to publicize it. 

The oil monarchies might have had their reason to want Saddam to be gone, but they'd prefer him to remain in power as opposed to a Shi'i dominated Iraq, and hence the posthumous praise; what also makes this claim unpalatable is that beyond his support for Arafat an al-Fatah, he wasn't in a position to pose much threat to Israel. 

People like Talha Abdulrazaq have an agenda of pushing pro-Saddam sentiments in guise of anti-war ones, so one must be aware of their underlying aim and stratagem, this is all I want to caution against. 

[Haji 2003]

21 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

It may be a calculated move to rachet up pro-Saddam sentiments

True. But on the other hand, a point that you will hardly ever encounter being expressed (although it is very obviously true) is Israeli support for the war and the Qatari ex FM does that.