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Where Does Imam Mahdi Live?

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Anyone?

what do u mean by "where does he live ?", he is over here and every where ,he knows everything about us as he is olil amr, and he can be at many places "physically" at the same time , like his grandfather Imam Ali alehsalam

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well the people who believing this thing is very silly because bermuda is fake story and is big myth and there are plane flying over there every day. you people must be watching LOST too much and you too have become lost in the brain.

we should not know where Imam [a] live because if we do then he is not in real ghaiba then is he? you would have annoying people nock on his door all the time and waste his time.

Psyops we are just trying to discuss and find out nothing more, so theres no need to be mean and say we "have become lost in the brain"

you could have made your point in a polite way rather than call people lost in the brain while they'r trying to seek some knowledge of islam!!

anyway what i've heard is that were not supoosed to know where the imam is and we shouldn't even try to either because he's in ghaiyba and that is the purpose of being in ghaiyba, people not knowing where he is!

but only GOD

Imam Mehdi (a.s) clearly cannot be seen therefore we cant be certain as to where he lives.

But I have a book on about the bermuda triangle and it is possible that he may live there.

It shows that many people have made reference to the green island and white waters.

Likewise, Imam Mehdi (a.s) wouldnt be swallowing them people up, it is known we cannot see him regardless until Allah permits him to appear.

I think it does tie in within Bermuda Triangle alot, but if I am wrong, please correct me, and may Allah forgive me.

That is what i thought before but i'm not too sure about that...

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Where Does Imam Mahdi Live?

Simple, in every Momin/Momina heart.

Well said!

And as someone said above there is a reason he is in Ghaiba.

Edited by abba

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well maybe if we knew he wouldent be in ghaibat.

hes in ghaibat guys only some very pious people see him and even thier stories never really become publiclly involved.

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(salam)

ÇáäøóÈöíøõ Ãóæúáóì ÈöÇáúãõÄúãöäöíäó ãöäú ÃóäÝõÓöåöãú {6}

[Yusufali 33:6] The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves

[Pickthal 33:6] The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves

If the Prophet is closer to us, and has authorithy on ourselves, so does the Current Imam (as).

Even though the Current Imam (as) is hidden from us, spiritually he is closer to us then our ownselves.

Even though Imam Hussain (as) is not physically with us, his Holy Spirit can be with us ...during Ashura...by remembring him...willing to sacrifice for his cause. Indeed, those people who heart is very close to Imam Hussain (as) will always cry during ashura...or will always cry when Imam Hussain (as) name is mentioned...or will be very brave in fighting when Imam Hussain name is mentioned (like the Hezbollah fighters in South Lebonan).

The question where does Imam Mahdi live?...the answer is in this world. Very very close to us.

Layman

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^You want me to answer your doubt? It's important for you to address it, because without having belief in him, your salaah is void, your fast is void, your Hajj is void, your worship is void etc.

Sorry to be blunt.

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the level of certainity that you have reached has been dictated to you thru the books you read...or has it been of your own accord???

Not the books but the verses and traditions of the Ahlul Bayt (A).

I never said we should not question, but all I suggested was to address the doubt, because this is not the first time the sister has raised doubts/assertions regarding belief in Imam Mahdi (ATF).

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He lives in the Islamic countries. :)

There were many men from Prophets, Salaheen, and others that went into occultation to save them from the hands of their enemies. It is said that even AhlulKhuf will come out with Imam (as) since the Holy Quran associate their occultation to Imam Mahdi (as).

Bermuda triangle is the place of Dajal since it's located in the Atlantic ocean which is very near to US. Do you have doubt in that?

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^You want me to answer your doubt? It's important for you to address it, because without having belief in him, your salaah is void, your fast is void, your Hajj is void, your worship is void etc.

Sorry to be blunt.

lol, that was cute. Nah you dont need to believe in imam mahdi for your salat to be batil. Ask any jurist. If imam mahdi exists right now, and is living among us, i would really like for him to take charge.

When it comes to what the Quran says about the end times, its very simple. "the righteous will inherit the earth". How it'll occur could be through a messiah. I mean ANYTHING is possible really. Allah's miracles are unlimited. But for me, i really think the narrations are unsatisfying and blown wayyyyy out of proportion. So i have trust issues, personally.

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lol, that was cute. Nah you dont need to believe in imam mahdi for your salat to be batil. Ask any jurist. If imam mahdi exists right now, and is living among us, i would really like for him to take charge.

Actually, it's not a matter of 'cute-ness'. And as far as I know, it's not a matter of jurisprudence either, but aqeedah and all your acts are void if you do not believe in him.

2. Condition for the Acceptance of Acts of Devotion.

He said: Abul Hasan Ali b. Muhammad b. Al-Zubair al-Kufi reported to me, with permission to report from Abul Hasan Ali b. Faddhal, who reported from Ali b. Asbat who reported from Muhammad b. Yahya, the brother of Mughallas, from al-Ula b. Razin, from Muhammad b. Muslim, from one of the two (Imams), peace be upon them, saying that:

I told him: "We see a man deeply engrossed in the acts of devotion, humble and trying his best (to please Allah), yet he is opposed to you. Does that benefit him anything?"

He said: "O Muhammad, the similitude of us Ahlul Bait is like that of a household among Banu Israel, of whom whoever strived devotedly for forty nights, his prayer was answered." Among them there was one who strenuously worshipped for forty nights and his prayer went unanswered. So he came to Isa, son of Maryam, peace be upon him, complaining about the situation he was in, and beseeching him to pray for him. So Isa made ablutions, and prayed. Allah revealed unto him: "O Isa, surely, this servant of mine came through a gate other than the one through which I am reached. He prayed while his heart had doubts about you. So, (even) if he called upon me till his neck were severed and his fingers fell apart, I would not answer him."

Then Isa approached him and said: "You call upon your Lord while your heart doubts His Prophet?"

He said: "O Spirit of Allah, and His word, by Allah, it was like what you said. Now, please pray unto Him to remove that from me." Then Isa prayed (for him) and Allah accepted it from him, and he was again reverted to his household.

Similar is the case of us Ahlul Bait. Allah does not accept the acts of devotion from a servant who doubts about us.

People say, if God exists, He would take charge but I still see you having firm faith in Him. I'm curious - on what basis do you have faith in Him but not His Proof?

When it comes to what the Quran says about the end times, its very simple. "the righteous will inherit the earth". How it'll occur could be through a messiah. I mean ANYTHING is possible really. Allah's miracles are unlimited. But for me, i really think the narrations are unsatisfying and blown wayyyyy out of proportion. So i have trust issues, personally.

Do you really think the Prophet (S) has not explained who are these 'righteous' people mentioned in the Qur'an? Or has he left it to the people to interpret it as they want?

I don't think the narrations are blown way out of proportion. They are clear-cut traditions and if you believe the Aimmah (A) are the ones entrusted with the job of interpreting the Qur'an and no one else, then they have explained plethora of verses concerning their descendant, al-Mahdi (ATF).

Oh well, no offense sister, but I'm disappointed and find that yet another Shi'a (and an intelligent one at that) disbelieving in the Imam (ATF) and this is surely one of the prophecies of the end of the time gradually coming true.

Imam al-Kadhim (as) said, "When the fifth (offspring) from the seventh of the Imams disappears, then, I adjure you by Allah to watch for your religion so that no one would take it away from you. Without doubt, there shall be an occultation for the holder of this matter until such time that (most) people who believe in his Imamat would leave their belief. Verily this (occultation) is but a test by Allah, the Glorious, for his creation."

Kitab al-Ghaiba, al-Tusi, p337; al-Kafi, v1, p336, Hadith 2; Bihar al-Anwar, v52, p113, Hadith 26.

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He lives in the Islamic countries

Erm was that a joke??? Cuz it was quite funny!!!! And if you mean IRAN ......jiggah please!!

He is everywhere.....if you can say "YA ALI MADAD" and Imam Ali (a.s) comes to your assistance then don't you think your living Imam can come to where you are? Wherever you may need him...he's there. He's not in a set place. Somethin like the Lone ranger....

And Maryam, we all want him to come and rule, but don't you think one of the reasons for his ghaiba is because God gave us 124,000 propehets and 11 Imams before him , and look how the people abused them all.......

reminds me of somethin Nakshawanizzle said ...he said imagine you have a candle put in your room...it's the only source of light, but some muppet comes an blows it out, so someone gives you another candle....and the same happens with that..so much so, that you get 11 chances......and you keep blowing them out.........so the generous person whose been giving you those candles finally says....ALRIGHT.......THATS HOW YOU WANNA PLAY IT??????????????? THIS LAST CANDLE YOU AINT GETTIN UNTIL YOU PROVE YOURSELF......AM TAKING IT AWAY AND YOU CAN LIVE IN THE DARKNESS TILL YOU FIX UP!!!

YA GET ME

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He lives in the Islamic countries. :)

There were many men from Prophets, Salaheen, and others that went into occultation to save them from the hands of their enemies. It is said that even AhlulKhuf will come out with Imam (as) since the Holy Quran associate their occultation to Imam Mahdi (as) .

Bermuda triangle is the place of Dajal since it's located in the Atlantic ocean which is very near to US. Do you have doubt in that?

What does "AhlulKhuf" mean??

maybe your right!

ok lets say imam mahdi isnt occulated in bermuda triangle but it seems like something is, maybe dajjal like you say??

bermuda triangle is confusing!! :wacko: :wacko:

And Maryam, we all want him to come and rule, but don't you think one of the reasons for his ghaiba is because God gave us 124,000 propehets and 11 Imams before him , and look how the people abused them all.......

reminds me of somethin Nakshawanizzle said ...he said imagine you have a candle put in your room...it's the only source of light, but some muppet comes an blows it out, so someone gives you another candle....and the same happens with that..so much so, that you get 11 chances......and you keep blowing them out.........so the generous person whose been giving you those candles finally says....ALRIGHT.......THATS HOW YOU WANNA PLAY IT??????????????? THIS LAST CANDLE YOU AINT GETTIN UNTIL YOU PROVE YOURSELF......AM TAKING IT AWAY AND YOU CAN LIVE IN THE DARKNESS TILL YOU FIX UP!!!

Nice example! ^_^ ^_^

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Actually, it's not a matter of 'cute-ness'. And as far as I know, it's not a matter of jurisprudence either, but aqeedah and all your acts are void if you do not believe in him.

Aww spizo dont hate on me, im a good person really. The topic of imam mahdi used to intrigue my fantasies when i was younger, now it just doesnt make much sense to me after studying the narrations.

2. Condition for the Acceptance of Acts of Devotion.

He said: Abul Hasan Ali b. Muhammad b. Al-Zubair al-Kufi reported to me, with permission to report from Abul Hasan Ali b. Faddhal, who reported from Ali b. Asbat who reported from Muhammad b. Yahya, the brother of Mughallas, from al-Ula b. Razin, from Muhammad b. Muslim, from one of the two (Imams), peace be upon them, saying that:

I told him: "We see a man deeply engrossed in the acts of devotion, humble and trying his best (to please Allah), yet he is opposed to you. Does that benefit him anything?"

He said: "O Muhammad, the similitude of us Ahlul Bait is like that of a household among Banu Israel, of whom whoever strived devotedly for forty nights, his prayer was answered." Among them there was one who strenuously worshipped for forty nights and his prayer went unanswered. So he came to Isa, son of Maryam, peace be upon him, complaining about the situation he was in, and beseeching him to pray for him. So Isa made ablutions, and prayed. Allah revealed unto him: "O Isa, surely, this servant of mine came through a gate other than the one through which I am reached. He prayed while his heart had doubts about you. So, (even) if he called upon me till his neck were severed and his fingers fell apart, I would not answer him."

Then Isa approached him and said: "You call upon your Lord while your heart doubts His Prophet?"

He said: "O Spirit of Allah, and His word, by Allah, it was like what you said. Now, please pray unto Him to remove that from me." Then Isa prayed (for him) and Allah accepted it from him, and he was again reverted to his household.

Similar is the case of us Ahlul Bait. Allah does not accept the acts of devotion from a servant who doubts about us.

I never said he didnt exist.... you see i think Allah ordered him into ghayba and then he passed away like normal human beings do.

People say, if God exists, He would take charge but I still see you having firm faith in Him. I'm curious - on what basis do you have faith in Him but not His Proof?

See Spizo, i think nature is immutable, ie, Allah's constraints on the dimensions of our universe should be consistent in terms of human nature. Not that Allah cant change them, but that he mentions an observed order as predicted in the Quran UNTIL the day of judgment. And since we are not there yet, i will hold onto the belief that an Imam is not living among us in the usual sense. If he's in another dimension, than allahu a3lam. But i dont think he exists among us, really... since if he did, I will complain to Allah on the day of judgment that he was among us but not working towards the muslim ummah on a consistent front, as an imam should be held accountable to the generation or generations he lived among. "Everyone will be raised with his or her Imam"... my imam is not among me and i dont have access to him meaning it serves me no purpose to believe in him existing either way. Therefore, it must be logical to conclude that the Quran and sunnat al rasoul and ahlul bayt are enough to keep my plate full as i continue towards sirat al mostaqeem.

Do you really think the Prophet (S) has not explained who are these 'righteous' people mentioned in the Qur'an? Or has he left it to the people to interpret it as they want?

We are left to interpret as we wish all the time without a guardian overlooking our interpretations.

I don't think the narrations are blown way out of proportion. They are clear-cut traditions and if you believe the Aimmah (A) are the ones entrusted with the job of interpreting the Qur'an and no one else, then they have explained plethora of verses concerning their descendant, al-Mahdi (ATF).

I believe he existed. I might be wrong with this implication, but believing otherwise just gives me a headache and conflicts with a lot of my beliefs in the justice of Allah (swt)

Oh well, no offense sister, but I'm disappointed and find that yet another Shi'a (and an intelligent one at that) disbelieving in the Imam (ATF) and this is surely one of the prophecies of the end of the time gradually coming true.

Dont get me wrong, if belief in imam mahdi gets you closer to Allah swt, then by all means believe in salvation and the concept of hope. For me, it would be so nice to have an imam come back and if he does, thats truly a blessing for us. For me, i usually use whats left of ahlul bayts epic, their articulate supplications, the narrations about their morals and akhlaq and relationship with Allah (swt) to help me attain a grip onto their rope. They are an eternal legacy that when i think of them, a smile comes to my face.

Imam al-Kadhim (as) said, "When the fifth (offspring) from the seventh of the Imams disappears, then, I adjure you by Allah to watch for your religion so that no one would take it away from you. Without doubt, there shall be an occultation for the holder of this matter until such time that (most) people who believe in his Imamat would leave their belief. Verily this (occultation) is but a test by Allah, the Glorious, for his creation."

Kitab al-Ghaiba, al-Tusi, p337; al-Kafi, v1, p336, Hadith 2; Bihar al-Anwar, v52, p113, Hadith 26.

Nice Hadith. Sounds whimsical, and metaphorical in english, do you have it in arabic, i want to look up the chain.

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Aww spizo dont hate on me, im a good person really. The topic of imam mahdi used to intrigue my fantasies when i was younger, now it just doesnt make much sense to me after studying the narrations.

Lol, Maryam, I never said you were a bad person. It really depends on how you studied the narrations.

I never said he didnt exist.... you see i think Allah ordered him into ghayba and then he passed away like normal human beings do.

A perfect apt hadith to this:

Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (p) said:

“Know that he will remain in occultation for a while and will be forgotten (by people) until they say: “He has died! He has been killed! To which valley has he gone?” And oh, the eyes of the believers will shed tears for him.”

Ghaybah al-Nu’mani, 152 & 153.

See Spizo, i think nature is immutable, ie, Allah's constraints on the dimensions of our universe should be consistent in terms of human nature. Not that Allah cant change them, but that he mentions an observed order as predicted in the Quran UNTIL the day of judgment. And since we are not there yet, i will hold onto the belief that an Imam is not living among us in the usual sense. If he's in another dimension, than allahu a3lam. But i dont think he exists among us, really... since if he did, I will complain to Allah on the day of judgment that he was among us but not working towards the muslim ummah on a consistent front, as an imam should be held accountable to the generation or generations he lived among. "Everyone will be raised with his or her Imam"... my imam is not among me and i dont have access to him meaning it serves me no purpose to believe in him existing either way. Therefore, it must be logical to conclude that the Quran and sunnat al rasoul and ahlul bayt are enough to keep my plate full as i continue towards sirat al mostaqeem.

Well, you see Maryam, I could have answered with the oft-quoted hadith of the Prophet (S) of the people benefitting from the Imam (A) as they benefit from the sun behind the clouds (if you want Allamah Majlisi's explanation on it, you can read it here). But this time, I'll link you to an explanation (#7) which elucidated the role of the Imam (A) really well.

To quote a part of it:

Each and every one of us is a recepient of the Divine Mercies and Graces and amongst this is guidance, because it is inseparable from existence as in the verse quoted earlier. How recepient our hearts are to this guidance in reality determine how much we are guided and benefit from the Imam.

So in reality, it depends on your faith and your heart being recipient to the guidance of the Imam (A).

Second, you did Hajj this year I see. Do you think you would/could have performed these acts of worship had not Imam (ATF) been present?

Perhaps, if you believed in him, you would have been bestowed with tawfeeq to see him at Hajj.

Third, on the point of consistency, if you believe that we are without a guide right now, don't you think Allah (SWT) is "inconsistent" in this matter because for every nation He sent a guide, as the verse says, but for us, we are to do without him?

Fourth, when you say, 'i will hold onto the belief that an Imam is not living among us in the usual sense.' I would like to know what you mean by 'usual sense'?

We are left to interpret as we wish all the time without a guardian overlooking our interpretations.

I'll take this as a joke although it's not in good taste.

I believe he existed. I might be wrong with this implication, but believing otherwise just gives me a headache and conflicts with a lot of my beliefs in the justice of Allah (swt)

I don't see how it goes against the justice of Allah (SWT). in fact, to me, denial of belief in Mahdi (ATF) goes against the justice of Allah (SWT). What do you think of the hadith: the earth would have been destroyed without an Imam?

Dont get me wrong, if belief in imam mahdi gets you closer to Allah swt, then by all means believe in salvation and the concept of hope. For me, it would be so nice to have an imam come back and if he does, thats truly a blessing for us. For me, i usually use whats left of ahlul bayts epic, their articulate supplications, the narrations about their morals and akhlaq and relationship with Allah (swt) to help me attain a grip onto their rope. They are an eternal legacy that when i think of them, a smile comes to my face.

Sister, hadn't it been for the Imam of our time (ATF), these legacies wouldn't have existed for us to read. Do you really believe that there's no Hujjah right now on earth? That we are left without guidance after the Imam (ATF) supposedly died, according to you? Then I really wonder what's the difference between such a belief and Sunni beliefs.

If you can practise the Hajj rituals following the verses and the ahadith; if you can pray as prescribed in the traditions on how to pray, I don't know how you cannot accept the fact of al-Mahdi (ATF) as presented in the traditions.

You said you recited the articulate supplications, do you recite Dua-e-Nudba? or Dua-e-Ahd? or Dua-e-Faraj? or Ziyarat-e-Ale Yasin? or the simple ones like Dua-e-Ma'arefat? Or Dua-e-Ghareeq? Or do you skip through these supplications because they mention him and his reappearance?

Nice Hadith. Sounds whimsical, and metaphorical in english, do you have it in arabic, i want to look up the chain.

Nice hadith indeed and plenty to learn from it. It's quite clear as far as I understand all the more so because I'm witnessing the prophecy coming true.

The Arabic:

ÓÚÏ Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå Úä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÚíÓì ÇáÚáæí Úä ÃÈíå Úä ÌÏå Úä Úáí Èä ÌÚÝÑ Úä ÃÎíå ãæÓì Èä ÌÚÝÑ ÞÇá ÅÐÇ ÝÞÏ ÇáÎÇãÓ ãä æáÏ ÇáÓÇÈÚ ãä ÇáÃÆãÉ ÝÇááå Çááå Ýí ÃÏíÇäßã áÇ íÒíáäßã ÚäåÇ ÃÍÏ íÇ Èäí Åäå áÇ ÈÏ áÕÇÍÈ åÐÇ ÇáÃãÑ ãä ÛíÈÉ ÍÊì íÑÌÚ Úä åÐÇ ÇáÃãÑ ãä ßÇä íÞæá Èå ÅäãÇ åí ãÍäÉ ãä Çááå ÇãÊÍä Çááå ÈåÇ ÎáÞå

Here's another one:

ÇáÚØÇÑ Úä ÓÚÏ Úä ãæÓì Èä ÌÚÝÑ ÇáÈÛÏÇÏí ÞÇá ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ãÍãÏ ÇáÍÓä Èä Úáí Ú íÞæá ßÃäí Èßã æ ÞÏ ÇÎÊáÝÊã ÈÚÏí Ýí ÇáÎáÝ ãäí ÃãÇ Åä ÇáãÞÑ ÈÇáÃÆãÉ ÈÚÏ ÑÓæá Çááå ÇáãäßÑ áæáÏí ßãä ÃÞÑ ÈÌãíÚ ÃäÈíÇÁ Çááå æ ÑÓáå Ëã ÃäßÑ äÈæÉ ãÍãÏ ÑÓæá Çááå Õ æ ÇáãäßÑ áÑÓæá Çááå Õ ßãä ÃäßÑ ÌãíÚ ÇáÃäÈíÇÁ áÃä ØÇÚÉ ÂÎÑäÇ ßØÇÚÉ ÃæáäÇ æ ÇáãäßÑ áÂÎÑäÇ ßÇáãäßÑ áÃæáäÇ ÃãÇ Åä áæáÏí ÛíÈÉ íÑÊÇÈ ÝíåÇ ÇáäÇÓ ÅáÇ ãä ÚÕãå Çááå ÚÒ æ Ìá

Musa al-Baghdadi narrated:

I heard Imam Hasan al-Askari (the eleventh Imam) saying, "I see that you will differ after me concerning my successor. Whoever accepts the Imams after the Apostle of Allah (PBUH&HF) but denies my son is like a person who accepted all the Prophets and the Apostles but denied the prophethood of Muhammad, the Apostle of Allah (PBUH&HF). And whoever denies (Muhammad) the Apostle of Allah (PBUH&HF) is like one who has denied all the Prophets. This is because obeying the last of us is like obeying the first of us and denying the last of us is like denying the first of us. Beware! Verily, for my son there shall be an occultation during which all people shall fall into doubt except those whom Allah protects."

Kamal al-Din, p409, Hadith 8; Bihar al-Anwar, v51, p160, Hadith 6

Edited by SpIzo

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I never said he didnt exist.... you see i think Allah ordered him into ghayba and then he passed away like normal human beings do.

maryam who said he passed away, he didnt pass away, he just went in ghayba when he was young

[Edit - I fixed your quotes :) ]

Edited by BintAlHoda

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See Spizo, i think nature is immutable, ie, Allah's constraints on the dimensions of our universe should be consistent in terms of human nature. Not that Allah cant change them, but that he mentions an observed order as predicted in the Quran UNTIL the day of judgment. And since we are not there yet, i will hold onto the belief that an Imam is not living among us in the usual sense. If he's in another dimension, than allahu a3lam. But i dont think he exists among us, really... since if he did, I will complain to Allah on the day of judgment that he was among us but not working towards the muslim ummah on a consistent front, as an imam should be held accountable to the generation or generations he lived among. "Everyone will be raised with his or her Imam"... my imam is not among me and i dont have access to him meaning it serves me no purpose to believe in him existing either way. Therefore, it must be logical to conclude that the Quran and sunnat al rasoul and ahlul bayt are enough to keep my plate full as i continue towards sirat al mostaqeem.

(salam)

I am trying to understand your view.

According to you "We supposed to believe and follow the existing Imam (A) but at the same time where is him (A)? I don't see Him (A). What I have is only the written sunnah from Ahlulbayt, and these are what I can see...therefore I will follow it."

Just like Musa (A) in the past, he wanted to see Allah swt with his eyes.

In Qur'an (you see it written), it is said that to be a Muttaqi we must believe in unseen

[shakir 2:1] Alif Lam Mim.

[shakir 2:2] This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).

[shakir 2:3] Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.

There are many things that are unseen such Angels, Past, History, Future, Hell, Heaven, Musa (A), Isa (A)...because our eyes can't see. But they do exist!

When Rasul (pbuh) was at battle of Badr, the Angels was fighting alongside with the Muslim fighters. They eyes can't see.

In reality, the world is a battlefield between good and evil, haq and bathil.... all of it are unseen. We can't see with our eyes the reality of good, and we can't see the reality of evil. We also can't see the reality of haq and bathil either.

Many of so-called companions who lived with the Prophet (pbuh) and they only saw the physical Muhammad, but they failed to see the Prophet (pbuh). Aisha and Hafsa lived in the house with Muhammad, also failed to see the Prophet (pbuh), despite the Prophet is Muhammad, and Muhammad is the Prophet (surah Tahrim). They conspired against the Prophet (A).

The world exist in two realities: physical and spiritual. Tauhid, Prophethood and Imamate are all NON-PHYSICAL. The unseens are more important than the seens.

When we go to Makkah, did we see Baitullah (House of Allah swt) or only physical Kaabah? If we see Baitullah and feel the house of Allah swt, then we are welcome to be in HIS house. If not, we are just don't understand the reality of Baitullah.

Whether Imam Zaman is physically with us or not...the reality is that He is spiritually with all of us. He is helping all of us in the struggle for success of the ummah. It is just that some of us failed to see it.

Again, the reality of struggle is between "haq and bathil", and not between Musa (A) and Fir'aun.

Layman

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(salam)

I am trying to understand your view.

According to you "We supposed to believe and follow the existing Imam (A) but at the same time where is him (A)? I don't see Him (A). What I have is only the written sunnah from Ahlulbayt, and these are what I can see...therefore I will follow it."

Just like Musa (A) in the past, he wanted to see Allah swt with his eyes.

In Qur'an (you see it written), it is said that to be a Muttaqi we must believe in unseen

[shakir 2:1] Alif Lam Mim.

[shakir 2:2] This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).

[shakir 2:3] Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.

There are many things that are unseen such Angels, Past, History, Future, Hell, Heaven, Musa (A), Isa (A)...because our eyes can't see. But they do exist!

When Rasul (pbuh) was at battle of Badr, the Angels was fighting alongside with the Muslim fighters. They eyes can't see.

In reality, the world is a battlefield between good and evil, haq and bathil.... all of it are unseen. We can't see with our eyes the reality of good, and we can't see the reality of evil. We also can't see the reality of haq and bathil either.

Many of so-called companions who lived with the Prophet (pbuh) and they only saw the physical Muhammad, but they failed to see the Prophet (pbuh) . Aisha and Hafsa lived in the house with Muhammad, also failed to see the Prophet (pbuh) , despite the Prophet is Muhammad, and Muhammad is the Prophet (surah Tahrim). They conspired against the Prophet (A).

The world exist in two realities: physical and spiritual. Tauhid, Prophethood and Imamate are all NON-PHYSICAL. The unseens are more important than the seens.

When we go to Makkah, did we see Baitullah (House of Allah swt) or only physical Kaabah? If we see Baitullah and feel the house of Allah swt, then we are welcome to be in HIS house. If not, we are just don't understand the reality of Baitullah.

Whether Imam Zaman is physically with us or not...the reality is that He is spiritually with all of us. He is helping all of us in the struggle for success of the ummah. It is just that some of us failed to see it.

Again, the reality of struggle is between "haq and bathil", and not between Musa (A) and Fir'aun.

Layman

Nicely explained layman :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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(salam)

Personally, it is not hard for me to believe in the living-existence of Imam Al Mahdi(ajt) seeing that Jesus son of Mary (as) is still alive. For Allah swt nothing is impossible. We don't know where the Imam is. Also, we are not aware of where the soul goes when human body dies. These are some of the things mentioned in the Holy Quran

Alif. Lam. Mim. There is no doubt that this book is a guide for the pious who believe in the unseen, attend to prayer, give in charity part of what We have granted them (Chapter 2 verse 1-3)

Please have a look at this book here Al-Imam al-Mahdi, The Just Leader of Humanity

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(salam)

Aww spizo dont hate on me, im a good person really. The topic of imam mahdi used to intrigue my fantasies when i was younger, now it just doesnt make much sense to me after studying the narrations.

if you don't mind me asking, how does it not make sense after studying the narrations?

there are innumerable narrations both among the sunni and the shi'a that the mahdi will come at the end of time and bring justice to the world.

as you know, the sunnis believe he has not been born yet.

as you know, the shi'a believe he has been born and went into ghayba.

if someone is willing to take at least some of these hadith as sahih, it seems more logical that they would (at least) take the sunni position that imam mahdi will be born in the future. because there are so many narrations saying that he will arise.

of course, from a linguistic standpoint, we shi'a support the view that he already exists because all of the narrations - even the sunni ones - refer to him "appearing", not "being born". and because we have hadith about his birth and his ghayba.

there is a book called "al-ghayba" published by ansariyan which has a lot of collected shi'a hadith (in arabic and their translations).

or if you prefer, al-islam.org has a listing of some of the sunni hadith as well as other hadith pertaining to the end of the world.

on a personal level, i never used to give much thought to imam zaman. i accepted the belief but saw him more as someone who was relevant to the end of the world, not to now. for some reason, that started to change, and i wanted to try to develop some sort of spiritual relationship with the living imam. (given of course that i believe in him - obviously if you don't believe then that is different) i've seen enough small miracles surrounding ahlul bayt and their remembrance and their places of rest to have very strong faith that ahl al bayt still exert a spiritual presence in the world and that tawassul through them is a means to Allah. i've also had some dreams about ahlul bayt where they told me things that would happen in my life and it came out to be true shortly. those things are small but they increase your faith. because i've had a lot of challenges the past few years, on the advice of someone, i started to write letters to imam zaman about my difficulties. i have to say that in most cases, i saw an answer very quickly, even in some things that seemed impossible. so that gave me a stronger sense of personal faith. of course, that is not logical; it is just experiential and could be fallible. but for me it has given me a stronger sense of his presence in the world.

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I came across a debate between Shaykh Saduq [RA] and a denier who denied the existence of Imam Mahdi (ATF) but believed in Allah (SWT). Since it is similar to the arguments given here, thought would share it:

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Denier: I cannot believe in an Imam who I cannot see. And until the time I don't see him, his mastership is not acceptable to me.

Shaikh Sadooq (r.a.): Then it is equally imperative for you to admit that even Allah's Authority is not acceptable to you since you have not seen Him either. Similarly, even the authority of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) is not mandatory on you since you have not seen him.

Irritated at this strong argument, the denier turned towards Rukn al-Daulah and addressed him thus:

Denier: O Amir, just look at what the Shaikh is saying that Imam is not seen because Allah too is not visible?!

Rukn Al Daulah: You have distorted his statement and alleged something totally misleading to him. This is an indication of your defeat and an admission of your helplessness and loss of face.'

Similarly, those who argue with us about our Imam (a.t.f.s.) resort to all kinds of inane and illogical arguments which are lame attempts to mislead the common folks.

(Kamaluddin Wa Tamamun Nemah, Shaikh Sadooq (r.a.), foreword pg 87-88, Persian Translation, vol. 1, pg 179-180, Urdu translation, vol. 1, pg 110, 111)

http://www.almuntazar.com/?section=Shabaan...amp;article=223

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No one knows where he lives except for Allah(swt) but some people believe he is at the Bermuda Triangle. According to the stories of the Bermudda Triangle, ships and planes have never been able to cross over, they will somehow crash and never make it over. So some think that The Imam is protected there. A couple weeks ago I was watching the Discovery Channel and to my surprise it was about the Bermuda Triangle. They conducted a couple of tests and this is what they think.....

"One explanation for the mysterious disappearance of entire ships could be large pockets of gas which are common on the sea bed in the area. When the gas rises to the surface they dissolve in the water, decreasing the buoyancy and causing ships to sink." Also, when the gas reaches the air it can go high enough to the height of a plane and when it enters the engine, it fails and crashes.

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Hello to everyone well tis is my first ever opinion on any topic.

What do I think is that any place which is hidden on this earth ofcourse. This is for sure that he IMAM meets to those people who are true Momin. Well the thougt of Bermuda is possible & that is what I believe in as well. A thought here I read that if we knew it would not have been a secret more. Ofcourse but what about such a place where no one went like BERMUDA. It may possible that there is an existance of any island with in the area of Bermuda where no one can reach.

But this is all what we think or believe as Allah know it better what we can do is to do good deeds and try ourselves to become as good that IMAM come to us to meet us.

MAY ALL OF US BECOME SO LUCKEY!

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i've heard that theres this place on earth, where no one can ever go and if they did they never returned!

many planes have tried to cross over the island/sea but have not been sucessful and crashed! because of that they had to change the plane routes!

now i'm curious about this island/sea, maybe imam mahdi (ajf) is there, that is why nothing has ever been able to enter that place!

can anyone look into this and let me know which place this is, i asked my dad and he said its somewhere near africa or something!

:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

Its the bermuda triangle.. :Hijabi:

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bismillah,

salam

good luck finding out. As far as I am aware according to narrations its no one place, and imam Mehdi (aj) is amongst us the same way nabi Yusuf (as) was amongst his brothers in egypt, but we don't recognise him just the same way they didn't recognise their own brother, who was right in front of them.

how well does your brother know you? Thats how well he knows us. Most of us will probably pay too much attention to this world to bother paying attention enough to notice him back :cry:

ws.

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