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Fresh Face Of Electronic Media In Pakistan


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Indian ' Devdas ' mein madhuri shahrukh khan ki taraf dekh kar totay(jis nay mosoofa ko thong maari) say farmati hain,' hum nay tum say pyaar kiya aur tum nay hamhi pay waar kiya'

Musharraf gov yay credit laiti hai kay private channels ko hum nay licence diyay aur is tarah electronic media ko aazad kiya.channels walay kehtay hain kay gov ka koi ehsaan nahi hai balkay yay aazadi ham nay cheeni hai.nuqta-e-nigah kuch bhi ho,ab yay jinn botal say bahar aa gaya hai aur is ka pehla nishana madhuri yaeni hakoomat hi bani hai.

Chief justice kay case mein gov nay electronic media par ball-to-ball commentry karnay aur logon ko hizyani kayfiyat mein mubtala karnay ka ilzam lagaya jabkay laal masjid ki coverage par aisa koi aetraz na karnay par dr shahid masood na bilkul theek kaha kay lagta hai ab hakoomat ko bullet-to-bullet commentry par koi aetraz nahi hai.

Meri naaqis raye mein,electronic media ka naya roll +ive ziyadah hai aur is mein negativity kam hai.socio-political aur religious discussions bohat enlightening hain aur log bohat speedily seekh rahay hain in say.

Thorra sa element of exaggeration attached hai in channels kay saath,yaeni channels walay thorra ziyadah chorra ho gaye hain aur kisi ko khannay kay liye taeyyaar nahi hain.meray khayal mein abhi bachchay ko naya naya khilona mila hai,chand din to is say din raat khailay ga and only then the dust will settle down.

aap log pakistani media ka yay naya chehra kis terha dekhtay hain?

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Of all the commentators/presenters, I love Talat Hussain the most. He's articulate, no-nonsense, natural, witty, a bit cynical, presentable, in other words, a perfect media personality. Hamid mir always sounds like an upstart, Kamran khan has personality problems, Dr. Masood sounds fake, PJ mir etc. are big mouths. Of course mr. Hussain isn't a product of the new media wave, but I still regard him as the face of the new media. The other personality I like is Nusrat javed, but for different reasons. Baqi sub aiween hain, esp newscasters.

And btw. I HATE the 'good milk' ad, almost as much as the 'talk shalk' one..

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What about the anchor of 'jawab-deh' ? his tone is a bit rude,but the questions are pinching for sure.im not remembering his name unluckily?

LOL@Good milk+talk shawk

You dont seem to be democratic anymore because majority of the ppl loves these adds.

Democracy => demose+crace => peoples governament.

you aret inlined with the majority here,are you undemocratic in this way? tell me about it ! :D

Thats exactly why i consider these vote-counts a barrier in the way of principles.since the leader has to take care of the aspirations of the ppl,so either less or more,he would have to surrender against their wishes.thus crushing down many of the principle stands in the meanwhile.

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What about the anchor of 'jawab-deh' ? his tone is a bit rude,but the questions are pinching for sure.im not remembering his name unluckily?

LOL@Good milk+talk shawk

You dont seem to be democratic anymore because majority of the ppl loves these adds.

Democracy => demose+crace => peoples governament.

you aret inlined with the majority here,are you undemocratic in this way? tell me about it ! :D

Thats exactly why i consider these vote-counts a barrier in the way of principles.since the leader has to take care of the aspirations of the ppl,so either less or more,he would have to surrender against their wishes.thus crushing down many of the principle stands in the meanwhile.

jawab-deh walay banday ke personality utni polished nahi. Talat is suave and has a biting sense of humor.

Good milk wali larki has such a retarded expression, I almost feel scared of that product.

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'Musharraf gov yay credit laiti hai kay private channels ko hum nay licence diyay aur is tarah electronic media ko aazad kiya.channels walay kehtay hain kay gov ka koi ehsaan nahi hai balkay yay aazadi ham nay cheeni hai.nuqta-e-nigah kuch bhi ho,ab yay jinn botal say bahar aa gaya hai aur is ka pehla nishana madhuri yaeni hakoomat hi bani hai.'

Musharraf ki governement ne koi ehsaan nahi kiya hai pakistni logoon per free media de kar kiunke agar ab woh is ko aram aur izzat kay sath accept na kartey tou koob jhottey katey aur koob mar daar kay bad beizzat ho janay kay bad accept karna hi parta is lia un ne easy way out ko prefer kartey hua han kar dia free media.

Jo log 24+ hours tak pvt channels ko band kar dein live footage deknay se parhez karein woh kia kiaaak free media kay supporters hoon gey.

Musharraf kay fauji camp mein ab us jasey jahil aur wassi zafar jasey behaya afrad baki hain aur koi nahi. Allah in dono aur pakistani awam ki jald mushkil hal karey aur Musharaf ko apney paas bula laey.

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Random kism kay logoon kay paas zaroorat say zyada power aa gayey hai. Isey mauqa kay liyey kehtay hain "Allah ganjay ko nakhun na dey." Har aadmi apni concpiracy theory promote kar raha hai, aik drama hai jo chal raha hai aur log mehzooz ho rahay hain. Maulan Hali ka aik shair yaad aa gaya:

Tamanaoon may uljhaya gaya hoon

Khilonay dey k behlaya gaya hoon

Doosra misra iss guftugu say mumasilat rakhta hai.

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Yeh, I also liked Talat Hussain.. laiken ab kia woh ARY per ata hay?

Hamid Mir is good too, in the sense that he has 'inside information' and it makes the show more interesting.

Aur yaqeenan, media ko azad karne ka sehra Musharraf ko he jata hay. Issey pehle humne dekha ke tv per kia hota tha. balke akhbaraat me bhi kia hota tha (Jang jesa akhbar almost band karwa dia tha Nawaz Shareef nay).

Yeh sab faalto me kisi na-pasandedah shaqs ko jaiz credit na denay wali batein hain ke 'humne to azadi cheeni hay, mili nahi hamein.. aur deta nahi to jotay maar ke letay.. " blah blah... licencing private television networks was one of Musharraf's intial, top agendas.

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Yeh, I also liked Talat Hussain.. laiken ab kia woh ARY per ata hay?

Hamid Mir is good too, in the sense that he has 'inside information' and it makes the show more interesting.

Aur yaqeenan, media ko azad karne ka sehra Musharraf ko he jata hay. Issey pehle humne dekha ke tv per kia hota tha. balke akhbaraat me bhi kia hota tha (Jang jesa akhbar almost band karwa dia tha Nawaz Shareef nay).

Yeh sab faalto me kisi na-pasandedah shaqs ko jaiz credit na denay wali batein hain ke 'humne to azadi cheeni hay, mili nahi hamein.. aur deta nahi to jotay maar ke letay.. " blah blah... licencing private television networks was one of Musharraf's intial, top agendas.

Peer

Talat works for Aaj only AFAIK.

Hamid mir sounds like a blackmailer type of journalist to me. Plus his english/urdu leave a lot to be desired.

As for media freedom, despite all the scrutiny, mein shart lagaanay ko tayyaar hoon, aglay Elections mein bhee wohi ghissay pitay chehray jeetain gai. May be Imran will bag a few more seats, warna nateeja wohi dhaak kay teen paat.

America mein saari aazadi kay bawajood G W logon ke aankh mein dhool jhonk kay 2 dafa president elect ho gaya. Tum pakistan say kia ummeed lagaey baithay ho? yeh sub topi drama hay aur kuch nahi..

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^Ohk. Me us waqt dekha tha jab woh PTV per ata tha khabarnamay ke baad.

Jee, ab kia kar sakte hain.. hamaray log hain he jahil, Altaf Hussain jesay bhi bewaqoof bana letay hain.

Me nay media ke baray me bola tha. Aapko bhi yaad hoga sirf aik PTV tha jo hukumat ki numaindigi karta tha and that's it. Nawaz-CJ tanaziye me Sajjad Ali Shah ke cartoons bana ker paish kartay thay ajeeb ajeeb. Musharraf-CJ tanaziy me aapne dekha kia kia television walo'n nay.

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Yeh sab faalto me kisi na-pasandedah shaqs ko jaiz credit na denay wali batein hain ke 'humne to azadi cheeni hay, mili nahi hamein.. aur deta nahi to jotay maar ke letay.. " blah blah... licencing private television networks was one of Musharraf's intial, top agendas.

Exactly !! perhay likhay jaahil ler gaye hain ..... aik banday say meri behas horahi thi....keh kis tarah us nay bahir say paisa laa ker mulk main inject kiya aur kidher kidher awam per kherch kiya..... mujhe kehta hay, tau woh paisa us keh baap ka hay ? :D Bhaee banda puuchay, us kay baap ka nahen tau tumharay baap ka hay ? Aik banda danday kay zore per tumhara hukamraan ban gaya..... us wakt tum chup thay kionke bebas thay.....ab wohi banda tumharay sath woh bhallay keray jo politicians nahen kersakay, tau tum chawlein maaro keh yeh tau humara right tha jo humain nah milta tau cheen ker lay letay ! Tau main phir utaar luun ga chappal aur annay waa.......aaho !!

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Meri samajh mein yay nahi aata kay in siyasi leaders ko talk-shows mein baat karnay ki tameez kab aaye gi? abhi apna argument day kar beth-tay hain aur jab doosra apna point-of-view paish karnay lagta hai tou in say suna nahi jaata aur yay beech mein chikh-chikh karnay lagtay hain.aik hi waqt mein teen-teen,chaar-chaar afraad bolnay lagtay hain aur kisi ki baat samajh nahi aati.jab yay karorron logon kay samnay tameez say baat nahi kar saktay tou aapas/akailay mein beth kar political dialogue kya khaak karain gay? ulta in ka tarz-e-amal dekh kar party-lines par in kay followers bhi bigarr rahay hain.

TV-anchors nay bhi naya nikala hai...

jab talk-shows mein yay mukhtalif-ul-khayal afraad ulajhnay lagtay hain tou woh bjaye soorat-e-haal ko control karnay kay,khamosh(less-intervening) reh kar inkay clashes ka maza laitay hain.kashif abbasi(aaj channel) aur hamid meer(GEO) ka naam aata hai is catagory mein....

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Haa`n tou hamain western blind-following tou nahi karni,zara tahammul say doosray ka nuqta-e-nigah sunnay mein harj hi kya hai? ikhtalaf tou baad mein bhi kiya jaa sakta hai.imran tou baqayeda pehlu badalna shruu kar daita hai. :D

Hamid meer is basically a ppp-jiyala from his inner core.i have been reading his ariticles in Benazirs favour in jang newspaper.jab GEO kay islamabad offoce par police action hua tha tou police walay hamid ko ghaseet-tay huay gate tak lay gaye thay. :D

Talat is certainly better than meer.i dont know this,but i got this feeling that talat has been trained for this post.i took this impression from his interview with musharraf on GEO.his face-expression fluctuated beyond normal conditions.

Waisay i dont like this,i think the media personals are degrading political figures while interviewing them.isnt it ?

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I got no reason to disagree with you.

Its the primary phase for pakistani electronic media.they have achieved their independance recently,it will take some time before it grabs maturity levels.im pretty much hopeful.

Btw what does the word ' mahila ' means? i got my doubt that its a tamil word,because mahila jayewardne is a sri lankan cricket player.

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(salam) bhaio mairae khayal main media kee azaadi bohat see tabdiliyaan layee hai. Agar media azaad na hota toe shayad CJ ka case itna mashhoor na hota orr na hee wukla kee struggle koe itnee projection miltee. Atleast abb aisa zaroor hoe raha hai kae beemaree kee tashkheess hoe rahee hai pehlae kee tarha sach chuppaya nahin ja raha. Mairae khayaal main beemaree kae ilaaj kee pehlee stage beemari kee tashkhees hotee hai orr abb media kee azadi sae kam az kam beemari ka pata chalnae laga hai orr hoe sakta hai hamaree society uss ka ilaaj bhee karnae lagae. Let us hope for the best. Aik orr baat hai abb joe bhee future main government aayae gee ussae media ka mukabla karna mushkil lagae ga. Nawaz Sharief orr Benazir koe shayad andaza nahin kae abb woe media koe uss tarha paband na kar sakain gae jaisae pahlae apnee governments main kartae thae. Oppostion ka koee bayaan taq na ata tha. Khabarnama Wazeer e Azam naam ya government nama hota tha laikin abb tanqeed bhee hoe gee orr corruption expose bhee hoe gee inshallah.

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I got no reason to disagree with you.

Its the primary phase for pakistani electronic media.they have achieved their independance recently,it will take some time before it grabs maturity levels.im pretty much hopeful.

Btw what does the word ' mahila ' means? i got my doubt that its a tamil word,because mahila jayewardne is a sri lankan cricket player.

Mahila in hindi means aurat

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Haa`n tou hamain western blind-following tou nahi karni,zara tahammul say doosray ka nuqta-e-nigah sunnay mein harj hi kya hai? ikhtalaf tou baad mein bhi kiya jaa sakta hai.imran tou baqayeda pehlu badalna shruu kar daita hai. :D

Hamid meer is basically a ppp-jiyala from his inner core.i have been reading his ariticles in Benazirs favour in jang newspaper.jab GEO kay islamabad offoce par police action hua tha tou police walay hamid ko ghaseet-tay huay gate tak lay gaye thay. :D

Talat is certainly better than meer.i dont know this,but i got this feeling that talat has been trained for this post.i took this impression from his interview with musharraf on GEO.his face-expression fluctuated beyond normal conditions.

Waisay i dont like this,i think the media personals are degrading political figures while interviewing them.isnt it ?

Tatat started his career with the Nation, and has the typical Nawa-e-Waqt mindset. At heart both the brother's are pro establishment.

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Tatat started his career with the Nation, and has the typical Nawa-e-Waqt mindset. At heart both the brother's are pro establishment.

Working under some organisation for a while doest ensure that the person would not differ with the primary institution later..i think talat is more unbiased than any local anchor today.

Another enlightening factor is the addition of a few very competent female anchors into electronic media especially from CNBC.these female anchors(unluckily i dont know their names) discuss the basics of stock exchange with great authority.

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A significant dimension of this free media is the availability of instantaneous and less biased news coverage of local interest.before this we had to resort to the channels like BBC and CNN for for the corners not explored on national tv(ptv) because the pakistani regime didt wish to broadcast it.not only this,even the foreign channels have their bias and preferences about pakistan.whenever theres some bad news,like sectarian killing,suicide bombing,they would broadcast it with immidiate effect,otherwise they wouldt take the trouble even if we win the world cup or would broadcast it as a minimal story.

One thing more..

Clearly PTV has lost many of its regular viewers due to the private channels.what do you think that is it trying to improve itself now in the current scenerio or simply lying in the same state with no change whatsoever?

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.....ab wohi banda tumharay sath woh bhallay keray jo politicians nahen kersakay, tau tum chawlein maaro keh yeh tau humara right tha jo humain nah milta tau cheen ker lay letay ! Tau main phir utaar luun ga chappal aur annay waa.......aaho !!

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Sau fee sadd ghalat baat hai.Pehlay tou yeh daikho yeh paisa bana kaisey. Imports aur exports kaa gap kitnaa hai? Home remittances kee documented tarseel mein 9/11 kay b'aad kitany hazaar fee sadd izafeh huwa hai? Bairooni qarzoun kee rescheduling kee wajeh say kitnaa forex bachch rahaa hai? October 2005 kay zalzalay kay b'aad kitnaa paisa baahar say aaya? Kitnee public sector enterprises kaurryoun kay daam baichee gayeen?

50 rupay kee cheez 3 rupay rishwat lay karr dou rupay baich mein dayna aur phir keh dayna hamm nay forex reserves 16 billion dollars say oopar pohanchaa diye, barra aasaan hai, jabb takk hukumat mein hain.

Kisee din tou hukumat jaaye gee fauj kee, phir daikhna.

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Media exploring a new dimension during these talk shows....

They are now showing the previous videos of the person under discussion or even the person present in the talk show..here are some examples,

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Ahmed raza qusuri(the gov lawyer) was sitting in " capital talk " with hamid meer.hamid requested the programme management to run a previous video of qusuri in wich he not only blamed the lawyer community to have received bribes to run their compaign,but also claimed to give proof in future.

Now Hamid meer asked qusuri if he had been successful in collecting those proofs? and qusuri got furious because he had nothing to reply.

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opposition lawyer akram sheikh was sitting with hamid again.participants were discussing the after-effects of courts verdict wich fell in favour of musharraf.ali muhammed kurds words came under discussion also.

Now exactly when akram sheikh tried to defend kurd,hamid requested the programme manager to run kurds video in wich he said, " mein daikhta hoon kay kal aap ko court coverage ki ijazat kaisay nahin milti,kal yahan yay chief election comissioner hi nahi ho ga."

Immidiately the video started playing,Akram sheikh had no other option left but to smile with his face pointing sideways.. :D

One thing wich kaashif abbasi(ARY) did really horrible in his programme in collaboration with khwaja asif of PML_N .a gov minister was also sitting in the talk-show and khwaha asif asked the minister to put his hand on the holly Quran and declare that nawaz sharif had gone to jaddah with his free-will(the minister claimed to be the case).this situation was pre-planned because khwaja asif immidiately put his hand on the holly book wich was lying in the shelf on his back and started this dramma.Clearly khwaja knew exactly where the holly quran was lying.

Now even a child of pakistan knows that nawaz had been sent back by the gov subjecting to his under-taking,but to make this thing prominant,usage of Quran was certainly an unpleasant thing to do.these talk shows are certainly held to streamline vision of viewers,but no oath-takings should on the cards.its the very difference of a court-room and a discussion forum.i condemn this behaviour.nobody should take the impression that im siding with the minister,who lied without any doubt.

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Its confirmed that there are some stupids sitting besides musharraf who dont got vision/common sense to realise the delicate relation between gov and the media.not every problem could be sorted out through show of power.

Peer, asif

this isn't the 1st time the govt has done that. Mushy claims to be leading the country toward democracy, yet you see how he hates protests and the coverage thereof. Another thing that I can tell you upfront: there will be massive rigging in the elections, if they ever happen. Pakistan (or rather Mushy) it seems prefer the Egyptian model over the Turkish one. No-one will raise a finger even if the rigging is confirmed, just like they didn't do zilch about the recent Egyptian 'elections'. So much for democracy. And btw Im FOR democracy, even if it means getting out of your comfort zone of the Army's protection for shias. This is because I believe Pakistani society is not anti-shia and any true representatives of people won't be so either. The killings of shias in the past happened with the connivance or even active involvement of our runaway intelligence agencies. These intelligence agencies cannot replay their shenanigans so easily, in my opinion, if the civilian setup is truly sovereign (and the international consensus is to go easy on shias and isolate the wahabis , atleast in the short run).

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this isn't the 1st time the govt has done that. Mushy claims to be leading the country toward democracy, yet you see how he hates protests and the coverage thereof. Another thing that I can tell you upfront: there will be massive rigging in the elections, if they ever happen. Pakistan (or rather Mushy) it seems prefer the Egyptian model over the Turkish one. So much for democracy.

Shahji, I don't think either of us is supporting this action by the government.

I still think that if Pakistani media is independent and free today, credit goes to Musharraf.

Now it's another debate that it should be freer than it is.

If Mush is to rig the upcoming elections, why all those talks with BB? Why not re-elect, what was termed during last elections, the "King's party?"

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this isn't the 1st time the govt has done that. Mushy claims to be leading the country toward democracy, yet you see how he hates protests and the coverage thereof. Another thing that I can tell you upfront: there will be massive rigging in the elections, if they ever happen. Pakistan (or rather Mushy) it seems prefer the Egyptian model over the Turkish one. So much for democracy.

If you can realise this,theres a clear division among gov ranks about how to deal with different issues.

The first group represents the techanical-hand,ie the skilled overseas pakistanis group(wich musharraf called-them-in for countrys sake) wich was meant to collaborate with some resident local elements to reflect musharrafs agenda of reforms.

The second group represented the local politicians,undisplined,having the casual pakistani egg-shell mentality.this group was represented by chauhdries and their allies.

Now there started this rift between these groups to coup with different things.the local group had majority as they were providing grass-root cover to musharraf,they hagimonise often and turn the tables of musharrafs agenda by force.not entering into an alliance with benazir(this time) was one example shown on part of chauhdries to dominate over musharrafs personal views..

The biggest roar of these conflicting ideas was exposed when hamid meer was discussing issues with Daniaal Azis(the torch bearer of local bodies institution). daniaal said in one of his replies that commodity-rate inspectors were working under provincial govs and not under the federal one.so they are the ones responsibe.hamid called-in pervez ilahi on phone at the same time.pervez(subjecting to his dhagga mentality) didt take the trouble to consider that what was said in what context,ran-over daniaal aziz and the federal food-minister sitting in the studio.he said," provincial gov is working fine and the ppl sitting there should look into their matters". :D

In short theres this political compulsion on part of musharraf to bear such supporters/allies,otherwise this man is far more open-hearted than ppl might think hes..

@massive rigging in upcoming elections

...Im sorry to differ with you,but I dont see it happening.

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If you can realise this,theres a clear division among gov ranks about how to deal with different issues.

The first group represents the techanical-hand,ie the skilled overseas pakistanis group(wich musharraf called-them-in for countrys sake) wich was meant to collaborate with some resident local elements to reflect musharrafs agenda of reforms.

The second group represented the local politicians,undisplined,having the casual pakistani egg-shell mentality.this group was represented by chauhdries and their allies.

Now there started this rift between these groups to coup with different things.the local group had majority as they were providing grass-root cover to musharraf,they hagimonise often and turn the tables of musharrafs agenda by force.not entering into an alliance with benazir(this time) was one example shown on part of chauhdries to dominate over musharrafs personal views..

The biggest roar of these conflicting ideas was exposed when hamid meer was discussing issues with Daniaal Azis(the torch bearer of local bodies institution). daniaal said in one of his replies that commodity-rate inspectors were working under provincial govs and not under the federal one.so they are the ones responsibe.hamid called-in pervez ilahi on phone at the same time.pervez(subjecting to his dhagga mentality) didt take the trouble to consider that what was said in what context,ran-over daniaal aziz and the federal food-minister sitting in the studio.he said," provincial gov is working fine and the ppl sitting there should look into their matters". :D

In short theres this political compulsion on part of musharraf to bear such supporters/allies,otherwise this man is far more open-hearted than ppl might think hes..

@massive rigging in upcoming elections

...Im sorry to differ with you,but I dont see it happening.

Peer, asif

local bodies hold the key to rigging. This is why BB wanted the local bodies to be suspended. Rigging doesn't have to come in the form of jaali votes, but also through re-districting and having un-due influence by local bodies' officials.

Btw Peer, local bodies elections were rigged. The deal with PP doesnt seem to be headed anywhere, Mushy was forced into it in the context of CJ's reinstatement and the formation of ARD, both of which aren't issues anymore. Pervez Ilahi is headed for a clean sweep. Don't tell me it's going to be based on his performance. I have friends from Gujrat who tell me he hasn't done $hit, yet you see all these ads on TV all the time.

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