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Has Benazir Bhutto Made A Deal With The Us?!?!. . .


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Has Benazir Bhutto made a deal with the US that if they re-instate her as President, she'll be a better servant than Musharraf?

Looks like Musharraf's on the way out, the US doesn't need him anymore, he's become redundant.

Benazir will just be a civilian face to a military rule in the background.

There will never be a real democracy until the army is totally de-fanged which is very unlikely to happen given the way the army can manipulate the common abdul's emotions.

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That notion is quite misfounded.

The army neither needs nor panders to the common abdul's emotions.

That is what the Mullah's do, and have been doing for decades. The army just, and always, reaps the rewards of the civil strife and discord sown by the Mullahs.

Pakistan's imperative is to break the necklock the Mullahs have on the lower middle class, equivalent to the "bazaar" in Iran.

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just to point something out, Benazir was never the president of Pakistan, so there is no question of her being reinstated as the president...

It may come as a surprise to some of you, but Pakistan does not have a Presidential form of government, we are a (or should be) parliamentary democracy, and Benazir has twice been a Prime minister and not a president.

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she's made a deal to lootify the country left here with us like any other person whose come to " rule " us......

People need to open their eyes and start using their brain ....

History is our biggest evidence of our failure today as a nation due to bad leaders .....

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Has Benazir Bhutto made a deal with the US that if they re-instate her as President, she'll be a better servant than Musharraf?

Benazir is the head of the most popular party(ie ppp=pakistan peoples party) in pakistan.moreover her family(Bhuttos) is recognised as a family having true political vision at the international level.the common ground between the americans and Benazir this time is the anti-mullah,ie extremist mullah element.Pakistan peoples party has been fighting socially and politically against the extremist mullahs in pakistan for decades now.americans have a quarrel with mullah at present.so its quite possible that americans could also be interested in seeing her in premiers chair,but Benazirs doest necessarily need american support to win the upcoming elections,shes the most popular figure among the masses without any doubt.even her counterparts admitt this fact openly.

Looks like Musharraf's on the way out, the US doesn't need him anymore, he's become redundant.

As i have already mentioned on this forum before that despite meating with the various american demands,musharraf has turned down many key ones,ie

atomic programme roll-back

downsizing of the armed forces

support americans to invade iran etc.

So american are visibly interested in uprooting musharraf to go ahead with their agenda.

One thing wich i should mention here...

The day musharraf ignored americans advice to support them against iran,circumstances were created to defame musharraf in pakistan afterwards.it was quite interesting to note that slogans were called against pakistan army from within,the subject wich has been favorite for the Indian establishment and the americans as well.congratulations to both,keep trying ! :D

Ya Aba ! I think you got no life these days. :P

You should go back to wash your clothes,polish your boots and please dont forget to use some tooth-pics in the meanwhile. B)

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SHE CAN SERVE AMERICANS BETTER THEN EVERYONE

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Benazir and the israeli standing togather,so??

Even Muhammed(pbuh) sat togather with the non-believers to sign hudaybiya accord.so whats your point?

I think musharraf called the slogan 'pakistan first' rightly so.its about time that pakistan should stop foreign forces from intruding her domestic affairs,i mean both the middle-eastern mullahs and the hardcore capitalists from the west.financial and technological advancement are the keys to resolve these problems.one shouldt be expecting to exercise his free will without financial independence especially.

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Benazir and the israeli standing togather,so??

Even Muhammed(pbuh) sat togather with the non-believers to sign hudaybiya accord.so whats your point?

I think musharraf called the slogan 'pakistan first' rightly so.its about time that pakistan should stop foreign forces from intruding her domestic affairs,i mean both the middle-eastern mullahs and the hardcore capitalists from the west.financial and technological advancement are the keys to resolve these problems.one shouldt be expecting to exercise his free will without financial independence especially.

While Musharraf is a usurper and should be kicked out, the strategic position taken in the slogan "Pakistan First" is absolutely correct.

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Bhuttos and political vision? If i recall zulfiqar ali bhutto along with his then master allowed the situation in Bangladesh (then called east pakistan) to deteriorate to such an extent a war led to the seperation of pakistan. General Ayub Khan was the martial lawadministrator as well as CnC and after realising that he had along with Bhutto allowed things to slip so far and realisng war was inevitable handed power to General Ya Ya who was left with an unwinable position. Benazir has had 2 chances as premier al be it for short periodsbut she has already shown her readiness to join any body to regain the power seat.the most memorable thing of her tenures are the vast amounts of wealth and corruption linked to her spouse Asif zadari. Finally Zadari was imprisoned for eight years and claim this was without reson yet Benazir is willing to sit with herhusbands jailer in order to come back. is this the leadership that Pakistan needs at this time. I favour neither military rule and certainly not a retun of the Bhuttos,Shariffs or the Chaudries.Surely out of an eligible electorate there is some honest man to take this country forward to a place of honour and respect

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Bhuttos and political vision? If i recall zulfiqar ali bhutto along with his then master allowed the situation in Bangladesh (then called east pakistan) to deteriorate to such an extent a war led to the seperation of pakistan. General Ayub Khan was the martial lawadministrator as well as CnC and after realising that he had along with Bhutto allowed things to slip so far and realisng war was inevitable handed power to General Ya Ya who was left with an unwinable position. Benazir has had 2 chances as premier al be it for short periodsbut she has already shown her readiness to join any body to regain the power seat.the most memorable thing of her tenures are the vast amounts of wealth and corruption linked to her spouse Asif zadari. Finally Zadari was imprisoned for eight years and claim this was without reson yet Benazir is willing to sit with herhusbands jailer in order to come back. is this the leadership that Pakistan needs at this time. I favour neither military rule and certainly not a retun of the Bhuttos,Shariffs or the Chaudries.Surely out of an eligible electorate there is some honest man to take this country forward to a place of honour and respect

Name some one.

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Benazir and the israeli standing togather,so??

Even Muhammed(pbuh) sat togather with the non-believers to sign hudaybiya accord.so whats your point?

(salam)

And she's seen socializing with the accursed Peres naudbillah following his (pbuh) sunnah ? Let us not make comparison of those not at all uncomparable. Cheh nisbat-e khak ra ba aasman-e paak?

There are practically 3 or 4 options available to Pakistanis right now:

  1. Musharraf and his 40 thieves - uniformed as well as ununiformed. The group is one of the most corrupt to have ever ruled the country. Their leader is the front-runner in those ready for selling the country's interests to America.
  2. Benazir - with or without Musharraf - again high on the list of the corrupt and ready to sell her soul to the devil (that includes USA) if that gets her off the hook, and back in some semblance of power.
  3. Nawaz Sharif, competing with Benazir for the top award in corruption. A champion of Punjabi provincialism, with his slogan "Jaag Punjabi jaag, teri pag noon lagya daag in the 1990 elections
  4. The mullahs, whose rule means impossible times for Shi'a Muslims.

So, who is the least evil?

I haven't been able to decide yet!

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of hand i cant one i would have liked to see was Maulana Arif Hussain Hussaini (Shaheed) even Imam Ruhalla called him son

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Shaheed Arif , like his predecessor Mufti Jafar Hussain, believed in the politics of maintaining Shias as pressure group, and not entering electoral politics.

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He was murdered in 1988. Pick out somebody alive and active on the political scene in Pakistan. Someone who has a realistic chance, even as a dark horse, to make it.

I I know he embraced shahadaat in 88 he was my friend,Pakistan lost a great envoy for the country and the shia community. As for any one on political scene now my honesst opinion is all opportunists and are no benefit to Pakistan let me ask you how many great leaders come in a lifetime. if you know one in Pakistan now please enlighten me

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And she's seen socializing with the accursed Peres naudbillah following his (pbuh) sunnah ? Let us not make comparison of those not at all uncomparable. Cheh nisbat-e khak ra ba aasman-e paak?

There are practically 3 or 4 options available to Pakistanis right now:

  1. Musharraf and his 40 thieves - uniformed as well as ununiformed. The group is one of the most corrupt to have ever ruled the country. Their leader is the front-runner in those ready for selling the country's interests to America.
  2. Benazir - with or without Musharraf - again high on the list of the corrupt and ready to sell her soul to the devil (that includes USA) if that gets her off the hook, and back in some semblance of power.
  3. Nawaz Sharif, competing with Benazir for the top award in corruption. A champion of Punjabi provincialism, with his slogan "Jaag Punjabi jaag, teri pag noon lagya daag in the 1990 elections
  4. The mullahs, whose rule means impossible times for Shi'a Muslims.

So, who is the least evil?

I haven't been able to decide yet!

First of all the prophet(pbuh) never shut the doors of dialogue even with the non-believers without socialising with them.i can understand this fact that they would seldom do it with fare intension,but atmam-e-hujjat is compulsory.

Secondly,Jamal Abdul Nasir was the last person in the middle east who went on to a ' full-scale ' war against israel and the result is in your knowledge im sure.please dont take the trouble of calling the last hizbullah-israeli clashes a war.

So when the muslim ummah is in no position than to pass resolutions againt israel,i think its the right time that we should rethink our strategy towards israel.im not advising to accept israel here.but ummah should take steps to grip power from her internal ranks,so that the enemy thinks twice before it takes a glympse of a muslim country.

I think i have found the lesser evil here...

Musharraf is a rare, sincere general,but lacks political hand to fulfil the vaccum of communication.so with the power of armed forces and the political intellect of Benazir,pakistan can survive this critical phase of history.otherwise this so-called war on terror and especially the afghan-factor would eat-up our integrity.

Right now,we are being grinded between two extremes.one is mullah(the more curseable) who has desprived us from true islamic vision and secondly the blind western followers.

western trends are basically capitalist in nature,ie go to get finances,dance undressed,do whatever at your home,nothing bothers you.I condemn this culture also.

On the other hand,hardcore islamists(you can also call them so-called islamists) not only intrude the happening on roads/mosques/madrisas,but they do try to brain-wash simple and innocent masses at their doors.

kabhi khana khilanay pay ghagrra

kabhi paani pilanay pay ghagrra.

Thirdly,since shias are 15-20% of the population of pakistan,so there isnt a chance that a shia can grab power in this country from a shia platform.so all a shia needs is a less-wahabi/less sectarian figure in power.luckily both musharraf and benazir fit-in to this criterion.

@chalees chor+corruption.

I would have agreed to your theory if i had not been confirmed that there are 16b$ in our national reserves,the figure that never crossed a billion mark in 60 yrs.

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Shaheed Arif , like his predecessor Mufti Jafar Hussain, believed in the politics of maintaining Shias as pressure group, and not entering electoral politics.

Thats it !!

Dawat-e-Islami gathers more attention than other religious groups for the same reason.these vote-counts are sucking up our principle stands.

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And she's seen socializing with the accursed Peres naudbillah following his (pbuh) sunnah ? Let us not make comparison of those not at all uncomparable. Cheh nisbat-e khak ra ba aasman-e paak?

There are practically 3 or 4 options available to Pakistanis right now:

  1. Musharraf and his 40 thieves - uniformed as well as ununiformed. The group is one of the most corrupt to have ever ruled the country. Their leader is the front-runner in those ready for selling the country's interests to America.
  2. Benazir - with or without Musharraf - again high on the list of the corrupt and ready to sell her soul to the devil (that includes USA) if that gets her off the hook, and back in some semblance of power.
  3. Nawaz Sharif, competing with Benazir for the top award in corruption. A champion of Punjabi provincialism, with his slogan "Jaag Punjabi jaag, teri pag noon lagya daag in the 1990 elections
  4. The mullahs, whose rule means impossible times for Shi'a Muslims.

So, who is the least evil?

I haven't been able to decide yet!

Bhutto, Sharif, Khan, whosoever the electorate votes in, accept them. Just try your level best that the MMA does not become a pressure in the parliament or carry any state.

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And she's seen socializing with the accursed Peres naudbillah following his (pbuh) sunnah ? Let us not make comparison of those not at all uncomparable. Cheh nisbat-e khak ra ba aasman-e paak?

There are practically 3 or 4 options available to Pakistanis right now:

  1. Musharraf and his 40 thieves - uniformed as well as ununiformed. The group is one of the most corrupt to have ever ruled the country. Their leader is the front-runner in those ready for selling the country's interests to America.
  2. Benazir - with or without Musharraf - again high on the list of the corrupt and ready to sell her soul to the devil (that includes USA) if that gets her off the hook, and back in some semblance of power.
  3. Nawaz Sharif, competing with Benazir for the top award in corruption. A champion of Punjabi provincialism, with his slogan "Jaag Punjabi jaag, teri pag noon lagya daag in the 1990 elections
  4. The mullahs, whose rule means impossible times for Shi'a Muslims.

So, who is the least evil?

I haven't been able to decide yet!

Bhutto, Sharif, Khan, whosoever the electorate votes in, accept them. Just try your level best that the MMA does not become a pressure in the parliament or carry any state.

It is the duty of Pakistani Shias to stem the tide of mullahism in Pakistan.

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Musharraf will along with Bhutto collaborate with the Americans as an anti-Iranian and anti-Islamic front that will ultimately also end up resulting in a massive crackdown on Shi'as as well... The only types that will prosper are those who become allies of the American-Israelis... The lesser evil? Since when did Shi'as choose evil? Oh, OK, I know - since some started to support puppet presidents and prime-ministers of the Americans.

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Musharraf will along with Bhutto collaborate with the Americans as an anti-Iranian and anti-Islamic

That is one wishful thinking...

Had musharraf accepted anti-iranian stance offered to him,he wouldt have to seek the support of benazir today. secondly,dont expect benazir to collaborate americans to attack a shia state.infact it was benazir who showed the courage of marrying an open shia(zardari) despite knowing the fact that it could hurt her political advantage in a sunni-majority country.have peace !!

The lesser evil? Since when did Shi'as choose evil? Oh, OK, I know - since some started to support puppet presidents and prime-ministers of the Americans.

when the prophet entered into hudabiya accord..

when mawla ali bore three caliphs in the interest of ummah,despite knowing the fact that he himself was the successor.

when the prophet left makkah for madina despite the fact that his stance was justified...

i think you need to keep your islamic vision elastic,that is what islam is about practices..

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Itna matt khainchna keh shakal hi bigarr jaye -- elastic . . .

Please do indicate me when i do that...thanks !

Imam baqar(a.s) farmaty hain(bihar-ul-anwar,vol-4)...

" Momin ki teen alamatai`n hoti hai`n

1-apni khushi mein baatil ko na chuu lay

2-apnay ghussay mein baatil ko na chuu lay

3-jab kuch haasil karnay par qudrat rakhta ho tou usi qadar lay kay jitna us ka haq ho."

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