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(salam)

Kuch mazeed sawalaat kay jawab chaahiyein. asaan urdu main aur mukhtasir ker kay.

1) Aap ko kiya lagta hay. Mulk ki aksariyat President Musharraf ki favour main hay ya nahen ?

2) Main jab bhi musharraf ki speech's yaa interview sunta hun tau appreciate kerta hun. To be honest, I enjoy listening to him. Us ki batun main mujhe wazan nazr aata hay. Aur wo yakterfa nahen balkay apnay taeen unbias ho ker baat kerta hay. Realities saamnay laata hay. Aur jab main opposition walun ko sunta hun, tau dil kerta hay keh chappal utaar ker shuru ho jaon....wahi same topi drama, sawal gandum jawab channa....yeh sirf main hi aisa feel kerta hun yaa koi aur bhi mujh say agree kerta hay ?

3) Aj kal jitnay bhi political leaders, jin ka mujhe patah hay. Un main say mujhe koi aik bhi aisa nazr nahen aata jo aik behter alternative leader sabit ho. Ager koi hay tau zara mujhe agah kerain. Ager us ki koi speeches ya interviews hain tau link share kijiye.

4) Musharraf ki kis kis policy say aap ko ikhtilaf hay. Aur kion. Lambi chori kahani bazi say pehaiz kijiega ga :P zara mukhtasir ker kay educate kerain, thori rawshni dalain takay meray pallay kuch baat paray.....

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(1) Maine tou aksar ko galiyan sunate suna hai Musharraf ko. Sab mulk ko tou main janta nahi hoon, apne ilaqe ka pata hai, sab lanat karte hain es par. Waise kuch maheene pehle kahi se shurshuri chori thi kisi ne keh yeh SHIA hai, koi shayad Hajj se aae the aur yeh shurshuri chori thi keh waha ek Shia aalim mila, usne bataya keh Musharaf shia hai, zaahir nahi karna chahta aur usne un aalim ko kaha keh mere tawaf ada kardo :S. Es se bari shurshuri maine apni zindagi main kabhi nahi suni. Awwal tou yeh banda shia nahi hai, agar chup chupa ke bhi huwa tou mujhe es se koi khushi nahi hui.

(2) Taqreer waqaee wazan wali hoti hai uski lekin no big deal. Harfon ki heera pheeri janta hai. Shaatir bhi hai lekin kia bhala kia Pakistan ka? Bhala karne se zyada tou baira gharq kar diya hai. Khud kou tou kutta bhi kehelwa de mujhe koi gham nahi lekin yeh Pak Army ko esne jitna badnaam kar diya hai locally yeh buhat bura kiya hai esne.

(3) Behtar alternative leader. Awwal tou yeh dictator hai. Esko bhala kyoon leader kaha jae. Imran Khan ko sun lain, past main ghaltiya kar chuka hai, aiteraf bhi kiya hai. Main use behtar samajhta hoon. Behtar leader Pakistan ke liye wahi hoga jo democracy ko strong karne ke liye steps uthaega. Musharraf capable tha yeh sab karne ka lekin usne nahi kiya. Bibi ke khelaf special cells tak band kar diye. PML Q eske loton aur chamchon se bhari hui hai. Saare ehtesab zada. Koi esko bhala q behtar leader kehta hai :S. Yeh tou sab ehtesab zada logo ki waja se power mai hai aur unko hi support karta hai.

(4) Jo karta hai apne ko power main rakhne ke liye karta hai aur aj tak tou amreeka ko khush karne ke liye buhat kuch kiya hai. Etna kuch keh mere moon se ek din aisee baat nikal gai thi school behas main keh aaj tak sharminda hoon :P.

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Apnay paon pakkay karte raho, isay molvyon kou marney do. Jan yeh molvyon ko khatam kar lega to hum mulk meim jamhuryat le ayein ge

I'd rather co-opt a molvi then kill him. The British knew it when they came to india. The Americans and their lackeys lack this type of common sense. Kyoon khamakha 'shaheedon ke factory' laganay kay chakkar mein ho? 100s of millons of wahabized sunnion ko khatam karnay ka tappar hay??

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I'd rather co-opt a molvi then kill him. The British knew it when they came to india. The Americans and their lackeys lack this type of common sense. Kyoon khamakha 'shaheedon ke factory' laganay kay chakkar mein ho? 100s of millons of wahabized sunnion ko khatam karnay ka tappar hay??

Educate the people about the inherent hypocrisy of the mullah, and in a couple of decades you will see even the most retrogressive people refusing to follow their political line.

The reality on the ground is, despite being breastfed by the Pakistan establishment for 60 years, despite the Jam'aat Islami's infiltration of every organ of the state [accept the parliament, they are still microscopic there] the so-called religious vote bank is far, far smaller than the secular vote bank.

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Array array .....shiachat mod ? :D

Aur wo bhi baghair meethaee kay ?

Patriot bro....Imran Khan mujhe bhi kafi had tak pasand hay. Main baakion per is ko terjeeh dun ga. Laikin wo bhi kabhi kabhi chawlein marta hay. :D He does seem to have a lot of potential. Although I don't understand, how he plans to practically implement his proposed policies.

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Aur wo bhi baghair meethaee kay ?

ik dam molvian wali gal keeti jay ! :D

waisay molvion ko umumun teen hi shoq hotay hain,yaeni..

khanay ka..

sonay ka...

aur shaadi ka..

So baqi do mamlaat kis nehaj par hain? :P

Patriot bro....Imran Khan mujhe bhi kafi had tak pasand hay. Main baakion per is ko terjeeh dun ga. Laikin wo bhi kabhi kabhi chawlein marta hay. :D He does seem to have a lot of potential. Although I don't understand, how he plans to practically implement his proposed policies.

Imran abhi bachcha hai.abhi usay govern karnay ki practical problems ka kuch ilm nahi hai,so woh khaali peeli usuli taqrer say apna sikka jamanay ki koshishon mein laga hai.ARYoneworld par anchor nay yay sawal kar kay imran ki rooh khiska di thi kay log poochtay hain kay imran khan kay palllay kya hai? he was hinting at his vote bank.Imran kay100 watt kay bulb mein zero ki roshni bachchi thi kyunkay woh ghareeb yay sawal expect nahi kar raha tha.Imrans tehreek-e-insaaf got 0.7% of the polled votes in 2002 elections.

doosri baat yay kay APC london mein imran kayisrar par yay resolution pass ki gayee kay aendah APC ki koi jamaat MQM say alliance nahi karay gi.meray nazdeek yay aik ghair-siyasi balkay bachgana move thi,kyunkay siyasat mein na tou koi mustaqil dost hota hai aur na hi mustaqil dushman.agar 12th may kay waqeaat par protest karna hi maqsood tha tou MQM kay khilaf muzammati resolution pass kiya jaa sakta tha,such a short-sighted move on part of APC.

MQM kay tahir abbas rizvi nay yay keh kar imran khan ki tabiyat saaf kar di kay hum pehlay bhi kisi kay pass alliance banany nahi gaye aur na hi aindah jayen gay.pehlay bhi doosri jamatain support mangnay " 90" aayen theen aur aindah bhi ayen gi.inhon nay pehlay bhi thook kay chaata tha aur aindah bhi chaatain gi.though i dont support the language used by tahir rizvi,but imran simply asked for it.

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The reality on the ground is, despite being breastfed by the Pakistan establishment for 60 years, despite the Jam'aat Islami's infiltration of every organ of the state [accept the parliament, they are still microscopic there] the so-called religious vote bank is far, far smaller than the secular vote bank

then stop blaming the mullah for all of pakistan's woes. A much bigger culprit is the jagirdaar and his jurnail cousin/brother.

hypocritical mullahs have always been around, they were generally bought out by the sarkar. this has pretty much remained the trend for a millennium. Killing them will make them into kha-makha kay legends. Khoon apna ho ya paraey ka, nasl-e-aadam ka khoon hay yaro. Kuch Sistani sahib say he sabaq lo. Agar wo bhee 'kill the wahabi' ka naara lagatay huway maidan mein aa jain toe kia ho ga? almost overnight shia sunni civil war will break out throughout the middle east. he has shown restraint in fact of the atrocities we can't even begin to dream of.

Sabar aur shahadat hamari meeraas hay, isko ghairon kay haath mein kyoon thamaain???

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then stop blaming the mullah for all of pakistan's woes. A much bigger culprit is the jagirdaar and his jurnail cousin/brother.

hypocritical mullahs have always been around, they were generally bought out by the sarkar. this has pretty much remained the trend for a millennium. killing them will push them to the wall. Not a smart move in my opinion. Khoon apna ho ya paraey ka, nasl-e-aadam ka khoon hay yaro. Amn ke baat karo, Sistani sahib say he sabaq lo. Agar wo bhee 'kill the mullah' ka naara lagatay huway maidan mein aa jain toe kia ho ga? Sabar aur shahadat hamari meeraas hay, isko kyoon haath say jaanay dain???

The mullah is retrogressive, hypocritical as you yourself have said, and generally anti-people, anti-progress, anti-insaniyat.

They are not bought out or anything. As someone who has been and is in the thick of things, I know. I am not talking of the mullahs of two hundred or five hundred years ago. I amtalking about the species of mullahs that surfaced in the early 20th century. They have a certain mentality, a mindset that says "people should submit to us" They have not had, and do not have any rational argument for this, except the brute, retrogressive street power we see every so often.

Siyasat mein kabhee Badr o Hunain hotay hain, kabhee Sulh-e Hudaybia aur Sulh-e-Hasan hotee hai, kabhee bani Qurayza aur Jamal, Siffeen, Nehrwaan bheen hotaay hain, aur agar zururat parray, tou Karbala.

Magar aaj kay mullah say larrnaa hai. Yeh akhwaan ul shyaateen hain

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Rawshni tumhari shikayatain baja laikin yeh molvi koi makhi machhar nahi kay chiarkao karo aur muamla khatam. Those who even think of eliminating the mullah parties should first try to gauge how much blood it will take. Pakistani mein bikao mullahon ke saikron misaalain mojood hain, why should I believe they are un-co-optable (if tha'ts even a word)..

As I said, Sistani sahib ke misaal paish-e-nazar rahay. Humari qurbaniyan kuch bhee nahi iraqion kay saamnay, still unhon nay na kabhi takfeer kee na qatl-e-aam kay fatway jaari kiye..

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Rawshni tumhari shikayatain baja laikin yeh molvi koi makhi machhar nahi kay chiarkao karo aur muamla khatam. Those who even think of eliminating the mullah parties should first try to gauge how much blood it will take. Pakistani mein bikao mullahon ke saikron misaalain mojood hain, why should I believe they are un-co-optable (if tha'ts even a word)..

As I said, Sistani sahib ke misaal paish-e-nazar rahay. Humari qurbaniyan kuch bhee nahi iraqion kay saamnay, still unhon nay na kabhi takfeer kee na qatl-e-aam kay fatway jaari kiye..

(salam)

Jabb mayn larrnay kaa kehtee hoon tou muraad woh larraayee hee naheen jiasy "war is an extension of politics by violent means" kaha gyaa hai.

T'aaleem, tarbiyat, media, masajed, imaambaargahein, aur sabb say barhrh kay apnay apnay ghar hamaaray maidaan hain, jahaan hamein akhlaaq-e-Mohammadi aur Deen-e-Mohammadi kee saheeh soorat ujaagar karrnee hai, jisay maulvyoun nay khusoosann guzeshteh sadi bhar mein aisey maskh hai keh bilkul naa qaabil-e-shnakht banaa diya hai.

Mayn nay pehlay bhee kayee jageh kahaa hai, Pakistan aaj bhee Muslim mumaalik mein eik aisa mulk hai jahaan eik munsifaneh secular jamhooree nizaam jis mein 100 fee sadd mazhabi aazaadi kee zamaanat hou nihayat aasaanee say qayem kiya jaa sakktaa hai. Eik nasl kee baat hai.

Inn kee t'aadad ziyada naheen hai, awaam mein inn kou himayat bhee haasil naheen hai; jis kaa gawaah guzehteh kayee elections a voting pattern hai.

Zururat iss baat kee hai keh inn kee jou "divine right nto rule" hai usay harr jageh, harr harbeh say challenge kiya jaaye.

Haan, agar yeh b'qaul, inhee kay roohani abb-o-jadd, Allameh Iqbal, "fee sabeel lillah fasaad" peh array rahay tou phir khoon lazimann bahay gaa. Majbooree hai.

Hamm Pakistan kou Talibanize naheen honay dayn gay. Kisee bhee qeemat peh.

Wassalaam

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Mayn nay pehlay bhee kayee jageh kahaa hai, Pakistan aaj bhee Muslim mumaalik mein eik aisa mulk hai jahaan eik munsifaneh secular jamhooree nizaam jis mein 100 fee sadd mazhabi aazaadi kee zamaanat hou nihayat aasaanee say qayem kiya jaa sakktaa hai. Eik nasl kee baat hai.

Inn kee t'aadad ziyada naheen hai, awaam mein inn kou himayat bhee haasil naheen hai; jis kaa gawaah guzehteh kayee elections a voting pattern hai.

Zururat iss baat kee hai keh inn kee jou "divine right nto rule" hai usay harr jageh, harr harbeh say challenge kiya jaaye.

Pakistan Talibanize walibanize nahi ho raha, haan albatta Barelvi-vs-Deobandi/wahabi and Shia-vs-wahabi ke taraf jaata nazar aa raha hay. Taliban was a political movement more than anything, they were Paki implants into the Afghan mess. The current talibanization in NWFP also has a political backdrop to it. Jab tak kararay dollar kay note but rahay thay toe NWFP walay chup thay. Jub Amrika say note aana khatam ho gaey (in the wake of Iraq war) toe saara udham machna shuroo huwa. Inn sab phadday baazon ko khareeda ja sakta hay given the right amount of money. Khoon bahanay say 1 karore darjay behtar nuskha hay, agar koi insaani jaan ke qeemat ko jaanta hay toe...

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Pakistan Talibanize walibanize nahi ho raha, haan albatta Barelvi-vs-Deobandi/wahabi and Shia-vs-wahabi ke taraf jaata nazar aa raha hay. Taliban was a political movement more than anything, they were Paki implants into the Afghan mess. The current talibanization in NWFP also has a political backdrop to it. Jab tak kararay dollar kay note but rahay thay toe NWFP walay chup thay. Jub Amrika say note aana khatam ho gaey (in the wake of Iraq war) toe saara udham machna shuroo huwa. Inn sab phadday baazon ko khareeda ja sakta hay given the right amount of money. Khoon bahanay say 1 karore darjay behtar nuskha hay, agar koi insaani jaan ke qeemat ko jaanta hay toe...

(salam)

Kyaa hou gyaa aap kou aur aap kee siyaasee soojh boojh kou.

Taliban Pashtun iqtedaar-e-aala kee eik tehreek thee, iss say inkaar naheen, magar iss kay ang sang wahee thay jo tehreek-e-Pakistan kay; y'aani mazhabi cholay mein siyasi tehreek.

M'aal-e-kaar aisee tehreekoun kaa anjaam hamaisheh mazhabi junooniyat aur mazhabi fastayyat peh hotaa hai

jaisey Saahir Ludhianvi marhoom nay kahaa hai naa

"Chakloun mein jaa rukktee hai ghurbat say jou raah nikaltee hai" [hou sakktaa misr'aa wazan say khisak gyaa hou] usee tareh, mazhab kaa n'aara lay karr jo siyaasee tehreek uthtee hai, woh zulm, jabr, na-insaafi, aur barbarriyyat peh munnataj hotee hai, yeh hamm baar baar taaareekh mein daikh chukay hain

Rahaa aap kaa yeh kehnaa keh kuchch loug khareeday jaa sakktay hain, tou bhaee, mayn, apnaa nukta-e-nazar bataa rahee hoon, mayn naa tou khareed-o-farokht kee siyasat kee qayal hoon, naa kisee Yehuda Iskartee kou apnay hawaryoun mein shaamil karrnaa chaahoon gee. Mayn Allah kee bohat gunahgaar bandee hoon, mujhay Allah Eisa ibne Maryam kee tareh kisee aasmaan peh jageh daynay kaa naheen hai, khwamkhwah baymaut maaree jaaongee; aap kyoun chaahtay hain yeh?

Rahaa khoon bahaana, zururat parrey tou bahaana hou gaa; Allah Allah khayr salla

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Kyaa hou gyaa aap kou aur aap kee siyaasee soojh boojh kou.

Taliban Pashtun iqtedaar-e-aala kee eik tehreek thee, iss say inkaar naheen, magar iss kay ang sang wahee thay jo tehreek-e-Pakistan kay; y'aani mazhabi cholay mein siyasi tehreek.

Ab mujh say poochti ho kay fehm-e-siyasat kahan gaya jub khud itna superficial analysis kar rahi ho. Who do you think put mazab in the chola of siyasat or vice versa? of course you know it : it was the British. Yani: aik ghair taaqat aa kay sada loh logon ke mazahab-pasandi ko exploit karti hay. Taliban ka case bilkul issy hypothesis pay fit hota hay. Pakistan nay afghanion ke mazhab/raj`at parasti say faida uthaya aur apnay agenton kay zaryeh direct hukoomat kee (not 2 different from what the British did)..

In case of 'Pakistani taliban' however, there is NO foreign force to guide them or provide them the massive logistic and strategic support they need to become a serious player. Iss ka matlab yeh kay inn kay naam pay sirf daraya ja raha hay public ko. Tum say yeh ummeed nahi kay tum iss fear mongering ko repeat karo gee..

Rahaa aap kaa yeh kehnaa keh kuchch loug khareeday jaa sakktay hain, tou bhaee, mayn, apnaa nukta-e-nazar bataa rahee hoon, mayn naa tou khareed-o-farokht kee siyasat kee qayal hoon, naa kisee Yehuda Iskartee kou apnay hawaryoun mein shaamil karrnaa chaahoon gee. Mayn Allah kee bohat gunahgaar bandee hoon, mujhay Allah Eisa ibne Maryam kee tareh kisee aasmaan peh jageh daynay kaa naheen hai, khwamkhwah baymaut maaree jaaongee; aap kyoun chaahtay hain yeh?

Each demagogue has his price tag. Yeh purana tariqa hay logon kay moonh band karnay ka. Agar khoon bahanay aur paisa bahanay mein 1 ka intikhaab karna ho toe I will ALWAYS prefer paisa bahana. What will you pick?

Rahaa khoon bahaana, zururat parrey tou bahaana hou gaa; Allah Allah khayr salla

kyoon behna ho ga? aren't you of the school of thought that we should wait till Imam (as) rises up and creates a just system, before which any adventurism under the direction of mere fallibles is not worthwhile..

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ik dam molvian wali gal keeti jay ! :D

waisay molvion ko umumun teen hi shoq hotay hain,yaeni..

khanay ka..

sonay ka...

aur shaadi ka..

So baqi do mamlaat kis nehaj par hain? :P

Bas bro kiya puuchtay ho....

Shok tau bohat hay magr donon mamlaat thanday jaarahay hain... :D

Nah hi shaadi hoti hay, nah hi neend aati hay :P

Yeh zamana hum kanwarun kay sath acha nahen ker raha......

(salam)

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Ab mujh say poochti ho kay fehm-e-siyasat kahan gaya jub khud itna superficial analysis kar rahi ho. Who do you think put mazab in the chola of siyasat or vice versa? of course you know it : it was the British. Yani: aik ghair taaqat aa kay sada loh logon ke mazahab-pasandi ko exploit karti hay. Taliban ka case bilkul issy hypothesis pay fit hota hay. Pakistan nay afghanion ke mazhab/raj`at parasti say faida uthaya aur apnay agenton kay zaryeh direct hukoomat kee (not 2 different from what the British did)..

O Bhaijaan

Taareekh kou thorra saa ghaur say daikh lo, khodaa raa. 1857 kee jang-e-aazaasi kyaa thee aur uss kay component kyaa thay?

1906 mein Conferderacy of Muslim Princes bani, [Yeh wahee jan'aat hai jis kaa naam b'ad All India Muslim League rakhkha gyaa] tou yeh kyaa the

Aligarh movement kyaa thee?

Angrez khareed sakaa tou deputy Nazeer Ahmad jaisoun kou . . .

Ulama-e-Deoband kee tehreek kyaa thee? Kyaa angrezoun nay unn kee raz'at kee thee?

In case of 'Pakistani taliban' however, there is NO foreign force to guide them or provide them the massive logistic and strategic support they need to become a serious player. Iss ka matlab yeh kay inn kay naam pay sirf daraya ja raha hay public ko. Tum say yeh ummeed nahi kay tum iss fear mongering ko repeat karo gee..

Aap pata naheen kis dunya mein reh rahay hain. Mas'ala logistics kaa hai hee naheen. Mas'ala tou nuisance value or terror kaa hai, society mein tawaif al mulooki phailaanay kaa hai, khauf aur bay-yaqeeni kee fizaa paida karrnay kaa hai, afraa tafree paida karrnay kaa hai

Islamamabad mein, Peshawar mein, Lahore mein aisey bohat waq'eaat hou chukay hain jahan half-sleeved aur quarter sleeved yaa sleevleess kameezain pehnee huee larrkyoun, yaa khulay gareebaan pehnay huay larrkyoun parr tayzaab phainkaa gyaa, chaqoozani kee gayee. In harkatoun say iqtidar tou haasil naheen hotaa; khauf aur dehshat zuroor phailtee hai.

Mayn iss tareh kaa libaas endorse naheen karr rahee, laikin, agar mayray saamnay aisaa koyee waq'eaa hou, tou Insha Allah, mayn nangay haathoun say aisey mardood kou jahannum zuroor waasil karr doon gee; waheen kay waheen.

Rahaa Afghanistan mein Taliban kaa hukmraan hou jaana, tou uss kay asbab o illal koyee aisey naheen hain keh aasaanee say samajh naa aa sakein.

Insaniyat kee jis nau kee tilchatt, az qismay Hekmetyaar, Younas Khalis, Burhanuddin, Mujaddadi, Nabi Mohammad Mohammdi, Qaanoonee, wagharehimm wahaan hukmraan hou gaye thay, b'shukriya Amreeka aur Paki Army, aur jou kuch in nutfeh-haye-naatehqeeq nay wahaan kiya thaa, wahaan Talban tou kyaa, Lahore kee Heera Mandi say aap jaish tayyar karr kay bhaijh daytay, woh bhee "ghaliboon" mein shamil hou jaata

Each demagogue has his price tag. Yeh purana tariqa hay logon kay moonh band karnay ka. Agar khoon bahanay aur paisa bahanay mein 1 ka intikhaab karna ho toe I will ALWAYS prefer paisa bahana. What will you pick?

Aap ghalat keh rahay hain, harr demagogue naheen biktaa.

Hamm nay Turkey mein daikha, Adnan Mendreiz naheen bikaa [Conservative thaa, by the way]

Hamm nay Pakistan mein daikha, Zulfiqar Ali Bhtoo nahee bikaa

Iss say pehlay hamm nay daikha, Mohammd Ali Jinnah naheen bikaa

Maudoodi naheen bikaa

Syed Qutb naheen bikaa

Sou yeh matt kahiye keh harr demagogue bikk jaata hai, harr demagogiue kay saath eik price taq laga hotaa hai

kyoon behna ho ga? aren't you of the school of thought that we should wait till Imam (as) rises up and creates a just system, before which any adventurism under the direction of mere fallibles is not worthwhile..

I am. But if the situation in the ghaybat of the Imam so dictates that arms be taken up for the defence of a secular, democratic dispensation as opposed to a theocratic dictatorship of any sort, shade or hue, we will take up arms.

It won't be a choice.

It will be an imperative.

(salam)

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Bas bro kiya puuchtay ho....

Shok tau bohat hay magr donon mamlaat thanday jaarahay hain... :D

Nah hi shaadi hoti hay, nah hi neend aati hay :P

Yeh zamana hum kanwarun kay sath acha nahen ker raha......

(salam)

(salam)

Tumm kanwaaray mayray Shah Bhaee kaa bhee kuchch sochcho . . . :P

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O Bhaijaan

Taareekh kou thorra saa ghaur say daikh lo, khodaa raa. 1857 kee jang-e-aazaasi kyaa thee aur uss kay component kyaa thay?

1906 mein Conferderacy of Muslim Princes bani, [Yeh wahee jan'aat hai jis kaa naam b'ad All India Muslim League rakhkha gyaa] tou yeh kyaa the

Aligarh movement kyaa thee?

Angrez khareed sakaa tou deputy Nazeer Ahmad jaisoun kou . . .

Ulama-e-Deoband kee tehreek kyaa thee? Kyaa angrezoun nay unn kee raz'at kee thee?

Where did I say *anywhere* that the British bought any of these?

What I was implying that the British used communalism in India to pit muslims against hindus that resulted in a REAL tragedy, rather than the pretend one you are trying to scare us about.

Aap pata naheen kis dunya mein reh rahay hain. Mas'ala logistics kaa hai hee naheen. Mas'ala tou nuisance value or terror kaa hai, society mein tawaif al mulooki phailaanay kaa hai, khauf aur bay-yaqeeni kee fizaa paida karrnay kaa hai, afraa tafree paida karrnay kaa hai

Without logistics support, without strategic support, I wonder if your nuisance can materialize into a real threat?

Islamamabad mein, Peshawar mein, Lahore mein aisey bohat waq'eaat hou chukay hain jahan half-sleeved aur quarter sleeved yaa sleevleess kameezain pehnee huee larrkyoun, yaa khulay gareebaan pehnay huay larrkyoun parr tayzaab phainkaa gyaa, chaqoozani kee gayee. In harkatoun say iqtidar tou haasil naheen hotaa; khauf aur dehshat zuroor phailtee hai.

Lahore aur islamabad mein disco bhee mojood hain. BBC wala Lahore ke aik party mein gaya toe uss kay hosh urr gaey, kehnay laga kay aisi party toe europe mein bhee nahi hoti (khulay aam londay baazi ho rahi thee btw.). So for every one of your 'waqiya' , I got a story of my own.

Insaniyat kee jis nau kee tilchatt, az qismay Hekmetyaar, Younas Khalis, Burhanuddin, Mujaddadi, Nabi Mohammad Mohammdi, Qaanoonee, wagharehimm wahaan hukmraan hou gaye thay, b'shukriya Amreeka aur Paki Army, aur jou kuch in nutfeh-haye-naatehqeeq nay wahaan kiya thaa, wahaan Talban tou kyaa, Lahore kee Heera Mandi say aap jaish tayyar karr kay bhaijh daytay, woh bhee "ghaliboon" mein shamil hou jaata

Your point makes my case even stronger. Afghanistan was *exhausted* after decades of fighting/infighting, among heavily militarized factions. Only THEN the taliban were able to take over a weakened country.

Pakistan mein yeh kub huwa bhai?

Hamm nay Turkey mein daikha, Adnan Mendreiz naheen bikaa [Conservative thaa, by the way]

Hamm nay Pakistan mein daikha, Zulfiqar Ali Bhtoo nahee bikaa

Iss say pehlay hamm nay daikha, Mohammd Ali Jinnah naheen bikaa

Maudoodi naheen bikaa

Syed Qutb naheen bikaa

Sou yeh matt kahiye keh harr demagogue bikk jaata hai, harr demagogiue kay saath eik price taq laga hotaa hai

Pakistan say tumko lay day ko 2 misaalain mileen, unn mein say bhee aik ZA Bhutto kee jo irrelevant hay. Maududi's party is hardly anti-establishment, so his example also doesn't apply. In fact it's Jamaat's open strategy to join the establishment to create the change. Hardly comparable with the Taliban. In fact I don't even consider Taliban a 'movement'. It had NO idealogical or intellectual guidance, only military one, even that from an outside entity (ISI). The local phenomenon is exactly what you said earlier: a nuisance.

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Where did I say *anywhere* that the British bought any of these?

The communalism was created more by the rule of unjust and cruel Muslim rulers

What I was implying that the British used communalism in India to pit muslims against hindus that resulted in a REAL tragedy, rather than the pretend one you are trying to scare us about.

Bhaee, bhaee, Khoda kay waastay!

Bartanvi yahaan hindostaan mein hindostaanyaan kay saath koyee punne karrnay naheen aaye thay. Woh tou aaye hee loot maar karrnay, yahaan kay wasaael aur aabaadee kaa istehsaal karnay. Why blame them?

Without logistics support, without strategic support, I wonder if your nuisance can materialize into a real threat?

As I said, mas'ala haqeeqee ist'edaad kaa naheen. Mas'ala khauf kee fiza paida karrnay kaa hai.

Lahore aur islamabad mein disco bhee mojood hain. BBC wala Lahore ke aik party mein gaya toe uss kay hosh urr gaey, kehnay laga kay aisi party toe europe mein bhee nahi hoti (khulay aam londay baazi ho rahi thee btw.). So for every one of your 'waqiya' , I got a story of my own.

Yeh mukhtalif qism kee baazyaan kahaan naheen houteen. Hamein inn say gharz zimnan hai; justice munir kay eik motivated faisleh nay jis qadr nuqsaan Pakistan kou pohanchaaya; yaqeen say kahaa jaa sakktaa hai guzeshteh 60 saal mein honay waali randi baazi nay naheen pohanchaaya hougaa.

Leemoon tou tarbooz say compare matt karein. Kuchch cheezein zaati sateh peh hein, kuchch qaumi sateh peh hain.

Mayn maanti hoon eik rani baaz kou kay dou chaar aut bhee iss buraaee mein parr sakktay hai, magar aap bhee tou maaniye, Sipah Sahaba yaa Jam'aat Islami kaa eik pamphlet pooray mulk kou gumraah karr sakktaa hai, aur karrtaa rahaa hai

Mashriqi Pakistan mein Jam'aat kay Al Badr aur Al Shams Brigades kay kaar haye nuamayaan bhool gaye aap?

Karachi University, Punjab Ubiversity mein, aur idhar uhar kyaa karrtay rahay? Bhool gaye aap?

Your point makes my case even stronger. Afghanistan was *exhausted* after decades of fighting/infighting, among heavily militarized factions. Only THEN the taliban were able to take over a weakened country.

Pakistan mein yeh kub huwa bhai?

Hamm kabb keh rahay hain keh huwa. Hamm tou keh rahay hain, iss kee naubat hee naheen aanay dayn gay

Pakistan say tumko lay day ko 2 misaalain mileen, unn mein say bhee aik ZA Bhutto kee jo irrelevant hay. Maududi's party is hardly anti-establishment, so his example also doesn't apply. In fact it's Jamaat's open strategy to join the establishment to create the change.

Bhutto kee misaal irrelevant naheen hai. Woh bhee demagogue hee thaa. Maudoodi peh, app bhool gaye hai, 1963 mein baghawat kaa muqaddemah chala thaa. Usay maut kee saza hou sakktee thee, Maulvi Mushtaq usay nikal kay lay gyaa. Laikin Maudoodi nay compromise naheen kiya thaa, agar saza hou jaatee tou tou latak jaata. Jam'aat hai anti establishment, magar barray paimaanay peh establishment kou infiltrate kiye huway hai,

Hardly comparable with the Taliban. In fact I don't even consider Taliban a 'movement'. It had NO idealogical or intellectual guidance, only military one, even that from an outside entity (ISI). The local phenomenon is exactly what you said earlier: a nuisance.

Jee nuisance hai, laikin aisa bhee naheen keh issay barrhnay diya jaaye. Yeh naamuraad diabetes kee tareh hain ho andar hee andar khokhla karr daytay hai. Look at their Madressehs. Over 17, 000. Look at their militant outfits. Over two dozen at least. Look at the ratio of maulvis per thousand population and doctors per thousand population in Pakistan!

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(bismillah) (salam)

(1) Maine tou aksar ko galiyan sunate suna hai Musharraf ko. Sab mulk ko tou main janta nahi hoon, apne ilaqe ka pata hai, sab lanat karte hain es par. Waise kuch maheene pehle kahi se shurshuri chori thi kisi ne keh yeh SHIA hai, koi shayad Hajj se aae the aur yeh shurshuri chori thi keh waha ek Shia aalim mila, usne bataya keh Musharaf shia hai, zaahir nahi karna chahta aur usne un aalim ko kaha keh mere tawaf ada kardo :S. Es se bari shurshuri maine apni zindagi main kabhi nahi suni. Awwal tou yeh banda shia nahi hai, agar chup chupa ke bhi huwa tou mujhe es se koi khushi nahi hui.

.........

I don't remember where that was telecasted but I heard in one of his interview (where his wife was there too) that he said "Main saadaat mein sey hoon" Allahu Alam.... Waise yeh malum ker ke mujhe bhee koi khaas khushi nahin huee :D

Wassalam

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dou toke jawaab dayn.

MMA jaisey bay-kirdaar aur ryaakaar eik taraf hain, musharraf aur uss kay saathyoun jaisey bay-kirdaar aur ryaakaar doosree taraf. Shia kou kis kaa saaath daina chaahiye aur kyoun?

(salam)

Kisi ka naheen.

Kyunkay ma'sumeen (as) ki sunnat yehi hey: Na Banu Umayya ka saath dia jo Karbala k zalimeen thay, na Banu Abbas ka jo inteqaam-e Karbala ka jhoota naara ley k uthay thay!

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Ammaanabba dou toke jawaab dayn.

MMA jaisey bay-kirdaar aur ryaakaar eik taraf hain, musharraf aur uss kay saathyoun jaisey bay-kirdaar aur ryaakaar doosree taraf. Shia kou kis kaa saaath daina chaahiye aur kyoun?

1. Issuing 'illegal' detention orders for the CJ of Pakistan.

2. Getting intelligence agencies to take control of his office.

3. Trying to persuade him to resign.

4. Using his favorite terrorist party aka MQM to kill innocent civilians in Karachi.

5. Killing a close work associate of the CJ, Hammad Raza.

6. Stating in his addresses that only 'he' and not even the Supreme Court of Pakistan know the true facts behind the filing of this reference (I can't wait to see him on National Television trying to state the 'real' reasons citing which he filed this reference ).

Of course the above points should make you bloody proud of your beloved President.

Mushy the retard went overboard in order to bring the Pakistani judiciary under his military boot, only to be 'slapped' back by the civilians of Pakistan.

App ki akal app ko kiya batati hai?Zaroori hai kay MMA ka hi sath dein.Kis ne kaha hai kay Pakistan mein sirf Military aur Mullah ka raaj chala ga.Pehlay hota aya hai tou is ka matlab yeh tori wahi galtiyan bar bar dorayeen jayeen,admi galti se seekta hai aur meray kayal se awam ne sabak seek lia hai tou is barey mein behas na hi ki jaye tou betar hai. Plus wahi Dr.shahid masood wali baat kia app Musharaff kay do kuttay dek kar unki enlightened moderation se impress ho gaye thay kia. Ab waqt a gaya hai kay amm admi apney dimag istimal kartey hua kuch akal se kaam le kiunke ab mazeeed galtiyoon ki gunjaish nahi reh gaye hai.

Times up for the extra-constitutional measures and extra-judicial acts on part of the executive, for now he'll be [Edited Out] slapped back into his place, if he ever tried going outside the constitution of Pakistan again.

umeed hai app ko app ka jawab mil gaya ho ga.

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^^ I am not a big Fan of Mushy, however, who is the better choice we have under these circumstances to rule over us ? In my opinion he is worse choice among the worst people we have to rule over us !!

Just name any Person who is capable as well as able to form Govt!!

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^^ I am not a big Fan of Mushy, however, who is the better choice we have under these circumstances to rule over us ? In my opinion he is worse choice among the worst people we have to rule over us !!

Just name any Person who is capable as well as able to form Govt!!

Did you even bother reading what i just wrote.

Imran khan and i have answered that question in the politics section Bleh .. i'm not repeating myself all over again.

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mushy with imran would be a good choice, but poor immy can't get more than 1/2 seats.

i even think mushy was initially wanting imran to come on board.

the problem is not mushy, i think he is by far the best you have

not a dakoo lutera chor like benazir/nawaz. these two want to collect payment for all they have ammassed in the uk.

mushy is stuck with the american democracy appeasement for the sake of staying afloat in monetary terms.

could have possibly done better with the proceeds.

don't worry about the public, the majority of our public are the cruder cousins of horses.

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1. Issuing 'illegal' detention orders for the CJ of Pakistan.

2. Getting intelligence agencies to take control of his office.

3. Trying to persuade him to resign.

4. Using his favorite terrorist party aka MQM to kill innocent civilians in Karachi.

5. Killing a close work associate of the CJ, Hammad Raza.

6. Stating in his addresses that only 'he' and not even the Supreme Court of Pakistan know the true facts behind the filing of this reference (I can't wait to see him on National Television trying to state the 'real' reasons citing which he filed this reference ).

Of course the above points should make you bloody proud of your beloved President.

Mushy the retard went overboard in order to bring the Pakistani judiciary under his military boot, only to be 'slapped' back by the civilians of Pakistan.

App ki akal app ko kiya batati hai?Zaroori hai kay MMA ka hi sath dein.Kis ne kaha hai kay Pakistan mein sirf Military aur Mullah ka raaj chala ga.Pehlay hota aya hai tou is ka matlab yeh tori wahi galtiyan bar bar dorayeen jayeen,admi galti se seekta hai aur meray kayal se awam ne sabak seek lia hai tou is barey mein behas na hi ki jaye tou betar hai. Plus wahi Dr.shahid masood wali baat kia app Musharaff kay do kuttay dek kar unki enlightened moderation se impress ho gaye thay kia. Ab waqt a gaya hai kay amm admi apney dimag istimal kartey hua kuch akal se kaam le kiunke ab mazeeed galtiyoon ki gunjaish nahi reh gaye hai.

Times up for the extra-constitutional measures and extra-judicial acts on part of the executive, for now he'll be [Edited Out] slapped back into his place, if he ever tried going outside the constitution of Pakistan again.

umeed hai app ko app ka jawab mil gaya ho ga.

(salam)

Ammanabba

Yeh sabb barra zulm hain, yaa logoun kou Allah kaa naam baich karr dhokaa daina?

Bilkul usee tareh, jaisey b'aad azz Karbala, mukhtalif loug khoon-e-Hussain kaa d'aawa lay uththay aur iqredaar peh qaabiz hou kay, aal-e-Mohammad aur unn kay maan'nay waaloun peh mazeed zulm karrtay rahay.

Yeh silsila aaj bhee jaaree hai.

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mushy with imran would be a good choice, but poor immy can't get more than 1/2 seats.

i even think mushy was initially wanting imran to come on board.

the problem is not mushy, i think he is by far the best you have

not a dakoo lutera chor like benazir/nawaz. these two want to collect payment for all they have ammassed in the uk.

mushy is stuck with the american democracy appeasement for the sake of staying afloat in monetary terms.

could have possibly done better with the proceeds.

don't worry about the public, the majority of our public are the cruder cousins of horses.

One wi9shes people would substantiate the claims they make.

The government of Pakistan, despite all the official macinery and "jhurloo" available to it, has not been able to make even one charge stick against Benazir in any court of law.

So its all slander.

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One wi9shes people would substantiate the claims they make.

The government of Pakistan, despite all the official macinery and "jhurloo" available to it, has not been able to make even one charge stick against Benazir in any court of law.

So its all slander.

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sis rawshni

i have seen the house of benazir myself(zardari palace) and the flats of nawaz(park lane),

they had nothing before their tenures.

another house worth 30M has been bought recently,

when you say proof, don't know if the govt is really serious about sticking the charges or want to do nura kushti.

imran is clean as far as money goes and possibly mushy too.

when i say mushi is best, trust me i don't mean an angel.

i think he does not want these luteras to have it again.

but guess his choices are getting narrower and narrower, possibly to a point where he might fully compromise himself.

imran is not a bad choice but he needs some experience with him

hence the revived powers of the judiciary and some sort of a share with mushi for 5 years and then possibly if all goes well

imran.

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sis rawshni

i have seen the house of benazir myself(zardari palace) and the flats of nawaz(park lane),

they had nothing before their tenures.

Kya ho gaya bhai?

Benazir was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Jaddi pushti raees aur siayatdaan hain yeh log. Benazir Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto ki poti hay. Ghaliban Aurangzeb ke zamanay me in ke ajdad nay Hinduism tark karke Islam qubool kia tha, jiski bina per Aurangzeb nay inhe bay tahasha zameen aur jaidaad inayat ki thee.

Aur Nawaz Shareef ki Ittefaq Foundaries bhi barso say bani huee hay...hukumat me akar faida hasil kia hogaya laiken aisa nahi hay ke "they had nothing" and now they have millions of dollars of properties.

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Benazir+Musharraf is the best available combination right now...

Musharraf needs to get-rid of the chauhdries and to enter into an alliance with Benazir.

Khuda gharat karay Farooq Leghari ko,yay shakhs sab say ziyadah bak-bak kar raha hai benazir kay khilaf Q-league ki meetings mein.66 kay batch ka hai aur bearaucracy mein khasa influential hai.jab bhi BB say alliance ki baat hoti hai tou leghari kehta hai " Is aurat ko mujh say ziyadah koi nahi jaanta,is par bharosa na karna ". leghari aik ehsaan-faramosh shakhs hai,bhutto khandan ki jutiyan chaat kar unhi par bhonkta hai.Shayad isiliye mawla Ali nay farmaya tha kay" Jis par ehsaan karo,us kay shar say daro".

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