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Turkey’s Islamic Ruling Party Wins Key Election

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Turkey’s Islamic ruling party wins key election

Parliamentary vote held early due to growing tension with secularists

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey’s Islamic-rooted ruling party won parliamentary elections by a wide margin Sunday, and the prime minister pledged to safeguard the country’s secular traditions and do whatever the government deems necessary to fight separatist Kurdish rebels.

With more than 99 percent of votes counted, television news channels were projecting that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party would win 341 of the 550 seats, down from 351 in the outgoing parliament.

Erdogan, a devout Muslim, told supporters in his victory speech that he would preserve pluralistic democracy and work for national unity.

Taken from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19893188/

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MashAllah this shows the Ummah even in a secular anti Islamic country like Turkey where hijab is banned in government offices and certain verses of the Quran are banned from being read in Khutba's and despite all this the muslims and population voted for ISlam over other secular parties. It shows muslims will always choose Islam over secularism even if the so called ISlamic party isn't that ISalmic and adheres to kuffr concepts such as democracy. Even so the Ummah has sincere intentions despite the politics of our leader who at the moment (well most of them) are playing dirty politics with the Muslims.

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You don't know much about AKP, do you?

Again, I find it ironic that you go around whining against democracy, yet you still continue to live in one. Yes I have heard your excuses over and over, but surely if someone has strong convictions against democracy, then perhaps they would not be living in one in the first place.

I hear al-Ghurabaa are looking for more brainwashed delusional young Muslims like yourself to bolster their ranks, why not join them?

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You don't know much about AKP, do you?

I'm guessing you probably don't either.

Again, I find it ironic that you go around whining against democracy, yet you still continue to live in one. Yes I have heard your excuses over and over, but surely if someone has strong convictions against democracy, then perhaps they would not be living in one in the first place.

Well, actually, this election was a triumph of democracy, although it's a little hardcore that they are forced to vote by law. But anyway.

What could be possibly perceived as undemocratic is when the NATO-backed military threatens to execute a coup d'etat when the democratically elected parliament proposes a candidate for president who is not Godlessly secular enough for them. As someone with an appreciation for Republican government, that sort of thing troubles me.

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The last thing the Western powers want is democrary in Muslim lands. Doing so will only lead to unfavorable results for the Imperialists and the Zionists.

This is why they would much rather instill puppet regimes.

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The last thing the Western powers want is democrary in Muslim lands. Doing so will only lead to unfavorable results for the Imperialists and the Zionists.

This is why they would much rather instill puppet regimes.

MashAllah someone who understands the political situation in the world at the moment instead of mixing emotian with politics.

You don't know much about AKP, do you?

Like I said the ummah had the right intentions of voting for Islam and wether the AKP was indeed Islamic or not they thought it was and thats all that mattered.

Again, I find it ironic that you go around whining against democracy, yet you still continue to live in one. Yes I have heard your excuses over and over, but surely if someone has strong convictions against democracy, then perhaps they would not be living in one in the first place.

Brother do you even understand what Democracy is because you should check on the general discussions and there is a thread in thier where democracy is discussed and it is proven beyond doubt that it is haraam. If not then start a thread about Democracy and why you think it is so good, providing you understand what it means.

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What could be possibly perceived as undemocratic is when the NATO-backed military threatens to execute a coup d'etat when the democratically elected parliament proposes a candidate for president who is not Godlessly secular enough for them. As someone with an appreciation for Republican government, that sort of thing troubles me.

I have a friend who recently returned from living in Turkey for a year, and she says that the population's view of the military is complicated, unlike that of Western countries. The military really is viewed as being the "defenders of Turkishness" and definitely are not viewed as being the puppets of foreign influence. It's hard to understand if you're not from Turkey, but apparently it's deeply written into their concept of nationalism. So rather, the adjective "NATO-backed" is misleading.

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Brother do you even understand what Democracy is because you should check on the general discussions and there is a thread in thier where democracy is discussed and it is proven beyond doubt that it is haraam. If not then start a thread about Democracy and why you think it is so good, providing you understand what it means.

On another note, how can the concept of democracy be haraam when the Sunni Caliphate is supposed to be democratically elected? I know that Shia don't accept the idea of Caliphate as the ultimate authority, but if the Sunni believe it then it can't be expressly forbidden, can it?

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I have a friend who recently returned from living in Turkey for a year, and she says that the population's view of the military is complicated, unlike that of Western countries. The military really is viewed as being the "defenders of Turkishness" and definitely are not viewed as being the puppets of foreign influence. It's hard to understand if you're not from Turkey, but apparently it's deeply written into their concept of nationalism. So rather, the adjective "NATO-backed" is misleading.

My understanding is that Turks' views of the military are more mixed. The institution certainly has a rather bad history of respecting the democratic will of the people. Yes, in a stable political system, you need mechanisms to prevent too rapid and destabilizing swings from whims in public opinion. but you need a less blunt mechanism than military coups to do that. I don't think people there respect the number of times the military has intervened in the process in the last 40 years. And from all I've read, while the people are not fans of fundamentalism, they are WAY ahead of the curve of the secularlist minority in terms of how much they want religion to be part of the public sphere.

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On another note, how can the concept of democracy be haraam when the Sunni Caliphate is supposed to be democratically elected? I know that Shia don't accept the idea of Caliphate as the ultimate authority, but if the Sunni believe it then it can't be expressly forbidden, can it?

Democracy does not mean voting. Voting for a leader is called electorial leadership whereas democracy is something completely different. Do some research on it because i cant keep on posting lenghty discussions or articles explaining Democracy.

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By reading most of the replies on here i realised that most of you do not understand truly what democracy is. Democracy comes from the greek root words "DEMOS" and "CRATOS" which means rule of the people, not elction of the people. Certain words like Democracy have a fixed meaning by the people who founded the idea and Democracy actually means "Rule of the people, For the people, By the people". Now in that Statement where does Allah have a say ?. Democracy makes man the legislator wheras we muslims get all laws of life from Allah.

DEMOCRACY IS NOT AN ELECTORIAL PROCESS, get over it.

Democracy is the political framework of the Capitalist thought, i.e. the ruling system that the Capitalist states and their like implement. Democracy, for those who embrace it, means that people rule themselves by themselves with the systems that they choose. Oftentimes, Capitalists refer to their system as "The Democratic System", but such a connotation is incorrect for more than one reason:

Democracy was not innovated by the Capitalists but had been preceded by the Greeks. Moreover, they were not the only ones who implemented it; the Marxist-Socialists claimed that they were democrats and they consistently pretended that they implemented democracy.

The most important element of democracy is that it makes the human being and not the Creator as the legislator, which is logical for those who call for the detachment of religion from life because this detachment means to transfer the right to legislate from the Creator to the human being. The Capitalists, in this issue did not discuss whether the Creator has obliged man to follow a certain law and implement it in his life, nor did they even examine this issue at all, rather they appointed man as the legislator without any discussion.

For Muslims to adopt democracy means to disbelieve in all - may Allah forbid - the decisive and conclusive evidences, among which are many Qur’anic verses which oblige them to follow the law of Allah and to reject any other law. Moreover, these verses consider any one of them who does not follow or implement the law of Allah as either a Kafir, a zalim, or a fasiq, "And those who do not rule by whatever Allah has revealed are non-believers (Kafiroon)." [TMQ 5:44] "And those who do not rule by whatever Allah has revealed are oppressors (zalimoon)." [TMQ 5:45] "And those who do not rule by whatever Allah has revealed are transgressors (fasiqoon)." [TMQ 5:47]

Thus, whoever does not rule by whatever Allah has revealed, denying Allah’s right to legislate, as is the case with those who believe in democracy, is a Kafir according to the explicit words of the Qur’an, because by doing so he is rejecting those decisive verses, and denying a conclusive text makes a person a Kafir

All the people who voted yes, well i hope they either never understood the true meaning of Democracy becuase had they knowingly voted yes they would have rejected a clear cut decisive verse of the Quran, which results in KUFFR. So the yes men on this poll need to think.

This is what i posted on the thread http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...25&start=25

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The last thing the Western powers want is democrary in Muslim lands. Doing so will only lead to unfavorable results for the Imperialists and the Zionists.

This is why they would much rather instill puppet regimes.

Okay, if the western governments don't want democracy, and islamic republics don't want democracy, then who the heck does want democracy?

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Democracy does not mean voting. Voting for a leader is called electorial leadership whereas democracy is something completely different. Do some research on it because i cant keep on posting lenghty discussions or articles explaining Democracy.

Fair enough, it seems the only disagreement is merely a linguistic one. There are no Athenian democracies in the world today anyway, merely democratic republics. Whether you believe the etymology of the word is incorrectly used, it seems a bit like nitpicking to me.

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Okay, if the western governments don't want democracy, and islamic republics don't want democracy, then who the heck does want democracy?

better question;how do u spot a troller?by counting the number of posts that end with a question mark.

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I know a lot about AKP because i live in Turkey and read a lot of books about them. This party is not a real islamic party. Party's president once said that he is the co-president of the 'great middle east project'(America's project about middle east) They have very very good relations with USA and EU and jews but not with islamic countries. And most of the Turkish people like me trust their army.

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If democracy is haram then surely the internet is haram too!! :shaytan:

People love playing God these days..

They have very very good relations with USA and EU and jews but not with islamic countries. And most of the Turkish people like me trust their army.

Good for your country man. Turkey will only advance as it continues to look West instead of East.

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If democracy is haram then surely the internet is haram too!!

People love playing God these days..

Nobody is playing God but if you have any evidence which abrogate the desicive verses of the Quran that I posted or you have any stronger understanding of what democracy is or how it fits in with Islam then post your reply and bring your daleel.

The fact that you are ignoring the kuffr in democracy means you are playing God because you choose to make halal what is haraam based on emotions or maybe misconceptions. Research Democracy and its roots then research Islamic sharia and Islamic government and you will find that Islam answers all the vital questions of soceity much better than democracy does and especially the needs of the people and the freedom of the people. So it seems Islam is the true power to the people wheras Democracy claims to be but fails and has been failing since it was started by the Greeks.

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