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Report: Iran Was Right All Along - Britain Trespassed

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A British map of the northern Persian Gulf where Iran seized 15 naval personnel in March was not as accurate as it should have been and Britain was fortunate Iran did not contest it, a review into the crisis said on Sunday.

The parliamentary report also said Britain's Foreign Office should name the person who let two sailors sell their stories to the media, a decision widely criticised for handing a propaganda coup to Britain's enemies and embarrassing serving troops.

The report by the Foreign Affairs Committee (FAC) said the Foreign Office's overall approach could not be faulted, but it said efforts should have been made to contact key Iranian negotiator Ali Larijani sooner.

Iranian Revolutionary Guards seized 15 British personnel in the northern Persian Gulf in March, sparking a 13-day standoff that ended when Iran's president freed them, a day after Larijani spoke to a senior adviser to then Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Larijani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, is regarded as a pragmatist more amenable to exploring a bargain with the West than hardliner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Britain first applied to speak to Larijani seven days into the crisis.

Britain insists the personnel were in Iraqi territorial waters on a UN-backed mission when they were seized. Iran says the British sailors had strayed into its territory.

A British Ministry of Defence map published during the crisis showed a territorial water boundary extending from the Shatt al-Arab waterway that separates Iran and Iraq out to sea.

However, experts say no maritime boundary between the two countries has been agreed and the line was based on a 1975 land boundary that could have shifted over time if the centre of the waterway had moved due to natural causes.

"We conclude that there is evidence to suggest that the map of the Shatt al-Arab waterway provided by the government was less clear than it ought to have been," the report said.

"The government was fortunate that it was not in Iran's interests to contest the accuracy of the map."

Britain and Iran provided different coordinates for the location of the capture. The report did not make a definitive conclusion on the accuracy of the map or whether the sailors were in Iraqi or Iranian waters.

It quoted Martin Pratt, director of research at the International Boundaries Research Unit at Durham University, as saying that if the British coordinates were correct, it was difficult to see how Iran's claim could be legitimate.

"Nevertheless, there are sufficient uncertainties over boundary definition in the area to make it inadvisable to state categorically that the vessel was in Iraqi waters," he was quoted as saying.

He said the map was "certainly an oversimplification" and could be regarded as "deliberately misleading".

The Foreign Office said it was pleased the report praised its overall approach. It was considering some recommendations and leaving others for the Ministry of Defence to address. The Ministry of Defence also said it would study the report.

Compiled by members of parliament, the report said it was "wholly unsatisfactory" that a previous report into the affair had been unable to say who was responsible for authorising payment for the stories of the personnel after they were freed.

"We recommend ... the (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) set out who specifically took the decision to authorise the naval personnel to sell their stories to the media," it said.

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Britain and Iran provided different coordinates for the location of the capture. The report did not make a definitive conclusion on the accuracy of the map or whether the sailors were in Iraqi or Iranian waters.

For this and various other reasons, I doubt we will ever know if Britain trespassed or not. In any case, the waters are contested, so even if the British map had been more accurate they still would have held the border at a different point than Iran's claim.

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Nicely done waiting :)

Nicely done? The admission by the UK that this border is in dispute, a particular map used was incorrect and the fact that they have an open transparent investigation should lend congratulations to the UK.

... a far leap to "Iran was right all along"

.... Did Iran have the nerve to put itself though a similiar introspective investigation. Me thinks not

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Nicely done? The admission by the UK that this border is in dispute, a particular map used was incorrect and the fact that they have an open transparent investigation should lend congratulations to the UK.

... a far leap to "Iran was right all along"

.... Did Iran have the nerve to put itself though a similiar introspective investigation. Me thinks not

Wait, I'm not quite sure if I understand correctly :blink:

You're saying Britian should be applauded because they picked up on the fact that their map was wrong ?

In addition, for some reason you also automatically assume that Iran hasn't gone through a "similiar introspective investigation" ?

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Right all along? They were right to kidnap people and make a big fuss about it?

You will accept anything to justify the things this whacked out country does.

What about the Iranians that the US has kidnapped?

Whoops, of course they don't 'kidnap' or hold 'hostage', they just 'detain'.

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Wait, I'm not quite sure if I understand correctly :blink:

You're saying Britian should be applauded because they picked up on the fact that their map was wrong ?

Your missing the point. they should be applauded for performing the investigation and owning up to what mistakes they did make.... that the confrontation took place in a disputed border of Iraq and Iran and the use of one particular map at one particular news conference was inaccurate.

In addition, for some reason you also automatically assume that Iran hasn't gone through a "similiar introspective investigation" ?

...So where is it?

...what was their explanation for giving two different coordinates of the confrontation within the first 36 hrs? the first one in iraqi waters and the second set in the disputed waters lol

POINT BEING..... the UK govt provided this investigation as a check/balance. They dont do those type of things in a theocracy.

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Your missing the point. they should be applauded for performing the investigation and owning up to what mistakes they did make.... that the confrontation took place in a disputed border of Iraq and Iran and the use of one particular map at one particular news conference was inaccurate.

Fool. That's exactly what I just said:

You're saying Britian should be applauded because they picked up on the fact that their map was wrong ?

And then you say "Your missing the point" :blink:

Fact is though, Iran's map was right all along.. That deserves an applaud in itself also..

...what was their explanation for giving two different coordinates of the confrontation within the first 36 hrs? the first one in iraqi waters and the second set in the disputed waters lol

From the British point of view..

...So where is it?

What - You want to me send Ahmadinjead an email, so we can ask him to post the result of the investigation online for us all ? Yeah ?

POINT BEING..... the UK govt provided this investigation as a check/balance.

You speak as if you have read the entire report published by the UK..

In that case, send me a copy too, so I can also read :)

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Fool. That's exactly what I just said:

And then you say "Your missing the point"

uh no that wasn't exactly what you said and if you said essentially the same thing, it doesnt mean you didnt miss the point. And obviously you take me for a fool, idiot. see I can resort to name calling also :D

Fact is though, Iran's map was right all along.. That deserves an applaud in itself also..

claiming multiple coordinates, wrong one of those times weren't they :wacko:

What - You want to me send Ahmadinjead an email, so we can ask him to post the result of the investigation online for us all ? Yeah ?

ok, better yet how about have someone contact a local representative like you can in the uk and see how far they get. word of caution though, dont hold your breath expecting a response

You speak as if you have read the entire report published by the UK..

In that case, send me a copy too, so I can also read :)

find it yourself as you are a resident of the uk. www.parliament.uk

oh ok, let the American do the work for you ;)

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find it yourself as you are a resident of the uk. www.parliament.uk

Well done. Likewise, I can also post a random link of the Islamic Republic of Iran's Government:

www.mfa.gov.ir/

You've proven nothing - I still want the report from you.. Otherwise, your entire argument falls apart, as you havn't even read the report yourself - but are making such conclusions from it.. :)

ok, better yet how about have someone contact a local representative like you can in the uk and see how far they get. word of caution though, dont hold your breath expecting a response

*sigh*

I really shoulda put more sarcasm into that -_-

uh no that wasn't exactly what you said and if you said essentially the same thing, it doesnt mean you didnt miss the point. And obviously you take me for a fool, idiot. see I can resort to name calling also

:!!!:

Now that has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard :P

Probably tops even some of FFR's remarks :lol:

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Well done. Likewise, I can also post a random link of the Islamic Republic of Iran's Government:

www.mfa.gov.ir/

You've proven nothing - I still want the report from you.. Otherwise, your entire argument falls apart, as you havn't even read the report yourself - but are making such conclusions from it.. :)

*sigh*

*Sigh* is right. very well then...I'll lay it in your lap Foreign Policy Aspects of the Detention of Naval Personnel by the Islamic Republic of Iran

...now could you please return the favour and point to a similiar self-critique of Iran? :P

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