Hizb Ut Tahrir Asked Khomeini To Be Caliph

[UndercoverBrother]

“We met Khomeini in France before he took power and impressed upon him the need to rule by Islam, establishing a state for all Muslims and not subscribing to a narrow school of thought which creates division. The initial discussions were positive. Consequently we sent a delegation to Tehran led by the late Ahmed Daur, the famous Jordanian member of HT and former member of the Jordanian Parliament. On that occasion, we were unhappy with the response we received from Khomeini, and understood after discussions, that Iran was on its way to becoming another colorless Muslim state, of which we have too many. In particular we saw his vision for a state falling short of what Islam required.” [Jalaluddin Patel]

“Actually HT sent some teams to Iran. They did not believe, like I do now, that Shias in general and Khomeini in particular, are Mushrik (Polytheists). They saw Khomeini as a Muslim, but viewed his regime as Kufr (non-Islamic). They sent some teams to Iran after Khomeini came to power and offered to make him the Khalifah (Caliph) of all the Muslims. Khomeini rejected their offer despite the fact he was a champion of the Velayat al-Faqih system.”

"HT offered to him to become a Khaleef if he implement Islam" [Omar Bakri Mohammad]

“Delegation to Tehran

In early days of the Iranian revolution the Party sent a delegation to Khomeini in Paris and then twice to Iran to discuss the question of Iran becoming the Islamic State. The Party met with Khomeini and the Council of Experts formed to draft the constitution. In spite of discussing and convincing the Council of Experts to establish an Islamic constitution, the constitution that was finally published, on instruction of Ayatollah Khomeni contradicted Islam and the ideas put forward by the Party on a number of counts. In particular, the Party considered Iran to be a nationalistic and sectarian, i.e., shi'a state built on the concept of Wilayat ul Faqih, with a republican style presidency, split powers of authority, a capitalist economy and a non-Islamic foreign policy.” [Al-Fajr Magazine, April 1990]

Salaam

Hizb ut Tahrir if you already dont know is the only non violent political party which calls for the reastablishment of the Islamic Khilafah, they are like wahabis and have the same ideology exept they dont preach violence and they have a good view of Shias. Infact they are even denounced by other wahabis and sunnis for respecting shias as muslim brothers so that does tell you something.

Anyway why is it that they did not find that Ayatollah khomeini's Iran was not Islamic as it had all the making of a capitilistic state with a few sharia laws and beliefs attached to the constitution. Also why didn't Khomeni accept this in order to unite muslims world wide under one shia ruler instead of lets face it just Iranians. Many of the Savafid dynasties great kings called themselves Caliph so would it have really been that bad if all Sunnis and Shias flocked to Iran to live under the Kilafah of Khomeini.

Just something which i found extremely interesting on the net and thought I would share with you and see your views on this topic.

[Fiasco]

(salam)

That's very interesting.

I read up on them after a saw this thread. I like what they have to say.

[UndercoverBrother]

That's very interesting.

I read up on them after a saw this thread. I like what they have to say.

Yeah and Omar Bakri thier former leader in the UK was booted out because of his views of Shia and not regarding them as muslim brothers so he went and started his own group.

[muhammad_follower]

Maybe the group wanted a more sunni style government that they proposed to him, which he rejected.

[Anti-Wahhabi]

Hizb-ut-Tahrir are nothing but a bunch of retards.

[Iqra]

Hizb-ut-Tahrir are nothing but a bunch of retards.

Agreed. Most that support them in the UK give Islam a bad name. They rant and rave about setting up Shariah law in the UK - talk like this only gives groups like the NF and BNP fuel to kick our Muslim arses out of the country.

Edited July 13, 2007 by Dr. Strangelove

[farris]

(salam)

HT in UK dont call shias kaffir like the other sunnis do. they still admire the iranian regime and supported hizbullah against israel. they oppose the saudi regime in particluar and whenever the imams of the haram shareef like sheikh sudais comes to the UK they are always protesting wherever he goes. but at the time of ayatullah khomeini when he first came into power got alot of support in the sunni world because of the shah and also they didnt know what shia islam was.

even now they despise the regimes in pakistan and saudi arabia more than the iranian one

[Anti-Wahhabi]

(salam)

HT in UK dont call shias kaffir like the other sunnis do. they still admire the iranian regime and supported hizbullah against israel. they oppose the saudi regime in particluar and whenever the imams of the haram shareef like sheikh sudais comes to the UK they are always protesting wherever he goes. but at the time of ayatullah khomeini when he first came into power got alot of support in the sunni world because of the shah and also they didnt know what shia islam was.

even now they despise the regimes in pakistan and saudi arabia more than the iranian one

Good for them, but still doesn't change the fact that they're a bunch of idealistic retards and do nothing but stir up [Edited Out] for no reason.

Is it any wonder that they are banned in almost every Muslim country? :lol:

[farris]

Good for them, but still doesn't change the fact that they're a bunch of idealistic retards and do nothing but stir up [Edited Out] for no reason.

Is it any wonder that they are banned in almost every Muslim country? :lol:

WHAT?????!!!!!!???

the reason why HT is banned in the most muslim countries is because they want to change the dictatorial muslim countries to a khalifa system - hence why they are banned. they are banned for poltical reasons only and not as an indicement against HT. there is a difference between al muhajiroon and HT also.

are they retards??? i would say no

but i would say that i dont agree with their thinking

[UndercoverBrother]

Same here I would say that they are good people amongst them who have the right intention but at times can be mislead, anyway they are a political party that does not prescribe to any Madhab in particular so why are you criticising them so much.

Also brother they do not want to establish sharia in the UK but in the muslim lands and they are campaning in the Uk because they have the right to do so instead of in the muslim lands where they are caught and tortured.

[farris]

Same here I would say that they are good people amongst them who have the right intention but at times can be mislead, anyway they are a political party that does not prescribe to any Madhab in particular so why are you criticising them so much.

Also brother they do not want to establish sharia in the UK but in the muslim lands and they are campaning in the Uk because they have the right to do so instead of in the muslim lands where they are caught and tortured.

i agree. also its al muhajiroon who misguidedly want the sharia established in the UK - people such as sheikh omar kakhri muhammad and anjam choudray.

[Anti-Wahhabi]

They are so great, that's why these retards protested in Bangladesh against Dr. Mohammed Yunus and even going as far as calling him a "puppet of the West".

What have these retards done that have helped promote the betterment of Muslims besides burning buildings and threatening attacks on people who do not want Shariah?

[UndercoverBrother]

What have these retards done that have helped promote the betterment of Muslims besides burning buildings and threatening attacks on people who do not want Shariah?

Brother so you are trying to tell me that you do not want or call for Sharia law but would rather prefer secular kuffr law.

Also name one incident in which Hizb ut Tahrir commited a terorist attack and claimed responsibilty.

[Anti-Wahhabi]

Brother so you are trying to tell me that you do not want or call for Sharia law but would rather prefer secular kuffr law.

Also name one incident in which Hizb ut Tahrir commited a terorist attack and claimed responsibilty.

You don't seem to understand that a Muslim can live happily in a non-Shariah country under non-Shariah laws. You on the other hand are the typical whiney little leech who comes to the West and lives off of the fat of the land while biting the hands that feed them.

Look at Sheikh Omar Bakri and the rest of the al-Muhajiroun idiots. They were once Hizb-ut-Tahrir members too you know. Anyone who enters Hizb ends up becoming a lot more radical when they leave.

Look up their protest they held in Bangladesh against Dr. Mohammed Yunus, calling him a puppet of the West. Dr Yunus has done more for Muslims than these Hizb-i-Retards have.

Oh wait, I forgot, I'm talking to a clown who thinks Yvonne Ridley is a great Muslimah, despite the fact that she supported the attacks in Amman against innocent Muslims.

Edited July 14, 2007 by Anti-Wahhabi

[UndercoverBrother]

You don't seem to understand that a Muslim can live happily in a non-Shariah country under non-Shariah laws. You on the other hand are the typical whiney little leech who comes to the West and lives off of the fat of the land while biting the hands that feed them.

Oh please stop you sound like the BNP man telling me to get out of the UK and love blindly the country that has given you a free education e.t.c. Well have you ever heard of the foreign policy of capitalism which is Colonialism and did you also know that they colonised all of Hind including what is now known as Pakistan. Did you know what happend during the british Raj of India, how they the kufaar raped the land controlled the political destiny and education of that whole region. Our ancestors suffering is unimaginable and you like to compare that with a free education and Doll. Also Allah is the one that gives us Rizk and not the british government or thier stooges.

Foreign Office,

November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

Thousands of innocent muslims die as Israel attacks Palestine and Lebonan and the root cause of that illigitimate state was the British, but its ok for you because you sold out the lives of muslims to a free education.

Also brother cheap personal remarks and emotion wil get neither of us anywhere !

[Anti-Wahhabi]

Oh please stop you sound like the BNP man telling me to get out of the UK and love blindly the country that has given you a free education e.t.c. Well have you ever heard of the foreign policy of capitalism which is Colonialism and did you also know that they colonised all of Hind including what is now known as Pakistan. Did you know what happend during the british Raj of India, how they the kufaar raped the land controlled the political destiny and education of that whole region. Our ancestors suffering is unimaginable and you like to compare that with a free education and Doll. Also Allah is the one that gives us Rizk and not the british government or thier stooges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

Thousands of innocent muslims die as Israel attacks Palestine and Lebonan and the root cause of that illigitimate state was the British, but its ok for you because you sold out the lives of muslims to a free education.

Also brother cheap personal remarks and emotion wil get neither of us anywhere !

Blah blah blah go back to fobistan you fake wannabe mullah.

[UndercoverBrother]

Blah blah blah go back to fobistan you fake wannabe mullah.

MashAllah look at the intellectual response from our so called Moderate brother who is more tolerant than us and more of a better muslim, well according to the west anyway.