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Al-arabiya: Iran Closed Down Abu Lulu "shrine"

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(salam)

I don't think that Shrine ever belonged to Ba Ba Shoja3 Al-Deen Abu Lou Lou Al-Fayrozi - If he escaped after killing Umar, one only thinks of how exactly he escaped from Arabia to Kashan?

Could it be an inside-job by the Sahaba?

An interesting thought :angel:

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I have an idea: Open the place up one more time, make an announcement there's going to be an all night "la'anathon."

Then once the place is full, close and latch the doors and dynamite the place to the ground.

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(salam)

Congratulations and a round of applause to the Iranian authorities for this mature, positive and constructive move.

Noor, sorry to ruin the "Great Shia warrior that killed Umar out of the love of Ahlul Bayt(as)" party, but Abu Lu'lu'a never made it back to Persia alive, he committed suicide soon after he killed Umar. He was ticked off about money.

Salman al-Farsi is a Persian to be proud of, Abu Lu'lu'a wasn't a significant figure and the reality of his character is grotesquely over-exaggerated.

I have an idea: Open the place up one more time, make an announcement there's going to be an all night "la'anathon."

Then once the place is full, close and latch the doors and dynamite the place to the ground.

LOL, lovin it!!

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he committed suicide soon after he killed Umar. He was ticked off about money

hMM I know you're a moderator and everything, and also everything you say can't really be questioned and is 100% accurate, but will you do a brotha a favour and get sources for that to back it up cuz that's the first time I've heard of it...so please ...thanks a bunch!!!! waheyyyy

And may I also ask anyone what the reason for it's closure was? Was it to promote shia-sunni unity???

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I have an idea: Open the place up one more time, make an announcement there's going to be an all night "la'anathon."

Then once the place is full, close and latch the doors and dynamite the place to the ground.

You do know that you are indirectly calling for mass murder of the lovers of the HouseHold of the Prophet? That was one of the most disgusting comments I've ever heard during my time here at ShiaChat.

Good to hear! I expect such steps will be reciprocated.

Are you really that gullible? You think a Sunni Arab gives a damn about this?

I suggest you read the comments from Sunni Arabs attached to the article, unfortunately most of it is in arabic, but the essence is that Shi'is are misguided enemies of God in 80-85% of the posts.

It's no wonder the Shi'is are in such a pathetic state with the type of Sunni Arab-appeasing types that exist.

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You do know that you are indirectly calling for mass murder of the lovers of the HouseHold of the Prophet? That was one of the most disgusting comments I've ever heard during my time here at ShiaChat.

It's called tongue in cheek, man. Lighten up.

The very fact that there actually exists a shrine to idolize a common criminal murderer takes the whole thing from the start into farce territory.

It's pretty difficult to rationalize commemorating a murderer as being consistent with following the imams of the ahlil bait (as). Any nominal Shia who is sad to see this abomination go is missing something somewhere along the way in terms of basic understanding of the teachings of the imams.

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(salam)

Personally speaking, I don’t think that Shrine ever belonged to Baba Shoja3, as history shows, he was executed for his ‘crime’ – The Sunnis Arabs of the Gulf (I’m excluding Kuwait here) are among the most racist, uneducated and idiotic Sunnis I have ever come across, keep on spreading this lie that the man ‘escaped’ by the help of the…..you guessed it, the Jews, to Iran.

They are the ones who are unreasonable, uneducated, and stupid (since they are de-voided of critical analysis since birth) – After all, we close down A mythical Shrines because they whine like children while they destroy the Prophet’s heritage without a pip from ‘The Islamic Republic’, and the ‘Protector of Shiism’, our beloved Iran.

Perhaps we need some Anti-Sunni radical Wali who actually can give the Pan-Arabist Sunnis the Middle finger.

P.S.

My ‘La’na thons’ take place as I weep before the Holy Gates of Al-Baqee, as I lament its destruction, and lament its control by the true children of Apes and Pigs, the Wahhabis.

(salam)

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(salam)

Personally speaking, I don’t think that Shrine ever belonged to Baba Shoja3, as history shows, he was executed for his ‘crime’ – The Sunnis Arabs of the Gulf (I’m excluding Kuwait here) are among the most racist, uneducated and idiotic Sunnis I have ever come across, keep on spreading this lie that the man ‘escaped’ by the help of the…..you guessed it, the Jews, to Iran.

They are the ones who are unreasonable, uneducated, and stupid (since they are de-voided of critical analysis since birth) – After all, we close down A mythical Shrines because they whine like children while they destroy the Prophet’s heritage without a pip from ‘The Islamic Republic’, and the ‘Protector of Shiism’, our beloved Iran.

Perhaps we need some Anti-Sunni radical Wali who actually can give the Pan-Arabist Sunnis the Middle finger.

P.S.

My ‘La’na thons’ take place as I weep before the Holy Gates of Al-Baqee, as I lament its destruction, and lament its control by the true children of Apes and Pigs, the Wahhabis.

(salam)

RRRRESPEKT^^ YOU MERKED THEM WASTEMANS

big up yourself 14 times

It's called tongue in cheek, man. Lighten up.

The very fact that there actually exists a shrine to idolize a common criminal murderer takes the whole thing from the start into farce territory.

Why was this so called criminal not arrested when he came to Imam Ali (a.s) ?? Imam Ali (a.s) actually let him chill in his house when the 'po-leece' at the time were looking for Abu Lulu..Imam Ali (a.s) obviously being who he was would have been the first to punish the guy...(according to what i've read)

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It's called tongue in cheek, man. Lighten up.

I don't find it funny. Not even the slightest.

The very fact that there actually exists a shrine to idolize a common criminal murderer takes the whole thing from the start into farce territory.

He's not a criminal common murderer. Umar was a criminal common murderer.

It's pretty difficult to rationalize commemorating a murderer as being consistent with following the imams of the ahlil bait as.gif.

It's pretty difficult to rationalize that you have opposition in your heart to commemorating a person who put an end to the biggest enemy of God in his era.

Any nominal Shia who is sad to see this abomination go is missing something somewhere along the way in terms of basic understanding of the teachings of the imams.

Perhaps you need to take a basic course in Shi'i beliefs.

Imam al-Sadiq (AS0 said: "Whoever doubts in the

disbelief of our enemies, is a disbeliever."

- Wasa'il al-Shia, v28, p345, Hadith #34923

- Bihar al-Anwar, v27, p62

Ali Ibn Mahziyar narrated:

Imam al-Baqir (as) said: ... The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "He

who is reluctant to curse whomever Allah has cursed, upon him is the curse

of Allah."

- Rijal al-Kashshi, p528, Hadith #1012

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p318, Hadith #85

Abi Yahya al-Madani narrated that Imam al-Sadiq (as)

taught the following Du'aa to be recited by the Shia after each

prayer:

"O Allah! I ask You by Your great Right/due to send blessings

to Muhammad and his family, a thorough and everlasting

blessing, and enter their lovers and the believers in their

Wilaya --whether they are on the land, on the mountain, or on

the sea-- to the blessing of this Du'aa so that it lights up

their eyes. O Allah protect those of them who are away and

return them safely to their families, relieve their distressed

ones, cover the unclothed, fill their huger and their thirst,

fulfill the debt of the losers, facilitate the marriage the

unmarried ones, heal their patients, brighten up their

deceased, help the oppressed ones amongst the lovers of the

family of Muhammad (PBUH&HF) and put out the fire of the

enemies.

O Allah! Increase in multiple Your curse, torment, and

punishment on those two who were disgraceful to Your blessing,

weakened Your Apostle, accused Your Prophet and opposed him,

broke his covenant on his executor and claimed the position of

him, changed his commandments, transformed his Sunna,

overturned his religion, belittled the value of Your Proofs,

initiated the trend of oppressing them, were pioneers of

disloyalty and disobedience to them, paved the way for

slaying, revolting and waging war against them, prevented Your

Khalifa from filling the holes/cracks and from setting right

the crocked and from implementing the commandments and from

manifesting the truth of the religion of Islam and from

establishing the limits of Quran.

O Allah! Curse those two and their two daughters and all those

who inclined to what they inclined and those who follow their

footsteps and pursued their way and those who headed their

innovations --the curse that could never come to anyone's mind

and People of Fire seek refuge from it. O Allah curse anyone

who yields to their saying and follows their commands and

calls people to them, and those who doubt in their Kufr from

the first to the last generations."

- Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, v5, p60, Hadith #5366

- Muhaj al-Da'awat, Sayyid Ibn Tawus, p333

- Bihar al-Anwar, v83/86, p59, Hadith #67

Abi Salama al-Siraj and Husain Ibn Thuwair both narrated:

"After each Wajib prayers Imam al-Sadiq (as) used to curse

four men and four women: Fulan, Fulan, Fulan, and Mu'awiya,

and Fulana, Fulana, Hind, and Umm al-Hakam (the daughter of

Mu'awiya)."

- al-Kafi, v3, p342, Hadith #10

- Wasa'il al-Shia, v6, p462, Hadith #8449

- al-Tahdhib, v2, p321 (a very close narration in which instead of

"Fulan", the Imam (as) mentions their titles corresponding to

their tribes).

- Bihar al-Anwar, v22, p128, Hadith #170; v83/86, p58, Hadith #63

The following is a Mutawatir Hadith from different transmitters

narrated from Imam al-Sajjad (as), Imam al-Baqir (as), Imam al-

Sadiq (as), and Imam al-Ridha (as) who said:

"There are three (types of people about them Allah said in

Quran) that 'Allah will not talk to them and will not look

upon them (in mercy) in the Day of Judgment and will not

cleans them and for them is the painful punishment (3:77)': He

who claims to be Imam assigned by Allah while he is not; and

he who questions the Imamat of an Imam assigned by Allah; and

he who thinks that those two have benefited anything from

Islam."

- al-Kafi, v1, p373, Hadith #4; p374, Hadith #12

- Wasa'il al-Shia, v28, p341, Hadith #34911; p349, Hadiths #34936-7

- Kitab al-Ghaiba, al-Nu'mani, pp 111-112, Hadiths #2,3

- Ta'wil al-Ayat al-Dhahira, p120, commentary of the verse 3:77

- Thawab al-A'mal, p215 from Imam al-Ridha (as)

- al-Khisal, p106, Hadith #69

- Bihar al-Anwar, v30, p384; v27, p212, Hadith #114; v46, p102,

Hadith #92;

In another set of Mutawatir Hadiths similar to the above Hadith,

the last category is mentioned as:

"... and he who thinks Fulan and Fulan have benefited anything from Islam."

- Tafsir al-Ayyashi, v1, p178, Hadiths #64,65 under verse 3:77

- Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, v18, p175, Hadiths #22427-8

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p111, Hadith #4; and p112, Hadiths #10, #11

from various authorities

Imam al-Baqir (as) said: "Whoever claims our position, that is

Imamat, he is a disbeliever and a polytheist."

- Kitab al-Ghaiba, al-Nu'mani, p114, Hadith #10

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p114, Hadith #16

Hanan Ibn Sadir narrated:

I asked Imam al-Baqir (as) about those two. He (as) replied:

"O Aba al-Fadhl! Do not ask me about them for, by Allah, non

among us (Ahlul-Bayt) would die except that he is displeased

with those two. No day passes to us except that we are angry

with them. Indeed, they oppressed us and denied our rights and

they were the first and foremost people who imposed themselves

over us and opened the stream of injustice against us that

does not stop until our Qa'im rises... By Allah! No affliction

was set up against us and no trouble faced us Ahlul-Bayt

except that those two founded its root. Thus upon those two

'are the curse of Allah and the angels and people all

(2:161).'"

- al-Kafi, v8, p245, Hadith #340

- Bihar al-Anwar, v30, p269, Hadith #138

- Ta'wil al-Ayat al-Dhahira, p128, Hadith #4

Salman al-Farsi narrated:

I asked the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) about the verse 'On

that day no one shall be punished (like) his punishment

(89:25).' He (PBUH&HF) said: "He is Umar."

- Kitab Sulaim Ibn Qais al-Hilali, p593

- al-Ihtijaj, v1, p85

- Bihar al-Anwar, v28, p276

Ma'ruf Ibn Kharbuz narrated:

Abu Ja'far (as) said to me: "Do you know what is the

interpretation this verse: 'On that day no one shall be

punished (like) his punishment (89:25)'?" I said: "No." He

(as) said: "This is the second (i.e., Umar). Allah shall not

punish anyone on the Day of Judgment like his punishment."

- Ta'wil al-Ayat al-Dhahira, p768

- Bihar al-Anwar, v30, p331, Hadith #155

Abu Hamza al-Thumali (ra) narrated:

I asked Ali Ibn al-Husain (as) about Fulan and Fulan

He (as) said: "Unto them be the curse of

Allah, all His curse. By Allah, those two died disbelievers

and polytheists to Allah, the Great."

- Basa'ir al-Darajat, p269, Hadith #2

- Bihar al-Anwar, v27, p29, Hadith #1; v30, p145, Hadith #1

Imam al-Baqir (as) said: "Surely the two Shaikhs left this

world while they did not repent and were not mindful of what

they did to the Commander of Believers, peace be upon him,

thus for them 'are the curse of Allah and His angels and

people all (2:161).'"

- al-Kafi, v8, p246, Hadith #343

- Bihar al-Anwar, v30, p269, Hadith #137

Conclusively:

Imam al-Jawad (as) said: ... The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF)

said: "He who is reluctant to curse whomever Allah has cursed,

upon him is the curse of Allah."

- Rijal al-Kashshi, p528, Hadith #1012

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p318, Hadith #85

The biggest criminal in history was killed by Abu Lulu - for that reason alone he is worthy of praise.

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Your Hadiths have declared our Sahaaba and Religious Figures to be kafirs

and you are gonna complain if sunni call shia kafirs. imagine if sunnis had hadiths that says

ali and his family are all Unbelievers, Would you consider us muslims?

By the Way The Shia doctrine was not fully developed until the tenth century We do not believe shia hadiths that they originated from the Imams. the last Imam Hassan Al-Askari died 260 hijra

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Your Hadiths have declared our Sahaaba and Religious Figures to be kafirs

and you are gonna complain if sunni call shia kafirs. imagine if sunnis had hadiths that says

ali and his family are all Unbelievers, Would you consider us muslims?

By the Way The Shia doctrine was not fully developed until the tenth century We do not believe shia hadiths that they originated from the Imams. the last Imam Hassan Al-Askari died 260 hijra

This is the difference between Sunnis and Shias.

While Sunnis enjoy calling the followers of Ahlul Bayt as kafirs, the Shia never do. We only narrate the ahadith of Ahlul Bayt that have been recorded for their enemies, in other words, specific personalities who oppressed the rights of Ahlul Bayt.

As for your comment about Shia doctrine, I suggest you read through the history of Sunnism, since Bukhari was compiled in the fourth century hijrah.

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Do you even read before you speak the man the shrine is named after commited suicide after he atatck Umar . So question was how can a man who commits suicide obtain paradise. I am not into ur shia/sunni sect stuff if you can't answer questions please allow someone else too.

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Do you even read before you speak the man the shrine is named after commited suicide after he atatck Umar . So question was how can a man who commits suicide obtain paradise. I am not into ur shia/sunni sect stuff if you can't answer questions please allow someone else too.

Perhaps, you should consider your advice?

First, the brother who posted that he committed suicide did not give a reference and second, there's NO mention in this thread that Abu Lulu obtained Paradise. In fact, there's absolutely no mention of Paradise. Wonder where you getting your stuff from. Or are you used to hallucinating and talking gibberish when you're cornered?

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Usually a person given shrine is someone we believe to be of high standard atleat implying paradise , atleast this is case in islam. There is not mosque named after pharoah. So my point was how can a person who committed suicide be look a person of paradise or even have a shrine . Your point is to make this some sect thing which I have no interest in .

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First, the brother who posted that he committed suicide did not give a reference
It's common knowledge. If someone doesn't accept the fact that abu lu'lu'ah killed himself after Umar's guards captured him seconds after he killed Umar, how about they come with Shia references that he indeed didn't kill himself (or forever hold their peace :) )?

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Usually a person given shrine is someone we believe to be of high standard atleat implying paradise , atleast this is case in islam. There is not mosque named after pharoah. So my point was how can a person who committed suicide be look a person of paradise or even have a shrine . Your point is to make this some sect thing which I have no interest in .

A shrine is built to honour a man, not implying that he has gained Paradise. We 'honour' him because he killed the murderer of the daughter of the Prophet (S) and his grandson. That doesn't mean we are talking of him obtaining Paradise.

Please don't make your own theories.

It's common knowledge.

Well, I do not know about it due to my own ignorance. It's not that I'm not accepting it, I just want proof/reference because this is the first time I've heard that he committed suicide. A lot of things are common knowledge but they are not backed by references and sometimes are ultimately proved to be false.

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It's common knowledge. If someone doesn't accept the fact that abu lu'lu'ah killed himself after Umar's guards captured him seconds after he killed Umar, how about they come with Shia references that he indeed didn't kill himself (or forever hold their peace smile.gif )?

Umar didn't have guards according to Sunnism. He lived like Imam Ali (as) they claim, like a commoner (as opposed to Uthman). It was people that supposedly caught Abu Lulu.

According to many scholars, Abu Lulu - known as Baba Shuja al-Din - was among the greatest muslims and mujahids (those who strive in the path of God), in addition to being amongst the staunchest believers in Imam Ali (as). (Riyadh al-Ulama, v. 5, p. 507 Chapter of "lam" and Safinat al-Behar v. 7, p. 561 under topic "Lulu").

In Tariq al-Irshad (p. 456) it's written that Abu Lulu asked Umar about the punishment about the one who causes suffering for his mawla (master), usurpes the land of his master and abuses the wife of his master (Fatima). Umar replied that it's mandatory to slay such a person. Then Abu Lulu faced Umar, asked him why he had caused the immense suffering to Imam Ali (as) by killing his wife, the mother of the Imams (as), and usurping their land, and stabbed him.

Daylami writes in Irshad al-Quloob (v. 2, p. 285) that Imam Ali (as) told Umar, "Abu Lulu will put an end to you, as God has given him this tawfiq. By God, Abu Lulu will enter paradise against your will." Also repeated in Mashariq al-Anwar p. 79.

It's further famous among Shi'is that after Abu Lulu had slayed Umar, he narrated this to Imam Ali (as) upon which he was transferred miraculously to Kashan, where he married the daughter of the Chief Judge of Kashan, and he had pious children (Shakhe Tooba p. 107, by Mohaddes Noori, who also authored Mustadrak al-Wasael).

Also Sheikh Sepehr writes in Nasekh al-Tawarikh Tarikh al-Khulafa v. 3, p. 49 that When Abu Lulu killed Umar, he came to Kashan, and he was among the Shi'i until he died. The people of Kashan buried him at Fin.

Habib al-Siraj p. 489 also states that he was a muslim and died as one in Kashan.

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May Allah (swt) shower His blessings upon the great Momin and Mujahid fi Sabil illah Abu Lulua (ra).

He was truly a great Muslim who did one of the greatest services for Islam, humanity and women by this holy deed of his.

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A shrine is built to honour a man, not implying that he has gained Paradise. We 'honour' him because he killed the murderer of the daughter of the Prophet (S) and his grandson. That doesn't mean we are talking of him obtaining Paradise.

Please don't make your own theories.

You honor a person that is going to hell?

Isn't the ultimate goal to achieve paradise and be in good graces of Allah(Swt). If this man is in hell, doesn't that defeat the purpose of building a shrine? A Shrine is supposed to hold religious significance. Why honor an anarchist and a murderer?

Ali(as) tried his best to save Uthman, did he not? Would he approve of Abu lulu, or this shrine built in honor of him?

Me thinks not.

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