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A fellow user of this forum brought up something very interesting:

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Well i actually heard that the 69000 Adams before ours werent on earth. I heard there are actually 70000 planets in the universe out there with life on them, each who have had their own adam... just something i heard not sure if its coorect though :unsure:

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So what do you think? Is there any confirmation for the 69000 Adams before our own father Adam? Or life on other planets than Earth?

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The funny thing about this is that it reminds me of Albert Einsteins theory about the parallel universes. Well basically he is saying that, there are a copy of every one, so the Adams might be made out of that theory, or is it Einstein who has taken his theory out of the 69000 Adams story, Who knows??

p.s This is my first post ever in history, was not much of a computer guy or these kind of things, to join forums etc., but u all know what they say, its never to late to redeem ur self and to start doing halal stuff .d.s

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Welcome to shiachat my b/s ;) hope u have great times in here.. regard us ur family we r all the uprising generations of shias :huh: ^_^ :D

O ur post.. don think thas true as we don't have from our imams as aanything and nothin in the quran.

but i guess there are places jinn lives in. :shaytan:

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^People, will you please stop giving your opinion/judgments on what the Ahlul Bayt (A) have NOT said, especially if you do not have any proof to back it up.

As for the OP, I've already answered this question in General Discussions/Prophet and AhlulBayt Forum:

Sayyed Saeed Akhtar Rizvi says in his Your Questions Answered 3:

Q8: ANY OTHER ADAM?

Was there any other Adam or World before this world and Adam

A. According to the 'Ahadith' of Masumeen (a.s.), there have passed thousands of Adams before ours.

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In Al-Mizan, check out the tafsir of Surah Baqarah, verses 30-33. There is a tradition from Imam Sadeq [as]:

“The angels could not know what they said (Wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood), if they had not (earlier) seen someone who had made mischief in it and shed blood.” (At-Tafsir, al-‘Ayyàshi)

Check out this link too: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29482

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I heard Shaik Ahmad Al-Waaely(rahmatu Allah alyhu) talked about the wives of (Habeel and Kabeel) the sons of Adam , he said that there are other worlds beside ours and the wives of the 2 sons are from there(at the beginning of the world there are just Adam- Eve- Habeel- Kabeel

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So what do you think? Is there any confirmation for the 69000 Adams before our own father Adam? Or life on other planets than Earth?

[Quran 42:29] "And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and what He has spread forth in both of them of living beings; and when He pleases He is all-powerful to gather them together."

It’s said that the first human beings possessed a homocentric view in which their individual consciousness was the centre of the universe! As humans later progressed they adopted a geocentric universe in which the earth was the centre of all things. This was later replaced with a heliocentric model, in which the sun became the hub of the universe. Humans then discovered the solar system and soon realised to their astonishment that there are other stars in the universe, some much bigger than our own. As telescopes got bigger and better new stars were revealed in every direction of the sky and whole galaxies were discovered as a result. Today, scientists are speaking about multi-verses! The point of this being that man has always underestimated the universe and will probably continue to do so for a very, very long time to come. To believe that we are alone in this unimaginably vast universe, probably itself nothing but a speck among a myriad of other universes, is to me absurd judging by sheer probability. To believe that we are alone is to have little to no understanding of the sheer scale of the universe and our sheer insignificance within it. According to Imam Jaffar al- Sadiq [as]:

"Perhaps you think God has not created a humanity other than you. No! I swear to God that He has created thousands upon thousands of mankinds and you are the last among them."

"Like this world there are 70,000 other planets with each of their peoples believing they are alone in the universe."

"I cannot say that there are human beings in other worlds, but I can say that there are living beings, whom we cannot see because of the great distance between us."

-Bihar al Anwar, vol 14, p 79

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:lol:

The first part of this topic is so funny - everyone posts there opinnion as a fact, with no source, as if they are an amazing Islamic Scholar / Grand Ayatullah :P This action is probably the most thing I have hatred for on SC :mad: (and Real Life :) )

So clearly, by those who did go to the trouble of posting sources (MajiC & Spizo), it can be concluded that life besides us does exist then.. ? :)

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According to Imam Jaffar al- Sadiq [as]:

"Perhaps you think God has not created a humanity other than you. No! I swear to God that He has created thousands upon thousands of mankinds and you are the last among them."

"Like this world there are 70,000 other planets with each of their peoples believing they are alone in the universe."

"I cannot say that there are human beings in other worlds, but I can say that there are living beings, whom we cannot see because of the great distance between us."

-Bihar al Anwar, vol 14, p 79

Very astonishing :o But are there any known scholars who acknolowledge the authenticity of these hadith?

Wassalâm.

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I think it's possible there was many races created before mankind, but only sure the Jinn from fire are created and that is the only race I know that are being tried like us human, but who knows maybe many other type of jinns other then those right before us.

But Adam (as) is certainly unique and begining of God's proof, and was the center of universe as he holded the secret of the whole universe and was entrusted to teach it to the Angels (as), and was the marvel of God's creation,

O God,

as for Adam,

the marvel of Thy creation,

the first made of clay to confess Thy Lordship,

the beginning of Thy argument

against Thy servants and creatures, the guide to seeking sanctuary in Thy pardon

from Thy punishment,

the opener of the paths of repentance toward Thee,

the giver of the creatures access to knowledge of Thee,

2 the one concerning whom Thou hast conveyed Thy good pleasure

through Thy kindness and Thy mercy toward him,

3 the one who turned back and did not persist in disobeying Thee,

the forerunner

among the self-abasers,

who shaved his head in Thy sacred precinct,

and among the seekers of access to Thy pardon,

through obedience after disobedience,

and the father of the prophets,

who were made to suffer for Thy sake

and who strove more than all the earth's inhabitants

in obeying Thee -

4 bless him, Thou - O All-merciful -

Thy angels

and the inhabitants of Thy heavens

and Thy earth,

just as he magnified Thy inviolable commands

and guided us upon the path of Thy good pleasure,

O Most Merciful of the merciful!

from Saheefa Sajadiya

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Very astonishing But are there any known scholars who acknolowledge the authenticity of these hadith?

I don’t know. However, the first hadith has been cited by no less than Allamah Tabataba’i [qs] in his book ‘Shi’ah’. As for the others I don’t know. Having said that, you really don’t need a ‘alim nor a hadith to tell you something, which I believe, in the light of what I said before, is very likely to be true judging by the incomprehensible size of the universe(s) and therefore probability. Look up the Drake equation; it’s not decisive but roughly estimates 10,000 intelligent civilisations in our galaxy alone.

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But Adam (as) is certainly unique and begining of God's proof, and was the center of universe as he holded the secret of the whole universe and was entrusted to teach it to the Angels , and was the marvel of God's creation,

Supposing, for arguments sake and in accordance with what the Qur’an and Imam al-Sadiq [as] seemingly purport, that Allah [swt] has created and scattered living beings across the universe, why must the earthly Adam [as] or even the earthly Messengers [pbut] or Ahlul Bayt [as] be superior to those of other worlds? Considering the absolute nature of the Islamic Aqeeda (doctrine) it would apply consistently throughout the universe and to all celestial civilisations. Prophets and Imams would thus be raised from among themselves in the same way that our Messengers [pbut] (and Imam's) arose from among humanity:

[23:32]And We sent to them a messenger from among themselves…

Certain hadiths which praise the Messenger [pbuh] and the Ahlul Bayt [as] as being the best of creation might not imply this praise in a specific but rather a general sense referring to their elevated stations. This entails that all the Imam’s and Messengers of the universe are regarded equally by Allah [swt] as the 'best of creation' by virtue of their ranks and stations. To me this explanation is more reasonable as it reconciles the view which regards Ahlul Bayt [as] as being the best of creation with the idea, apparently supported in the Qu’ran and other literature, that mankind is not the only civilisation in the universe.

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Very astonishing :o But are there any known scholars who acknolowledge the authenticity of these hadith?

A QnA by Ayatullah Nasir Makarim Shirazi and Ayatullah Ja'afar Subhani:

How did the marriages between the children of Adam take place?

Question: How did the marriages between the children of Adam and Hawaa take place - did brother and sister marry each other or did ther marriages take a different form?

Answer: In relation to this issue, the Scholars of Islam have two different view points, and each of them have brought their own proofs from the Qur'an and ahaadith. Here, we present these two views, albeit in brief:

1. During that time period, the law from Allah (SWT) prohibiting the marriage between a brother and a sister was not present and since there was no other way to continue the human race except for this (marriage between brother and sister), thus, they married with one another. It goes without saying that the system of laws and regulations is only from Allah, (( ...The command (Hukm) is for none but Allah... )) [surah Yusuf, Verse 40 ]. Thus, what is the problem if we say that for a limited period of time and for a specific group of people, since it was a necessity at that particular time period, this marriage was made permissible, however for all other people it was made forbidden forever??

Those who share this belief, bring the following verse of the Qur'an as their proof based on the apparent meaning of its contents, (( ...who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women... )) [ Surah an-Nisa, Verse 1 ]. The apparent reading of this verse tells us that the chain of humanity was started by only these two people (Adam and Hawaa) and if other than these two had any part to play in the continuation of humanity, then it would have been said, (( ...who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from other than these two... )) meaning that by way of these two (Adam and Hawaa) and other than these two the creation took form.

In addition to this, there are also narrations, as related by the Late Tabrisi in his book al-Ihtijaaj from Imam 'Ali ibn al-Husain as-Sajjad (peace be upon him) that confirm this theory.

2. The other opinion is this: Since the marriage between the children of Adam was not possible - since the marriage between people who are Mahram to each other is a loathsome and disgusting act - thus, the sons of Adam married the daughters of another race of humans who were living on the earth at that time. After some time when they had children and became cousins of one another, then marriages took place between them - which is acceptable. This opinion is also expressed in many ahaadith since Adam and the offspring of Adam were not the first human beings on this earth, rather, before them there were human beings living on the earth! Thus, the results of this are: It is possible to say that the sons of Adam married those girls that remained on the earth from the previous human beings that were created before Adam and Hawaa. From the dialogue that took place between Allah and the Angels in regards to the creation of Adam and placing him on the earth (as seen in Surah al-Baqarah), it is clear that even before Adam and Hawaa, there were human beings living on the face of this earth and this reality can also be proven from the ahaadith.

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It's the first time I've read that the children of Adam married the children of prevalent human beings on earth.

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I don’t know. However, the first hadith has been cited by no less than Allamah Tabataba’i [qs] in his book ‘Shi’ah’. As for the others I don’t know. Having said that, you really don’t need a ‘alim nor a hadith to tell you something, which I believe, in the light of what I said before, is very likely to be true judging by the incomprehensible size of the universe(s) and therefore probability. Look up the Drake equation; it’s not decisive but roughly estimates 10,000 intelligent civilisations in our galaxy alone.

Gangster

Supposing, for arguments sake and in accordance with what the Qur’an and Imam al-Sadiq [as] seemingly purport, that Allah [swt] has created and scattered living beings across the universe, why must the earthly Adam [as] or even the earthly Messengers [pbut] or Ahlul Bayt [as] be superior to those of other worlds? Considering the absolute nature of the Islamic Aqeeda (doctrine) it would apply consistently throughout the universe and to all celestial civilisations. Prophets and Imams would thus be raised from among themselves in the same way that our Messengers [pbut] (and Imam's) arose from among humanity:

[23:32]And We sent to them a messenger from among themselves…

Certain hadiths which praise the Messenger [pbuh] and the Ahlul Bayt [as] as being the best of creation might not imply this praise in a specific but rather a general sense referring to their elevated stations. This entails that all the Imam’s and Messengers of the universe are regarded equally by Allah [swt] as the 'best of creation' by virtue of their ranks and stations. To me this explanation is more reasonable as it reconciles the view which regards Ahlul Bayt [as] as being the best of creation with the idea, apparently supported in the Qu’ran and other literature, that mankind is not the only civilisation in the universe.

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Adam (as) was unique, it's obvious by the Quran itself he didn't exist. I am not saying after that, there were not chosen people from all races, but Adam (as) was unique. According to this du'a (and I trust Saheefa Sajadiya over anything in behar al-anwar), he was the first of clay to confess to Allah's (swt) lordship and he was the begining of God's proof and as the du'a said was "the giver of the creatures access to knowledge of Thee, "

Adam (as) was chosen above the rest of creatures when he was created, and as the du'a showed, was the means to knowing God. So in a way, if we assume all these races existed before, then they were lower then Adam (as) and Adam (as) was the one who brought them to knowing God and was the begining of God's proof on his creation (and there was no sons of Adam (as) at that time). We can say Adam (as) was a favor to all the races in the universe.

I don't have a problem with there being other races, but I believe Adam (as) when created was the first "Hujja", as the du'as shows. And there were creation before, but everyone including angels only worshipped Allah (swt) only through a tajali within them before Adam (as). In Adam (as) all the tajalis in the universe combined in him and he was the all-inclusive image of the glory in the universe and chosen with God's breath and created in his image (surah) (glory unites in Adam (as)).

At any rate, Mohammad (pbuh) was raised for all creation, and messenger to all creation, I don't know much about the races and universe, but I know when Adam (as) was created, he was unique and was the begining of the real trial of worship as he was the begining of God's proof and holded the secret of the universe and was the means for creation to know God.

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According to this Book on Imam Jafar E Saddiq, there are other beings in this universe and Imam Jafar E Saddiq(as) also prophecies that they will one day make contact with human beings.

Is that contact before or after the Day of Judgement?

And could you please provide us with an excerpt of this book which deals with human beings in this universe?

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So what do you think? Is there any confirmation for the 69000 Adams before our own father Adam? Or life on other planets than Earth?

Wassalam.

Well, Allah (SWT) is referred to in the Holy Quran as "Rabbil Alameen", meaning "Lord of the WORLDS". I don't know if this proves anything or not, but it is something to ponder about.

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That’s amazing ahadith from imam Jaffer Sadiq (a.s) it’s so astonishing. But that basically means... that we know for one that there are 7 heavens and 7 worlds. So basically our planet earth... despite the magnanimity in our eyes for it and despite all that it contains..! Cannot suffice to be called a world! Because according to the hadith, our 6th Imam says that they are 70000 planets! So how much ever we take this planet as our world... and how much we give to this world! We are never going to get anything out of it! Nor are we getting any happiness or any satisfaction! Subhanallah...

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Yes, it is a possibility because in Suratul Fatiha (first chapter in the Holy Qur'an) i quote:

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All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the WorldS.

I once had an argument with a friend about this, and we decided to ask a sheikh. HE quoted the ayah above and said Allah said Lord of the worldS. Which means that it is possible. Then I asked another Sheikh, and he said no it isn't likely because there is no mention of it in ahadeeth. Furthermore, when i looked into the Tafaseer of Aqa Mahdi Pooya and S.V. Mir Ahmedali, there was no mention of it. Also something that made me personally wonder si, that all the ma'soomeen etc were all in this world of ours, the Qur'an was revealed here, EARTH. Why would Allah (swt) create living creatures in another land?

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I once had an argument with a friend about this, and we decided to ask a sheikh. HE quoted the ayah above and said Allah said Lord of the worldS. Which means that it is possible. Then I asked another Sheikh, and he said no it isn't likely because there is no mention of it in ahadeeth.

Indeed, I have heard this argument too - but it is not sufficient enough evidence to support this theory. It could just mean worlds, as in, earh, heaven and hell etc..

Furthermore, when i looked into the Tafaseer of Aqa Mahdi Pooya and S.V. Mir Ahmedali, there was no mention of it. Also something that made me personally wonder si, that all the ma'soomeen etc were all in this world of ours, the Qur'an was revealed here, EARTH. Why would Allah (swt) create living creatures in another land?

I think the moral of the story is, "What difference does it make to you ?". Let's say there are a billion different other creatures than us. Since it has already been said that we will never meet, what difference does it make to you, in your every day life, in your faith, whether a creature exists on the other side of the universe, that you will never encounter. Just focus on your life - and all praises are due to Allah [sWT].

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We read in Quran:

"Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them : and He has power to gather them together when He wills." (42.29)

The word used for living creatures in arabic is "dabata", which is used for four legged animals and humans, which suggest presence of intelligent beings, though they may not be as intelligent as us.

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I have never heard of this '69000 Adams' or '70000 planets' it would be interesting if you had the proof...

Noble Qur'an - 31:10
He hath created the heavens without supports that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed therein all kinds of beasts. And We send down water from the sky and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein.

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When asked if there were other life forms on other planet, Imam Jafar as-Sadeq replied "Like this world there are 70,000 other planets with each of their peoples believing they are alone in the universe."

The sixth Holy Imam, Imam Jafar as-Sadeq (as) has said: Perhaps you think God has not created a humanity other than you. No! I swear to God that He has created thousands upon thousands of mankinds and you are the last among them."

-Behar al-Anwar, volume 14, page 79

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i have always been of the opinion that there probably is some interesting life somewhere out there in the gigantic universe, but unless it is possible to circumvent the limitation of the speed of light in information transfer, we'll never know about them because it will take something like 6 million years for news about them to reach our planet, or vice versa

has anyone ever read the 2001/2010/etc series by arthur c clarke? what is interesting about that series is that much of the fictional stuff he wrote was based on solid science and was later discovered to be true. one thing he discussed was life on europa and now this idea is being examined seriously (i would guess it would be more on the order of microorganisms than anything else). also initial explorations of mars have not ruled out the possibility of microscopic life there.

here is an interesting article from a reliable source: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/display.cfm?ST_ID=1789

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Reading that for the first time dude (or dudette). Cannot write anything, unless I have research that quote throughly.

I never hear it either. But when I read the Ayas the conclusion came to me clearly. Angels have no knowledge of future or sceinctific knowledge then why did they say to god, humans would shed blood. How did they know our nature. There is only one explanation and that is there were other humans who leaved on earth and they shed blood. This is the only explanation for this mistery. It is what independent reasoning says about Quran.

U people tend to read narations and think of them as true. I simply do not trust narations when it comes to such cased. They tend to contradict themselves. But what I see in these naration is the basic idea they are trying to pass on and this basic idea does not get corrupted so easily but details about this idea are easily corruptable even when coruption is not intended.

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