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Imams (a) Named Their Daughters 'aisha' ?

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(salam)

The reply to the following question was kindly provided by Dr Liyakatali

Takim.

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Abbas Jaffer

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QUESTION:

as salaam alaikum -

I have a brief question for you concerning the name A'isha. I am fairly new

to Islam and me and my wife are expecting our first child. At any rate, I

was wondering if such a name would be discouraged within the Shi'a

Islamic community due to the association she had with rebelling against

'Ali etc. or if it is a common enough name so as to not have relevence in

such matters.

Your advice will be much appreciated.

ANSWER:

Salaamun 'alaykum,

Due to her actions against Imam Ali during the times of the Prophet and

after his death (including the famous battle of the Camel), the followers

of the ahl al-bayt are not encouraged to keep her name for their children.

Wasallamu 'alaykum

http://al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00711.html

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Someone posted this in a forum : When Imams(a) named their daughter 'Aisha' then Why Shias are discouraged to do so ?

1. Aisha bint Musa al-Kadhim: This was the daughter of the seventh Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Musa al-Kadhim. The esteemed Shia scholar, Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari, states in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p. 125-126] that Imam Musa al-Kadhim had seventeen daughters and they were named Fatima al-Kubra, Fatima al-Sughra, Ruqayyah, Ruqayyah al-Sughra, Hakima, Aisha, Zaynad and Khadijah Shaikh Mufid also mentions her in al-Irshad [p.303]. Two other strong Shia references are Umdat al-Talib of Ibn Anba [p. 266 {footnote}] and al-Anwar al-Nu`maniyya of Ni`mat Allah al-Jazaïri [v.1, p.380]. The name of this daughter is also mentioned in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v.2, p.90 and 217].

2. Aisha bint Ali al-Rida: This was the daughter of the eight Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Rida. The famous Shia Qadi, Ibn al-Khashab, said in Mawalid Ahl al-Bayt: �(Imam) Al-Rida had five sons and one daughter. They were Muhammad al-Qani, al-Hasan, Jafar, Ibrahim, al-Hussain and the daughter whose name was Aisha.� This is quoted by Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p.128].

3. Aisha bint Ali Zayn al-Abidin: This was the daughter of the fourth Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam al-Abidin. This fact is referenced in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v. 2, p. 334].

4. Aisha bint Jafar as-Sadiq: This was the daughter of Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, the sixth of the Infallible Imams of the Shia. This is also recorded in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v. 2, p. 373]).

5. Aisha bint Ali al-Hadi: This was the daughter of the tenth Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Hadi. This is mentioned by Shaikh al-Mufid in al-Irshad [p.334] and also in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Iribli [v.2, p.334]

6. Aisha bint Jafar ibn Musa al-Kadhim: This was the grand-daughter of the Infallible Imam of the Shia (i.e. the daughter of the Imam�s son, Jafar ibn Musa). This is stated by Abu al-Hasan al-Umari in al-Mujdi [p.109].

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(salam)

Someone posted this in a forum : When Imams(a) named their daughter 'Aisha' then Why Shias are discouraged to do so ?

1. Aisha bint Musa al-Kadhim: This was the daughter of the seventh Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Musa al-Kadhim. The esteemed Shia scholar, Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari, states in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p. 125-126] that Imam Musa al-Kadhim had seventeen daughters and they were named Fatima al-Kubra, Fatima al-Sughra, Ruqayyah, Ruqayyah al-Sughra, Hakima, Aisha, Zaynad and Khadijah Shaikh Mufid also mentions her in al-Irshad [p.303]. Two other strong Shia references are Umdat al-Talib of Ibn Anba [p. 266 {footnote}] and al-Anwar al-Nu`maniyya of Ni`mat Allah al-Jazaïri [v.1, p.380]. The name of this daughter is also mentioned in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v.2, p.90 and 217].

2. Aisha bint Ali al-Rida: This was the daughter of the eight Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Rida. The famous Shia Qadi, Ibn al-Khashab, said in Mawalid Ahl al-Bayt: �(Imam) Al-Rida had five sons and one daughter. They were Muhammad al-Qani, al-Hasan, Jafar, Ibrahim, al-Hussain and the daughter whose name was Aisha.� This is quoted by Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari in Tawarikh al-Nabi wa al-Aal [p.128].

3. Aisha bint Ali Zayn al-Abidin: This was the daughter of the fourth Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam al-Abidin. This fact is referenced in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v. 2, p. 334].

4. Aisha bint Jafar as-Sadiq: This was the daughter of Imam Jafar as-Sadiq, the sixth of the Infallible Imams of the Shia. This is also recorded in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Irbili [v. 2, p. 373]).

5. Aisha bint Ali al-Hadi: This was the daughter of the tenth Infallible Imam of the Shia, namely Imam Ali al-Hadi. This is mentioned by Shaikh al-Mufid in al-Irshad [p.334] and also in Kashf al-Ghumma of Abu al-Hasan al-Iribli [v.2, p.334]

6. Aisha bint Jafar ibn Musa al-Kadhim: This was the grand-daughter of the Infallible Imam of the Shia (i.e. the daughter of the Imam�s son, Jafar ibn Musa). This is stated by Abu al-Hasan al-Umari in al-Mujdi [p.109].

ws.

(salam)

In general, there is nothing wrong with the name Ayesha. So many sisters in Islam around the globe are named Ayesha and just because they are named Ayesha, it doesn't mean that they are cursed, sinners and the enemy of Ehl-ul-Bait. Laahola walla.....!!

However, according to shia school of thought, the wife of the Prophet Muhammad P.b.u.H, Ayesha, went astray and her actions depicted her hatred for Ehl-ul-Bait. This is why shias are not reccomended to name their children Ayesha, in reference to the wife of the Prophet. Because naming our children Ayesha, in reference to or in love of the Prophet's wife, is equivalent to associating with opponents of Ehl-ul-Bait.

Furthermore, the references quoted above are not based on sound legitimacy. Their validity is under question since there are so many other historical references which contradict what has been quoted above. There is extreme ikhtilaf in regards to other children of our Imams. The disagreement is not surprising if one looks at the specific timeframe of Islamic history where the opressers were the Islamic rulers and used all means to degrade the status of Aal e Muhammad. One of their tactics was to corrupt history itself.

I would like to present some examples; none of them state that any of the Imams had daughters named Ayesha.

Example 1: Daughters of Imam Zain Al Abideen

The well known daughters of Imam Zain Al Abideen are Khadija, Fatima, Alehe and Umme Kulsum.

....None named Ayesha.

Source:

- Sawaeq e Muharaqa P:120

- Arj ul Matalib P:444

- (I)Arshad P: 401

Example 2: Daughters of Imam Musa Kazim

Historians state that Imam Musa Kazim had 19 sons and 18 daughters from various wives. None of the daughter's are named Ayesha. Their names are as follows:

- Fatima

- Kubra

- Fatima Sughra

- Aliima

- Ruqayyah Sughra

- Kulsum

- Umm e Jafar

- Labaaba

- Zainab

- Khadija

- Aliya

- Amina

- Hasnaa

- Bareeha

- Umm e Salma

- Memuna

- Umm e Kulsum

- Umme Abiiha ( according to some it was Umm e Abdallah )

....none named Ayesha

Sources:

- (I)Arshad P: 330

- Kashf ul Ghamma P: 109

- A'lam Alwary P: 181

Example 3: Daughters of Imam Jafar Sadiq

The three daughters were:

- Umm e Farwa

- Asma'

- Fatima

......none named Ayesha

Sources:

- Nur al Absaar P:133

Fi-Amanillah

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(salam)

Today when someone names their daughter Aisha, people automatically think its after the Prophets sawa wife, in the same way that people think 2nd caliph when you say Umar. These names have become very strongly associated with these people, eventhough theyre not exlusive to them, and many people held the same names during these personalities times. So, there is nothing wrong with the name itself, but its the association it has with certain personlities that makes it undesirable. Perhaps this association wasnt as strong during the Imams times..? Or maybe they were named so for other reasons. I know in the case of Imam Ali naming one of this sons Uthman, there is a hadith where the Imam [as] says that hes naming his son after one of relatives who was really pious (and therefore not after the 3rd caliph). Or as the above post suggests, they actually never named any of their daugthers Aisha.

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Example 2: Daughters of Imam Musa Kazim

Historians state that Imam Musa Kazim had 19 sons and 18 daughters from various wives. None of the daughter's are named Ayesha. Their names are as follows:

- Fatima

- Kubra

- Fatima Sughra

- Aliima

- Ruqayyah Sughra

- Kulsum

- Umm e Jafar

- Labaaba

- Zainab

- Khadija

- Aliya

- Amina

- Hasnaa

- Bareeha

- Umm e Salma

- Memuna

- Umm e Kulsum

- Umme Abiiha ( according to some it was Umm e Abdallah )

....none named Ayesha

Sources:

- (I)Arshad P: 330

- Kashf ul Ghamma P: 109

- A'lam Alwary P: 181

'Fatima Kubra' is one name. So it makes 17 not 18.

Have you checked the above reference ?

Because in Kashf al Ghumma in the section of Imam al-Kadhim(a) it does mention 'Aisha' :

æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáßÈÑì æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ÑÞíÉ æ ÍßíãÉ æ Ãã ÃÈíåÇ æ ÑÞíÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ßáËæã æ Ãã ÌÚÝÑ æ áÈÇÈÉ æ ÒíäÈ æ ÎÏíÌÉ æ ÚáíÉ æ ÂãäÉ æ ÍÓäÉ æ ÈÑíåÉ æ ÚÇÆÔÉ æ Ãã ÓáãÉ æ ãíãæäÉ æ Ãã ßáËæã.

wa salam.

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The name Aisha itself as a name is not evil, its the association with an enemy of the Ahle Bait that causes people nowadays not to use it. The same applies to the name Yazid. The name itself means nothing but its connection to an enemy of the Ahle Bait is so strong that no Shia would even care to think about naming their sons that name.

Now, I recognize your point about Imams (as) naming their children their names. Well, that is true. We should all follow the examples of the Imams (as) in all aspects of life. But the choice of naming a child a name that is associated with an enemy of the Ahle Bait is something no parent nowadays would choose to do.

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'Fatima Kubra' is one name. So it makes 17 not 18.

Have you checked the above reference ?

Because in Kashf al Ghumma in the section of Imam al-Kadhim(a) it does mention 'Aisha' :

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wa salam.

Salam,

There was not a single one of the 12 Shia Imams who kept their daughters' names 'Aisha'...

All those sources you present are all fabricated 'Abbasid' records. Here are some exemplar excerpts from my earlier posts in response to these ridiculous

Sunnite(Orthodox Muslim) assertions and documentations--

[Example]

The "history" via hadith(narratives) provided by Sahih Muslim on the Coptic or Monophysite Ethiopian Negus has Armah II's name as 'Ashama ibn al-Abjar'...An Arabic name for the Ge'ez-speaking Ethiopians of that era. Ge'ez[Classical Ethiopic] was the ancient-to-medieval national language of the Imperial Kingdom of Axum, Ethiopia. How the Sahih Muslim hadith attribute a pure Arab name to Emperor Armah II, son of Coptic Archbishop Ela Ameda is inexplicable. Nowhere in the annals of Ethiopian history has the name of 'Ashama ibn al-Abjar' been kept by any Coptic Negus or Imperial Monophysite ruler. Even though there distinctly are TWO lists of emperors of the Ethiopian dynasties from Menelik I, none of them have the name 'Ashama ibn al-Abjar' for a ruler period. However, the name of the earlier Negus' viceroy, the general Abrahah Ashram is an Ethiopian and not an Arabian name. This is proof that some of the history provided by the 'Abbasid'(i.e. Zuhrid) Caliphate is suspect. As for the Umayyad Caliphate in Damascus, Syria, there are no known chroniclers or historians whose works have survived intact in their authentic form or are even known in conventional Islamic education. All the ahadith(narratives) followed by mainly orthodox Muslims for centuries are the works published during the misnamed 'Abbasid' Caliphate. No authentic works survived intact from the Umayyad times. This gives a gap of at least 125 years since Rasulallah's passing before any of the famous hadith-theologians presented any kind of authoritative works on Islamic history or theology. The Shi'ite theologians were brutally crushed and surpressed by the Umayyads. Only some of the works of the Shia Imams survived by mainly oral traditions during the Umayyad period and were documented during the early 'Abbasid' Caliphate.

Also, no Aal-e-Muhammad Aimma would name their beloved daughters after someone whom Allah(SWT), has for all practical purposes, condemned in the Holy Qur'an...Check out Surah Tahrim--

Surah At-Tahrim("The Prohibition")-Surah 66 Verses 3-5

3--"And when the Prophet[Muhammad] secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives-but when she[Aisha] informed others of it, and Allah made him[Rasulallah] to know it, he[Rasulallah] made known part of it and avoided part; so when he[Rasulallah] informed her[Aisha] of it, she[Aisha] said: Who informed you of this? He[Rasulallah] said: The Knowing, the one Aware, informed me.

4--If you both[Aisha/Hafsa] turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined to this; and if you back up each other against him[Rasulallah] , then surely Allah it is Who is his[Rasulallah] Guardian, and Jibreel and the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.

5--Maybe, his[Rasulallah] Lord, if he[Rasulallah] divorce you, will give him[Rasulallah] in your place wives better than you[Aisha/Hafsa], submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows, and virgins.

--Both Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Marmaduke Pickthall [two of the most widely-known and read translators and commentators of The Holy Qur'an] have also identified both Aisha and Hafsa as the subjects of this Holy Surah...

In the same Surah Tahrim [surah 66 Verse 10], Allah(SWT) presents the examples of the wives of the Nabihs Nuh (A.S.) and Lut (A.S.)...How these spouses acted "treacherously towards them so they availed them naught against Allah, and it was said: Enter both the fire with those who enter..."

Immediately following the condemnation of Aisha and Hafsa, Allah(SWT) offers this further example of disobedient and treacherous wives of the earlier Nabihs Nuh (pbuh) and Lut (pbuh)...! What more PROOF do you misinformed Sunni/Wahhabi/Salafi Muslim brothers and sisters need? Isn't the Holy Qur'an enough to clear the facts from some of the LIES and FABRICATIONS of all those 'Abbasid' theologians recorded 125-200 years AFTER the passing of Rasulallah(SAW)...?

Also, at the end of Surah Tahrim [surah 66 Verses 11-12], Allah(SWT) presents in contrast, the believing Nisa of Hazrat Bibi Asiya and Hazrat Bibi Maryam as-Siddiqa(the real SIDDIQA, not the recipient of this STOLEN epithet that was Aisha b. Abu Bakr)...This is to clearly show the differences between the unbelieving spouses of the Nabihullahs Nuh, Lut and Muhammad (PBUT) and the believing Nisa of Bibi Asiya and Bibi Maryam.

P.S.--'Aisha' in Arabic is derived from 'Ayyash'("Self-Indulgent";"Hedonistic";"Pleasure-Seeker") from the root word 'Aish'("Hedonism";"Self-Indulgence";"Pleasure-Seeking")...It is not of such a great meaning, either.

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^ Your post has nothing to do with the topic. We arent discussing Ummul Mumineen Ayesha®.

Also, the sources/references given are not the hadith books. Kashaf al-Ghumma is the book of 'Sirah' of Imams of ahl al-bayt(a) by al-Irbili.

P.S.--'Aisha' in Arabic is derived from 'Ayyash'("Self-Indulgent";"Hedonistic";"Pleasure-Seeker") from the root word 'Aish'("Hedonism";"Self-Indulgence";"Pleasure-Seeking")...It is not of such a great meaning, either.

'Ayesha' itself means 'Beautiful'.

It also means Life, Alive.

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'Fatima Kubra' is one name. So it makes 17 not 18.

Indeed Fatima Kubra is one name. I copied incorrectly. The name of the 18th daughter was supposed to be Umme Asma'. There are, however, other names found as well. ( just to make life easier ! ). For example, Allayhe, Ammeneh, Hasaneh Barbarieh & Abbaseh e.t.c

Have you checked the above reference ?

Because in Kashf al Ghumma in the section of Imam al-Kadhim(a) it does mention 'Aisha' :

æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáßÈÑì æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ÑÞíÉ æ ÍßíãÉ æ Ãã ÃÈíåÇ æ ÑÞíÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ßáËæã æ Ãã ÌÚÝÑ æ áÈÇÈÉ æ ÒíäÈ æ ÎÏíÌÉ æ ÚáíÉ æ ÂãäÉ æ ÍÓäÉ æ ÈÑíåÉ æ ÚÇÆÔÉ æ Ãã ÓáãÉ æ ãíãæäÉ æ Ãã ßáËæã.

wa salam.

To my knowledge, there is no mention of a daughter named Ayesha in Kashf al Ghumma.

Children of Imam Musa Kazim in Kashf ul Ghumma:

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Children of Imam Jafar Sadiq in Kashf ul Ghumma:

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Children of Imam Zain Al Abediin in Kashf ul Ghumma

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The mention of the name Ayesha, however, exists in Sheikh Mufid's book and other books mentioning "Ayesha" simply quote the Sheikh's text. But as previously stated, there is extreme ikhtilaf and uncertainty and contradictory references available as well. Allama Farogh Kazmi who is not just a scholar but also a historian (and has done extensive research), does not rely completely on the Sheikh's list, although He uses Sheikh's list as one of the references to research. The list he presents also does not include a name "ayesha" as one of Imam Musa Kadhim's daughter.

Fi-Amanillah

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To my knowledge, there is no mention of a daughter named Ayesha in Kashf al Ghumma.

Its on page 236-237. See : http://www.al-shia.com/html/ara/books/new/...lqomeh3/001.htm

æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáßÈÑì æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ÑÞíÉ æ ÍßíãÉ æ Ãã ÃÈíåÇ æ ÑÞíÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ßáËæã æ Ãã ÌÚÝÑ æ áÈÇÈÉ æ ÒíäÈ æ ÎÏíÌÉ æ ÚáíÉ æ ÂãäÉ æ ÍÓäÉ æ ÈÑíåÉ æ ÚÇÆÔÉ æ Ãã ÓáãÉ æ ãíãæäÉ æ Ãã ßáËæã.

(salam)

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^ Your post has nothing to do with the topic. We arent discussing Ummul Mumineen Ayesha®.

Also, the sources/references given are not the hadith books. Kashaf al-Ghumma is the book of 'Sirah' of Imams of ahl al-bayt(a) by al-Irbili.

'Ayesha' itself means 'Beautiful'.

It also means Life, Alive.

Salam,

You need to revisit AUTHENTIC Arabic etymological references...'Aisha' does not mean "Beautiful"...Those are the names 'Hasna', 'Haseena', 'Husna', 'Jamila', etc..

There are other feminine names in Arabic that are listed as meaning "beautiful" such as Ghadah, Sabihah, Zahwah, Zayna, etc...Not all of which literally mean "beautiful"...

For example:

'Hamzah'("Strong";"Steadfast") has often been defined as meaning "lion". However, it is one of those laqabs(epithets) that are often defined as meaning "lion" such as Haidar("Braveheart"), Abbas("Frowning"), Zaigham, Layth, Usamah, etc...When these names/epithets are in fact culturally popular characteristics or descriptions of the lion. In proper Arabic, the literal word for "lion" is 'Asad' with 'Usayd'("Young Lion") its dimunitive. Also in proper Arabic, 'Nemr' is "Tiger"; 'Numayr'("Young Tiger"); 'Fahd'("Leopard"); 'Hafs'("Lynx"); 'Hafsa'("Female Lynx").

And the proper Arabic name for "Life" is "Hayat" which is feminine... As for "Alive" it is in the Masculine gender as one of the Asma-ul-Husn "al-Hayy"...

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imam musa kazim,s daughters name don,t include aisha i agree with brother inshallah

1-fatima kubra

2-fatima sughra

3-ruqaya

4-alima

5-kulsoom

6-ruqaya sughra

7-um-e-jaffer

8-lababa

9-zainab

10-khadija

11-aliya

12-amina

13-hasna

14-bareeha

15-um-e-salma

16-memoona

17-um-e-kalsoom

18-um-e abdullah (um-e-abeeha

as naming ur kid i don,t see any ahlulbayt lover (sunni or shia)name his son yazid as there were 2 sahaba named yazid had shahadat in karbala simply becoz saying name yazid reminds u of only one yazid (lanat Allah

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imam musa kazim,s daughters name don,t include aisha i agree with brother inshallah

1-fatima kubra

2-fatima sughra

3-ruqaya

4-alima

5-kulsoom

6-ruqaya sughra

7-um-e-jaffer

8-lababa

9-zainab

10-khadija

11-aliya

12-amina

13-hasna

14-bareeha

15-um-e-salma

16-memoona

17-um-e-kalsoom

18-um-e abdullah (um-e-abeeha

as naming ur kid i don,t see any ahlulbayt lover (sunni or shia)name his son yazid as there were 2 sahaba named yazid had shahadat in karbala simply becoz saying name yazid reminds u of only one yazid (lanat Allah

Please see post # 9.

Salam,

You need to revisit AUTHENTIC Arabic etymological references...'Aisha' does not mean "Beautiful"...Those are the names 'Hasna', 'Haseena', 'Husna', 'Jamila', etc..

There are other feminine names in Arabic that are listed as meaning "beautiful" such as Ghadah, Sabihah, Zahwah, Zayna, etc...Not all of which literally mean "beautiful"...

For example:

'Hamzah'("Strong";"Steadfast") has often been defined as meaning "lion". However, it is one of those laqabs(epithets) that are often defined as meaning "lion" such as Haidar("Braveheart"), Abbas("Frowning"), Zaigham, Layth, Usamah, etc...When these names/epithets are in fact culturally popular characteristics or descriptions of the lion. In proper Arabic, the literal word for "lion" is 'Asad' with 'Usayd'("Young Lion") its dimunitive. Also in proper Arabic, 'Nemr' is "Tiger"; 'Numayr'("Young Tiger"); 'Fahd'("Leopard"); 'Hafs'("Lynx"); 'Hafsa'("Female Lynx").

And the proper Arabic name for "Life" is "Hayat" which is feminine... As for "Alive" it is in the Masculine gender as one of the Asma-ul-Husn "al-Hayy"...

http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=02aisha

http://www.20000-names.com/female_arabian_names.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayesha_(name)

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Aisha

http://www.answers.com/topic/aisha-1

(salam)

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Salam...I said AUTHENTIC etymological Arabic references not the NONSENSE you posted from "thinkbabynames.com"; "answers.com"; etc....

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Salam...I said AUTHENTIC etymological Arabic references not the NONSENSE you posted from "thinkbabynames.com"; "answers.com"; etc....

So all these hundreds of websites which states 'Aisha' means alive,well, beautiful are also the fabrication of 'Abbasid !?!. :!!!: :huh:

BTW, you didnt provide even a single reference.

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So all these hundreds of websites which states 'Aisha' means alive,well, beautiful are also the fabrication of 'Abbasid !?!. :!!!: :huh:

BTW, you didnt provide even a single reference.

Salam...What HUNDREDS of Websites? Maybe a dozen or so...And they contradict themselves. Which is it exactly? "Alive"("Hayy") or "Living"("Haya") or "Well"("Khayr") or "Beautiful"("Husna";"Hasna";"Haseena";"Jameela";"Zayna";"Ghadah";"Sabihah", etc...)???

Even the Farsi and Urdu adaptations of the Classical Arabic form directly derive 'Ai'sha' from 'Ai'sh' of which 'Ay'yash' is also derived...The definition is clear:

'Aish'=Enjoyment; Pleasure-seeking; Self-Indulgence [All of which are SYNONYMOUS in meaning, unlike AISHA'S proposed varied definitions such as "Well", "Prosperous", "Alive", "Beautiful", etc...Which these "HUNDREDS" of Websites contradictingly list.]

Also, the phonetic similarity is quite evident...enunciation, pronunciation, et al. This is not to include the Misri[Egyptian] Arabic colloquialism for "bread" which is "eish"...

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(salam)

Bro InshaAllah is correct.

According to the author of Kashful Ghumma, Imam alKathim [as] didnt have a daughter called Aisha.

Its on page 236-237. See : http://www.al-shia.com/html/ara/books/new/...lqomeh3/001.htm

æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáßÈÑì æ ÝÇØãÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ÑÞíÉ æ ÍßíãÉ æ Ãã ÃÈíåÇ æ ÑÞíÉ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ßáËæã æ Ãã ÌÚÝÑ æ áÈÇÈÉ æ ÒíäÈ æ ÎÏíÌÉ æ ÚáíÉ æ ÂãäÉ æ ÍÓäÉ æ ÈÑíåÉ æ ÚÇÆÔÉ æ Ãã ÓáãÉ æ ãíãæäÉ æ Ãã ßáËæã.

Here he's quoting Shaykh Mufid, not giving his own opinion, as he says: æ ÞÇá ÇáãÝíÏ ÑÍãå Çááå ÈÇÈ ÚÏÏ ÃæáÇÏå æ ØÑÝ ãä ÃÎÈÇÑåã :

Whereas earlier on, on Page 216 he says:

æÃãÇ ÃæáÇÏå :

ÝÞíá æáÏ áå ÚÔÑæä ÇÈäÇ æ ËãÇä ÚÔÑ ÈäÊÇ æ ÃÓãÇÁ Èäíå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Úáí ÇáÑÖÇ ÒíÏ ÅÈÑÇåíã ÚÞíá åÇÑæä ÇáÍÓä ÇáÍÓíä ÚÈÏ Çááå ÅÓãÇÚíá ÚÈíÏ Çááå ÚãÑ ÃÍãÏ ÌÚÝÑ íÍíì ÅÓÍÇÞ ÇáÚÈÇÓ ÍãÒÉ ÚÈÏ ÇáÑÍãä ÇáÞÇÓã ÌÚÝÑ ÇáÃÕÛÑ æ íÞÇá ãæÖÚ ÚãÑ ãÍãÏ.

æ ÃÓãÇÁ ÈäÇÊå ÎÏíÌÉ Ãã ÝÑæÉ ÃÓãÇÁ ÚáíÉ ÝÇØãÉ ÝÇØãÉ Ãã ßáËæã Ãã ßáËæã ÂãäÉ ÒíäÈ Ãã ÚÈÏ Çááå ÒíäÈ ÇáÕÛÑì Ãã ÇáÞÇÓã ÍßíãÉ ÃÓãÇÁ ÇáÕÛÑì ãÍãæÏÉ ÃãÇãÉ ãíãæäÉ æ Þíá ÛíÑ Ðáß.

And then after quoting Shaykh Mufid he quotes another 'Alim called ibn Khishab who also doesnt mention Aisha in the list of the Imams [as] daughters. æ ÃÓãÇÁ ÇáÈäÇÊ ÎÏíÌÉ æ Ãã ÝÑæÉ æ ÃÓãÇÁ æ ÚáíÉ æ ÝÇØãÉ æ ÝÇØãÉ æ Ãã ßáËæã æ Ãã ßáËæã æ ÂãäÉ æ ÒíäÈ æ Ãã ÚÈÏ Çááå æ ÒíäÈ ÇáÕÛÑì æ Ãã ÇáÞÇÓã æ ÍßíãÉ æ ÃÓãÇÁ ÇáÕÛÑì æ ãÍãæÏÉ æ ÃãÇãÉ æ ãíãæäÉ (This list is the same as the one on pg 216)

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Imam Ali (as) had 18 son three of them were named:

Abu Bakr ibne Ali (as)

Umar ibne Ali (as)

Uthman ibne Ali (as)

And you know all these sons were born after Sayyeda Fatima (as) left this world.

I'm just putting up a fact no discussions!

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salam

aisha , means living , or alive , no need to look into classicc terminology geographically abbasids history watever , till today its used in spoken arabic

maybe the name doesnt refer to that , but thats what its used for

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Imam Ali (as) had 18 son three of them were named:

Abu Bakr ibne Ali (as)

Umar ibne Ali (as)

Uthman ibne Ali (as)

And you know all these sons were born after Sayyeda Fatima (as) left this world.

I'm just putting up a fact no discussions!

Salam..Those are not facts. There are anywhere from 27 to 36 offspring of Imam Ali listed throughout the history books of all jamats...

Including children from the fictitious spouse of Imam Ali that was Amana [umama in other sources] who was the DAUGHTER of the fictitious ZAINAB bint Muhammad(SAW) and Abul Aas...Which means that Imam Ali [God forbid] wedded his spouse's biological NIECE!! Also, Imam Ali supposedly had a son named 'Muhammad al-Awsat' from her...Imam Ali has been listed with contradicting number of spouses, including some of which were [God forbid] SLAVE GIRLS!!

This means that all those sources that state as FACT that Imam Ali had sons named Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman ALSO uphold the above mentioned FABRICATIONS and EMBELLISHMENTS. Furthermore, there is no LOGICAL reason for Imam Ali to name his sons after USURPERS of HIS CALIPHATE which Rasulallah(SAW) made EXPLICIT at Ghadir al-Khum on 18th Zilhajj 10 A.H.(Mon 19th Mar 632 A.D.) in the presence of 130,000 Muslim hajis...This appointment is also recorded in numerous SUNNI hadith.

The ONLY authenticated names of Imam Ali's respective SONS and DAUGHTERS are the ones where their WILADATS and WAFATS are RECORDED, along with THE PLACES OF THEIR BIRTH and who have ACKNOWLEDGED GRAVESITES...

Here is the list provided after considerable probing with dozens of Shia and Non-Shia Muslim mujtahids, aalims, mawlanas [including members of the pre-eminent worldwide Shi'ite authority of I.M.A.M.-Imam Mahdi Association of Marjaeya]...Through a period spanning over 2 decades--

Hazrat Khalifah Hasan ibn Ali (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 15th Ramadhan 3 A.H.(Fri 4th Mar 625 A.D.)

d. 28th Safar 50 A.H.(Tue 29th Mar 670 A.D.)

Hazrat Imam Husayn ibn Ali (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 5th Shaban 4 A.H.(Fri 13th Jan 626 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Zaynab bint Ali

b. 6th Shaban 6 A.H.(Mon 24th Dec 627 A.D.)

d. 24th Safar 65 A.H.(Mon 13th Oct 684 A.D.)

Hazrat Umme Kulthum bint Ali

b. 18th Rabi-ul-Awwal 8 A.H.(Sat 18th Jul 629 A.D.)

d. 16th Zilhajj 62 A.H.(Mon 28th Aug 682 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhammad ibn Ali [aka 'al-Hanafia'; aka 'Muhammad al-Akbar']

b. 1st Rajab 15 A.H.(Fri 12th Aug 636 A.D.)

d. 10th Zilkad 67 A.H.(Tue 31st May 687 A.D.)

Hazrat Talib ibn Ali [aka 'Muhammad al-Asghar'; aka 'Abu Bakr']

b. 11th Rabi-ul-Awwal 17 A.H.(Thu 5th Apr 638 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Abbas b. Ali

b. 7th Rajab 24 A.H.(Mon 12th May 645 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar b. Ali

b. 4th Shaban 25 A.H.(Thu 28th May 646 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Yahya b. Ali [aka 'Uthman'; aka 'Amru'] (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 4th Rajab 26 A.H.(Mon 19th Apr 647 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhsin b. Ali [aka 'Abdullah'; aka 'Ibrahim']

b. 11th Zilhajj 27 A.H.(Fri 8th Sep 648 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Ruqayya b. Ali [aka 'Khadijat-ul-Sughra'] (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 5th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 29 A.H.(Thu 17th Jan 650 A.D.)

d. 7th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 62 A.H.(Fri 24th Feb 682 A.D.)

*These are the ORIGINAL or AUTHENTIC names of Imam Ali's VERIFIABLE offspring from a purely academic, historical, archaeological, forensic, fact-based standpoint...

P.S.--Incidentally, the epithet/laqab or name/ism 'Khadija' ("Of Premature Birth") was not commonly applied as a proper FIRST NAME to daughters of premature birth during Pre-Islamic Arabia circa 200-600 A.D....It was applied more often than not as a laqab or epithet/nickname...

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Regardless of the naming is good or bad, I have noticed one thing here in Pakistan..

All the chicks named Aisha/Ayesha are quite beautiful (Except 1 case). They possess some good face beauty. :)

Salaam Alaykum

That's mean :D

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Salam..Those are not facts. There are anywhere from 27 to 36 offspring of Imam Ali listed throughout the history books of all jamats...

Including children from the fictitious spouse of Imam Ali that was Amana [umama in other sources] who was the DAUGHTER of the fictitious ZAINAB bint Muhammad(SAW) and Abul Aas...Which means that Imam Ali [God forbid] wedded his spouse's biological NIECE!! Also, Imam Ali supposedly had a son named 'Muhammad al-Awsat' from her...Imam Ali has been listed with contradicting number of spouses, including some of which were [God forbid] SLAVE GIRLS!!

This means that all those sources that state as FACT that Imam Ali had sons named Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman ALSO uphold the above mentioned FABRICATIONS and EMBELLISHMENTS. Furthermore, there is no LOGICAL reason for Imam Ali to name his sons after USURPERS of HIS CALIPHATE which Rasulallah(SAW) made EXPLICIT at Ghadir al-Khum on 18th Zilhajj 10 A.H.(Mon 19th Mar 632 A.D.) in the presence of 130,000 Muslim hajis...This appointment is also recorded in numerous SUNNI hadith.

The ONLY authenticated names of Imam Ali's respective SONS and DAUGHTERS are the ones where their WILADATS and WAFATS are RECORDED, along with THE PLACES OF THEIR BIRTH and who have ACKNOWLEDGED GRAVESITES...

Here is the list provided after considerable probing with dozens of Shia and Non-Shia Muslim mujtahids, aalims, mawlanas [including members of the pre-eminent worldwide Shi'ite authority of I.M.A.M.-Imam Mahdi Association of Marjaeya]...Through a period spanning over 2 decades--

Hazrat Khalifah Hasan ibn Ali (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 15th Ramadhan 3 A.H.(Fri 4th Mar 625 A.D.)

d. 28th Safar 50 A.H.(Tue 29th Mar 670 A.D.)

Hazrat Imam Husayn ibn Ali (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 5th Shaban 4 A.H.(Fri 13th Jan 626 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Zaynab bint Ali

b. 6th Shaban 6 A.H.(Mon 24th Dec 627 A.D.)

d. 24th Safar 65 A.H.(Mon 13th Oct 684 A.D.)

Hazrat Umme Kulthum bint Ali

b. 18th Rabi-ul-Awwal 8 A.H.(Sat 18th Jul 629 A.D.)

d. 16th Zilhajj 62 A.H.(Mon 28th Aug 682 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhammad ibn Ali [aka 'al-Hanafia'; aka 'Muhammad al-Akbar']

b. 1st Rajab 15 A.H.(Fri 12th Aug 636 A.D.)

d. 10th Zilkad 67 A.H.(Tue 31st May 687 A.D.)

Hazrat Talib ibn Ali [aka 'Muhammad al-Asghar'; aka 'Abu Bakr']

b. 11th Rabi-ul-Awwal 17 A.H.(Thu 5th Apr 638 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Abbas b. Ali

b. 7th Rajab 24 A.H.(Mon 12th May 645 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Jafar b. Ali

b. 4th Shaban 25 A.H.(Thu 28th May 646 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Yahya b. Ali [aka 'Uthman'; aka 'Amru'] (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 4th Rajab 26 A.H.(Mon 19th Apr 647 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Muhsin b. Ali [aka 'Abdullah'; aka 'Ibrahim']

b. 11th Zilhajj 27 A.H.(Fri 8th Sep 648 A.D.)

d. 10th Muharram 61 A.H.(Tue 12th Oct 680 A.D.)

Hazrat Bibi Ruqayya b. Ali [aka 'Khadijat-ul-Sughra'] (2 mos. premature birth)

b. 5th Jamadi-ul-Awwal 29 A.H.(Thu 17th Jan 650 A.D.)

d. 7th Jamadi-ul-Akhar 62 A.H.(Fri 24th Feb 682 A.D.)

*These are the ORIGINAL or AUTHENTIC names of Imam Ali's VERIFIABLE offspring from a purely academic, historical, archaeological, forensic, fact-based standpoint...

P.S.--Incidentally, the epithet/laqab or name/ism 'Khadija' ("Of Premature Birth") was not commonly applied as a proper FIRST NAME to daughters of premature birth during Pre-Islamic Arabia circa 200-600 A.D....It was applied more often than not as a laqab or epithet/nickname...

In your list, two names belong to one and same person. But its generally heard, Imam (as) had 18 sons, in that list Yahya, Al-Hanifa, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman are different person.

So far as I know, Abu Bakr, Uthman were martyred at Karbala along with Imam Husain (as).

Out of 18 son, lineage continued from only four.

Including children from the fictitious spouse of Imam Ali that was Amana [umama in other sources] who was the DAUGHTER of the fictitious ZAINAB bint Muhammad(SAW) and Abul Aas...Which means that Imam Ali [God forbid] wedded his spouse's biological NIECE!! Also, Imam Ali supposedly had a son named 'Muhammad al-Awsat' from her.

As for Umama, I've read she was daughter of Zainab bint Muhammed (pbuh) and Abul Aas. Marriage is forbidden between two sisters at same time, as for the above condition I don't know. I myself would like to know more on this.

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In your list, two names belong to one and same person. But its generally heard, Imam (as) had 18 sons, in that list Yahya, Al-Hanifa, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman are different person.

So far as I know, Abu Bakr, Uthman were martyred at Karbala along with Imam Husain (as).

Out of 18 son, lineage continued from only four.

As for Umama, I've read she was daughter of Zainab bint Muhammed (pbuh) and Abul Aas. Marriage is forbidden between two sisters at same time, as for the above condition I don't know. I myself would like to know more on this.

Wa Alaikum as-Salam..

I too have run across dozens of such lists...but the problem with lists are that they are just that...They have to be backed by forensic evidence such as acknowledged gravesites, birth & death dates, places of birth..and not to mention even minimal personal hadiths(narratives) of their lives. If they are just names on a list, they mean hardly anything on just that principle. As I stated, I have researched and probed with so many Aalims over the past two decades and it was a very excruciating task. Just think how modern Western historians of the past century do investigative historical research with their precision methodology to deduce what is myth, folklore, legend, speculation, theory and FACT.

Also, in early medieval Arabian culture and society, BIRTHNAMES of boys were NEVER with "ABU" in them..."Abu" indicated an application for epithets/titles [i.e. laqabs] or agnomina [i.e. kunyat]. Many a LAQAB for both males and females that were primarily or ONLY applied as epithets during Pre-Islamic Arabia of circa 200-600 A.D., were a century or so later, applied as BIRTHNAMES...such as Abul Fazl["Father of the Gracious"], Khadija["Of Premature Birth"], etc., etc...

The lists of the Karbala martyrs were not compiled until the Caliphate of Harun ar-Rashid(763-809 AD). Again, an 'Abbasid' spin to INTEGRATE the Hashimites [i.e. Aal-e-Muhammad] with their rivals and opponents DOMINATED all historical LISTS and fabricated hadith(narratives) from that era. NOTHING from the Umayyad Caliphate survived, if they were even published at all, on the history of the Hashimites [who were the arch-enemies of the Umayyads]. The curious OBSERVATION about this list is that there are some of Imam Husayn's Karbala ashab who have the name of "Yazid"...Factual coincidence or an 'Abbasid' underlying perverse symbolism??

Also, another perplexing OBSERVATION about the 'Abbasid' list of Karbala Martyrs are the varying numbers--traditionally it was said to be 72 but there are alternate lists that have 75 // 76 // 78 AND even 80 NAMES!!

There was said to be an EARLIER list of the Karbala martyrs and also the ONLY one compiled during the Umayyad Caliphate [this was the Caliphate Umar b. Abdul Aziz]...The ONLY Umayyad period who sympathized with the Aal-e-Muhammad but that list is only a cursory MENTION. It never turned up archeologically. If it did, it would most likely be the definitive LIST of names of those 72 martyrs of Karbala; Caliph Umar b. Abdul Aziz(682-720 AD) returned the property of Fadak back to its rightful owners in the 5th and 6th Imams Muhammad al-Baqir(677-735 AD) and Jafar as-Sadiq(700-765 AD). That list would have been directly from the 5th and 6th Imams themselves...

Also, Caliph Umar b. Abdul Aziz[caliphate 717-720 AD] was the person who brought an END to the PUBLIC CURSING of Imam Ali at the time of the Juma Salat[Friday prayers]...This public cursing of Imam Ali was instituted as an official DECREE by the Caliphate of Muawiyah b. 'Abu Sufyan'...So it is historically EVIDENT that it was not the Shias who began the CURSING OF THE SAHABAS but Muawiyah b. 'Abu Sufyan' himself!! As Imam Ali was the ULTIMATE SAHABA...

As for the INVENTED and FICTITIOUS other THREE alleged daughters of Rasulallah(SAW), the MOST CONCRETE evidence that they NEVER EXISTED AT ALL is that they have NO GRAVESITES in either Jannat-ul-Moalla[Al-Hajun] OR Jannat-ul-Baqi!!! They ALSO HAVE NO BIRTH OR DEATH DATES RECORDED ANYWHERE AT ALL!!!

For instance, if the Muslim World were to bring in the most expert archaeologists and historians of the West for purely OBJECTIVE reasons, they would DISMISS any notion that Rasulallah(SAW) HAD ANY OTHER DAUGHTERS BESIDES HAZRAT FATIMA SAYYIDA based on all the available "evidence" the Muslim World would provide them...

So, in CONCLUSION, any STORY recorded that Imam Ali "married" Bibi Fatima's FICTITIOUS eldest sister Zaynab's equally FICTITIOUS daughter 'Umama' or 'Amana'[these fabrications CANNOT even settle on ONE name!] IS PURE FABRICATION!!! And again this was the product of the 'Abbasid' Caliphate which overthrew the Umayyads in 132 A.H.[750 A.D.]...118 YEARS AFTER Rasulallah's passing!

Again, Imam Ali's SONS that were RENAMED during the 'Abbasid' compilation of the list of KARBALA MARTYRS were--

Hazrat Talib ibn Ali [aka "Muhammad al-Asghar" and aka "ABU BAKR"]--Whom Imam Ali named after HIS ELDEST BROTHER Janab Talib. Why Abu Bakr?

Who STOLE his beloved wife's property in FADAK. Who tried to force him to pay fealty to

him after STEALING the Islamic Caliphate whom Rasulallah(SAW) EXPLICITLY

announced for Imam Ali in front of 130,000 Muslim Hajis!!

Hazrat Yahya ibn Ali [aka "UTHMAN" and aka "Amru"]--Whom Imam Ali named after his father Hazrat Yahya Abu Talib; Even Imam Ali's father, the Sharif of

Bakka, Hazrat Abu Talib, has been attributed TWO other

first names in 'Imran' and 'Abdu Manaf'; 'Abdu Manaf' was never applied as a first name in Pre-Islamic

Arabian culture. It either served as a kunyat(agnomen) or laqab(epithet/title)...Why Uthman? Uthman the

UMAYYAD!! The worst enemies of Rasulallah(SAW) and the Hashimites!!

When SO MANY names of offspring are attributed to Imam Ali[27-36 no less!], their names are bound to be confused...Especially when there are numerous, somewhat varying, and somewhat CONTRADICTORY LISTS...

The prestigious Al-Azhar Islamic University Council deduced back in the 1960's that of the 600,000 HADITH(narratives) circulating ABOUT Rasulallah(SAW) [including his relations with his SAHABAS] within the Muslim World, ONLY around 10,000 or less should be regarded as AUTHENTIC. That is less than 2% of ALL the HADITH in circulation!!!

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^ Your post has nothing to do with the topic. We arent discussing Ummul Mumineen Ayesha®.

Also, the sources/references given are not the hadith books. Kashaf al-Ghumma is the book of 'Sirah' of Imams of ahl al-bayt(a) by al-Irbili.

'Ayesha' itself means 'Beautiful'.

It also means Life, Alive.

I have seen others posts by Murabit where he defends Abu bakr and Umer and other historical figures whom our olema have clearly proven time and time again that they were the enemies of Alhul Bayt. These people have crept into our religion, and some even attained the status of alim. Their aim is to destroy the shia school of thought by completely mutating it under the banner of unity. The clear example of which is seen in this gentleman's post. He calls Ayesha ummul mumineen where as there is clear evidence that she had lost this status after confronting Ameer ul mumineen (as) . There will soon be a time when hypocrites and their lost disciples will advocate ibn-e-zyaad, sinaan ibn annas and shimr bin dhiljawshan.

The imams never asked their shia to unconditionally unite with their opponents, they rather instructed them to observe taqiyya in the face of adversity until their last successor, the Baqiyatallah Imam Al-Mahdi (as) returns to restore Islam.

On the other hand they never turned their back on the ummah and always welcomed even their foes to learn and follow the true Islam. The preachings of Ahlulbayt show that the responsibility of a believer is to present the truth and only the ones guided by Allah will resort to it. It is such a pitty to see that some of the so called shia olema are willing to alter faith in exchange for a more powerful, a (so called) united following.

For those who call themselves shias and say it is justifiable to alter their beliefs on the basis of week analogies for (according to them) a greater cause of unity of the muslim powers. For those who say that they can adhere to both shia and sunni schools of thought; For those who believe they can travel in two boats of opposite directions at once; For those who justify the corruption of facts for international political gain; For those who are willing to exchange faith for power; are the following words of wisdom:

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 11:Waitha qeela lahum la tufsidoo fee alardi qaloo innama nahnu muslihoona

And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!"

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 12: Ala innahum humu almufsidoona walakin la yashAAuroona

Oh, verily, it is they, they who are spreading corruption but they perceive it not?

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 13: Waitha qeela lahum aminoo kama amana alnnasu qaloo anuminu kama amana alssufahao ala innahum humu alssufahao walakin la yaAAlamoona

And when they are told, "Believe as other people believe," they answer, "Shall we believe as the weak-minded believe?" Oh, verily, it is they, they who are weak-minded -but they know it not!

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 14: Waitha laqoo allatheena amanoo qaloo amanna waitha khalaw ila shayateenihim qaloo inna maAAakum innama nahnu mustahzioona

And when they meet those who have attained to faith, they assert, "We believe [as you believe]"; but when they find themselves alone with their- evil impulses, they say, "Verily, we are with you; we were only mocking!"

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 15: Allahu yastahzio bihim wayamudduhum fee tughyanihim yaAAmahoona

God will requite them for their mockery, and will leave them for a while in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and fro:

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 16: Olaika allatheena ishtarawoo alddalalata bialhuda fama rabihat tijaratuhum wama kanoo muhtadeena

It is they who have taken error in exchange for guidance; and neither has their bargain brought them gain, nor have they found guidance.

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 17: Mathaluhum kamathali allathee istawqada naran falamma adaat ma hawlahu thahaba Allahu binoorihim watarakahum fee thulumatin la yubsiroona

Their parable is that of people who kindle a fire: but as soon as it has illumined all around them, God takes away their light and leaves them in utter darkness, wherein they cannot see:

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 18: Summun bukmun AAumyun fahum la yarjiAAoona

Deaf, dumb, blind - and they cannot turn back.

Surat Al-Baqara, ayat 19: Aw kasayyibin mina alssamai feehi thulumatun waraAAdun wabarqun yajAAaloona asabiAAahum fee athanihim mina alssawaAAiqi hathara almawti waAllahu muheetun bialkafireena

Or of a violent cloudburst in the sky, with utter darkness, thunder and lightning: they put their fingers into their ears to keep out the peals of thunder, in terror of death; but God encompasses all who deny the truth.

3) No swear words, unmannered replies or racist comments, especially when directed at other members.

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Ok lets assume that imams did name their children Ayesha or Uthman. So what is the point, for one even if they did, it doesn't mean that they named them ayesha after prophets wife or they named them Uthman after sunnis third caliph. If we as shias are to follow our imams and hence should name our children the way our imams did then our imams did not name their kids only ayesha or only uthman. We do have a choice and hence if we choose to name our kids Ali or Fatima we are still following our imams.

Last but not least these names omar, abu bakar, uthman and ayesha don't even sound nice. :P

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Last but not least these names omar, abu bakar, uthman and ayesha don't even sound nice. :P

Didn't Ali (kaw) name his kids omar & osman also.......hhmmmm, i wonder why Ali chose NON NICE names to name his children?

I thought Everything & everyone to Come from the Holy Ma3soom imam was pure & perfect?

Then again i might be wrong :unsure:

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Didn't Ali (kaw) name his kids omar & osman also.......hhmmmm, i wonder why Ali chose NON NICE names to name his children?

I thought Everything & everyone to Come from the Holy Ma3soom imam was pure & perfect?

Then again i might be wrong :unsure:

Imam Ali's sons from ummul baneen (as) were:

Abbas, Abdulla, Ja'far and Usman (kept on the name of his uncle).

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What's the obsession? As we saw it isn't the case.

What isn't? Btw, I stumbled upon this thread because of your post - it's a very old one :P

Just wanted to mention: As far as I know, it's questionable whether Imam Ali ar-Ridha (as) had any children besides Imam Muhammad al-Taqi (as), so how could he have named his daughter Aisha if there was no daughter?

And Imam Ali al-Hadi's (as) daughter was named Alia, if I'm not mistaken (Muhammad, al-Hasan (as), Jafar, Hussain and Alia).

Apart from this, there's no problem with the name, per se. It sounds nice and has a nice meaning and as long as you name your daughter Aisha because you like the name and not because of Aisha binte Abi Bakr, there shouldn't be a problem for Shias. Though, there are enough beautiful names to choose from the Ahl-ul-Bait, no need to fight because of this.

These naming of their children (by Aimmah) is confusing, anyway. Not because of what they name them but simply because apart from the Aimmah (as) themselves there are different opinions about the other children (well, Imam Hussain's (as) children are well-known and few of Imam Hasan's (as) as well). But the rest? There are different opinions about how many children Imam Ali (as) had, for example, so how can we be sure about their names (apart from those who are well-known, like Muhammad Hanfiya or the martyrs of Karbala)?

But the point stands: Names aren't bad. The persons they are associated with might be. No one forces you to name your daughter Aisha if you're reminded of the prophet's (saaw) wife because of it.

Wa salam.

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(bismillah)

 

I think another thing to keep in mind is that being a parent in that era and being one in this era are not necessarily the same. People had a wife or three and then slave women. I doubt they were there for every birth of every child and were the ones to name every single one of them.

 

في أمان الله

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