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7 hours ago, StrugglingForTheLight said:

There shouldn't be confusion with Ghadeer declaration and Quran. The Imams [as] all would teach the true interpretation. The fact is if people don't guard against Satan, there is nothing God or his chosen ones can do to make people tread the right path. There are somethings that there is no turning or twisting away from Quran aside from the issue of Imammate but people turn away from it.

God commanded Bani-Israel to one thing in reality to Worship God sincerely,  and that included keeping up of prayer and giving of charity, etc...

The way to express their sincerity was submission and adherence to the Imams appointed by God who guide by his command. The book of Musa called the people to the Imams but obviously something went wrong despite all the clarification in that.

I don't understand why people don't accuse Harun of neglecting his duty to stop Shirk. Why didn't he fight? 

Ali called people to the straight path, as did the rest of the Imams. If people are sincere in their Salah and want to submit to God and follow the path of his guidance, the path of those who God bestowed favor upon, they would be easily guided to high true noble Quran.

Lastly our Imams are not like ISIS willing to shed blood endlessly for an ideal that society doesn't accept.

Yes a minority strong force of Imam Ali could of defeated his enemies by God's permission, but what is the point of that?

What lesson would it teach us? For example, should a minority of Muslims living in Canada fight the government to establish Islam and the truth?

Is this the way to go about transforming society?

 

Sorry... did I just read you right? Theres nothing GOD? THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE can do to guide people? Did you just commit kufr?

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6 minutes ago, AhleSunnahWalJammah said:

Sorry... did I just read you right? Theres nothing GOD? THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE can do to guide people? Did you just commit kufr?

Have you read the verse:

كَيْفَ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ قَوْمًا كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَشَهِدُوا أَنَّ الرَّسُولَ حَقٌّ وَجَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ {86}

[Shakir 3:86] How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Yes God can force people to believe, but that wouldn't be guiding them per their free-will. That would be forcing them to be what they don't want to be and guiding them against their will. Allah [swt] can force things to us, but what I meant, is that no amount of clarification from God and guidance from him, at certain points can guide people because of their unjust state.

I meant in the state Allah [swt] wishes to test humanity giving them free-will, at times, there is nothing he can do, for he doesn't change a state of people until they change their state, and he doesn't force people to the straight path, so working with his guidelines, like the fact he doesn't guide the unjust people,  there comes times when there is nothing more he can do to guide us and awaken us.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, StrugglingForTheLight said:

Have you read the verse:

كَيْفَ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ قَوْمًا كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَشَهِدُوا أَنَّ الرَّسُولَ حَقٌّ وَجَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ {86}

[Shakir 3:86] How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Yes God can force people to believe, but that wouldn't be guiding them per their free-will. That would be forcing them to be what they don't want to be and guiding them against their will. Allah [swt] can force things to us, but what I meant, is that no amount of clarification from God and guidance from him, at certain points can guide people because of their unjust state.

I meant in the state Allah [swt] wishes to test humanity giving them free-will, at times, there is nothing he can do, for he doesn't change a state of people until they change their state, and he doesn't force people to the straight path, so working with his guidelines, like the fact he doesn't guide the unjust people,  there comes times when there is nothing more he can do to guide us and awaken us.

 

 

 

 

I think you took it literally? Allah put a seal HIMSELF on peoples hearts... Allah is the guider and Misguider... he will guide if he wants... you cant say "no matter what God or his messengers do" because that questions Allahs divine capabilities 

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5 minutes ago, AhleSunnahWalJammah said:

I think you took it literally? Allah put a seal HIMSELF on peoples hearts... Allah is the guider and Misguider... he will guide if he wants... you cant say "no matter what God or his messengers do" because that questions Allahs divine capabilities 

Allah [swt] will never guide an unjust people unless the people leaves their injustice. This is repeated in Quran, and this a holy name of God, that God doesn't guide disbelievers or unjust people. 

What I meant is given that, when people commit to injustice and aren't willing to budge no matter how manifest the matter becomes to them, there is times nothing God or his chosen ones can do.

He warns them, he calls them back, but ultimately, he never guides them in their state, until they change their state.

Just as Quran says "God doesn't do atom's worth of injustice" and that is characteristic of God, the reality is that God is high above forcing unjust people to become good. It would go against his sublimity to do that. He doesn't simply awaken them and guide them, they have to change. To suggest otherwise, would go against one of the major themes in Quran.

It would make a mockery of the trial on earth, that Allah guide and misguides randomly, but rather, God guides those who strive in his ways, and he misguides the unjust who value things on par with him and obey the Taghut and follow the Taghut over him. He never has and will never change a state of people until they change what it is in themselves.

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Women in Islam have played vital roles especially if we talk about Janabe Fatima Zehra(as) and Janabe Zainab. It was because of the khutbas of Janabe Zainab we know what actually happened in Karbala, the scarifices made by Imam Hussain(as) else the people were present to make this event look like an ordinary fight between the two kings over the seat of Caliphate.

Normally when a husband is present in the house and there's a knock at the door then it's the husband who usually goes and sees who's there at the door. Now if we talk about the household of Prophet (pbuh) wouldn't Ali(a.s) did the same? Of course he would have too gone there but if Janabe Zehra wouldn't have intervened everything would have been a history. When people can forget the event of Ghadeer and had made changes in the history then this event would have been easily modified if Janabe Zehra(as) wouldn't have intervened. They would have easily said that Ali(as) and we never had any discord, and  Ali(as) was not forced to pay allegiance to Abu Bakar in fact Ali(a.s) himself called them so that he can pay the allegiance to him but the burning house of Fatima(a.s) tells a different story, the death of her son tells a different story, the broken ribs of her tells a different story and these stories definitely tell us Ali (as) was forced to pay allegiance and it was not merely out of His(as) own will.

The progeny of Prophet (pbuh) always made scarifices so that the ummah can know  the difference  between the right and wrong be it be the sacrifice made by Imam Hussain (as) against Yazeed or the sacrifice made by Janabe Zehra (as). 

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