Saddam Was A Brave Man

[zaigham abbas]

Though a murderer he was, not only of his enemies but also of his own family members, his sons in law, it seems he did not gas the kurds.

A War Crime or an Act of War?

By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

..................................This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target. And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas. The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent — that is, a cyanide-based gas — which Iran was known to use[. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time. These facts have long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned...............

.http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/op...&ex=1167800400

[rahat]

well atleast it was better than uthman who died crying like a [Edited Out]

lets see how brave saddam is when he burns in the fires of hell forever

[Islamic Salvation]

You want to return to Islam of Muhammad (s.a.w.) then listen to his own words:

"THE BRAVEST AMONG YOU IS THE ONE WHO CAN CONTROL HIS ANGER (AGAINST HURTING THE PROPERTY AND LIVES OF FELLOW MUSLIMS)"

How can you call him brave??

[roseandra]

This link http://www.alalam.ir/English/en-NewsPage.a...120070101211512 shows exactly what I had thought of Saddam. In front of the cameras, and he had to know in some fashion they'd be recording his execution, he wanted to appear as this really strong leader for Iraqis. He believed he was the rightful leader of Iraq, as a king. Time to move on, the man is dead. If anyone believes any human is worth killing over that did what he did, God guide them rightly, ameen.

[Abshir]

well atleast it was better than uthman who died crying like a [Edited Out]

lets see how brave saddam is when he burns in the fires of hell forever

Uthman (ra) was reading Koran when he was slayed. I don't know what slander you've been reading.

[Adam++]

Salams,

Abshir, brave eh? Define brave.

I'm assuming your saying Saddam was brave at the instant of his death execution due to his mental stability and everlasting comments.

Well, wouldn't bravery rather be determined through his heart. Only Allah (swt) knows how Saddam REALLY felt inside. Another form to determine bravery is through his actions. His words perhaps? Again, only Allah (swt) really knows how and if Saddam meant those words. Were not sure if they had a profound look, but rather a mere deception.

Overall; I feel they commited a mistake updating the complete video as it would most likey dignify Saddam's approach and consequentially cause topics in simliarity.

040.083

Then when their messengers came to them with clear arguments, they exulted in what they had with them of knowledge, and there beset them that which they used to mock.

040.084

But when they saw Our punishment, they said: We believe in Allah alone and we deny what we used to associate with Him.

040.085

But their belief was not going to profit them when they had seen Our punishment; (this is) Allah's law, which has indeed obtained in the matter of His servants, and there the unbelievers are lost.

Edited January 2, 2007 by Wise Muslim

[thewave]

Ya Allah

Salams

It is 2:30 in the morning here,and im dead tired, yet i find it compelling to post a reply to the way some so called "shia's" are acting and behaving in the name of Ahl-ul Bayt (as) , and sadly, some of them even run around and claim to be waiters of the Return (as) , when sadly some of them will be on His (as) enemy lines for sowing discord between the nation of Muhammad (SAW) .

Now to the original poster, I must say something which I hope you understand, bravery is not something you can suddenly attain, either you are brave or you are not, saddam showed his bravery in his ditch when he was caught by his masters, even hitler shot himself before allowing the enemies to take him capture, yes, so saddam looked brave, and uttered a few words, he looked calm and looked like he was accepting it, but what other choice did he have?

Look at it this way, he coud have cried and whined and resisted, which would have put him down as nothing but a coward, or he could have pulled a final way to save his filthy image, and look brave, calm and collective, yet in reality, he was not brave, he was simply acting his part as his ego would not let him die begging.Now does this imply bravery, not at all, had there been no tape,and had there been only the hanging, and noone was to see the hanging ever, you think he would have been so calm and relaxed? He was in his best dress, why? Simple, he needed to go down as a respectfull leader, as one with diginity, because his history speaks of him as a monster, and the question is, did it work? Did saddam's "appearant" bravery fool people, well, the answer is the creator of this thread. Saddam was not brave a day in his life,bravery is to stand for rights when tanks are ready to run you over, bravery is to stand for truth even if it means your death, bravery isnt looking good on tv, calm and collective so the stupid people (sorry its a psycoligical fact, many people are stupid) believe that he died bravely, saddam is the lowest of cowards, and may he burn in hell for his crimes againt humainity. Do not dare defend this paracite, who was created by the cancer amerikkka, do not put the word brave and saddam tikriti together, only the lowest of the low do that, and for the lowest of the low, may the sword of Imam Mahdi (as) be the last thing you see.

Now moving on to my usual rantings...mr "jund",although i do admire your stance towards Islamic Iran, I must argue some of your other positions.

DO YOU ACCUSE US OF HELPING THE INFIDEL??? WHEN EVERY SUNNI AND WAHABI COUNTRY IS MILITARY CONTROLLED BY THE US MILITARY AND EVERY INCH OF YOUR LAND HAS US MILITARY BASES.AND YOU COME TO ME AND TELL ME THIS MAN IS THE LEADER OF THE MUJAHIDEEN??? WHEN IT WAS HIM WHO BROUGHT THE WEST INTO OUR LANDS BY STARTING A WAR WITH THE TRUE MUJAHDIN OF IRAN AND OCCUPYING KUWAIT.

Allah IS THE ALMIGHTY , THE JUST AND SOON ,I PROMISE

Sadly, you seem to forget that it was the west who brought him into power, it was the west who created him, funded him, and supported him during the war with Islamic Iran.

now for a more sensible post...

Assalam

I do agree. I think he was a brave man. He took part in the attempt to assisinate Abdul Kareem Kasem at a young age, and went through many obstacles to become Iraq's president. When he died he was brave, solid as a rock, unlike as what Mowafak al Rubaie stated to "al Arabiyah News Channel" - "he was nervous, hesitant and acted like a coward"-, I guess he and his associates were the cowards. It was very shameful that the members of parilament (predominantly shia alliance) went to see his excecution, they chanted political slogans "moktada, moktada...." as if he was the one who got rid of saddam, Moreover, it honestly sounded like a Hussinyia "Alahuma salee al a muhammed..." very unpolitical, may Allah curse those who utilize Islam to legitimize their actions on the grounds of political, economical and social means and they ridiculed and satirized him, which is a very unislamic behavior, but who nowadays is "islamic" since Muhammed (S) said it is forbidden to satirize the a person by forming an act (i.e execution) even if it was a dog.

It is true that he was a tyrannt, but I have to say he did not kill as much Iraqis as we have been witnessing in the past 4 yrs, whom are being killed every day in hundreds by known and unknown militia groups and terror organization. He did not steal money as the many big names currently in power are doing, where they are laundering the money by purchasing many properties in the mid east, europe, and america. So I should say and many would agree that he was a brave man, and there were good aspects about him.

His lasts words, were "iraq is worth nothing without saddam hussein", and when you scrutinize his statement you can clearly see its truth, he, Al-Hajjaj, and Nouri Saeed were the ones who stated an analogous statement, and it always turned out to be the truth. I guess Iraq and its people should wait for another tyrannt, or I should say a "Benevolant Tyrannt" at least, because history has always proved that Iraqis prefer tyrannts, even Imam Ali (A) proved that, but he couldn't handle Iraqis since they drove him nuts.

May Allah have mercy on all, Ina lilah Wa Ina Ilahee Rahj3oon.

Wassalam

Although I do agree that Iraq was better off with saddam in power, and i do believe that this puppet government is full of nothing but liars and cheating munifiqs, i must disagree that he was brave. I also doagree that those idiots chanting moqtada... (refering to Syed Moqtada (HA) ) were displaying very unislamic behaviour, may their mothers mourn for them, as they have fueled the sectarian voilence by making it seem like a shia revenge, may Allah curse them. Like you said sister, iraqies drove Imam Ali (as) "nuts" so to say, what can we expect of them now? (of course i do not mean it as a racist slur, there are some respectable iraqies, and they are not at fault).

Another eloquent post...

Assalam

To the brother or sister nimaqh:

Do you know how many girls are being raped daily in Iraq? Are you aware of the hundreds who are being sold in the sex trade industry across the Gulf? Lets say the number is very high according to a UN documentation. Militia groups are behind these actions, they are raping and killing Iraq everyday, and where are the Grand Ayatollahs (May Allah be pleased with them and grant them paradise), I haven't heard about one Fatwa that disclosed these distressing events and the outcome of the perpetrators. All those whom are currently in power are aware of the situation, they even asked one of Iraq's prominent cleric (I won't mention his name) and he stated we are looking into that crime. However, nothing was looked at.

Those militia groups are the saddamists, they are doing the killing, they are raping, they are stealing, and they are creating the sedition amongst the muslims. Saddam's actions are considered scanty in relation to the above. One has to wonder where are the clerics in issuing fatwas against these degrading actions that violate the rights of humanity, but I guess there busy with the oil, and the properties and buisness's that they have purchased from Iraq's wealth.

Wassalam

I must second this post and ask, where are the fatwas, even from iran? It is a shame what the shia's are becoming.

Now, sadly, a post full of verbal dieriah...

america,israel,hamas,fatah -after what i saw today on tv,protesting saddams death and stepping on sayed sistanis picture-,moqtda alsader,ICU,saddam,bin laden,mullah omar,and all those wahabis in the gulf have the same filthy minds.first go free your own countries from us military bases and then go wage jihad in iraq if you are brave,in which you have killed over 500,000 iraqis,including women and children.thats the filthy mind you have and thats the truth you have to face abshir.

Firstly sir, I must ask, is Syed Moqtada Sadr (HA) not a shia, if so, than it can be justly stated that anything that comes out of your mouth is lies and hatered. Now, you are telling the arab states to get the amerikkkans out, yes i agree, but was it not the iraqi shia who invited amerikkka into iraq? Why can a few thousand soliders in lebanon defeat the strongest military power in the middle east, and iraqies can not? It amazes me how much iraqies depend on amerikkka and then say we hate them? Wow, can you say hypocricy? I can.

next...

THAT INCLUDES THE SHIA MOQTDA AL-SADER WHO HAS BETRAYED HIS FATHER AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MANY DEATHS OF SHIAS IN IRAQ.I WILL NOT BACK DOWN FROM SAYING THE TRUTH AND IF ONE DAY I HAVE TO DIE FOR THAT ONE CAUSE THEN MY PLEASURE.LOOK TO YOUR LEADERS AND WHERE THEY HAVE TAKEN YOU,I ASSURE YOU IT WILL BE THE LIKES OF HIM AND HIS PARTNER THE SHAYTAN WHO WILL FIGHT THE TRUE MUJAHDIN OF IMAM MAHDI -ATF- .IN WHICH THEY WILL FAIL AS THATS THE WISH OF Allah -SWT- THE ALMIGHTY,THE JUST.

May Allah curse you, and may the sword of Imam Mahdi be the last thing you see, Syed Moqtada's (HA) finger has more diginity than you,you fitna mongering filth,la3nat Allah 3alek,may Allah put you with saddam. It is not Syed Moqtada (HA) who has betrayed his father, it is the iraqies of your likes who have betrayed shiaism and sold it to amerikkka, and for that, my curses go to you and your likes.

ABSHIR HOW CAN I NOT HATE YOU OR HATE SUNNIS ,YOU'RE A FILTHY SOLDIER FOR THE ENEMIES OF Allah -SWT-.DO YOU REALIZE WHY I HATE YOU,I USED TO SAY THAT I DONT HATE ANYBODY EVEN IF THEY HURT ME BUT I'VE JUST PROVED MYSELF WRONG.DO YOU REALIZE WHO YOU'RE CALLING BRAVE,DO YOU REALIZE THAT YOU AND EVERY SUNNI AND WAHABI ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH IF THEY ARE TO SOME DEGREE RELIGOIUS,THEY SUPPORT CRIMES,GENOCIDE,MURDER,BRUTALITY AGAINST THE SHIAS IN IRAQ AND ALL OVER THE WORLD,IT IS EVIDENT TRUTH ABSHIR THERES NO NEED TO TELL ME OTHERWISE YOU AND AL-JAZEERA AND ALL THE JORDANIANS CAN BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL WITH YOUR WARRIOR SADDAM.DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MAN DID TO HUMANS REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE SHIAS OR NOT ,HAVE YOU SEEN THE THE KURDISH BABIES DEAD IN THEIR MOTHERS ARM,WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT TAKEN EASY BY Allah SWT AND INSHALLAH YOU WILL BE PUNISHED FOR YOUR INHUMANITY. YOU MADE ME HATE YOU I WASN'T MADE TO HATE YOU AND ONE DAY YOU WILL MAKE ME FIGHT YOU IN BATTLE TO DEFEND THE DIGNITY AND HONOR FOR WHICH I STAND FOR. THOSE WHO DIED WILLINGLY WITH IMAM HUSSAIN -AS- WERE TRULY BRAVE MEN WHICH THEIR LEADER WAS A MAN OF SUCH COURAGE THAT WE WILL NOT FIND TODAY.YOU AND YOUR FELLOW WAHABIS ARE NOT BRAVE YOU ARE SIMPLY COWARDS MADE TO MURDER THE SOUL.

May Allah curse you for the fitna you create.

like i told you abshir,you guys are mentally impaired lol

Seems to me you are the mentally impaired.

Thats it for now, tune in to me rantings when i wake up.

Salams

me

[zainabia]

Abshir,

If Saddam was brave at time of his death, then what about the following Sahaba, who were running like goats at Hunaian?

إِذْ تُصْعِدُونَ وَلاَ تَلْوُونَ عَلَى أحَدٍ وَالرَّسُولُ يَدْعُوكُمْ فِي أُخْرَاكُمْ فَأَثَابَكُمْ غُمَّاً بِغَمٍّ لِّكَيْلاَ تَحْزَنُواْ عَلَى مَا فَاتَكُمْ وَلاَ مَا أَصَابَكُمْ وَاللّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

[Yusufali 3:153] Behold! ye were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at any one, and the Messenger in your rear was calling you back.

Was bravery of Saddam surpassed these Sahaba?

[Sehnsucht]

And...finally, as someone pointed out --- according to your logic, the bravest creature ever must be Iblis since he said no to Allah and also threatened to mess with Allah's creatures...if that's not "bravery" according to your standards, then what is?.....

^ Exactly exactly exactly. Jazak'Allah.

This nature of bravery is not by any means the commendable kind; therefore, it ceases to deserve the notation 'bravery'. It can rather be called callousness of an inhuman nature.

It is characteristic of one whose heart has been sealed due to overwhelming hypocrisy.

It is not bravery, it is heartlessness.

(Excuse the emotionally-charged capital-lettering,)

but NO MATTER FREAKING WHAT, any tyrant who could mercilessly, intentionally, and unrepentantly slaughter women and children ceases to have the capacity for bravery. I don't care if even his dying moments appear to reflect it; bravery is always and forever, til the last damned breath, the furthest thing from such a creature.

BRAVERY can NOT be applied to the tyrant who bombarded entire villages due to the slightest fear of opposition. It is rather the reflection of such immense fear, that it steals away the humanity of a person and leaves him a cold, heartless, emotionless, MACHINE.

A machine shows no emotion when it is destroyed. A machine does not go back on its programming or quit with the insistence of its erred utterances, no matter how illogical. It stands by what it is programmed to stand by til the death.

Human beings are supposed to be different from this in one very important manner: 'aql. The ability to know right from wrong; to know when the line has been crossed and when the program needs to change.

As evidenced by Saddam's callous recitation of the kalimah while the blood of hundreds of thousands was still fresh and unrepented for on his hands, he did not have the capacity for program change.

[abu-lulua]

moufak al rubai spoke with saddam(la) before the execution, saddam ask him to let him live and that he will fix the situation. well on camera, saddam probably tried to put on a strong face.

[Adam++]

Salams,

If we were to think about it; Saddam isn't the only one that deserves to be hanged. There are many poltical and religious leaders that are at times worse then him. I personally would rather see Muqtada hanged then Saddam. Every party and organization are corrupt. I feel this side of me, simply cuz I feel it's unfair to Saddam that he recieves an instant death while others are as speakable. 10 political leaders in Iraq are possibly as worse as Saddam; stealing, raping and decieving, what good it do? From now on I have learned that nobody could be trusted and supported, but only the innocent mothers and children dying. All I want is the dying to cease. All I want is justice for my people. Peace and harmony to stabilize my country. And Imam Mahdi (hf) is our only hope. May Allah (swt) hastens his reappearance.

Edited January 2, 2007 by Wise Muslim

[jalal27]

What is the point of this topic he is dead . People on this bored who say other sahaba's were corwards sit on website typing words to make them seem smart which does nothing for their own souls which could end them up in the fire along with those they claim are going. When you write these topics are to make you a better muslim? maybe all should read sura Luqman again and see i by being so lound they are acting like a brazen ass.

[rahat]

Uthman (ra) was reading Koran when he was slayed. I don't know what slander you've been reading.

uthman died crying like a coward hiding from the public, while they hunted him and wanted him dead. apparently being a sucky and corrupt caliph wasn't popular with the people.

atleast abu bakr died repenting and saying that each and every one of his actions were wrong, apologizing to the Ahlul Bayt for usurping their right.

saddam died like a criminal. if he was brave or cowardly, its all good, cause that [Edited Out] tyrant is D E A D.

and he is off to hell.

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Sure you can think he was brave - but he is DEAD! Alhamdulillah! DEAD. KHALAS. MEURTE. I can't say "RIP" becuase he certainly wont be resting, and it certainly won't be in peace. "SIH" - suffering in hell is more accurate.

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rahat

Edited January 2, 2007 by rahat

[explore]

hi abshir how do you know he wasn't scared did you see inside his heart for you to determine were you in his head to know

[Abshir]

hi abshir how do you know he wasn't scared did you see inside his heart for you to determine were you in his head to know

His composure,..his words,..everything indicated that he wasn't scared. When they yelled "Moqtada! Moqtada! Moqtada!",...what was his response? He rhetorically asked "Heya hay il marjala?" The guy had balls.

The government's initial comments also exposed them. Mowaffak al Rubaie said he died "a broken man,..submissive with fear in his eyes." LOL,..now everybody knows that Mowaffak al Rubaie is a kadhabb. The truth always comes out.

Edited January 2, 2007 by Abshir

[explore]

well it don't matter whether he was brave or not it doesn't mean he wasn't guilty

[peaceonearth]

abshir you know very well the US military gave him a few sniffs of their ganja ,look at his face when he asks the guard about the head cover,he doesn't even know what that was.

[Gypsy]

:salam:

There is some bad news for Saddam.

"Shall We make those who believe in God and do good deeds like those who work corruption on earth?

Shall We requite pious and God fearing men like the sinful and the doers of evil?

Do those who have committed foul and sinful deeds imagine that We will grant them a rank like that of those who believe in God and do good works, so that they wilt be alike in death and in life?

Theirs is a false and ignorant notion. God has created the heavens and the earth in justice, and ultimately every soul shall receive the requital for its deeds, without any injustice"

(The Holy Al-Quran Chapter 45 Verse 21-22

Edited January 2, 2007 by Zareen

[Abshir]

abshir you know very well the US military gave him a few sniffs of their ganja ,look at his face when he asks the guard about the head cover,he doesn't even know what that was.

Dude was given no drugs. You can believe that if it will make you feel better though.

[explore]

abashir if he was brave then imam ali(as) was braver my friend *wink* and was hit by the poisoned sword doing SUJUD

[Ali_NL]

today the iraqi news reported that saddam was heavy shaking before the execution in some hours.

The american medical team had gived him some calmdown injection to let hem be normal again. lol

After that he wanted to talk to a high ranked colonel about maybe he can be released...cause as he said "I can capture for you all al qaida terrorist and let the shi3a go down again...but nobody cared about his speech and they bringed him to the exevution...

So he was not brave and he was never brave.

Saddam was a human who like to live forever and he didnt cared about someone so long as he can life and can kill iraqi's.

[Ali86]

His composure,..his words,..everything indicated that he wasn't scared. When they yelled "Moqtada! Moqtada! Moqtada!",...what was his response? He rhetorically asked "Heya hay il marjala?" The guy had balls.

The government's initial comments also exposed them. Mowaffak al Rubaie said he died "a broken man,..submissive with fear in his eyes." LOL,..now everybody knows that Mowaffak al Rubaie is a kadhabb. The truth always comes out.

there are continuosly reports saying that saddam was near hysterical and shaking to the extent that he was saying "don't kill me. i'll destroy al-qaida for you" and that he was given a diluted sedative . he looked dazed and the executioners actually use their hands in an overly expressive way to try to explain something to him. he still looked dazed and kept looking from one executionar to another as if he wasn't aware of what was going on

^sorry for repeating more or less the same thing - your post appeared at the same time as mine

Edited January 2, 2007 by Ali86

[Abshir]

there are continuosly reports saying that saddam was near hysterical and shaking to the extent that he was saying "don't kill me. i'll destroy al-qaida for you" and that he was given a diluted sedative . he looked dazed and the executioners actually use their hands in an overly expressive way to try to explain something to him. he still looked dazed and kept looking from one executionar to another as if he wasn't aware of what was going on

LOL....haha,..yeah these reports are just like Mowaffak Rubaie's report that Saddam had the look of fear in his eyes when he died. His lie was exposed. And I am 100% certain that these other claims of Saddam being hysterical are also lies. Its too obvious

"Heya hay il marjala?"

-Saddam Hussein

That isn't fear.

[peaceonearth]

:!!!: your harded-headed aren't you

[Iqra]

Most people who live in opulence would crumble after 3 years of solitary imprisonment. But Saddam apparently was never "broken" by his experience.

Solitary confinement is not solitary confinement when you are allowed corespondance with a lawyer everyday, as many bags of Doritos and Cheetos as you like, a garden, literature, radio and the chance to write your own novel. In maximum security prisons, you get a 4ftx7ft cell with literally no contact with the outside world, no perks, perhaps one or two books and that is it. And you don't have the luxury of knowing that the world is monitoring your every second there.

[muslim dude]

He was brave for all the wrong reasons.

[Karbla2eeAlhwa]

thats why we iraqis dont like other to give us their opnions lol .. man saddam was given some hashisha lol he was injected with somthing to make him feel somthing lol

wuts wrong with u guys ? have u ever seen my signiture in iraqi forums before lol we shia iraqis hates sadam and expecting all shia in the world to hate him and share us our happiness bc we r all brother .. but some r just like somthing saying nothing

[Malek-e-Ashtar]

Abshir you're just stirring by repeating the same thing over and over again. The need for this clearly shows you're not wholeheartedly convinced yourself.

I guess your hurt. Have you finished reading the Koran for him? Stop wasting time on Shiachat.

There's a lot of mourning and koran-reading coming your way, hopefully this year inshallah: Bin Laden, Mullah Umar and the rest his faithful companions. You can start a seperate thread to commend the bravery of each of them too. :)

Love you loadz

Malek

Edited January 3, 2007 by Malek-e-Ashtar

[Dhulfiqar]

Don't confuse bravery with arrogance.

[roseandra]

abu-lulua writes:

"moufak al rubai spoke with saddam(la) before the execution, saddam ask him to let him live and that he will fix the situation. well on camera, saddam probably

tried to put on a strong face. "

Exactly my thoughts! Saddam knew he was going to dye. So he put on the face of the strong king like man that is the savior of Iraq. That's all it was. Come on yall, he was a political man, and had been for years. He knew how to act, all politicians do to some degree or another; they have to learn too.

Now there is one thing i want to say because I feel this really really strongly. We may believe that Saddam will go to hell. However, for certain only Allah knows this. Only Allah knows what was in his heart when he dyed. We do not. Only Saddam and Allah truly know what was there. I can't imagine that he was write with Allah in any way when he dyed, but I for certain do not know this. I can't believe he wouldn't suffer in some way for things he has done, however, my believing this doesn't make it certain.

[Majeda]

Abshir,

how do you know that there wasn't fear in his eyes???

I know for a fact that even children, although they may be scared of something/someone will get a surge of adrenaline and will fight back in some way (verbally, physically, etc)..my son does it and he's only 1!!!!!

stop calling that official a liar unless u were there to witness events for yourself...you're accusing a muslim of lying when you do not have all the facts for yourself since you weren't there...don't add sins to your record for Saddam's sake...

[Abshir]

Abshir,

how do you know that there wasn't fear in his eyes???

I know for a fact that even children, although they may be scared of something/someone will get a surge of adrenaline and will fight back in some way (verbally, physically, etc)..my son does it and he's only 1!!!!!

stop calling that official a liar unless u were there to witness events for yourself...you're accusing a muslim of lying when you do not have all the facts for yourself since you weren't there...don't add sins to your record for Saddam's sake...

Fear manifests itself in far more obvious ways. I don't buy this "look into his eyes" nonsense. The man was coherent, defiant, and unshaken. Any non bias observer saw this. Even western journalists wrote that Mowaffak al Rubaie's comments were totally erroneous and that he made those comments not expecting the truth to come out. Mowaffaka al Rubaie is a huge liar. Not only that,..but i read that it was his voice that said "Moqtada! Moqtada! Moqtada!" What a tool.

I don't understand why everyone is going nuts here. Saddam was brave. This doesn't mean he was good or kind or merciful. But it seems you guys are refusing even 1 single good quality to be attributed to him. Unfortunately this is the real world Saddam wasn't 100% evil. And even if he was 95% evil then his bravery lies in the remaining 5%.

Edited January 3, 2007 by Abshir

[CatStevens]

(salam)

I was never a big supporter of saddam and it is obvious he was americas pet upto 1990.

but yes he was the more dignified and greater than any of the cowards present in the chamber. They never had the guts to challenge him when he was in power.

Iraq is now a deadly place for ANY sunni. how can the goernment allow moqtada al sadrs gangbangers into a chamber where only officials should be allowed. Iraq is not even ruled by a shia government but by shia gangmembers who are pets for Amreeka.

[Al-Mufeed]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I was never a big supporter of saddam and it is obvious he was americas pet upto 1990.

but yes he was the more dignified and greater than any of the cowards present in the chamber. They never had the guts to challenge him when he was in power.

Iraq is now a deadly place for ANY sunni. how can the goernment allow moqtada al sadrs gangbangers into a chamber where only officials should be allowed. Iraq is not even ruled by a shia government but by shia gangmembers who are pets for Amreeka.

The only people allowed in the chamber were government officials and familiy members of people who were murdered by Saddam in the Dujail case. Obviously those people did stand up to Saddam when he was in power, their family members were executed for taking part in an assasination attempt on Saddam.

Iraq is a deadly place for sunnis?

Is that why every day sunni-takfiri-wahhabi-baathi kaffirs blow up illiterate shia day labourers, pregnant women, school children and execute shia pilgrims from other countries?

Why do you guys keep defending Saddam? The man was a cold blooded killer, who killed hundreds of thousands of shias and sunnis.

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Brave?

Sunnis never cease to amaze me.

If the official story is correct, he ran away the moment americans stepped into the country and hid himself in a hole.

Mashallah, what a brave man.

Reminds me of Abdul Ka'aba (i.e. Abu Bakr). He was sitting in the cave next to the Messenger of God, but was peeing on himself, to such an extent that he almost revealed their location, if God had not calmed the guy down. (Not to mention his habit of running away from battles, much like his spiritual descendant Saddam.)

I guess that's Sunni "bravery" for you.