Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله
Sign in to follow this  
thulfikar

Who Gave Umar The Name "al-farook" ?

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

Imam Ali says: I am the bigger Siddiq and greater Farouq, and anyone who claims to be that after me is a LIAR.

and Allah curses the liars

oh! really u dont hav a habbit of giving refference

where did he (ra) say this?????????

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib (ra) said

A transmitter(Ravi) Ibrahim Nakhahi says that Al-qama struck his hand on the mimbar of a Masjid in Kufa and said on this very mimbar i heard Hazrat Ali bin Abu Talib (ra) in his Khutba(sermon) Saying,

"khar un naas kaana bahda Rasool Allah S.A.W.W. Abu Bakr sum Umar"

The Best Person After Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. is Abu Bakr (ra) then Umar (ra) .

Masnad e Ahmad

Hazrat Umar Farooq (ra)

Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. prayed for him

“O Allah! Glorify Your faith by (the reversion of) `Umar .”

Abdullah ibn Mas`ud said, “`Umar’s (ra) submission to Islam was a fath (victory), his migration was a victory, his imamate was a blessing, and I have seen when we were unable to pray at the House (the Ka`bah) until he submitted to Islam.”

Also, the comment of `Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) on the migration of `Umar (ra) has to be written by letters of light on the pages of history:

I never knew anyone migrated unless secretly except `Umar (ra) , for he, when he resolved on migration, girt on his sword and slung over his bow and grasped in his hand its arrows, and went to the Ka`bah where in its quadrangle were the chiefs of the Quraysh, and he went round about it seven times, then prayed two rak`ahs at the Station of Ibrahim, and went to each, one by one, in their circles and said, “May the faces be foul! If anyone desires that his mother be bereaved of him and his child be left an orphan and his wife a widow, and if there be such a one, let him meet me behind this valley.” But no one followed him.

from http://www.islamonline.net/English/NewHijr...s/1426/01.shtml

From http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/OMAR3.HTM

The Title of Farooq

The coming over of Omar made a difference for Islam. Hitherto, the Muslims had lived in constant fear of the non-believers. Some of them had not even made their faith known to the people. They could not say their prayers publicly. All this changed when Omar became a Muslim.

The first thing Omar did was to call together the chiefs of Mecca. Before this gathering he declared himself a follower of Islam. They started at him in silence. No one had the courage to utter a word of reproach.

Omar next requested the Holy Prophet to say prayers in the Kaaba. He himself led a party of Muslims to that place. A second party was led by Hamza. When all had gathered, they said their prayers in congregation. The Holy Prophet led the prayer. This was the first prayer of its kind said in the Kaaba.

When migration to Medina started, the same thing happend again. Most of the Muslims left Mecca silently and secretly. But Omar would not do so. He put on his arms. Then he went to the Kaaba and said his prayer. The chiefs of Mecca looked at him in silence. After the prayer, he shouted out to them, "I am leaving for Medina. If anyone wants to stop me let him meet me across the valley. His mother shall certainly have to weep for him in sorrow."

Despite this challenge, no Meccan would dare to stop Omar. These things earned for Omar the title of Farooq. Farooq is the one who makes a difference. Omar's acceptance of Islam had made a big difference for Islam and Muslims

And Allah Knows the Best

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)

if it doesn' matter than their was no need for reply, but it matters because u replyed

it matters if its from Allah

i matters the most if it from Allah Almighty

Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. prayed for Umar Farooq (ra)

“O Allah! Glorify Your faith by (the reversion of) `Umar .”

So Islam was Glorified by the Islam of Umar Farooq (ra)

As it was From Allah Almighty and it is a Fact,proven fact

And Allah Knows the Best

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salaam Alaiqum to all belivers

Yaa ali madad haq hai haq hai haq hai

Lnanat beu shumar on muawiya palit

(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)

Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. prayed for Umar Farooq (ra)

“O Allah! Glorify Your faith by (the reversion of) `Umar .”

So Islam was Glorified by the Islam of Umar Farooq (ra)

As it was From Allah Almighty and it is a Fact,proven fact

And Allah Knows the Best

Says who eh???source??

is it like chrsitians trying to prove Jesus A.S as son of god from christian books/sources ???

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali madad

Hussainyet Zindabad

Yaeediyet +his so called that lanti muawiya +his so called father lanti abu sufyan murdad

Firoz Ali

Edited by Firoz Ali

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

hussainak

^ and you were listening to Rasool Allah (s.a.w) when he prayed for him ?

:) nahe :)

if i would have been listening i would not have been here

go play with ur toys, links is given go and check it urself

Says who eh???source??

Read post # 4 source is given

is it like chrsitians trying to prove Jesus A.S as son of god from christian books/sources ???

:) tell me if christians say this i will prove from their books that this is not the case

And Allah Knows the Best

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad haq hai haq hai haq hai

Muawiya pey lanat bey shumar

(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

:) tell me if christians say this i will prove from their books that this is not the case

And Allah Knows the Best

christian say wat??ehh?prove wat -- u dont have to prove anything to christians but since he is presenting his case (that jesus is the son of god) from christian sources

will u accept it ??

some way sunnis bring sunni sources to prove sunnis r right -- sensless logic eh

Ghussey mat hou yaar

In debate or argment yr own source can never be a legitmate proof that u r right

bring a neutral source

check my signatue all sunni sources r provided to prove shia point of view

bubye

tata

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad

Husainiyet Zindabad

yazediyet +his so called fthaer lanti muawiya +his so called father lanti abu sufyan murdabad

Firoz Ali

Allah Hafiz

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
oh! really u dont hav a habbit of giving refference

where did he say this?????????

Abo Dharr said: Rasulullah took the hand of Imam Ali, and the Rasulullah said:

"Here is the first who beleived in me, and the first who will shake hands with me in the day of judgement, and he is the bigger Siddiq and the Farooq of this umma, who splits between Haqq and Baatil, and he is the Yaasoob of the Momineen, and the worldy money is the yasoob of the munafiqeen."

reference:

Úä ÃÈí ÐÑ æÓáãÇä ÞÇáÇ: ÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå ÈíÏ Úáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ¡ ÝÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ): (åÐÇ Ãæá ãä Âãä Èí. æåÐÇ Ãæá ãä íÕÇÝÍäí íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ æåÐÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æåÐÇ ÝÇÑæÞ åÐå ÇáÃãÉ íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá¡ æåÐÇ íÚÓæÈ ÇáãÄãäíä¡ æÇáãÇá íÚÓæÈ ÇáãäÇÝÞíä). ÑæÇå ÛíÑ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑåã:

1 - ÇáÔæßÇäí Ýí ÏÑ ÇáÓÍÇÈÉ Õ 205¡ æÞÇá: ÃÎÑÌå ÇáØÈÑÇäí Ýí ÇáßÈíÑ ÈÅÓäÇÏ ÑÌÇáå ËÞÇÊ.

2 - ÇáãÊÞí Ýí ßäÒ ÇáÚãÇá Ì 11 Õ 616 ØÈÚ ÍáÈ¡ ÑæÇå Úä ÍÐíÝÉ.

Imam Ali said: "I am Abdullah, and the brother of Rasulullah, and I am the bigger Siddiq, he who claims this to himself after me is a damned liar"

reference:

ËÇäíÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå æÃÎæ ÑÓæáå æÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ áÇ íÞæáåÇ ÈÚÏí ÅáÇ ßÐÇÈ ãÝÊÑ¡ áÞÏ ÕáíÊ ÞÈá ÇáäÇÓ ÓÈÚ Óäíä). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí ÇáãÕÇÏÑ ÇáÊÇáíÉ ÚÏÇ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑå:

1 - ÇáßÇãá áÇÈä ÇáÃËíÑ Ì 2 Õ 22.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 394.

3 - ØÈÞÇÊ ÇáÔÚÑÇäí Ì 2 Õ 55.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 158 æ 167.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 257.

6 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 60.

7 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 49.

Ibn Abbas and Abu Dharr said: we heard Rasulullah say to Ali:

"You are the bigger Siddiq and you are the Farooq who splits between Haqq and Baatil."

reference:

ËÇáËÇ: Úä ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æÃÈí ÐÑ¡ ÞÇáÇ ÓãÚäÇ ÑÓæá Çááå íÞæá áÚáí: (ÃäÊ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æÃäÊ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ ÇáÐí íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÔãÓ ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ááÞÑÔí Õ 35.

2 - ÇáãæÇÞÝ ááÞÇÖí ÇáÅíÌí Ì 3 Õ 276.

3 - äÒåÉ ÇáãÌÇáÓ ááÕÝæÑí Ì 2 Õ 205.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155¡ æÝí ØÈÚÉ ÃÎÑì ÈÇáÞÇåÑÉ Ì 3 Õ 136.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 276.

6 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 24.

Imam Ali said: "I am the bigger Siddiq.."

reference:

ÑÇÈÚÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ...). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÇáãÚÇÑÝ áÇÈä ÞÊíÈÉ Õ 73.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 405.

3 - ÊÇÑíÎ ÏãÔÞ áÇÈä ÚÓÇßÑ ÊÑÌãÉ ÇáÅãÇã Úáí Ì 1 Õ 53 ÍÏíË 90.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ ááãÍÈ ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 157.

5 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 58.

6 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 251 æ 257.

therefore we conclude, that Imam Ali is the only Siddiq and only Farooq, and anyone else who claims this is a LIAR and a KAFIR.

and we know that abo bakr claimed to be siddiq, and omar claimed to be farooq.

lanatollah on those who claimed to be siddiq and farooq, and on all their damned supporters who harmed Sayeda Fatima.

Edited by SayedMurtaza

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
(bismillah)

Allah-o-Akbar. Allah is the Greatest.

Ya Allah Madad.

oh! really u dont hav a habbit of giving refference

where did he (ra) say this?????????

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib (ra) said

A transmitter(Ravi) Ibrahim Nakhahi says that Al-qama struck his hand on the mimbar of a Masjid in Kufa and said on this very mimbar i heard Hazrat Ali bin Abu Talib (ra) in his Khutba(sermon) Saying,

"khar un naas kaana bahda Rasool Allah S.A.W.W. Abu Bakr sum Umar"

The Best Person After Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. is Abu Bakr (ra) then Umar (ra) .

Masnad e Ahmad

Hazrat Umar Farooq (ra)

Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. prayed for him

“O Allah! Glorify Your faith by (the reversion of) `Umar .”

Abdullah ibn Mas`ud said, “`Umar’s (ra) submission to Islam was a fath (victory), his migration was a victory, his imamate was a blessing, and I have seen when we were unable to pray at the House (the Ka`bah) until he submitted to Islam.”

Also, the comment of `Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) on the migration of `Umar (ra) has to be written by letters of light on the pages of history:

I never knew anyone migrated unless secretly except `Umar (ra) , for he, when he resolved on migration, girt on his sword and slung over his bow and grasped in his hand its arrows, and went to the Ka`bah where in its quadrangle were the chiefs of the Quraysh, and he went round about it seven times, then prayed two rak`ahs at the Station of Ibrahim, and went to each, one by one, in their circles and said, “May the faces be foul! If anyone desires that his mother be bereaved of him and his child be left an orphan and his wife a widow, and if there be such a one, let him meet me behind this valley.” But no one followed him.

from http://www.islamonline.net/English/NewHijr...s/1426/01.shtml

From http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/OMAR3.HTM

The Title of Farooq

The coming over of Omar made a difference for Islam. Hitherto, the Muslims had lived in constant fear of the non-believers. Some of them had not even made their faith known to the people. They could not say their prayers publicly. All this changed when Omar became a Muslim.

The first thing Omar did was to call together the chiefs of Mecca. Before this gathering he declared himself a follower of Islam. They started at him in silence. No one had the courage to utter a word of reproach.

Omar next requested the Holy Prophet to say prayers in the Kaaba. He himself led a party of Muslims to that place. A second party was led by Hamza. When all had gathered, they said their prayers in congregation. The Holy Prophet led the prayer. This was the first prayer of its kind said in the Kaaba.

When migration to Medina started, the same thing happend again. Most of the Muslims left Mecca silently and secretly. But Omar would not do so. He put on his arms. Then he went to the Kaaba and said his prayer. The chiefs of Mecca looked at him in silence. After the prayer, he shouted out to them, "I am leaving for Medina. If anyone wants to stop me let him meet me across the valley. His mother shall certainly have to weep for him in sorrow."

Despite this challenge, no Meccan would dare to stop Omar. These things earned for Omar the title of Farooq. Farooq is the one who makes a difference. Omar's acceptance of Islam had made a big difference for Islam and Muslims

And Allah Knows the Best

You did not understand my question,my question was;

Who gave Umar the name al farook?

Do you have a hadith Sahih that rasolallah called him so???

let me explain it for you, for example; usama narrated from ahmet,ahmet narreted it from... and ... narrated it from ali and ali said that he heard rasulallah saying that....

can u give me please a single hadith sahih that rasulallah called him al farook?

that was my question...next try.

Edited by thulfikar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Abo Dharr said: Rasulullah took the hand of Imam Ali, and the Rasulullah said:

"Here is the first who beleived in me, and the first who will shake hands with me in the day of judgement, and he is the bigger Siddiq and the Farooq of this umma, who splits between Haqq and Baatil, and he is the Yaasoob of the Momineen, and the worldy money is the yasoob of the munafiqeen."

reference:

Úä ÃÈí ÐÑ æÓáãÇä ÞÇáÇ: ÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå ÈíÏ Úáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ¡ ÝÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ): (åÐÇ Ãæá ãä Âãä Èí. æåÐÇ Ãæá ãä íÕÇÝÍäí íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ æåÐÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æåÐÇ ÝÇÑæÞ åÐå ÇáÃãÉ íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá¡ æåÐÇ íÚÓæÈ ÇáãÄãäíä¡ æÇáãÇá íÚÓæÈ ÇáãäÇÝÞíä). ÑæÇå ÛíÑ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑåã:

1 - ÇáÔæßÇäí Ýí ÏÑ ÇáÓÍÇÈÉ Õ 205¡ æÞÇá: ÃÎÑÌå ÇáØÈÑÇäí Ýí ÇáßÈíÑ ÈÅÓäÇÏ ÑÌÇáå ËÞÇÊ.

2 - ÇáãÊÞí Ýí ßäÒ ÇáÚãÇá Ì 11 Õ 616 ØÈÚ ÍáÈ¡ ÑæÇå Úä ÍÐíÝÉ.

Imam Ali said: "I am Abdullah, and the brother of Rasulullah, and I am the bigger Siddiq, he who claims this to himself after me is a damned liar"

reference:

ËÇäíÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå æÃÎæ ÑÓæáå æÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ áÇ íÞæáåÇ ÈÚÏí ÅáÇ ßÐÇÈ ãÝÊÑ¡ áÞÏ ÕáíÊ ÞÈá ÇáäÇÓ ÓÈÚ Óäíä). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí ÇáãÕÇÏÑ ÇáÊÇáíÉ ÚÏÇ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑå:

1 - ÇáßÇãá áÇÈä ÇáÃËíÑ Ì 2 Õ 22.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 394.

3 - ØÈÞÇÊ ÇáÔÚÑÇäí Ì 2 Õ 55.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 158 æ 167.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 257.

6 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 60.

7 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 49.

Ibn Abbas and Abu Dharr said: we heard Rasulullah say to Ali:

"You are the bigger Siddiq and you are the Farooq who splits between Haqq and Baatil."

reference:

ËÇáËÇ: Úä ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æÃÈí ÐÑ¡ ÞÇáÇ ÓãÚäÇ ÑÓæá Çááå íÞæá áÚáí: (ÃäÊ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æÃäÊ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ ÇáÐí íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÔãÓ ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ááÞÑÔí Õ 35.

2 - ÇáãæÇÞÝ ááÞÇÖí ÇáÅíÌí Ì 3 Õ 276.

3 - äÒåÉ ÇáãÌÇáÓ ááÕÝæÑí Ì 2 Õ 205.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155¡ æÝí ØÈÚÉ ÃÎÑì ÈÇáÞÇåÑÉ Ì 3 Õ 136.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 276.

6 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 24.

Imam Ali said: "I am the bigger Siddiq.."

reference:

ÑÇÈÚÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ...). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÇáãÚÇÑÝ áÇÈä ÞÊíÈÉ Õ 73.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 405.

3 - ÊÇÑíÎ ÏãÔÞ áÇÈä ÚÓÇßÑ ÊÑÌãÉ ÇáÅãÇã Úáí Ì 1 Õ 53 ÍÏíË 90.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ ááãÍÈ ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 157.

5 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 58.

6 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 251 æ 257.

therefore we conclude, that Imam Ali is the only Siddiq and only Farooq, and anyone else who claims this is a LIAR and a KAFIR.

and we know that abo bakr claimed to be siddiq, and omar claimed to be farooq.

lanatollah on those who claimed to be siddiq and farooq, and on all their damned supporters who harmed Sayeda Fatima.

Good work Br. to get those Refernces..

curses be on those who claimed to be siddiq and Farooq but in reality were Liars and Kafirs.

Wassalam

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"...... After the Muslims had prayed in the Ka’bah openly, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him) conferred on Umar the title of “Al-Faruq,†for on that day through the efforts of Umar, the truth of Islam had become manifest."

Narrated in Musnad Ahmed (pg 573, chapter 110)

also in Sunnan An Nisai and Sunnan at tirmidhi.

Go open a book.

salaam al min attabiIl Huda

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(salam)

Yaa Ali Madad haq hai

Muawiya pey lanat beyshumar

Abo Dharr said: Rasulullah took the hand of Imam Ali, and the Rasulullah said:

"Here is the first who beleived in me, and the first who will shake hands with me in the day of judgement, and he is the bigger Siddiq and the Farooq of this umma, who splits between Haqq and Baatil, and he is the Yaasoob of the Momineen, and the worldy money is the yasoob of the munafiqeen."

reference:

Úä ÃÈí ÐÑ æÓáãÇä ÞÇáÇ: ÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå ÈíÏ Úáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ¡ ÝÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ): (åÐÇ Ãæá ãä Âãä Èí. æåÐÇ Ãæá ãä íÕÇÝÍäí íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ æåÐÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æåÐÇ ÝÇÑæÞ åÐå ÇáÃãÉ íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá¡ æåÐÇ íÚÓæÈ ÇáãÄãäíä¡ æÇáãÇá íÚÓæÈ ÇáãäÇÝÞíä). ÑæÇå ÛíÑ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑåã:

1 - ÇáÔæßÇäí Ýí ÏÑ ÇáÓÍÇÈÉ Õ 205¡ æÞÇá: ÃÎÑÌå ÇáØÈÑÇäí Ýí ÇáßÈíÑ ÈÅÓäÇÏ ÑÌÇáå ËÞÇÊ.

2 - ÇáãÊÞí Ýí ßäÒ ÇáÚãÇá Ì 11 Õ 616 ØÈÚ ÍáÈ¡ ÑæÇå Úä ÍÐíÝÉ.

Imam Ali said: "I am Abdullah, and the brother of Rasulullah, and I am the bigger Siddiq, he who claims this to himself after me is a damned liar"

reference:

ËÇäíÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå æÃÎæ ÑÓæáå æÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ áÇ íÞæáåÇ ÈÚÏí ÅáÇ ßÐÇÈ ãÝÊÑ¡ áÞÏ ÕáíÊ ÞÈá ÇáäÇÓ ÓÈÚ Óäíä). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí ÇáãÕÇÏÑ ÇáÊÇáíÉ ÚÏÇ ãä ÊÞÏã ÐßÑå:

1 - ÇáßÇãá áÇÈä ÇáÃËíÑ Ì 2 Õ 22.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 394.

3 - ØÈÞÇÊ ÇáÔÚÑÇäí Ì 2 Õ 55.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 158 æ 167.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 257.

6 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 60.

7 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 49.

Ibn Abbas and Abu Dharr said: we heard Rasulullah say to Ali:

"You are the bigger Siddiq and you are the Farooq who splits between Haqq and Baatil."

reference:

ËÇáËÇ: Úä ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æÃÈí ÐÑ¡ ÞÇáÇ ÓãÚäÇ ÑÓæá Çááå íÞæá áÚáí: (ÃäÊ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ æÃäÊ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ ÇáÐí íÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÔãÓ ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ááÞÑÔí Õ 35.

2 - ÇáãæÇÞÝ ááÞÇÖí ÇáÅíÌí Ì 3 Õ 276.

3 - äÒåÉ ÇáãÌÇáÓ ááÕÝæÑí Ì 2 Õ 205.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ áãÍÈ ÇáÏíä ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155¡ æÝí ØÈÚÉ ÃÎÑì ÈÇáÞÇåÑÉ Ì 3 Õ 136.

5 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 276.

6 - ÝÑÇÆÏ ÇáÓãØíä ááÍãæíäí ÐßÑå Ýí ÇáÈÇÈ 24.

Imam Ali said: "I am the bigger Siddiq.."

reference:

ÑÇÈÚÇ: ÞÇá Úáí (Ú): (ÃäÇ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ...). ÑÇÌÚå Ýí:

1 - ÇáãÚÇÑÝ áÇÈä ÞÊíÈÉ Õ 73.

2 - ÌãÚ ÇáÌæÇãÚ ááÓíæØí ßãÇ Ýí ÊÑÊíÈå Ì 6 Õ 405.

3 - ÊÇÑíÎ ÏãÔÞ áÇÈä ÚÓÇßÑ ÊÑÌãÉ ÇáÅãÇã Úáí Ì 1 Õ 53 ÍÏíË 90.

4 - ÇáÑíÇÖ ÇáäÖÑÉ ááãÍÈ ÇáØÈÑí Ì 2 Õ 155 æ 157.

5 - ÐÎÇÆÑ ÇáÚÞÈì Õ 58.

6 - ÔÑÍ ÇáäåÌ áÇÈä ÃÈí ÇáÍÏíÏ Ì 3 Õ 251 æ 257.

therefore we conclude, that Imam Ali is the only Siddiq and only Farooq, and anyone else who claims this is a LIAR and a KAFIR.

and we know that abo bakr claimed to be siddiq, and omar claimed to be farooq.

lanatollah on those who claimed to be siddiq and farooq, and on all their damned supporters who harmed Sayeda Fatima.

Jazakallah brother

excellent post and that too with refrences in arabic

Yes all agree that that Imam Ali is the only Siddiq and only Farooq !!

Thanx for giving the sources

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad haq hai ha qhai haq hai

Hussainyet Zindabad

yazeediyet +his so called father lanti muawiya +his so called father lanti abu sufyan murdabad

Firoz Ali

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"...... After the Muslims had prayed in the Ka’bah openly, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him) conferred on Umar the title of “Al-Faruq,†for on that day through the efforts of Umar, the truth of Islam had become manifest."

Narrated in Musnad Ahmed (pg 573, chapter 110)

also in Sunnan An Nisai and Sunnan at tirmidhi.

Go open a book.

salaam al min attabiIl Huda

Where is the chain of narrators? Who labeled this hadith as Sahih?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"...... After the Muslims had prayed in the Ka’bah openly, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him) conferred on Umar the title of “Al-Faruq,†for on that day through the efforts of Umar, the truth of Islam had become manifest."

Narrated in Musnad Ahmed (pg 573, chapter 110)

also in Sunnan An Nisai and Sunnan at tirmidhi.

Go open a book.

salaam al min attabiIl Huda

(bismillah)

(salam)

After ahlul sunnah missed to show us one hadith sahih that rasulallah (sa.) called umar "al-farook" I will help them a little bit;

Al Tabakat al Kubra - Muhamed bin Sa3d

ãÍãÏ Èä ÓÚÏ - ÇáØÈÞÇÊ ÇáßÈÑì - ÇáÌÒÁ ( 3 ) - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 270 )

3502 - ÞÇá ÃÎÈÑäÇ íÚÞæÈ Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÓÚÏ Úä ÃÈíå Úä ÕÇáÍ Èä ßíÓÇä ÞÇá ÞÇá Èä ÔåÇÈ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä Ãåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ßÇäæÇ Ãæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ æßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä íÃËÑæä Ðáß ãä Þæáåã æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ) ÐßÑ ãä Ðáß ÔíÆÇ æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä Èä ÚãÑ ÞÇá Ðáß ÅáÇ áÚãÑ ßÇä ÝíãÇ íÐßÑ ãä ãäÇÞÈ ÚãÑ ÇáÕÇáÍÉ æíËäí Úáíå ÞÇá æÞÏ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÚãÑ ßÇä íÞæá ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ) Çááåã ÃíÏ Ïíäß ÈÚãÑ Èä ÇáÎØÇÈ.

"Ahlul Kitab (the Jews & Christians) were the first who called Umar "alfarook" .....and nothing reach us from Rasulallah (sa.) that he called him so"

or read Tarikh Al Madineh

ÅÈä ÔÈÉ ÇáäãíÑí - ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáãÏíäÉ - ÊÓãíÉ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ

999 - ÞÇá : ÃóÎÈÑäÇ íÚÞæÈ Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÓÚÏ ¡ Úä ÃóÈíå ¡ Úä ÕÇáÍ Èä ßíÓÇä ÞÇá : ÞÇá ÅÈä ÔåÇÈ : ÈáÛäÇ Ãóä Ãóåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ¡ ßÇäæÇ Ãóæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ ¡ æßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä íÄËÑæä Ðáß ãä Þæáåã ¡ æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãóä ÑÓæá Çááøå (Õ) ÐßÑ ãä Ðáß ÔíÆÇ ¡ æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãóä ÅÈä ÚãÑ ÞÇá Ðáß ÅáÇ áÚãÑ ¡ ßÇä ÝíãÇ íÐßÑ ãä ãäÇÞÈ ÚãÑ ÇáÕÇáÍÉ æíËäí Úáíå ÞÇá : æÞÏ ÈáÛäÇ Ãóä ÚÈÏ Çááøå Èä ÚãÑ ßÇä íÞæá : ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááøå (Õ) : Çááåã ÃóíÏ Ïíäß ÈÚãÑ Èä ÇáÎØÇÈ.

Ahlul Kitab were the first who called Umar "alfarook"....and nothing reach us from Rasulallah (sa.) that he called him so.

Or ibin Athir;

ÅÈä ÇáÃËíÑ - ÃÓÏ ÇáÛÇÈÉ - ÇáÌÒÁ ( 4 ) - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 57 )

æÞÇá ÅÈä ÔåÇÈ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä Ãåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ßÇäæÇ Ãæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ

the same as above.

http://www.al-eman.com/Islamlib/viewchp.as...;SW=ÇáÝÇÑæÞ#SR1

Or in al Tabari;

ÇáØÈÑí - ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáØÈÑí - ÇáÌÒÁ ( 3 ) - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 267 )

- ÞÇá ãäåã ÚãÑ Èä ÇáÎØÇÈ Èä äÝíá Èä ÚÈÏ ÇáÚÒì Èä ÑíÇÍ Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÞÑØ Èä ÑÒÇÍ Èä ÚÏí Èä ßÚÈ æßÇä íßäì ÃÈÇ ÍÝÕ ¡ ÞÇá ÅÈä ÓÚÏ ÃÎÈÑäÇ íÚÞæÈ ÅÈä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÓÚÏ Úä ÃÈíå Úä ÕÇáÍ Èä ßíÓÇä ÞÇá ÞÇá ÅÈä ÔåÇÈ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä Ãåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ßÇäæÇ Ãæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ æßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä íÃËÑæä Ðáß ãä Þæáåã æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ) ÐßÑ ãä Ðáß ÔíÆÇ ÞÇá ÅÈä ÚãÑ ÍÏËäí ÃÈæ ÈßÑ Èä ÅÓãÇÚíá Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÓÚÏ Úä ÃÈíå ÞÇá ØÚä ÚãÑ íæã ÇáÃÑÈÚÇÁ áÃÑÈÚ áíÇá ÈÞíä ãä Ðí ÇáÍÌÉ ÓäÉ 23 æÏÝä íæã ÇáÃÍÏ ÕÈÇÍ åáÇá ÇáãÍÑã ÓäÉ 24 ( ÞÇá æããä ÊæÝì ÓäÉ 32 ãä ÇáåÌÑÉ ).

Ahlul kitab were the first who called him so.

And here al Tabari in his other book `tarikh al tabari`;

ÇáØÈÑí - ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáØÈÑí - ÇáÌÒÁ ( 3 ) - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 267 )

ÍÏËäÇ ÇáÍÇÑË ÞÇá ÍÏËäÇ ÅÈä ÓÚÏ ÞÇá ÃÎÈÑäÇ íÚÞæÈ Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÓÚÏ Úä ÃÈíå Úä ÕÇáÍ Èä ßíÓÇä ÞÇá ÞÇá ÅÈä ÔåÇÈ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä Ãåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ßÇäæÇ Ãæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ æßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä íÃËÑæä Ðáß ãä Þæáåã æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ) ÐßÑ ãä Ðáß ÔíÆÇ ÐßÑ ÕÝÊå.

No need to comment.

Please read also Ibin 3asakir in his book "tarikh medinet dimashq"

ÅÈä ÚÓÇßÑ - ÊÇÑíÎ ãÏíäÉ ÏãÔÞ - ÇáÌÒÁ ( 44 ) - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 51 )

ÞÇá æÃäÇ ÅÈä ÓÚÏ ÃäÇ íÚÞæÈ Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÓÚÏ Úä ÃÈíå Úä ÕÇáÍ Èä ßíÓÇä ÞÇá ÞÇá ÅÈä ÔåÇÈ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä Ãåá ÇáßÊÇÈ ßÇäæÇ Ãæá ãä ÞÇá áÚãÑ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ æßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä íÃËÑæä Ðáß ãä Þæáåã æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå ( (Õ) ) ÐßÑ ãä Ðáß ÔíÆÇ æáã íÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÅÈä ÚãÑ ÞÇá Ðáß ÅáÇ áÚãÑ ßÇä ÝíãÇ íÐßÑ ãä ãäÇÞÈ ÚãÑ ÇáÕÇáÍÉ æíËäí Úáíå ÈåÇ ÞÇá æÞÏ ÈáÛäÇ Ãä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÚãÑ ßÇä íÞæá ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå ( (Õ) ) Çááåã ÃíÏ Ïíäß ÈÚãÑ Èä ÇáÎØÇÈ .

Ahlul Kitab were the first who called Umar "alfarook"....and nothing reach us from Rasulallah (sa.) that he called him so.

So after no one from ahlul sunnah cant show us one single hadith sahih from rasullah that He(sa.)called umar "alfarook" your own books exposed you.

We learn from your books that the jews and christians were the ones who called him so first,and not rasulallah (sa.).

in contrast to this, look here; > al-tabari <

ÇáØÈÑí - ÈÔÇÑÉ ÇáãÕØÝì - ÑÞã ÇáÕÝÍÉ : ( 139 ¡ 165¡ 172 ¡ 241 ¡ 327 )

- Úä ÃÈí ÐÑ ( Ñ ) Çäå ÓãÚ ÑÓæá Çááå (Õ) íÞæá áÚáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ (Ú) : ÃäÊ Ãæá ãä Âãä Èí ¡ æÃäÊ Ãæá ãä íÕÇÝÍäí íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ ¡ æÃäÊ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÇáÃßÈÑ ¡ æÃäÊ ÇáÝÇÑæÞ ÇáÐí ÊÝÑÞ Èíä ÇáÍÞ æÇáÈÇØá ¡ æÃäÊ íÚÓæÈ ÇáãÄãäíä æÇáãÇá íÚÓæÈ ÇáãäÇÝÞíä .

Ali(a.s) is al Farook.according to your books....it`s obvious that you steal this title from ali (a.s.), nothing more to say,

va alaykum assalam

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Where is the chain of narrators? Who labeled this hadith as Sahih?

go open the books and see. =)

You asked for a source i gave you three.

As for your other sources, whats the point of going into history books when you havnt even thoroughly researched our actual hadith books?

Al Tabakat al Kubra - Muhamed bin Sa3d - anyone ever hear of this book?

Tarikh Al Madineh - history book hah! One which i've never even heard of until now

tarikh medinet dimashq - again a history book.

al-tabari - a book in which the author himself stated that he choose whatever saying he found without checking any of the chains. A book that which many ahlus sunnah scholars declare mostly fabricated.. You can do better..

Go spend time hitting yourself, muharram is arriving...

salam ala min attabiIl Huda

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

(salam)

go open the books and see. =)

You asked for a source i gave you three.

i asked you for a deliyl,you did not give any delyl..but you said that here and there are such a hadith without to prove if this hadith is sahih.

Second ya jahil,in the next time you should read the posts carefully before you answer

anything. my questions was;

read my post Nr. 17 i wrote;

"Do you have a hadith Sahih that rasolallah called him so???

let me explain it for you, for example; usama narrated from ahmet,ahmet narreted it from... and ... narrated it from ali and ali said that he heard rasulallah saying that...."

and the hadith you stated is;

"...... After the Muslims had prayed in the Ka’bah openly, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him) conferred on Umar the title of “Al-Faruq,†for on that day through the efforts of Umar, the truth of Islam had become manifest."

as you can see this is not a hadith directly from the prophet(sa.),this just a saying from a sahabi,that once the prophet called him so. Sorry but this is very weak.

As for your other sources, whats the point of going into history books when you havnt even thoroughly researched our actual hadith books?

firstly after i can`t find one single hadith sahih in your hadith books directly from rasolallah that he (sa.) called him so,you should just take a look in your classical history books.

and if anyone want to learn the islamic history he should read the islamic history books,and it is a historic fact that the jews and the christians called him so.

Al Tabakat al Kubra - Muhamed bin Sa3d - anyone ever hear of this book?

lol .....you dont even know your own history books...subhanallah.

Tarikh Al Madineh - history book hah! One which i've never even heard of until now

so don`t miss this forum and you will learn a lot about your classical history books.

tarikh medinet dimashq - again a history book

and whats the problem,isn`t a history book,a book where you can learn from???

al-tabari - a book in which the author himself stated that he choose whatever saying he found without checking any of the chains. A book that which many ahlus sunnah scholars declare mostly fabricated.. You can do better..

your daliyl is???

va assalamu 3ala men attabi3a HAYDAR AL KARRAR

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So at end of this whole topic what does this do to increase anyone faith or make salat more anything that will help ummah. Also I thought people called one the imans Siddiq did he also state in a hadith that Prophet named Abu Bakr Siddiq and woe to anyone who says different.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad haq hai haq hai haq hai

muawiya pey lanat

..

Go spend time hitting yourself, muharram is arriving...

A typical munafiq response from T4A

The Shias hit themselves on the matyrdom of Imam Hussain A.S and his family and yazeedies /wahabis/salafis/munafiqs feel the pain

This is te Miracle of Imam Hussain A.S

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad

Hussainyet Zindabad

Yazeediyet +his so called fathe lanti muawiya+his so called father lanti abu sufyan murdabad

Firoz Ali

Edited by Firoz Ali

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad haq hai haq hai haq hai

muawiya pey lanat

A typical munafiq response from T4A

The Shias hit themselves on the matyredom of Imam Hussain A.S and his family and

sunnis /wahabis/salafis/munafiqs feel the pain

This is te Miracle of Imam Hussain A.S

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad

Hussainyet Zindabad

Yazeediyet +his so called fathe lanti muawiya+his so called father lanti abu sufyan murdabad

Firoz Ali

al hamdulilah!

Madad Ya Hossein

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

jalal, the hadith I think your are referring to has been refuted (found posts here saying it's downright fabricated, backed by scholars). Also, look at the epithets of Bibi Fatima (as) (Al-Siddiqah) and Ali (as) quoted in this, and similar threads (to refresh your memory post #15 in this thread) and not to mention that Prophet (pbuh) stated that Ali (as) is with the truth and the truth is with Ali (as)... and yet Abu Bakr sided against them both

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok so how does this make me a better muslim at end of day I because whatever either party has done is between Allah and them . I ask because I have found that alot of what is shia and sunni is just from old bad blood and in some place cutural. So how does any of this make me a better muslim ? Which should be everyones goal inshAllah not just sit on line talk and trying to prove we are smater than next.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

it's important if people are giving undue or exaggerated respect to people based on titles (like caliph, sahaba, etc.) and not due to actual, genuine merit. Our prophets (as) and imams (as) are that (prophets and imams) based on MERIT, not some title they made up or is narrated they have, but their merits and their deeds. our Islam is better for following them, and worse for following those not worthy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ok so how does this make me a better muslim at end of day I because whatever either party has done is between Allah and them . I ask because I have found that alot of what is shia and sunni is just from old bad blood and in some place cutural. So how does any of this make me a better muslim ? Which should be everyones goal inshAllah not just sit on line talk and trying to prove we are smater than next.

so quit supporting and praising abo bakr and omar, who were apparently liars.

a real muslim will praise Prophet Mohammad and Imam Ali, who deserve greatest praise

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He is called Imam Jaafar al Saadiq (which means honest)

Saadiq is different in meaning than Siddiq..

but in any case, Imam Jaafar al Saadiq has inherited all the knowledge and wisdom and greatness of his grandfather Ameeril Momineen Ali.

salam Allah alayhim

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...