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Prayer Times? Q To Shia And Sunni

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(bismillah)

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A question to shias is is combiningg and seperating prayers really different? to me its the same...

From another thread a brother replied and said:

Now the best time for Zohr prayer is Dolook Shams i-e When sun reaches highest point in sky and starts decending. And according to Imam Reza a.s, there is no known/distinguishable time for Asr. So it is right after the Zohr prayer. (Oyoon Akhbar Al-Redha #2 page 110). This is also mentioned in Al-Kafi Vol 3 p76 that 'Dolook shams' is time for Zohr & Asr prayer except Zohr has to be before Asr.

So the earliest time for Asr prayer is after the noon (Zohr) prayer. The earliest time one can pray is what God desired and the latest time is what God forgives. And God forgives if one has committed a sin. (Wasaael Al-Shia , Vol 4, P 123). And also the advantage of Early time of prayer versus last time of prayer is the advantage of hereafter to this world ( Kafi, Vol 3, P274).

Is this really correct? So according to shia there is no known time for Asr then? Its just straight after zohr?

So then basicly its basicly impossible to seperate prayers since its righ after another, and if u finished zohr u should do asr straight away since reading prayer closer to its time is better then delaying it...

Is this the view of all scholars ? if not whcih what is the time for asr and maghrib and according to whcih mujtehid?

And a question to sunnis. How do you define asr and isha time in the 4 schools of thought. And have you got a hadith to back it up?

Jazakallah

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(bismillah)

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A question to shias is is combiningg and seperating prayers really different? to me its the same...

From another thread a brother replied and said:

Is this really correct? So according to shia there is no known time for Asr then? Its just straight after zohr?

So then basicly its basicly impossible to seperate prayers since its righ after another, and if u finished zohr u should do asr straight away since reading prayer closer to its time is better then delaying it...

Is this the view of all scholars ? if not whcih what is the time for asr and maghrib and according to whcih mujtehid?

And a question to sunnis. How do you define asr and isha time in the 4 schools of thought. And have you got a hadith to back it up?

Jazakallah

Salam alikom

I again asking you all muslims to stop calling yourselves shia and sunna

lets all be muslim only we are ordered to be muslimeen and not sunna or shia ....

Unify between Sunna and Shia will give all the Ummah a big strength and eliminate the plots against muslims by those americans and israeli ...

as for praying ... Man I suggest that everyone pray as he wish as long as he is doing the 5 times praying ...

and praying its something between you and god

( Allah KNows the best ) but my sensation tells me that god inshallah will accept the both ways from both sector ( see we did seperate ourselves to sector ! )

may Allah Unify all shia and sunna together amen .

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thanks for your reply...

Its a fact that there are differences amongst prayer between shia and sunni and different of opinions. I do not disrespect the sunnis, i accept them as brothers and sisters in islam...

We are all muslims..

Prayer is very important and one should know everything about it, even its time, which is very important too, since if prayed on the wrong time its not accepted...

At the moment i want to know the right time, according to shia and sunni and to which HADITH (proof) they refer to.

I stick to what quran says : bring proof if you are truthfull..

Unity is what we need, and accept that eventhough shia and sunni have their difference were still muslims.

Shia is what we all are, since we are all followers of islam. And sunnah is what we should be folowing (of prophet Muhammad (saw)... So hence we are alike..

anyways back to the topic, someone plz answer my post 1

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bro Syed....Even the Quran testifies to only 3 specific times for salaat, concerning itself with the Fajr, Zhur and Maghrib only. Whereas Asr and Isha, the times had not been prescribed.

What Shia Marjas say is that Asr should be read as Farz and not Kaza after Zuhr and before Maghrib. Same applies to Isha, must be read after Maghrib but before midnight.

What is recommended is that Asr is prayed around an hour after Zuhr, preferably when the standing objects shadow becomes twice its size due to the suns leave.

Same applies to Isha, highly recommended to be prayed an hour after, when no light is seen in the skies and its totally dark.

Unfortunately our sunni brothers state that combining prayers is bidah and yet their own books testify against them since the Prophet on several occasions combined salaat during the following:

1. Congregational prayers

2. During Wars

3. Due to long travels

ETC

If any reader is confused with the idea of combining prayers, its basically 2 salaats read totally seperately but one after the other. For example, first reading 4 rakaat Zhur, then ending the salaaat. We usually read tasbeeh and duas and then again stand up again to read azaan to follow up the second 4 rakat salaat of Asr. Some sunnis are misinformed that shias instead of readin 2 seperate salaats, enjoin 4 rakat x2 to make 8 rakaat as one salaah. Thats incorrect and usually preached by wahabies to misinform the common folk!

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jazakallah for the reply

bro Syed....Even the Quran testifies to only 3 specific times for salaat, concerning itself with the Fajr, Zhur and Maghrib only. Whereas Asr and Isha, the times had not been prescribed.

yea and the quran doesnt say HOW the read our prayers... Im sure of the thousands haith out there, there must be a hadith saying the time of asr and maghrib, just like there are hadith how to pray nemaz...

What Shia Marjas say is that Asr should be read as Farz and not Kaza in the time frame from the time of Zuhr and before Maghrib. Same applies to Isha, must be read after Maghrib but before midnight.

Is that all marjas? does everyone say that?

What is recommended is that Asr is prayer around an hour after Zuhr, preferably when the standing objects shadow becomes twice its size due to the suns leave.

First time i heard time. According to which mujtehid?

Same applies to Isha, highly recommended to be prayed an hour after, when no light is seen in the skies and its totally dark.
again according to whom?
Unfortunately our sunni brothers state that combining prayers is bidah and yet their own books testify against them since the Prophet on several occasions combined salaat during the following:

No sunnis say its bidah, please provide proof for that... They say combined is allowed but seperate is more recomended. Also asr and isha time is known to them.

salaamz

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Salam Alaikum

Ayatullah Sistani says:

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From Minhaj-us-Saliheen.

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My questions regarding combining salaat

How many times did our Rasool combined salaat without any reason, reference please

Someone has quoted Quran, as the source of three times to offer salat, this is a shia intrepretation, if you read quran from a sunni sheikh, he says something else

Further if Allah wanted us (shia) to pray three times, it should have been clear through Quran, Hadith and sunna

Why this confusion ? 5 salat at three times (shia practice) or 5 salat at 5 different times (sunni practice)

Our prophet has combined salat 16 times according to some hadiths, to give us the flexibility to combine the salat if we really really need it, but why Shias and Sunnis are offering prayer at different times in the MOSQUES, the shia mosques are closed at the time of Asr and Isha (sunni times)

Imam Jafar e sadiq has clearly described the ways to ascertain the AWAL time of Salat, specially Asr and Isha, and according to his explanation, there is always a sizeable time difference between Zuhur and Asr and Maghrib and Isha, depending which season you are in.

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mizas

(lets work on reducing the differences between Umma)

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if you read the link I gave, it shows that combining the prayers, besides being allowable (as per sunnah of the prophet (pbuh)) it also makes life easier for those who are otherwise busy with work, school, etc.

here is the quote:

Even if it is allowed, why do it?

No one suggests that there is anything wrong with praying the individual prayers separately. Zuhr and `Asr prayers and Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers can be offered either combined or separately. However, this practice of combining the two prayers by the Prophet (s) reflects the Divine Grace of Allah (swt) for the convenience of the ummah, and there are good reasons why it has become customary amongst the Shi'ah:

People are often busy with their own affairs and have their own duties and anxieties, particularly in countries where the educational or work system is not structured to cater to the requirements for Muslims to offer their daily prayers. Some professions require long hours of continuous, uninterrupted work. Hence, for convenience, and in order to avoid missing the second of the two prayers, the Shi'ah offer their two prayers in one interval, whether early or late, during the appointed time.

Where people gather from far and wide to offer one of the two prayers and since it is permissible to combine them, they offer the two prayers one after another in congregation. This way they have both fufilled their obligations as well as participated in the congregation (jama'ah) prayers thus gaining the increased reward. Consider the example of Friday prayers. We observe that thousands of Sunni bretheren offer their Friday prayers on time but many of them fail to offer the `Asr prayers at all, let alone in congregation. On the other hand a Shi'i Muslim who offers Friday prayers will invariably perform the `Asr prayer in congregation.

The fact that this sunnah is not generally adopted by our Sunni brothers is another reason why the Shi'ah feel they must keep it alive. We would like our children and other Muslims and the posterity to know that the practice of combining the Zuhr and `Asr, and the Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers is permissible as well as from the sunnah (established practice) of the Holy Prophet (s).

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if you read the link I gave, it shows that combining the prayers, besides being allowable (as per sunnah of the prophet (pbuh)) it also makes life easier for those who are otherwise busy with work, school, etc.

here is the quote:

Dear Aliya

(salam)

Its not a question of permissibility, but a question of unity among muslim brothers, I dont know about the western world, but in muslim countries where there are no restrictions on muslims to pray, then why the shia mosques are closed at Asr and Isha time (as defined by the sunnis).

I respect that Fiqah e Jaafariye is very flexible on this issue, and has allowed us to combine prayers, when there is a need for it, but what's wrong in praying seperately in the mosque, as our sunni brothers do.

I would like to ask the members of this forum, to provide references which prove that Mohd (pbuh) and our Imams offered their salat in combination, all their lives.

Please dont give references that Mohd (pbuh) combined prayers 13 times or 16 times without any reasons. 16 times or 13 times cannot supersede the sunna of offering salat seperately all his life, if that was the case

We should try to find what history tells us, and try to bridge the gap between Umma.

If our Prophets and Imams have offered salat in combination all their lives, then we should try to convince our Sunni brothers to adopt the same, other wise we should change

Its not difficult for a shia to go to the mosques 5 times a day, as sufficiently proved by our sunni brothers, who we consider to lack Fiqahi knowledge as compared to Shia

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mizas

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jazakallah for the reply people.

First if your a shia i would appreciate you quote shia sources and not sunni (to avoid bias).

If your a sunni please quote sunni sources .

Brother Abbas you quoted Ayatullah Sistani (ra) could you please translate this.

Also people dont understand what im asking for.I dont want proof on its permissibility i want proof what time asr and isha is. I actually dont combine but i aint got a clue when asr and isha is... The reason i dont is cuz after the Fardh prayer i read the nafil prayers, and then ziyarat ashura and zikr. So that itself takes along time. And rather come back for asr prayer so it keeps me busy through the day, and dont want it over and done with.

So which mujtehid gives the time for asr and isha. so we can read it seperate. Much like the way sunnis do???

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Mizas,

If Prophet (pbuh) prayed together even once without the usual reasons (travel, fear, etc) then it's permissable ANY time, and IS the sunnah (sunnah acts are things Prophet (pbuh) said, did, or approved of). the number of times he (pbuh) did it is irrelevant, it's just as permissable if he did it once or a thousand times.

And a possible reason why the shia mosques could be closed was included in the above post, perhaps you missed it

Where people gather from far and wide to offer one of the two prayers and since it is permissible to combine them, they offer the two prayers one after another in congregation. This way they have both fufilled their obligations as well as participated in the congregation (jama'ah) prayers thus gaining the increased reward. Consider the example of Friday prayers. We observe that thousands of Sunni bretheren offer their Friday prayers on time but many of them fail to offer the `Asr prayers at all, let alone in congregation. On the other hand a Shi'i Muslim who offers Friday prayers will invariably perform the `Asr prayer in congregation.

and you very clearly missed the first line in the quoted excerpt in my previous post

No one suggests that there is anything wrong with praying the individual prayers separately.

Syed shia, check this link, or read the c&p below

http://www.al-islam.org/Organizations/Aali...k/msg00297.html

QUESTION:

The ahl-sunna usually perform their maghrib prayers earlier than us. What

about the Zuhr and Asr prayer? Can we pray at the same time as they do

i.e. is the timing stated on the prayer time sheets the time for

performance of the prayer or should we wait 12-15 mins to perform the

prayer?

ANSWER:

Bismihi Ta'ala

1. Dhuhr Time: The starting point of the "Preferred Time" (Waqtul

Fadheelah) for the noon prayer (Dhuhr/Zuhr) is from the Zawal till the

point of equal shadow. The Zawal is the point when the Sun crosses the

vertical point (i.e. at the Equator). Such that if an object is

vertically erected in the ground, its shadow begins to grow after being

minimized.

This is true for Imami and all 4 Sunni math-habs.

2. Asr Time: The starting point for the "Preferred Time" for Asr prayer

is from the end of the Dhuhr preferred time till the shadow of an object

is twice its length.

The Imami Shi'a say that the preferred time also extends, from the

beginning, to start after one finishes the Dhuhr prayer. There are other

classifications for the non-preferred times for the Maliki and Hanbali

schools.

3. Maghrib Time: The Preferred Time for the Maghrib prayer starts from

Sunset till disappearance of redness from the western horizon.

The Imami Shi'a define Sunset to be disappearance of redness from the

Eastern sky, which is an indication that the Sun has set by its

reflection on the East. Sunnis define Sunset as the disappearance of

the Sun below the horizon directly.

4. Ishaa Time: Starts from the disappearance of redness in the West to

half the night. Half the night is the mid point between Sunset and Fajr

points. While the Preferred Time is to the third of the night (Imamies,

Hanbalies and Malikies) The Imamies say that the Preferred time also

extends, from the beginning, to include an overlap with the Maghrib, once

one is finished with the Maghrib prayer.

5. Subh Time: Starts with the True Dawn (al-Fajr al-Sadiq) till Sunrise.

The Preferred Time being whilst still dark (except Hanafies: Their

Preferred time is first light.)

It appears from the above that the only slight difference is in the start

of Maghrib time due to the method of determination. All other prayers

start at the same time.

NOTE: Sometimes Ahlul Sunna do Athan I'lami (informative Athan) a little

ahead of time. This is done for the Subh prayer too, to give people

time to gather at the mosque. It is OK with us to have Athan I'lami,

however, it must occur after the prayer time is entered** (e.g. Zawal

for noon prayer.)

** al-Urawatul Wuthqa, al-Yazdi, v1, Athan Chapter.

References:

1. al-Fiqh ala al-Mathahib al-Arba'a, al-Jizairi, v1, pp 199-205.

2. Fiqh al-Sunna, Sayyid Sabiq, v1, pp 76-80.

3. al-'Urwathul Wuthqa, M. Kadhum al-Yazdi, v1, pp 386-392.

Wassalam,

Shaun Astarabadi

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ok still much answer. Sister Aliya the writer keeps on saying according to IMAMIYA. so is this classification of prayer times according to ALL shia mujtehids? Does sistani say the same?

Asr Time: The starting point for the "Preferred Time" for Asr prayer

is from the end of the Dhuhr preferred time till the shadow of an object

is twice its length.

So can someone explain this in baby language to me (lol). dont kinda understand. so is this saying we need like a couple hours break for beginning for asr (depending on which season it is)?

The Imami Shi'a say that the preferred time also extends, from the

beginning, to start after one finishes the Dhuhr prayer. There are other

classifications for the non-preferred times for the Maliki and Hanbali

schools.

Ok is this a contradiction? so asr start straight after one finishes the zohr prayer? so without a break?

Ishaa Time: Starts from the disappearance of redness in the West to

half the night. Half the night is the mid point between Sunset and Fajr

points. While the Preferred Time is to the third of the night (Imamies,

Hanbalies and Malikies) The Imamies say that the Preferred time also

extends, from the beginning, to include an overlap with the Maghrib, once

one is finished with the Maghrib prayer.

So baby language?? how long do i have to wait after magrib? roughly?

also it says isha starts while praying maghrib with an overlap???? dont understand it man..

someone explain this to me plz

again i woul dlike to have mujtehids decisions on this.... such as ayatullah sistani (ra)

jzakallah

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according to Ayatullah Seestani's Islamic laws (english, available on al-islam.org)

Time for Zuhr and Asr Prayers

737. If a stick, a pole, or anything similar to it, which acts as an indicator (shakhis) is made to stand on a level ground, its shadow will fall westwards when the sun rises in the morning, and as the sun continues to rise the shadow cast by the indicator will reduce in size. And in our cities it becomes smallest at the time of the commencement of Zuhr. And as Zuhr passes the shadow cast by the indicator turns eastwards, and as the sun moves towards west the shadow gets longer. Based on this, when the shadow is the shortest, and it begins getting longer again, it is known that Zuhr has taken place. However, in other cities like in Mecca, the shadow disappears totally, so, when it reappears it indicates Zuhr.

738. * The time for Zuhr and Asr prayers is from when the sun starts declining at midday till sunset. But, if a person intentionally offers Asr prayers earlier than Zuhr prayers, his prayer is void. However, if a person had not prayed Zuhr till the end of time, and the time left before Qadha allows only one Namaz to be prayed, he will first offer Asr prayers in time and then his Zuhr will be Qadha. And if before that time a person offers complete Asr prayers before Zuhr prayers by mistake, his prayer is valid. But as a recommended precaution, he should treat that Namaz as Zuhr and should offer 4 more Rak'ats of prayers with the intention of relieving oneself of responsibility, if any (Ala mafi zzimmah).

739. If a person begins offering Asr prayers forgetfully before Zuhr prayers and during the prayers he realises that he has committed a mistake, he should revert his Niyyat to Zuhr prayers i.e. he should intend that from now onwards till the end of the prayers, it would be Zuhr prayers. After completing the prayers, he will offer Asr prayers.

Time for Maghrib and Isha Prayers

743. The obligatory precaution is that as long as the redness in the eastern sky appearing after sunset has not passed overhead, Maghrib Namaz should not be performed.

744. * In normal circumstances, the prescribed time for Maghrib and Isha prayers is till midnight. But if forgetfulness, oversleeping or being in Hayz and similar unusual situations prevent one from performing the prayers till midnight, then for them the time will continue till Fajr sets in. In all the cases, Maghrib must be prayed before Isha, and if one contradicts their sequence purposely or knowingly, the Namaz will be void. However, if the time left over is just enough for Isha prayers to be offered within time, then Isha will precede Maghrib prayers.

745. * If a person offers Isha prayers before Maghrib prayers by mistake and takes notice of this after completing the prayers, his prayers will be valid, and then he should offer Maghrib prayers after it.

746. * If a person begins Isha prayers by mistake before Maghrib prayers and realises during the prayers that he has made an error, and if he has not yet gone into Ruku of the 4th Rak'at he should turn his Niyyat to Maghrib prayers and complete the prayers. Thereafter he will offer Isha prayers. However, if he has entered Ruku of the 4th Rak'at he can continue to complete the Isha prayers and thereafter pray Maghrib.

747. * In normal circumstances, the end of the time for Isha prayers is midnight; and the night will be calculated from dawn (Subh-e-Sadiq).

748. * If a person in normal circumstances does not offer Maghrib or Isha prayers till after midnight, he should, as an obligatory precaution, offer the prayers in question before the dawn prayers, without making a Niyyat of Ada (i.e. in time) or Qadha (i.e. after the lapse of time).

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It's NOT impossible! Indeed, one can pray them separately, just delay the time you pray asr or isha. You can pray Zohr or Maghrib, then wait however long (as long as time doesn't lapse) to do Asr or Isha. NO ONE is saying you CANNOT separate prayers. But Allah (SWT) has made our religion EASY for us, and we can pray them together if we so choose, as a matter of convenience. Why make an issue out of this? Since it's permissable, if people want to pray in mosques that pray them one right after the other, then do so. If they want to pray in mosques that separate them, they can also do so. There is no way of saying "THIS is the ONLY right way" when Prophet's (pbuh) sunnah shows that BOTH are acceptable and permissable.

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but the thing is , as you noticed in my first post, ive quoted a brother which he posted regarding this...

Your saying asr for example is straight after zohr. So if one wishes to read it seperate he can read it any time after zohr .. rite?

ok one problem. IF asr is right after zohr then , that would be the BEST time to read, since more reward is in it. If one wishes to delay it and read it later then its reward is less then when one who read it straight at the start.. ive posted this in my first post. with the hadith...

so basicly if thats the case, everyone should combine it all the time. and combining is more mustahab isnt? since u get more reward?

however i thought that both are same in reward?

Interesting that ayatullah fadhlullah says reading seperate is more mustahab. Ive emailed him to explain in detail and to say what time asr and isha is according to him...

There must be a proper asr and isha time instead of the weird ''straight after zohr and maghrib''...

That would indicate combining is no different then seperating it...

w.salaam

why has this been moved? i wanted sunnis to participate in this? as i said in the thread...

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No sunnis say its bidah, please provide proof for that... They say combined is allowed but seperate is more recomended. Also asr and isha time is known to them.

Bro your other questions were answered by other members. About the above statement, I agree partly.

The difference between shia and sunni, well by the majority, is that Sunnis do consider combining prayers as bidah unless one has been on long travels or was unable to make appropriate time to make his salaah on time. Where as we shia combine the prayer regularly regardless of travels, etc.

If you disagree with this statement, then i suggest you ask several sunni brothers and hear it from them yourself.

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When you have finished As-Salat (the prayer - congregational), remember Allah standing, sitting down, and lying down on your sides, but when you are free from danger, perform As-Salat (Iqamat­as­ Salat). Verily, the prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours.

(4:103)

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salaamz.

jazakallah for the reply and try help me understand this topic i have started.

first of all..

just read the link i gave, its easy enough to understand.

well... i dont know how many times i have to say this but.... I dont want to have text to show its legitimacy but i want proof on what time asr and isha is. I have read the link you have posted but cant see it being relevant to what ive asked. Ive asked for shia proof, bot shiism in sunnissm. and i wanna know the time of asr and isha not proof saying it legitimate...

Sunni do say its allowed but not highly recomended. But they say if one wishes to combine he has to do it like this. read zohr 10 minutes before its end, then by the time he finishes zohr asr allready started and he may do asr. Thats combined in the eyes of the sunni. So atleast they know the time of ASR. Thats what i want to know...

If you disagree with this statement, then i suggest you ask several sunni brothers and hear it from them yourself

i allready done say. but i didnt ask ANY lay sunni, but i asked the sheiks and maulanas...

again, either you sunni, shia, wahabis - this link is good in understanding about combining namaz. the link is from the book shiism in sunnism.

this book is only usefull to proove its legitimacy but it doesnt answer my question on HOW TO READ IT SEPERATE and what TIME IS ASR AND ISHA?

salaamz

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:dry: sigh.

This is a sunni calculation of the prayer timings.

Im a shia. Jaferi. Ahlul bayt follower. Sistani.Dont know how to be more precise. lol.

Can i have the shia time of asr and isha, so i can read it seperate.

plz someone help me out here. cant be that hard init...

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:dry: sigh.

This is a sunni calculation of the prayer timings.

Im a shia. Jaferi. Ahlul bayt follower. Sistani.Dont know how to be more precise. lol.

Can i have the shia time of asr and isha, so i can read it seperate.

plz someone help me out here. cant be that hard init...

Yes i know this is sunni calculations.

But if you want to separate Maghrib and Isha or Zohr and Asr then Sunni timings for Asr and Isha are valid.

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??? rite, does not make any sense whatsoever...

So basicly according to shia fique then. Theres no known time for asr and isha? we can just pray zohr&asr in nooon, magrib&isha in the evening...

and with asr and isha it can be read any time so long

-asr does not be read after sunset

-isha be read after midnite.

rite..?

so basicly then theres no difference in combining and seperating prayers.

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??? rite, does not make any sense whatsoever...

So basicly according to shia fique then. Theres no known time for asr and isha? we can just pray zohr&asr in nooon, magrib&isha in the evening...

and with asr and isha it can be read any time so long

-asr does not be read after sunset

-isha be read after midnite.

rite..?

In Shia fiqh, starting and ending time for Zuhr & Asr is same but the preferred time for the Asr prayer is different from the starting time of Asr.

This is the better explanation :

1. Dhuhr Time: The starting point of the "Preferred Time" (Waqtul

Fadheelah) for the noon prayer (Dhuhr/Zuhr) is from the Zawal till the

point of equal shadow. The Zawal is the point when the Sun crosses the

vertical point (i.e. at the Equator). Such that if an object is

vertically erected in the ground, its shadow begins to grow after being

minimized.

This is true for Imami and all 4 Sunni math-habs.

2. Asr Time: The starting point for the "Preferred Time" for Asr prayer

is from the end of the Dhuhr preferred time till the shadow of an object

is twice its length.

The Imami Shi'a say that the preferred time also extends, from the

beginning, to start after one finishes the Dhuhr prayer. There are other

classifications for the non-preferred times for the Maliki and Hanbali

schools.

3. Maghrib Time: The Preferred Time for the Maghrib prayer starts from

Sunset till disappearance of redness from the western horizon.

The Imami Shi'a define Sunset to be disappearance of redness from the

Eastern sky, which is an indication that the Sun has set by its

reflection on the East. Sunnis define Sunset as the disappearance of

the Sun below the horizon directly.

4. Ishaa Time: Starts from the disappearance of redness in the West to

half the night. Half the night is the mid point between Sunset and Fajr

points. While the Preferred Time is to the third of the night (Imamies,

Hanbalies and Malikies) The Imamies say that the Preferred time also

extends, from the beginning, to include an overlap with the Maghrib, once

one is finished with the Maghrib prayer.

5. Subh Time: Starts with the True Dawn (al-Fajr al-Sadiq) till Sunrise.

The Preferred Time being whilst still dark (except Hanafies: Their

Preferred time is first light.)

It appears from the above that the only slight difference is in the start

of Maghrib time due to the method of determination. All other prayers

start at the same time.

http://www.al-islam.org/Organizations/Aali...k/msg00297.html

so basicly then theres no difference in combining and seperating prayers.

Separating Prayers Maghrib/Isha & Zohr/Asr is 'Recommended'.

ws.

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sorry brother, but its like im repeating myself over and over again...

this post you posted has already been posted by sister aliya. also IF you read my first post i quoted a brother from another thread which he says:

Now the best time for Zohr prayer is Dolook Shams i-e When sun reaches highest point in sky and starts decending. And according to Imam Reza a.s, there is no known/distinguishable time for Asr. So it is right after the Zohr prayer. (Oyoon Akhbar Al-Redha #2 page 110). This is also mentioned in Al-Kafi Vol 3 p76 that 'Dolook shams' is time for Zohr & Asr prayer except Zohr has to be before Asr.

if you read the artiicle you posted, it doesnt really give a seperate time for asr. its just AFTER zohr? thats too vague. same with isha.

Separating Prayers Maghrib/Isha & Zohr/Asr is 'Recommended'.

how can you seperate it if asr and isha hasnt got its OWN TIME? how, how how? if its so recomended plz tell me. how can a person seperate asr and isha? by delaying it? surely its not recomended then, cuz theres more reward in reading prayers on time.

salaamz

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(salam)

Dhuhur starts around when the shadow of a verticle stick is the lowest and extends to when its shadows equals to the verticle stick. So today in the East coast of US around 12 pm is Dhuhur time this is when our shadows are the lowest. Dhuhur time goes until this shadow becomes equal to our heights.

Then this is Asr time and the finish of Asr time I believe differs amongst the scholars.

Maghrib is sunset so naturally this will not have a long period of time. That is why for us Shias, Isha starts immediately after sunset.

So if you want to separate your prayers perform Asr time some time half way between Maghrib and Dhuhur time (if you can't get a hold of a salat time as per shia figh). And know that praying isha after sunset when the night has begun is the start of the perferred time of isha and isha time ends around the middle of the night.

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