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Iraqi Sunnis Urge U.s. To Fight Iran Influence, Not Sunni Terrorists

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Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Sunni Muslims refugees from one of Iraq's most violent towns, with an eye toward possible U.S. policy changes after Tuesday's congressional elections, say America ought to drop its war on insurgents and focus on battling Iran's growing influence in their country.

``It's a useless tug of war in Ramadi,'' said Jalal Gaoud, 38, a contractor who, like many of his fellow townspeople, has taken refuge in neighboring Jordan. ``It's a waste for everyone, while Iran harvests the spoils.''

The refugees say fighting in Ramadi is at a stalemate. Streets sometimes change hands by the hour between U.S. Marines and masked rebel gunmen. U.S. forces wary of ground operations have turned increasingly to air assaults, while residents who navigate city streets face surprise sniper attacks by all sides.

While such inconclusive battles rage, Sunni refugees in Jordan say, Iran is taking control of much of the country through Shiite Muslim surrogates. In Iraq, where civil war competes with the violence of the anti-U.S. battle, Iran's connection to Shiites is a live topic; it has been only a small part of the debate in the U.S., where surveys show dissatisfaction over the war endangers President Bush's Republican majority in Congress.

``It's not surprising,'' said Jamaal al-Jubouri, a university student. ``If the Americans cannot win in Ramadi, they certainly can't control all of Iraq.''

Taking Refuge

He spoke in Amman, Jordan, where about 400,000 Iraqis have taken refuge from Baghdad as well as from central and western Iraq, according to Jordanian Interior Ministry estimates. Another 400,000 are estimated to be in Syria.

Ramadi, which lies along the Euphrates River 70 miles west of Baghdad, has become a hodgepodge of contending anti-U.S. Sunni militias, the Iraqis say, including terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. Sunni refugees say they fear the Iranians at least as much as the U.S., and they are ready to accept the U.S. as a balance and to turn against al-Qaeda.

``Iraqi insurgents would oppose al-Qaeda if they felt safe from the Shiites and Iran,'' said Raad al-Dulaimi, 49, a former traffic policeman. ``But they see that the Americans bow to the Shiites.'' He noted that the U.S. last month lifted a blockade of the Shiite Sadr City neighborhood in Baghdad, controlled by the Mahdi Army militia of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. ``Do the Americans think that Shiites are their friends? Think again. They're happy you're tied up.''

`Strategic Alliance'

``We wish to have a strategic alliance with the United States,'' added Zeidan al-Awad, 45, who said he heads the Boujaber tribe, one of several large clans in Anbar province, which includes Ramadi.

Ramadi is a fully Sunni town, but as sectarian killings increased elsewhere in Iraq, fear of Shiites has grown among Sunnis everywhere. Shiites are Iraq's majority religious grouping and are largely impoverished. Two factions of the U.S.-backed ruling coalition, al-Sadr's group and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution, are also supported by Iran.

Sunnis long dominated the country until the U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, who fought a vicious eight-year war with Iran in the 1980s.

Hussein, 69, was sentenced to death by hanging yesterday for his role in the killing of 148 Shiite Muslims in the northern Iraqi village of Dujail following an attempt on his life there in 1982.

Fed Up With Chaos

U.S. military leaders and the Iraqi government have occasionally tried to forge an alliance with Sunni clan leaders in Anbar whose influence transcends political affiliation. There are signs that some tribes are fed up with the chaos. Last week, a group of tribal leaders called the Anbar Salvation Front pledged to fight foreign al-Qaeda operatives. An Islamist Web site purported to belong to an Iraqi Islamic group claimed that its members killed four al-Qaeda operatives at a mosque in late September.

Appeasing Sunni rebels has a harsh history. In May 2004, U.S. military leaders agreed to turn over the town of Fallujah, 20 miles southeast of Ramadi, to former Saddam-era soldiers. The force quickly gave way to masked rebels and members of al-Qaeda. In November 2004, U.S. forces invaded Fallujah to clear it of insurgents.

Soon after, Ramadi became a focal point of rebel activity; fighting there has gone on ever since. On Oct. 19, rebels held a parade in Ramadi to proclaim the establishment of an Islamic state. About a third of the 105 U.S. fatalities in Iraq last month occurred in Anbar province.

No-Man's Land

Still, the battle in Ramadi goes on. Its three main streets -- known by the names of July 17th, Cinema and Showroom -- are no-man's land. ``Whoever steps out on any of them can be dead in a second,'' said Ahmed Jamil, 32, a schoolteacher.

Electric power is sporadic. Schools rarely open; the local university is closed. Workers rush home before sunset. Residents rely on local mom-and-pop stores rather than traverse the city street to market. ``No one is really in control of Ramadi,'' said al-Dulaimi, the traffic policeman.

He described his effort over three days to obtain school records for his children. On Oct. 23, he tried to cross the bridge into town, and a roadside bomb went off. The next day, he ran into a gunfight on July 17th Street, hid for four hours and went home. The next, when Marines shot up a side street just as he passed by, he gave up. ``That's the reality and that is why I am here in Jordan,'' he said.

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I believe its not about sunni

Your article has bad aims to make more hatred between sunna and shia

its about a traitor .. who trait all his Ummah

Thos dogs you can find from them shia as well . I know many shia who lives in england who are against hizbullah

same as sunni against iran ...

I believe we should start to fight those ( elements ) in islam

in a way we dont trust them or even consider them as muslims

Cuz god said ( sedition ) is worse than killing

and those elements are trying to do more sedition between muslims and this way they are helping our enemies to acheive their goals ..

Which we must fight them and never accept them as muslims

the worst enemy is one of your people who betray others ........

May Allah unify shia and sunna inshallah amen .

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^You are 100 right brother. There are rotten elements on BOTH sides, and the mainstream should distance themselves from trouble-making sectarian extremists.

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The truth is, right from the begining the Sunni Muslims in Iraq have fought only one enemy: the American invaders. Shias fail to realise this and they have made an enemy out of Sunni Muslims for no other reason than a mixture of ignorant hatreds and a promise of power from the Americans, both of which will eventually leave the Shias into a lurch. Americans have no intention of giving power to Shia, they want a puppet government in Iraq similar to Saddam's; in fact they already have it.

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Sunni or shia, Anyone that works for the americans or tries to make friends with them should die a horrible horrible death.

And when i say horrible, i mean really really horrible, so just like, try and imagine.

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So you guys are absolutely right, there are traitors everywhere, and you know what there has been sunni traitors since the begining of the war

and kurdish and christian and shia ones, cause iraq is majority shia so ofcource percentage wise, they have more traitors.

I can't wait untill the day comes to hang them.

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And shery and the muslim, you are both absolutely right. congratulations you earn my respect.

Edited by Syrian Sister

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The truth is, right from the begining the Sunni Muslims in Iraq have fought only one enemy: the American invaders. Shias fail to realise this and they have made an enemy out of Sunni Muslims for no other reason than a mixture of ignorant hatreds and a promise of power from the Americans, both of which will eventually leave the Shias into a lurch. Americans have no intention of giving power to Shia, they want a puppet government in Iraq similar to Saddam's; in fact they already have it.

You are wrong to clear one side of all the blame and place it on the other.

There are extremist elements on BOTH sides. There are extremist Shia AND Sunni in Iraq, and anybody who claims otherwise is being ignorant and arrogant at the same time.

Do not insult the innocent people who have been blown to smithereens by claiming that only one side are invovled. I repeat, there are extremists on both ends.

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I dont believe that you really believe that shia and sunna ( the good one of them are the one who started this plots )

You did forget about the 2 british with ( dishdash ) who were pretending to be iraqi and had a bomb ?

and who did poison all the iraqi security ?

I believe that many iraqi even who works for americans are loyal to iraq

and defenitely the day will come that iraqi will free themselves

and any muslim ( shia or sunna ) who betrayed his own people

He must read the 2 verses in quoran cuz he will be acting as the jew when he betrayed eachother for other infidel groups ...

verses 84 and 85 .....

the explanation of those 2 verses from surat baqarah ...

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So now muslims are acting as those jew that god talks about them in quoran ... and they will got failure in life and very painful torture in afterlife inshallah .,

Edited by shery

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You are wrong to clear one side of all the blame and place it on the other.

There are extremist elements on BOTH sides. There are extremist Shia AND Sunni in Iraq, and anybody who claims otherwise is being ignorant and arrogant at the same time

Im not saying that the extremists are only on one side, Im saying you have to reconise the fact that the root of the resistance did NOT come from sectarianists, it came from Mujahideen interested only in defeating the Americans. Why else did they make an alliance with Moqtada Al Sadr and fight for him in Sadr City? What kind of Muslims would spill their blood to save a Shia city from American occupation? Sectarianists? You cant let hatred to cloud your judgement.

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I have no hatred. What I'm saying is the following:

There is resistance on both sides: Syed Moqtada has helped protect Sunni towns and masjids, and your Mujahideen have worked alongside Syed Moqtada. This is the positive aspect.

There is extremism on both sides: Shia and Sunni extremists fight each other like dogs while the Americans safely watch from the sidelines. This is the negative aspect.

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I agree there is extremeism on both side which is to be expected in anew country especially when one side was given special treatment over other. Having said that I believe and prayer that if the Iraqi people chose to do what is right which is the islamic way and not sectrian they will be bless in long run especially when USA leaves.

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There's no point waiting for the USA to leave. The Iraqis must unite and fight their own battle. Nobody is gaining anything from US presence in Iraq (except the companies Cheney and co invest in).

If the Shia and Sunni can liberate themselves together then they can certainly govern themselves together.

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Well the Sunni Muslims have been fighting the Americans right from the begining; they realised early on that there was no point waiting for the Shia to stop collaberating with the Americans. If they had waited for Shias to change sides, the Sunni Muslims would have lost the most important thing in battle: momentum.

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The Shia Muslims such as the Jaysh al Mahdi ALSO fought the Americans right from the beginning.

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True, but they broke away from mainstream Shiaism by going against Sistani. They were also very unpopular amongst Shias for fighting against the US military who is still considered the main Shia allie in Iraq.

Edited by TheMuslim

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And now the treason is on the other foot, how does it feel? So many of you here wanted to collaborate with the americans to 'get rid of the Sunnis' And now it's the owther way round you scream foul? Funny funny.

You try very very hard to accuse Shias of Iraq for collaboration with Americans while clearly you know that Americans never asked for permission from Shias when they invaded Iraq and that your uncle Saddam was the main Zionist agents for year. And you know what Iran never allowed the expansion of western powers in Iraq, starting from UK's pullout from Basra to the last the Americans pullout from Baghdad.

I am not sure what do you want to prove or achieve to bring up the post from 2006/2008 and then reply in such a manner.

The fact is Syrian Sister that: You Sunnis were embarrassed and disappointed on all what your fellow Sunnis have been doing all these years, in selling themselves and their countries for the last 7 decades, from Arabs to non-Arab Sunnis... so you found an excuse in Iraq to also include Shias and blame Sunni-Shias equally that oh ya collaborators exist everywhere. No, they don't exist equally, they don't exist to the extend that they do exist in your sect and in your countries. Out of 50+ Sunni countries, 50+ of them are either puppets or slaves or both to different powers.

From Hamas to Ikhwan, from Mursi to Qaradhawi, from Saudi to Pakistan, from Morocco to Bosnia, from secular to nationalists, from Islamists to Takfirists, and you name it, are a bunch of sellouts and backward haters.

You (Sunni public) need to wake up and organize yourselves, bring down your puppet leaders and governments and install true leaders, manage to find and know your enemies and your friends the right way... learn how to live in peace and security with your neighbors who are different than you in sectarian beliefs or belong to different ethnicity.

To blame Iraqis or Shias or Iran and Hizb, kill Alawites, blow up Rafidhis mosques, kiss the feet of Israel and British for the last few centuries will not benefit you at all and you will not succeed anywhere.

Go and have a chat with your fellow Sunni Jihadists who took guns and fought alongside NATO in Libya and Syria, at least Hizbullah and/or Sepah Quds or Pasdaran from Iran (the Shia Jihadists) never fought alongside anybody, be it Iraq or Lebanon or Yemen.

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You try very very hard to accuse Shias of Iraq for collaboration with Americans while clearly you know that Americans never asked for permission from Shias when they invaded Iraq and that your uncle Saddam was the main Zionist agents for year. And you know what Iran never allowed the expansion of western powers in Iraq, starting from UK's pullout from Basra to the last the Americans pullout from Baghdad.

I am not sure what do you want to prove or achieve to bring up the post from 2006/2008 and then reply in such a manner.

The fact is Syrian Sister that: You Sunnis were embarrassed and disappointed on all what your fellow Sunnis have been doing all these years, in selling themselves and their countries for the last 7 decades, from Arabs to non-Arab Sunnis... so you found an excuse in Iraq to also include Shias and blame Sunni-Shias equally that oh ya collaborators exist everywhere. No, they don't exist equally, they don't exist to the extend that they do exist in your sect and in your countries. Out of 50+ Sunni countries, 50+ of them are either puppets or slaves or both to different powers.

From Hamas to Ikhwan, from Mursi to Qaradhawi, from Saudi to Pakistan, from Morocco to Bosnia, from secular to nationalists, from Islamists to Takfirists, and you name it, are a bunch of sellouts and backward haters.

You (Sunni public) need to wake up and organize yourselves, bring down your puppet leaders and governments and install true leaders, manage to find and know your enemies and your friends the right way... learn how to live in peace and security with your neighbors who are different than you in sectarian beliefs or belong to different ethnicity.

To blame Iraqis or Shias or Iran and Hizb, kill Alawites, blow up Rafidhis mosques, kiss the feet of Israel and British for the last few centuries will not benefit you at all and you will not succeed anywhere.

Go and have a chat with your fellow Sunni Jihadists who took guns and fought alongside NATO in Libya and Syria, at least Hizbullah and/or Sepah Quds or Pasdaran from Iran (the Shia Jihadists) never fought alongside anybody, be it Iraq or Lebanon or Yemen.

Sunnis are doing this now, it's called the Arab Spring, we are finally getting rid of our dictators or puppets as you call them, the Iraqi Shia did collaborate with the U.S. most of them at least, just to take power, they even allowed a U.S led invasion, which is the worst thing that you can do, I don't know about you but what's worse to ask for weapons from the West in order to defend yourself from torture and destruction such as the Syrian opposition is doing now in Syria or to allow and help out with a full fledged invasion of one's country?

Umm I don't know about you about I think an invasion is much much worse because with the Syrian situation now at least they would have control of their country and destiny, whereas in Iraq they didn't, Iraq was taken back to the stone age and the Shia have only themselves to blame, they are also now an agent to Iran, I don't think much Iraqis would like Iraq how it is now.

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This for proud Sunni because for some reason i can,t press the quote button.

The Shia had nothing to do with the invasion it,s not like the Americans did it to put the Shia in power. If it was for democracy and relieving the country from a tyrant why didn,t they help the Shia in the 1991 uprising. The Americans did it for themselves and the Shia saw the vacuum and assumed power. That is why when Amercia started occupying the Shia started the biggest resistance against the Americans. I want you to tell me how Iraq is a agent of Iran. I love how if Iraq does a thing that is in it,s interest and that happens to be in Iran interest as well the Sunnis start shouting agent. However when there fat leaders can,t speak a single word against the Zoinist they don,t say a word. I really wonder is Iraq a puppet or the 50 or so Sunni leaders. I think this cartoon sums up most of those countries mindset.

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This for proud Sunni because for some reason i can,t press the quote button.

The Shia had nothing to do with the invasion it,s not like the Americans did it to put the Shia in power. If it was for democracy and relieving the country from a tyrant why didn,t they help the Shia in the 1991 uprising. The Americans did it for themselves and the Shia saw the vacuum and assumed power. That is why when Amercia started occupying the Shia started the biggest resistance against the Americans. I want you to tell me how Iraq is a agent of Iran. I love how if Iraq does a thing that is in it,s interest and that happens to be in Iran interest as well the Sunnis start shouting agent. However when there fat leaders can,t speak a single word against the Zoinist they don,t say a word. I really wonder is Iraq a puppet or the 50 or so Sunni leaders. I think this cartoon sums up most of those countries mindset.

https://fbcdn-sphoto...821300289_n.jpg

What about Ayad Allawi, he was a Shia, what about all those Shia parties who were all based in London before the war and had worked with the US led invasion?

Most Shia besides Al-Sadr group didn't fight the occupation forces only Sunnis did, including the Dawah party led by the courupt Malaki now, they never fought of the occupation.

You Shia are hypocrites, you want us to blast Saddam (which I do) for all the crimes that he committed against the Shia, and not just the Shia but all Iraqis, but at the same breath wont blast Bashar for doing exactly the same thing to Syrians and worst. Do you remember Hamma?

Just because that he is a Allawi you defend him, because of this mere fact, do you know that his father invaded Lebanon and helped the Christians against Muslims at the beginning of the Lebanese civil war? The Christians were almost defeated but he invades Lebanon and start destroying the Muslim militias infavour of the Christian militias.

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Proud & Sunni,

Anytime you post under your 'known' username, then I'll respond to your baseless post. I know who you are. In the last 3 days you posted under 3 different usernames.

Wallahi I don't know that you are talking about, I only have one user account and that is Sunni and Proud, ummh hmm not "Proud and Sunni" as you stated, please at least have some attention to detail. In fact I have only been on Shia Chat for two days now. If you don't believe me ask the admin people on Shia Chat.

However, I can see that your judgment stinks as you can't even get my user name right, so I don't expect you you to find out if i have other user names.

Please reply to my so called "baseless" post or are you having cold feet, tell me why it is baseless?

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^Lady! My judgment is based on yrs of experience on online forums :D But either way, have a nice day!

Lady? What are you on about? I told ask the admins, I am not who you think are am, and I don't lie using the name of Allah. get your facts right.

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^Anyhow, your username is sectarian!

Your judgment stinks here again for I am NOT sectarian, most of the Shia poeple on this forum are sectarian not me, everything you do on these forums are rejection of the Sunni ways, not me you.

Are you going to apologise for making such a false allegation?

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^Do you know any other phrase except your judgment stinks?

Again, I suggest you change your 'username' or post under the different usernames you have. Because, first: There is nothing to be proud about Sunnis (especially your Takfiri Salafi cult nowadays) and 2nd: It is a sectarian one.

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^Do you know any other phrase except your judgment stinks?

Again, I suggest you change your 'username' or post under the different usernames you have. Because, first: There is nothing to be proud about Sunnis (especially your Takfiri Salafi cult nowadays) and 2nd: It is a sectarian one.

WHAT THE ??? Sunnis are a sect, if you say we are a sect then so are the Shia. Sunnis are the true orthodox Islam, whereas you guys split from the main Islamic Calipha during the Ummayaid times.

Talking to you is like taking to a mirage, I ONLY HAVE ONE USER NAME, ONE, JUST ONE NOTHING MORE.

And yes I am very proud to be a Muslim first, and then a Sunni, because the only reason we called ourselves Sunni is because to distinguish ourselves from the Shia who actively called themselves Shia.

I'm not a Salafi, I do respect them for some of their actions but some I don't. You know, believe it or not most Sunni Muslims are not Salafi, not by a long shot, most Sunnis follow the four mazhaabs of Hanafi, Shaafi, Malaki and Hambali. The Salafis actively fight these great scholar's fiqh using the billions of dollars that come from Saudi petrol dollars that belongs to the entire ummah.

No, I am definitely not a Salafi.

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^It started from the time of prophet (saww) when some stayed loyal to him and to true Islam and became 'Shia' to the religion, but some ran away from the battlefields, made their own 'hidden' mafia network behind closed doors... As soon as prophet (saww) was ready to leave this world, and asked them to prepare to write his guidance, they refused and disobeyed him. And when he finally left this world, instead of showing respect to the prophet's body and soul, they decided to go on their own and look for power and seats... created this bid'a of 'Khelafa' and ruined everything... They fought the guided Imams such as Imam Ali, Hassand and Hussain a.s. And then whoever was looking for power, for their own pockets, for bribes, for tribalism and cultural traditions, they all came together to follow such ppl, create 'fake hadiths' to fulfill their desires, and wrongfully claimed they follow the 'Sunnah' of prophet, and named themselves as Sunni...

It was then centuries later when the corrupt rulers asked their armed followers to collect the works of 4 known Imams of the time from this cult and allow only those 4 to as the right and correct schools..and ban all other Imams or scholars who had works on Fiqh, Hadiths and etc... Abu Hanifa and Malik or others even themselves do not know that they have followers and some ppl follow them as Hanafi or Maliki Sunnis. If they come out of their graves, they'll scream!

Btw: you follow Abu Hanifa as you consider yourself as Hanafi Sunni, what did Abu Hanafi follow or who did he follow? What did he call himself?

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To Sunni and Proud

First of all Ayad Allawi is a secular Shia and if you read various books related to the so called iraqi opposition who were just CIA assets you would now that they had no support in Iraq and that is why they were the first to go (such as Ahmed Chalabi) after the proper national assembly elections which by the way the Dawa won fair and square.

I am willing to condemn Basher al Assad as he is just another despot. However i will not sit hear and play the drums for the so called rebels as they are both doing terrible things. This war is bigger then a dictator against Jefferson freedom fighters.

If you are not Allawi i find it hard to believe people support him because of that it,s because if your a minority you will gravitate to the person who you believe will safeguard your interests lets face it Shia and Sunni alike have broadly the same problems with the Allawis and your last point that's called politics.

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To Sunni and Proud

First of all Ayad Allawi is a secular Shia and if you read various books related to the so called iraqi opposition who were just CIA assets you would now that they had no support in Iraq and that is why they were the first to go (such as Ahmed Chalabi) after the proper national assembly elections which by the way the Dawa won fair and square.

I am willing to condemn Basher al Assad as he is just another despot. However i will not sit hear and play the drums for the so called rebels as they are both doing terrible things. This war is bigger then a dictator against Jefferson freedom fighters.

If you are not Allawi i find it hard to believe people support him because of that it,s because if your a minority you will gravitate to the person who you believe will safeguard your interests lets face it Shia and Sunni alike have broadly the same problems with the Allawis and your last point that's called politics.

AT LAST a Shia on these forums that admits that Assad must go, the Iraq Shia the majority of them supported the US led invasion of Iraq, I know because I knew many Iraqis here in Australia who told me this, so don't play me out for a fool.

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^^ Don,t put words in my mouth i say if Basher has to go for a mutual government between parties so be it but not through armed means. Most Iraqis i know and i am one don,t support the us led invasion and there are many statistics that show that the majority of the iraqi population don,t so i don,t know where your getting you statistics from i bet they support the downfall of a dictator not foreign occupation.

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AT LAST a Shia on these forums that admits that Assad must go, the Iraq Shia the majority of them supported the US led invasion of Iraq, I know because I knew many Iraqis here in Australia who told me this, so don't play me out for a fool.

I dont like Assad, but I also dont like the opposition

Personally Assad is a much better choice than the sunni terrorist organisations trying to get power

Just like they did in Libya

These are the same people who ran afghanistan in the taliban era, the same people killing shias in iraq and the same people killing christians in egypt

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I dont like Assad, but I also dont like the opposition

Personally Assad is a much better choice than the sunni terrorist organisations trying to get power

Just like they did in Libya

These are the same people who ran afghanistan in the taliban era, the same people killing shias in iraq and the same people killing christians in egypt

But you are wrong the majority of the opposition are not those types, they are 95% either ex-Syrian soldiers or the Syrian people who are sick of being humilated, persecuted and living in terrors for all there lives, they want freedom from this police state and dictator, who controls every aspect of their lives, they are sick of corruption and sick of the murderous Assad family making Syria there little bank account. No free person in the world can live under oppression for ever, the people finnally rebel no matter how long and how harsh they are oppressed, just look what happened to the Saddam regime, the Gaddafi regime, the Mubarak Regime and now the worst of all regimes the Assad regime inshallah who are ready to use chemical weapons if need be.

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