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I'm not aware, sorry. 2003 was the year I got into Nü Metal as a kid, so I doubt I would remember either way and even if it did occur, my baggy jeans and clipped on bike chain wouldn't allow me to see

I pray that this could be one of the awaited sign

Dear all, (salam) Thank you UltraMuslim, for letting us know that the Lunar and Solar eclipses this year will take place on the 9th. and 23rd. November. As I have mentioned in my post on the appea

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Dear all,

(salam)

Thank you UltraMuslim, for letting us know that the Lunar and Solar eclipses this year will take place on the 9th. and 23rd. November. As I have mentioned in my post on the appearance of Imam Mahdi, in another forum, The Holy Prophet(pbuh) has mentioned in his Hadeeth quoted in Dar Qutni by Muhammad bin Ali is as follows:

Mohammad bin Ali reports that "For our Mahdi, there are two signs and since the birth of the universe these events have never taken place. The two signs are that there will be a lunar eclipse on the first night (of the possible nights in the month of ) Ramadan and a Solar eclipse on the (middle day of the three days) middle of Ramadan." (Dare-qutni)

This heavenly sign was fulfilled during the time of the Promised Messiah, in exactly the way described in the Hadith. The moon was eclipsed on the 13th of Ramadhan, 1311 Hijrah (corresponding to March 21, 1894), and the sun was eclipsed on the 28th of Ramadhan (April 6, 1894). It should be noted that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is the only person in history who has claimed this heavenly sign in support of his claim.

I am very glad that you have mentioned that this sign and have attributed it as a sign of the Zahoor of Imam Mahdi.

I would like to assure you that this is a very good opportunity for us to decide this matter once and for all.

If the Zahoor of the Imam Mahdi happens in close proximity to this year’s Lunar and Solar eclipses in Ramadhan, and someone declares himself to be the Imam e Zamaan, and Imam Mahdi, then it would be incumbent upon all Muslims to accept him and do Bai’at at his hand.

The only person to have claimed the sign of the double eclipses in the month of Ramadhan as a sign of the truth of his claim to be the Imam Mahdi is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) . If this sign is seen in this Ramadhan and the the Zahoor of Imam Ghaib does not occur, then what does this signify? To me it would mean that the present sign would also be a sign of the truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, as he would be the only one claiming to be Imam Mahdi.

May Allah enable all Muslims to join together at the Hands of the True Imam Mahdi.

Ameen

Navidul Haq Khan

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This heavenly sign was fulfilled during the time of the Promised Messiah, in exactly the way described in the Hadith. The moon was eclipsed on the 13th of Ramadhan, 1311 Hijrah (corresponding to March 21, 1894), and the sun was eclipsed on the 28th of Ramadhan (April 6, 1894). It should be noted that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is the only person in history who has claimed this heavenly sign in support of his claim.

Hello Ahmadi-guy. I have a couple questions for you. Hope you will answer.

Did Mirza Ghulam bring justice in the world?

Was Mirza Ghulam a descentant from Fatima-i Zehra (as) ?

Why do Ahmadi's believe that Mehdi (as) en the Messiah (prophet Jesus -as-) are the same person?

Wassalam

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Dear Cihad

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1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was sent by God as the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. LIke other Imams and Prophets sent buy Allah, he was only a Human Being.

In Sura Kahaf the Holy Prophet pbuh has been instructed to say that he is only a Human Being.

18: 110. Say, I am but a man like yourselves; but it is revealed to me that your God is One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord, do good deeds, and let him join no one in the worship of his Lord.

Like all other Prophets in the past, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) had a certain mission to accomplish. This mission was detailed in the Ahadeeth of the Holy prophet pbuh in the following way:

In his capacity as The Imam Mahdi, he was supposed to:

Be the Hakamun adlun: i.e. the Fair Judge amongst the Muslims. He would thus give judgement on differences which would exist amongst the various sects of the Muslims.

He would rule in matters of dispute according to the Holy Quran and Hadeeth.

He would be the "Yuhyiddeena wa Yqeemuss Shariyyata".

In his capaity as the Promised Messiah, he would do the following:

Kathrus Saleeba (Break the Cross) i.e. Destroy through arguments the beliefs and doctrines of the Christian Faith.

Yaqtalul Khinzeera: (Slay the Swine) The swine is symbolic of the decadent and permissive society based on liberal Judeo-Christian ethics, which allow all sorts of prohibitions to be practiced openly. (e.g Homosexuality, pornography etc).

Yazaul Harb: (Abolish the wars fought in the name of Religion).

If one were to read the enormous literature left by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), it will be clear to all that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) has carried out all the tasks which were given to him. In particular, those writings which have destroyed the basis of Christianity, i.e. the belief that Jesus is still alive.

2. Mirza Sahib was descendent from Hazrat Fatimatu Zuhra (as) in that from amongst his ancestors many of the women were from the Family of Hazrat Fatimah. He also saw in a vision (kashf) that:

He saw the Panjtan Paak (The Holy Prophet pbuh , Hazrat Ali (as), Hazrat Fatimah (as) and both Hazrat Hasan and Hussain (as). During this vision, he says that "Hazrat Fatimahtuz Zuhra placed his head in her lap, like an Affectionate Mother" (Madare Mehrbaan).

3. There is a Hadeeth of the Holy prophet (pbuh) in which he has said :

La Mahdi Illa Eesa i.e. there is no Mahdi except for Eesa.

wa Salaam

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1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was sent by God as the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah.  LIke other Imams and Prophets sent buy Allah, he was only a Human Being.

In Sura Kahaf the Holy Prophet pbuh has been instructed to say that he is only a Human Being.

18: 110. Say, I am but a man like yourselves; but it is revealed to me that your God is One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord, do good deeds, and let him join no one in the worship of his Lord.

Like all other Prophets in the past, Hazrat  Mirza  Ghulam Ahmad (as) had a certain mission to accomplish.  This mission was detailed in the Ahadeeth of the Holy prophet pbuh in the following way:

In his capacity as The Imam Mahdi, he was supposed to:

Be the Hakamun adlun: i.e. the Fair Judge amongst the Muslims.  He would thus give judgement on differences which would exist amongst the various sects of the  Muslims.

He would rule in matters of dispute according to the Holy Quran and Hadeeth. 

He would be the "Yuhyiddeena wa Yqeemuss Shariyyata".

In his capaity as the Promised Messiah, he would do the following:

Kathrus Saleeba (Break the Cross) i.e. Destroy through arguments the  beliefs and doctrines of the Christian Faith.

Yaqtalul Khinzeera: (Slay the Swine) The swine is symbolic of the decadent and permissive society based on liberal Judeo-Christian ethics, which allow all sorts of prohibitions to be practiced openly. (e.g Homosexuality, pornography etc).

Yazaul Harb: (Abolish the wars fought in the name of Religion).

If one were to read the enormous literature left by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), it will be clear to all that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) has carried out all the tasks which were given to him. In particular, those writings which have destroyed the basis of Christianity, i.e. the belief that Jesus is still alive.

According to hadiths imam Mahdi (as) will fill the world with justice and make an end to the zholm. I dont think Mirza Ghulam did that.

2. Mirza Sahib was descendent from Hazrat Fatimatu Zuhra  (as)  in that from amongst his ancestors many of the women were from the Family of Hazrat Fatimah.  He also saw in a vision (kashf) that:

He saw the Panjtan Paak (The Holy Prophet pbuh , Hazrat Ali (as), Hazrat Fatimah (as) and both Hazrat Hasan and Hussain (as).  During this vision, he says that "Hazrat Fatimahtuz Zuhra placed his head in her lap, like an Affectionate Mother" (Madare Mehrbaan).

Something with no proof and can never be proofed.

3. There is a Hadeeth of the Holy prophet (pbuh) in which he has said :

La Mahdi Illa Eesa i.e. there is no Mahdi except for Eesa.

Do you have refrences? My hadiths tells something else.

Wassalam

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(salam)

Subhanallah.

Does that mean we have to pray the special salats twice?  :blink:

Wassalam, Sarah

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Yes that would would me would have to pray the 'special' salat twice! As we are going to see 2 different eclipses at 2 differnt times! :)

salaam alaikum

Actually alot of us may not see the solar eclipse.

wa salaam

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I would like to Caution everyone not to take the above sign at its face value as the double eclipse happens in Ramadan every 20 years or so. See moonsighting.com website article on this below. The next time it will happen is in 2024 and 2025. I am not saying that it is not possible for Imam (as) to appear this Ramadhan but we have to be careful!

http://www.moonsighting.com/eclipses.html

Moulana Sadiq Hassan was very clear in the Moharram majalis to warn us against jumping and running to the any person who appears around this time and claims to be Imam Zamana (as) . If you are not one of the lucky ones (313 close companions of Imam (as)) , it is better to wait do your research, and make sure He is THE Awaited Imam (as) . Listen to the majalis here:

http://www.azadar.com/~yajafar/sadiqhassan/

More majalis on this topic here:

http://www.majaalis.com/archives/muhurrum/.../sadiqHasan.htm

I am sure the forces of Taghoot are also watching this Ramadhan and who knows what they are planning to misguide us.

Mirza Ghulam is definitely NOT The Awaited Imam (as) . There is not point in wasting time discussing this with Ahmadis.

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The Holy Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "The Mahdi is none other than Jesus son of Mary"

(Sunan Ibn e Maja, Kitabul Fitan, Vol 2, page 1341)

I have image of the original book as well but................

sorry I dont know how to upload image.....it gives error...extension stuff :o

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well....its just your word of mouth that it is forgery......I have given a reference....u are free to prove why the writer of sunnan Ibne Maja included this hadith......where the link is broken. ofcorse no one belives just becoz u said. Could you provide me the prove as u said earlier:

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Sallam

Ibn Maja and Hakem have brought one tradition from the Holy Prophet as such:

It will not be long when difficulties and problems will dominate the people and the world shall turn away from its inhabitants and the people will resort to greediness. The Hour shall not be established but upon the wicked and Mahdi is not but Isa-ibn-Maryam.

Ibn Hajar quotes Hakem as saying:

"This traditions did not distrurb me as such but rather astonished me greatly."

Baihaqi says: "Only Muhammad ibn Khalid has narrated this tradition".

Hakem says: "He (i.e. Muhammad ibn Khalid) is unknown and there exists differences in the chain of transmission of traditions narrated by him."

Nasai too rejects such traditions.

The author of Eqdud Durar in the preface of his afore mentioned book writes as such:

"And amongst the people, there are those who reckon that Mahdi is none other than Isa-ibn-Maryam, the pure and holy. So I told them - The one who denies the emergence of Mahdi is not actually referring to Hazrat Isa because there is no reason to believe that that reference is made to him and the one who thinks that Mahdi is the same as Isa ibn-Maryam and insists on the authenticity of this tradition has indeed made the zeal of prejudice and error to bring him to the point of precipice.

Thereafter he says :

"Even though this tradition may be proverbial among the people yet, how can it be considered authentic when the traditionists have rejected it."

After accurately examining its references and deliberating on its authorities if a person still relies on this tradition, it will be a matter of grave falacy.

The proof of this statement is that Imam Abu Abdur Rahman has emphasised on its denial and his view is worthy of acceptance because the tradition returns back to Muhammad-ibn-Khalid Jundi. Moreover, Imam Abul-Faraj Jauzi narrates in his book ,Elal-Mutanahiya, the weakness of this tradition from the words of Hafiz Abi Bakr Baihaqi who said:

"This tradition is connected to Jundi and he is an unknown person. Moreover, Jundi narrates from Abaan ibn Aiyaash and he too is a rejected and un-laudable person. Abaan too narrates from Hassan and he from the Holy Prophet and there is an interval in his transmission (i.e. all the sources have not been narrated). Anyhow, there is no reason to consider this tradition to be authentic."

Baihaqi narrates from his master, Hakem Naishabouri (and his words are sufficient enough to make you understand the technique of tradition and the position of its narrators) as follows:

"Jundi is an unknown person and Ibn Aiyaash, a rejected one and with such transmitters this tradition is severed. Almost all the scholars of traditions have brought traditions about Imam Mahdi and all have mentioned his name and remembered him and for those who are clear-sighted and are also aware, it is clear that a part of those traditions are a rectification for the other parts and this is the highest proof of those traditions being better than this rejected tradition."

Also, Hafez Abu Abdullah Hakem has spoken on this subject in his Mustadrak which has also been mentioned in Sahihain and this makes us needless of other talks.

He reminds that if a tradition has been narrated by a large number of people it is having priority over those traditions which are not as such and while coming across this tradition he discusses its position from the view-point of credibility and uncredibility.

Thereafter he writes:

"The reason I have brought this tradition is not to argue upon it but to express my surprise".

This statement of Hakem finally proves his inattention towards this tradition.

He further says: "

"Better than this tradition is the tradition of Sufyan Suri and his adherents."

Thereafter, he mentions the tradition of the Holy Prophet which says:

"His name is the same as my name» and then writes as such:- 'The eminent scholars are of the view that what Hazrat intends to say by this statement is that Mahdi's name is the same and similar to his name."

Thus the above statement reveals the truthfulness of this statement that Mahdi is someone other than Isa ibn Maryam .

Author of Yanabi-ul-Muwadda on page 434 says:

"Indeed the fabrication of this tradition from Ibn-Khalid is apparent from various aspects.

Firstly, if this tradition was correct then the oppression and cruelty which was prevalent during the time of Yazid and Hajjaj should have increased manifold and until today there should have not remained any goodness in this world. However, after the afore-mentioned period, that is from the time of Omar ibn Abdul Aziz and the Abbasside Caliphs up to now, peace and goodness has been settled by the Grace of Allah.

Secondly, before the appointment of the Holy Prophet to the position of Prophethood, the subject of Mahdaviyat was not prevalent among the Arabs so that it could possibly reject this saying (there is no Mahdi but Isa ibn Maryam).

Thirdly, God has hinted about Mahdi in many verses of His Book and as such the Holy Prophet too has given glad-tidings about him to his followers just as the previous Prophets had given glad-tidings to others about the coming of our Prophet and the circumstances concerning Mahdi. I have collected and mentioned these glad-tidings in a book entitled Mashreq-ul-Ekwan. "

What we can derive from the sayings of these great men in reply to the afore-mentioned tradition is the following:

Firstly, it is a fabricated one; secondly it is null and void and hence weak; thirdly it is contradicting the widely transmitted tradition and fourthly its actual interpretation differs from its apparent meaning.

And Allah knows best brother.

Sallam

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Salaam everybody,

All the info regarding the upcoming Double Ramadan eclipses:

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/eclipse.html

InshaAllah, thuhoor Al-Mahdi is close!

Salaam,

MZA

Wow. Hold on here. NASA is a front for the jew controlled, Zionist media. There is no NASA. It's a Mossad agency invented to fool muslims.

HAHAHA. ultra fanatic quoting a kafir, imperialist science agency. We'll make a jew out of you yet ultra fanatic.

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I would like to Caution everyone not to take the above sign at its face value as the double eclipse happens in Ramadan every 20 years or so. See moonsighting.com website article on this below. The next time it will happen is in 2024 and 2025. I am not saying that it is not possible for Imam  to appear this Ramadhan but we have to be careful!

If both the lunar and solar eclipse happen in Ramadan every 20 or so years then, how can the prophet pbuh say that these are sign for the return of Imam Mehdi (as) and that they have never taken place. Looking for clarification here.

Wa'salam

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Because, the lunar nad solar eclipse must happen within 14-15 days of one another. this requirement has never been fulfilled.

when the eclipses do happen, it will be obvious what has happened, everyone will be amazed, and the event will be unpredictable. its not something that will be casual and normal. that is to say, the happenstance of these eclipses will be unique.

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Because, the lunar nad solar eclipse must happen within 14-15 days of one another. this requirement has never been fulfilled.

when the eclipses do happen, it will be obvious what has happened, everyone will be amazed, and the event will be unpredictable. its not something that will be casual and normal. that is to say, the happenstance of these eclipses will be unique.

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rahat

Can you clarify your statement, 80% of it doesn't make sense.

Syedzadi asked for clarification so far you've thrown me deeper in confusion.

What do you mean that

Because, the lunar nad solar eclipse must happen within 14-15 days of one another. this requirement has never been fulfilled.

Why must the solar and lunar eclipse occur 14-15 days apart from one another. ?

And are u with this being the ramadan of the eclipses foretold or what

Much love, WA Salam ^_^

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If both the lunar and solar eclipse happen in Ramadan every 20 or so years then, how can the prophet  say that these are sign for the return of Imam Mehdi  and that they have never taken place. Looking for clarification here.

Please be careful in quoting and interpreting any ahadith. Most people believe that almost 95% of Ahadith regarding return of Imam (as) may not be authentic and have been distorted.

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please watch how hyped up you let yourself get

the ahadith that I have seen so far mention the eclipses in *OPPOSITE ORDER* in whcih the could possibly occur in nature

ie the order mentions in the ahadith is IMPOSSIBLE in nature

ie it is an UNPREDICTABLE sign from Allah

when we get hyped up we forget what we're supposed to be doing as preparation for Imam Mahdi; so let's (let us) keep our senses

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Most people believe that almost 95% of Ahadith regarding return of Imam (as) may not be authentic and have been distorted.

Thats invalid, were told not to go by the mainstream media. So just because the majority speaks of something, its the truth ? So if "most" people said that walking around your own house will transform your house into a mansion, would you believe that ? lol I've said what i know, what i dont know is how to interpret hadith. Maybe someone else can help us out.

Wa Salam

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when we get hyped up we forget what we're supposed to be doing as preparation for Imam Mahdi; so let's (let us) keep our senses

A very good point sis abalaeda.

Only time will tell (hopefully in our lifetime).

May Allah hasten the reappearance of our beloved Imam (as) and give us the ability to be among his true followers.

I rest my case.

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(bismillah)

Salam,

Double Eclipse Ramadan,

Please be advised that the double eclipse predicted for Ramadan 2003 is a “total solar and lunar eclipse”. Being total (as opposed to partial) makes it a rare event, even if it happens as a regular astrological event with no extraordinary implications. The schedule below would indicate the number of such total eclipses that have ever occurred in the history of mankind:

Ramadans with two central eclipses

LUNAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SOLAR

AH . . AD . . . . . . . . . . Date . . . Where visible . . . . . . . . Date . . .Where visible

.283 . .896 . . . . . . . ..29 Oct . . .Pacific & adjacent . .. . . . 12 Nov . Canada; Alaska;

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(25 Oct) . . landmasses . . . . . . . .(8 Nov) . NE Pacific

.305 . .918 . . . . . . . . .5 Mar . . Eurasia; . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 Mar . .Antarctic; south

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (28 Feb) .NE Africa . . .. . . . . . . . (15 Mar) . .Indian Ocean

.462 . 1070 . . . . . . . . .2 Jul . . .Pacific & adjacent . . . . . .16 Jul . . .Arctic; Siberia

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(26 Jun) . .landmasses . . . . .(10 Jul)

.529 . 1135 . . . . . . . . . 4 Jul . . .America; Pacific; . . . . . 19 Jul . . .Antarctic; far

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (27 Jun) . New Zealand . . . . . . .(12 Jul) . . .south Pacific

.596 . 1200 . . . . . . . . . 5 Jul . . . Pacific & adjacent . . . *19 Jul . Siberia; Arctic;

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (28 Jun) . .landmasses . . . . . . . (12 Jul) . . NW Atlantic

1200 . 1786 . . . . . . . . .11 Jul . . . Pacific & adjacent . . . .25 Jul . . South Africa &

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . landmasses . . . . . . .adjacent oceans

1424 . 2003 . . . . . . . . .9 Nov . . .Europe; SW Asia; . . . . .23 Nov . Antarctic; south

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Africa; America . . . .Indian Ocean

1580 . 2155 . . . . . . . . .9 Mar . . Europe; Africa; . . . . . . ..*2 Apr . .China; Russia;

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .America . . . . . . Kashmir; Mongolia;

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. .Afghanistan

Reference: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/melwood/...68/eclramx.html

Please note that the Ramadan double eclipse that was exploited by Mirza Ghulam (Ahmadiyya leader) was a partial one which occurred in March 1894. Also note that the year 896 was the first occurrence of such an event which miraculously corresponds to the 28th year of Imam Mahdi’s life on this earth. There have been no claimants to the office of Mahdaviyyat in any of the other occurences of a total double eclipse. This would imply that the double eclipse of this year is an especially significant event, given the signs that are before us which already point to the imminent return ot Imam Mahdi.

Moreover, we are told in certain hadiths that the astrological event that accompanies the rise of Imam Mahdi will not be a routine one, and that certain elements of surprise may be implicated.

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However, we are told in certain hadiths that the astrological event that accompanies the rise of Imam Mahdi will not be a routine one, and that certain elements of surprise may be implicated.

Asalam Moheb,

May you clarify this for me plz. So your saying, correct me if im wrong bro, that this Ramadan's eclipses might not be the one afore mentioned in the hadith?

Looking for clarification of ur statement.

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