Muta

[Hannibal]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I'm asking this question out of curiosity because the other day a sheikh was telling my friend how good mut'a is and how society needs it etc.. but when my friend asked him (just to test) if he could do mut'a with his daughter he refused and got angry. (Hypocricy if you ask me)

I would like to know all of your honest opinions

(salam)

Hezbullahi

Edited September 8, 2003 by Hezbullahi

[Gypsy]

I voted no because I would prefer permanent marriage for them

[Guest AR]

hmmm,i have to admit....even though i am very supportive of mutah,it does not seem so good when someone would approach me for my family.definatly not the mother,but whereas the sister and daughter are concerned,i would exmamine the mans background etc in detail,before accepting them

[shiaofhussayn]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I'm asking this question out of curiosity because the other day a sheikh was telling my friend how good mut'a is and how society needs it etc.. but when my friend asked him (just to test) if he could do mut'a with his daughter he refused and got angry. (Hypocricy if you ask me

loooool. nice going for your friend. i wonder if these are the kinda "sheikhs" that Imam (as) will cut off their head when he comes.

as for the question, though i am not an anti-muta, but i sstill would not let another dude, doing with my sister or daughter or mother. hm.. but i wonder if we could have athority with our moms even to someextent. but yea as for my sis and daughter, i would probably let him do muta wiht my sis and daughter, ONLY AFTER doing background research on the man and try to get all that necessary info.

wasalaaam

fi amanillah

[Hannibal]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Why am I not convinced that you would agree even after a backround check ? (if you were actually confronted)

(salam)

Hezbullahi

Edited September 8, 2003 by Hezbullahi

[Guest abaleada]

(bismillah)

(salam)

There wasn't an option asking us if we would object if our female relatives offered themselves in zawaj ul mut`ah.

[SadrasStudent]

Definitely - so long as he were a good Muslim. Why? Considering my own attempted (albeit throughly unsuccessful) pursuit of muta, I would be a total hypocrite to say no. What is good for the goose is good for the gander (or in this case vice versa).

[Ehsan]

Salam

When it comes to my mother, I'm protective like a hard shell covering the pearl of her being.

I would be like that wether Muta or not (that is perm.), I wont answer what would happen as I'm not sure...but for now she has my dad. :D

And I don't have any sisters so I can't answer that one.

Anyway I'd be carefull, as many men abuse, but I think one adopts after the situation.

No definite answer, just that I care for my mother and only want her best (may that be muta or not).

[jlainqatar]

Selam alaycom,

Just curious, was the sheikh's daughter divorced or widowed? If not, I can understand his reaction. However, most men do have double standards. Muta is ok for them, but not for their female relatives. If a girl is a virgin, I doubt if many fathers would give her permission for mutah. (it's makruh). However, if she is divorced or a widow, she doesn't need anyone's permission to do muta. Ofcourse ethically, she should consult her family and see the man's background. Muta is for when permanent marriage is not possible or practical. There may be times when a widow or divorced woman needs a husband. Muta is the halal alternative to the haram aldultery/fornication. Imam Ali (as) said: If it wasn't for Omar, nobody would have committed adultery/fornication except the incorrigible.....

Peace,

Um Ali

[Socrates]

(salam)

Its a good question

:lol:@ the sheikh

A similiar situation happened to sheikh here in London *no names* Anyways, I probably would say definitely no to my mother, my sister I'd be pretty conservative too, as for daughters, I'll think about it.

[Zoya]

>>>Woud you give your daughter,sister or mother (if widowed or divorced) for muta to another man???<<<

I think the question itself is wrong. As someone has already mentioned, "if widowed or divorced", your daughter/sister/mother does not need your prior permission for muta. So even if you weren't happy with their muta contract, I doubt if there'd be much you could do about it. Cheer up guys, it saves you from being hypocrites! :)

I would like to know to what degree of necessity is it that a virgin needs to ask the permission of male guardians/relative in order to contract muta?

[shiaofhussayn]

as for the question, though i am not an anti-muta, but i sstill would not let another dude, doing with my sister or daughter or mother. hm.. but i wonder if we could have athority with our moms even to someextent. but yea as for my sis and daughter, i would probably let him do muta wiht my sis and daughter, ONLY AFTER doing background research on the man and try to get all that necessary info.

that was what bro shiaofhussayn said. however, I want take this back and actually say that, since i Just relised that my family arent Shias, I dont think a man (from the sunni bros, since they have already said no to marrying shia bro) would come and do muta with them, since they dnt belive in it. and same for my sis, so that means i can only have a say on my daughter which I would allow it, after investigatin and research on the brother.

wasalaaam

fi amanillah

[ya imam mehdi]

(bismillah)

Salam,

Well I think i wouldnt mind for my daughter but there would be strict restrictions...i.e. no sex. I mean if my daughter wanted to get to know somebody I would rather everything be done in the halal way. So they are free to talk and be free with each other but have some restrictions on them. Get me??

Well i brought this up to my hubby and he flipped out on me..lol. He's like once u mention the word muta to a guy and girl they are gonna get the impression its ok to have relations. Since they know its all halal. I dont know he makes a valid point but i would hate for anything haram to ever take place. Its a tough decision. I guess it depends on the child. Wasalam

[naaz_aneen]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I'm asking this question out of curiosity because the other day a sheikh was telling my friend how good mut'a is and how society needs it etc.. but when my friend asked him (just to test) if he could do mut'a with his daughter he refused and got angry. (Hypocricy if you ask me)

I would like to know all of your honest opinions

(salam)

Hezbullahi

hypocrisy indeed...

[Imam]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I think I can settle this dispute once and for all by froviding an illuminating hadeeth from Imam Sadeq which will also (regrettibly) destroy hebollahi's statement where he said "[i think it's] hypocracy if you ask me":

"A man aksed Imam Al Sadq about the premissibility of Mut'ah and the Imam replied by saying it is Halal without a doubt. Then the man asked the Imam if he could do Mut'ah with his daughter (imam's daughter) so the Imam simply looked away and turned his head from the man" meaning that the permissibility of Mut'ah is one issue, while me giving you my daughter is another.

I may not want to give you my daughter or mother (not that I have a choice for my mother or even divorced/widowed daughter) but that does not mean Mut'ah as a Hukm is not allowed. Just as many sons might not like the idea of their mothers re-marrying another person after their father dies. That doesn't mean, though, that the mother is not allowed to get married.

Next time, bro hezbollahi, be a little more considerate when attaking a sheikh or anyone else for that matter.

(salam)

[Aboo Fatimah]

How is it that more people said NO, see the selfishness that goes on around here?

Pure example.

[pasdar1]

How is it that more people said NO, see the selfishness that goes on around here?

Pure example.

Salam un Alaykum,

Selfishness? How did you reach that conclusion? Marrying 4 wives is Halal, just becuase I wouldn't want my mother to be someone's third wife does not mean I am selfish does it? Just becuase muta is halal, does not mean it is wajib for everyone to do it. There are people in situations which it becomes practically wajib on them, or people that Need to be someones second wife {I have spoken to a sister that said this "now I understand why polygomy is allowed in Islam" becuase of her situation}.

Iltemas e dua

Khodahafiz

[Guest abaleada]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I think I can settle this dispute once and for all by froviding an illuminating hadeeth from Imam Sadeq which will also (regrettibly) destroy hebollahi's statement where he said "[i think it's] hypocracy if you ask me":

"A man aksed Imam Al Sadq about the premissibility of Mut'ah and the Imam replied by saying it is Halal without a doubt. Then the man asked the Imam if he could do Mut'ah with his daughter (imam's daughter) so the Imam simply looked away and turned his head from the man" meaning that the permissibility of Mut'ah is one issue, while me giving you my daughter is another.

I may not want to give you my daughter or mother (not that I have a choice for my mother or even divorced/widowed daughter) but that does not mean Mut'ah as a Hukm is not allowed. Just as many sons might not like the idea of their mothers re-marrying another person after their father dies. That doesn't mean, though, that the mother is not allowed to get married.

Next time, bro hezbollahi, be a little more considerate when attaking a sheikh or anyone else for that matter.

(salam)

(bismillah)

(salam)

Imam, none of us here is a scholar of ahadith, so none of us knows a.) whether the hadith is sound b.) whether it has been translated properly c.) what the proper explanation of it is d.) whether it has the same application in fiqh as we assume of it e.) how to interpret it f.) whether we are viewing the whole hadith or whether that was a portion of another hadith.

I have seen other ahadith discussing people who wanted to marry a daughter of one of the A'immahy (as) and being rehjected on the basis of lack in peership - the same reason that Bibi Fatimah was not married to any of the other companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). I can't remember when or where I heard this, tho, so don't take my word for it.

What I do know is that I'm not going to base my fiqh on any or every hadith that I happen to see. I'm not knowledgeable enough for that.

[FreedomFighter]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I'm asking this question out of curiosity because the other day a sheikh was telling my friend how good mut'a is and how society needs it etc.. but when my friend asked him (just to test) if he could do mut'a with his daughter he refused and got angry. (Hypocricy if you ask me)

I would like to know all of your honest opinions

(salam)

Hezbullahi

hypocrisy indeed...

Salam Alaikum,

is it really? hypocricy is a pretty strong word...I would just see the Sheikh's response as a parental instinct...whenever you question a father regarding their daughter, especially in such a manner, it's human nature for the father to become emotional, if not angry...and like brother pasdar1 said, muta is HALAL, but it's not WAJIB...

Wa'Alaikum Salam

[nur allaa nur]

(salam)

I personally will have to disagree with Muta altogether because the young youth, especially where i live in London

are abusing the rules of Muta <_< , as i have heard. I would rather marry someone for permenant marriage and not

one that had been around doing Muta.

But in this day and age i will never know if the guy im gona marry has been doing Muta and abusing it....... :cry:

I think ideally for this 'Modern' soceity there is no need for anyone really to do Muta :rolleyes:

(salam)

[*smile*]

(salam)

I personally will have to disagree with Muta altogether because the young youth, especially where i live in London

are abusing the rules of Muta <_< , as i have heard. I would rather marry someone for permenant marriage and not

one that had been around doing Muta.

But in this day and age i will never know if the guy im gona marry has been doing Muta and abusing it....... :cry:

I think ideally for this 'Modern' soceity there is no need for anyone really to do Muta :rolleyes:

(salam)

Just becoz, mut'a is misused by misguided ppl..doesnt mean, mut'a itself is wrong, nore is Allah's rule wrong. :Hijabi:

[Hannibal]

(bismillah)

(salam)

I would like to thank you all for taking the time to vote and post your honest opinions. May Allah(swt) bless you all.

Now I have a set of questions I want to ask.

What are your opinions on:

1) Legalising prostitution in iran in the name of muta. Do you believe it to be halal, if so, would you morally accept this ?

2) A person asked Ayatollah Araki in london if a woman could do muta for the sake of money only and he said it was halal, is there any truth to this ? If so, what is your opinion regarding it.Is it morally right ?

3) What is your opinon on a mother who constantly does muta (within the limit of when she can re-do muta again) and what effect do you think it would have on the child ? Is this as well, according to you, morally right ?

4) Do you believe there should be a reform regarding the rules of muta ? Should they be even more open or should there be restrictions and halal only under certain circumstances ? Whatever your answer is, could you explain your opinion?

By the way, please dont take this as if I'm against muta, i'm only asking these questions out of curiosity.

(salam)

Hezbullahi

[Gypsy]

1) Legalizing prostitution in Iran in the name of muta. Do you believe it to be halal, if so, would you morally accept this ?

I am against it. You cant turn marriage into prostitution or money making business. Some of the concern here would be : The Iddah(waiting period) and The number of partner a women have will promote risk of venereal diseases or worse AIDS.

This would also upset the community or family structure when people would go to search professional women for muta. Women should not be resort to being a chattel..a marriage should be treated as a marriage.

2) A person asked Ayatollah Araki in london if a woman could do muta for the sake of money only and he said it was halal, is there any truth to this ? If so, what is your opinion regarding it.Is it morally right ?

yes, it is halal to do muta for money because even for marriage, the women get mahar and they get financial support from their husband . A lot of women do not have means to support themselves and if they are widow or divorcee with kids, they need source of income. And Men are supposed to take care of women in Islamic society.

3) What is your opinon on a mother who constantly does muta (within the limit of when she can re-do muta again) and what effect do you think it would have on the child ? Is this as well, according to you, morally right ?

I would need to know what is her reason for muta. I don’t think kid can accept different men living with his/her mother and then one day the men sort of disappear. But it is not easy for every woman to get married if they are not in a very good position

4) Do you believe there should be a reform regarding the rules of muta ? Should they be even more open or should there be restrictions and halal only under certain circumstances ? Whatever your answer is, could you explain your opinion?

Actually they is nothing wrong with ruling for muta. The problem is with human being. I don’t think people will have the capability to treat these rules with respect and dignity unless/except you can make human a decent human being and install good moral values.

Edited September 10, 2003 by Zareen

[guest123]

hi peeps , salamz

i wouldnt and have never done mutah , but i do support mutah when ppls are in a difficult circumstances where they cant hold their feelings and do mutah , rather then commiting zinah ,i would never give my daughter or sister to a guy who only wnats to do mutah , without giving her a solid guarantee of taking care for her or marry her and stay the rest of his life with her ....there was a guy who posted for searching a woman for having mutah while he was married...

i know a guy who has a website about matchmaking mutah....like u have matriminial sites or dating sites he has a mutah matching site where girls and guys can post their profiles and who r looking for a mutah partner some of them are only for mutah others(majority) are for first temp marriage with mutah leading to nikah /marriage !

well this really doesnt fit in my stomach it sounds so weird and which i would never ever do in my life! u dont know this other person never seen him dont know his background , why the hell woul d u go for him and have mutah -> which is in other words just having sex with him ?

is this wrong ? or a good deed for the community having such a site

cuz i have been thinking and thinking and it just doesnt fit in my head :unsure:

Edited September 10, 2003 by queen_punk

[LaYdee_110]

muta i fink shud only b dun by widowed ppl or ppl dat single parents or so.

[Akhi]

muta was used mainly at war, at the time of the prophet, not as a casual thing.

[LaYdee_110]

well said

[wilayah]

i am not an anti-muta, but i sstill would not let another dude, doing with my sister or daughter or mother. hm.. but i wonder if we could have athority with our moms even to someextent.

(bismillah)

(salam)

you dont have authority over your mum or sister. The only authority you have is over your daughter and only if she is a virgin.

[Pervez]

Regarding Prostitution being legalised because of Muta I would be carefull before making such accusations.

Given that the Iddat after Muta is 45 days even if a woman entered into another muta the next day after her iddat period she will be able to do so only 8 times a year.

To make money (as appossed to survive) a prostitute using Muta to legalise her activites will have to make a lot of money for just one day of pleasure to her customers. She will have to make enough money to survive through her iddat period. While there may be people who will give such large sums for one (or few days) of pleasure I doubt if this can be a common practice which will affect socitey to any sizeble extent.

of course there is the question of wether the woman observes her Iddat period. I would think that she would be commiting some kind of crime(if not Zinah) if she did not observe her iddat period.

Then comes the question who is to check such a crime. This I think should be the job of the state. Im not sure but I think that muta is permitted without need for compulsary documentation. I do not know the Islamic reasons behind this but Im guessing that a Modern state could make it compulsary to have written documnets for Muta and perhaps registration of it would help too.

In such a scenario the woman not observing the Iddat period could be punished severly thus the window of opportunity for prostitutes to exploit Muta for their work would be substantialy reduced.

Apart from this there is the general issue of Muta being indiscrimately being used by the genreral population or a section of the population. Prehaps regualting and doucmenting the Muta agreements will be of some help in reduce its indiscrimate use. That apart social education and pressure should keep its indiscrimate use.

Regarding the hadith quoted... the conclusion (as read from the english presentation given here) is wrong. The man asked the Imam wethere Muta was right and got the right answer. Then he proceeded to ask whether the Imam will give his daughter to him in Muta. Now where does it say in the hadith that the man was a person who was fit to be in Muta with the Imam's daughter, where does it say wether the Imam's daughter was agreeable for Muta with this man? To reach to the conclusion that Imam showed hypocricy is wrong based on this hadith.

Also since we do not know about the status of Imams daughter being virgin or not at that point of time we cannot draw any conclusions relating to muta and its applicablity and the decisions of the parties involved.

It is best that hadiths are quoted with full information and with logical conclusions drawn out of them or not quoted at all.

[abdullah]

salam

muta is not limited to war. it is some thing that is as natural part of life an is nikah. their might be conditions in which it might even become wajib for some one

[Guest YA ZAHRA]

(bismillah)

Assalaamu Alaikum

Generally speaking, if a man who is trusted and has good intetions wanted my daughter (if i had one that is) in a muta marriage, then it is likely that i would accept; especially if permanent marriage was to follow.

However, if someone asks this simply to try to refute the concept of muta in its essence, then obviously i dont anything to do with him.

Wasalaam

[abdullah]

salam

i think every muslim who fears to fall into zana and cannot afford to marry has the right to do muta. thats emiough of a reason and shall be concidered a very good intention. holy intention

[Hannibal]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Now for my opinion:

It is not wajib for one to accept his daughter,sister or mother doing mut'a with another man. I believe that the question can be turned in many ways, such as would you accept your daughter marrying an uneducated smelly idiot who dosnt have one cent in his pocket? Obviously the majority would say no even though it would be islamically HALAL. So it all ends up to our own choice.

One would say that muta degrades the status of women. Well I believe that is sexual discrimination since men can go sleeping with hundreds of women through his life time yet no one cares but when a girl decides to have a relationship with different men during her life time, she is labled a prostitute.

Some will argue that the status of women is regarded highly in islam (which is true) so mut'a would be something dirty, if we take the argument of this person, what will he say about men being able to sleep with as many of his slave women even after his 4 wives ?

I would like to thank my shia brothers and sisters (again) in taking the time in replying to this thread. I hope I didnt offend any of you with it, and if I did I am very sorry and know that I would never do this on purpose since I consider all my shia brothers and sisters here parts of my heart ..

If I made any mistakes then may Allah(swt) guide me and if I said something right then all praise is to Allah(swt) and him only.

(salam)

Hezbullahi

[Guest abaleada]

(salam)

I have heard that mut`ah is a Prophetic sunnah and a sunnah of the Ahlul Bayt. If it is, and if we go around saying that it degrades women, then we're not speaking properly about our Prophet and Imams. Allahumma salli `ala Muhammad wa aale Muhammad.

And if we go with what we know for certain - that Prophet Muhammad defined it for us as halal, and so did all of the A'immah; so who are we to declare a halal that was declared halal by the Prophet and A'immah as degrading? What right do we have to do such a thing? It seems a if we have no right whatsoever, because of what the Qur'an says?

Thoughts?

[Guest ShhItsSecret]

I am disregarding alot of the replies here as this discussion is age old.

1. Let's not jump to conclusions on our shiekh. He isn't perfect nor am I nor are you... let's ask Allah to forgive us all. And not to forget to make an excuse for our brother/sister .... (something im learning to do now).... maybe he knew something ill of ur friend, maybe he has someone in mind for his daughter already, perhaps she is planning something over her own etc etc etc.... ASSUME THE BEST ALWAYS! inshaAllah

2. I would give my daughter in mutah. I would try to talk to her as much as possible about waiting for her perm marriage to get to the actual intercourse but in the end I wouldn't hold her from mutah. It is her mercy from Allah.

3. As for my mother, if she was widowed, I'D BEG HER TO REMARRY. Allah says nothing about widows staying unmarried. I don't know why Muslim widows tend not to remarry. I think this is outrageous. If my husband (im not married) were to die, I'd believe he'd want me to have a good man. He wouldn't be jealous or anything. inshaAllah he would even tell me Dear wife, please remarry... I look at my aunt and I wish she'd be married. I wish she wouldn't have to be alone. Yes she avoids relations with a man cause she is devot christian but still... to have someone....to havea companion is a natural desire and it's horrible to have to hold back good years waiting till your 30 years old to marry.

(companion meaning one you are or are not having sex with....a friend)

4. I'd give myself in Mutah... why not? I am female with desires. (and all the cultural muslims scream or rather whisper knowing them [Edited Out]!! ...and why I ask? cause I am practicing Islam ie Mutah?? )

This way of looking at mutah is killing our ummah.(Of course I dont mean the lack of mutah is the only thing killing our ummah) WE NEED MORE MUTAH going on in my opinion. Plenty of times I have seen good MUSLIMS wonder and fade away into fornication because a lack of mutah and the cultural stigmas towards Mutah.

Let's think about it...

Here we have this sweet muslim girl who loves Allah and works on her deen but finds herself thinking of sex (and this goes for men too). She is thinking about it alot and she tries to supress her desires but still she thinks about it. She starts thinking of sins ... and eventually it leads to sin.

Now think of a sweet muslim girl who loves Allah and practices her deen. She notices she has desires and tried to get rid of them. She is unable to remove them and she notices she is thinking of sin. She thinks proactively and engages in Mutah....She now doesn't think about sex because she is having a healthy relationship with a pious brother. She is praying harder and recieving the benefits of being married in reward inshaAllah... she is happier and in better moods....

This is why Allah gave us mutah as a mercy to the believers.

And brothers, catching yourself unable to lower your gaze? unable to focus on the important things like prayer, salat, etc ? Mutah might be your answer cause it is known that when you desire something so strongly and then get it, your desire tends to lesson and you become content.

This comes from experince. I never hada mutah but I mean from experince with others stories and even I have asked about mutah and soon enough it hit...

"she is boy crazy"

"she is loose"

"she is too american"

"guys have sex with the christian girls not the muslim ones..."

Absurd...

just plan absurd

Allah forgive us all...ameen thuma ameen

-Secret