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Ayatullah khameni - What did he do?

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Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I considered to him to be the most learned marji' of his time...and I was at some site, it indicated the report from some American agency, that the Fatwas of Ayatollah Shirazi(ra) kept the American govts. away from attacking Iran

What fatwas by ayatollah Shirazi kept america from attacking Iran?

I think we should respect the scholars, these arguments are not necessary.

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There were two Ayatollah Shirazi's in history.

The first Ayatollah Shirazi was the one who stood against the oppressive foreign policies of the British Tabacco company. He made smoking prohibitied until Iran got its fair share. This was one of the first times the Marja'a had such political power. Even the Shah of Iran of that time could not sneak in a smoke because his servants would refuse to light him up. It was not long till British gave in to the Iranian demands.

Power of Ayatollah.... mashaAllah.

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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In His Name, the Most High

Salaams

Shabbirh What do you mean to say?? that the Late Ayatollah Al-Udhma Imam Shirazi(ra) was from the party of Satan (naudubillah) or what???

I considered to him to be the most learned marji' of his time...and I was at some site, it indicated the report from some American agency, that the Fatwas of Ayatollah Shirazi(ra) kept the American govts. away from attacking Iran

I dont know how can you say that Ayatollah Khameini is true, and all others so many Ayatollahs are/were from the party of Satan..(may Allah forgive us) ???

Br Peer Saheb, you have gotten the two Shirazi's mixed up.

Go do some research bro - the Shirazi I am talking about is the one who was a self-declared "Marja'" - and who said things against the system of Wilayah.

Bottom line is simple, those who are not supporting the system of Wilayah, are obviouly with those who are opposing it - even if they "abstain" and have "no opinion" - since we know from Islam teaching, to not rise up in the face of oppression is to give tacit support to it.

This is obvious.

Hence, those who are against the system of Wilayah (in the Absence of our beloved Imam al-Mahdi(May our souls be his ransom)) are the same who will question the authority of al-Mahdi(AJ) - they deny this now, but mark my words, they will deny Imam al-Mahdi(AJ).

If someone is against the Wilayah system, then they have an issue with one of the Usul (foundations) of the religion - the concept of Imamate - since Wilayah is a simple extention to that for the time in which Imam al-Mahdi(AJ) is in occultation.

Being against the Wilayah is akin to being on the side of the mutakkabireen (arrogant powers).  This is simple.

If you follow the Wilayah system, you already have that one leader, and when Imam al-Hujjah(AJ) comes, its just a question of Imam al-Mahdi(AJ) taking the riegns of power.  Simple.

(That is a hugely simplified explanation of the Wilayah, for more information - read Islamic Government by Imam al-Khumayni(A), or contact me via islamicdigest.net or e-jihad.net and we can discuss this further.

Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

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bismillah

brothers and sisters,

shame! we do not wish such things upon our own enemies, and yet you say such things to fellow muslims brothers, for disagreeing on a [b:post_uid0]concept[/b:post_uid0]. Not a FUNDAMENTAL as some have put it. The only fundamentals I know, are Justice, Tawhid, Nubuwah, Imamah, and Judgement day.

For those who believe that the present leader of The Islamic Republic of Iran (may Allah strengthen it) is in that category, could you please show me the quranic verse or the hadith, because to the best of my knowledge, our Imams are 12, may the souls of the believers be sacrificed for them.

The 12th Imam (as) left a council when he went into occultation, that consisted of a number of men, not one. The Imam did not claim that they were ma3soom (protected) from sinning, nor did Allah purify them, but he, who had Allah as his guide, chose not one but a number of men to make desicions.

Also, who was the Wilayat al Faqih pre-1980, why is there this following of him like he is divinely appointed all of a sudden, and how does disagreeing with the concept (made by man) cause someone to leave the realm of Islam. I understand that men like Sayed Khomeini (ra) and Sayed Khamenei are against these ideas, but to disagree with these great men does not make someone a kaffir. I would just like to hear why men of many years of religion are being treated like this.

ALI

wa salam

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(salam)

[b:post_uid0]Shabbirh[/b:post_uid0]: so does it mean that every Grand Ayatollah, who (in any way) think that this system of Wilayah is not right, is a satan??

This system of wilayah was put by a Grand Ayatollah, and another Grand Ayatollah has a right to oppose it..

This system wasn't put forward by any of our Imam or any sinless body....

and may be those u think, will be against the Imam, will be among his companions and others will be on the other side?? I'd ask you not to make just hypothesis statements...about which you aren't sure...

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(salam)

Sayid Khamene'i has even recommended that people in Iran follow someone other than him. He has said that there are enough marjas for people to choose someone other than himself.  I believe this is because his position puts certain time restraints on him, and he isn't able to be as accessable to his Muqallid as he would like to be.

Well, do you know that Qama zani (matam with a knife) is banned in Iran now??

[b:post_uid0]WHY?[/b:post_uid0]

because Agha Khamenei thinks, that it is Haram? but what about those Iranians who are following Aqai Khui, or Ayatollah Seestani or Ayatollah Imam Muhammad Shirazi??

(Ayat. Shirazi has even encouraged it)

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Salam Alaykom,

I am posting again in this topic, becuase some narrow-minded people have gone too far.

Bottom line is simple, those who are not supporting the system of Wilayah, are obviouly with those who are opposing it - even if they "abstain" and have "no opinion" - .

That is funny, becuase many scholars are against it.  Not only that, but many that are with the wiliyat al-faqih believe it is implemented wrong.  Many marjie such as Ayatullah Saneei, believe it is being implemented wrong, then the way it has been written up......and Ayatullah Saneei has not been condemned, nor is he under house arrest....he basically speaks the truth.... Syed al-Khoei never accepted or rejected it pubically, perhaps he was "abstaining", but then again as you put it, if you abstain you are against Imam Mahdi (af)

since we know from Islam teaching, to not rise up in the face of oppression is to give tacit support to it

ALLAHU AKABR!! They understand!!!  Oppression can happen in Iran my brothers and sisters.......it can happen, Iran is NOT sinless.  I believe oppression is occuring in Iran against scholars.  

No im not rebelling, i am rising up for their rights by speaking out...The Holy Prophet said: "The one who sees a wrong action done should prohibit it by his deed, if he is capable, of course; and if he cannot do that, he should prohibit it by his tongue, but if he is not able to do even that, he may forbid it by his heart."

Wasa'il-ush-Shi'ah

No i am not against the Revolution, i want it to improve, i am only standing up for what is JUST.

No i am not a with USA ..... i mean seriously, these are the only arguments some people can raise.LOL

No i am not a "shirazi"  which is irrelevant, just liked to point it out as some people love to demonise them, i am a "seestaniya"  :D , my marjei is Syed Seestani (may Allah prolong his life), he too is under "house arrest", being oppressed by Saddam.

Hence, those who are against the system of Wilayah (in the Absence of our beloved Imam al-Mahdi(May our souls be his ransom)) are the same who will question the authority of al-Mahdi(AJ) - they deny this now, but mark my words, they will deny Imam al-Mahdi(AJ).

The issue here isnt the CONCEPT of Wiliyah al-faqih, it is oppression. But, you my brother have just called millions of muslims and alot of scholars Kufr (since if you reject one Imam, you reject the Prophet Muhammed saws).....

but mark my words, they will deny Imam al-Mahdi(AJ).
 You, as you said about Syed Shirazi was a self-decalred marjei (may Allah help you from your narrowmind), you have just made a self-declaration you have knowledge of the future.  "MARK MY WORDS", no offence brother, but we do not care what your words are, how dare you say people that are not with a concept, have indeed rejected Imam Mahdi (may Allah hasten his reappearance, to show the world the true JUST government)....SHAME on you.  

Being against the Wilayah is akin to being on the side of the mutakkabireen (arrogant powers).  This is simple.

Shame on you....... What if there is oppression under this wiliyah???..... Syed Khoemeini said  "Anyone who governs a country is responsible for all oppression that happens within the country regardless of whether he has knowledge of it or not, so therefore Shah was an opressor and a tyrant"

Hmm........i believe oppression is occurring under Iran today against certain scholars, does this make me with the side of USA....i have to laugh at your arguments, i mean.....seriously.......

You think people are "against" Iran because they protest against the treatment of scholars, you straight away term people anti-revolutionary, therefore anti-Iran, therefore anti-wiliyah therefore anti-Imam Mahdi (astagfriallah) and therefore KUFR............these are the same arguments people always make, and they are tunnel vision, narrow minded, sick views.  May Allah help you.

By the way, is Islam against protests??  This is protesting against injustice.....especailly in terms of a fallible government.  Imam Ali as used to go address the greviences of all the people after his sermons and used to try and solve them personally.  

If you follow the Wilayah system, you already have that one leader, and when Imam al-Hujjah(AJ) comes, its just a question of Imam al-Mahdi(AJ) taking the riegns of power.  Simple.

lol....your funny.  No sorry not that simple....you are very simple like George Bush thats for sure (you are either with us or against us)

The Holy Prophet said: "There will come a time for my Ummah when their rulers will be cruel, their scholars will be greedy and have little piety, their worshippers (will act) hypocritically, their merchants will commit usury and conceal the defects of their buyings and sellings and their women will be busy with the ornaments of the world. Hence, at this time, the most vicious of them will dominate over them, and their good doers will invocate but they will not be answered."

Bihar-uI-Anwar

The Ummah leaders (hence the 's', plural), not leader, will be cruel, even the scholars.  This is where Imam Mahdi as will come in and say this is what a JUST government is.  

Im sorry to tell you this, but no one is like Imam Mahdi.  No wiliyat al-faqih is even like him.   The wiliyah is not sinless, and he can be "CRUEL", as the prophet saws said.  Im am not conferring that anyone is cruel..Allah is the judge of that.

The Iranian leader is NOT my sole leader.  Imam Mahdi (may Allah hasten his reappearance) is my leader.  My marjei is Syed Seestani.  I unfortunately did not run in any elections in Iran.  The wiliyah is just another scholar and like [b:post_uid10]all[/b:post_uid10] scholars  they are reps of Imam Mahdi may Allah hasten his reappearance) and Imam Mahdi is my leader.

Hajar

I believe there are some ulema who make such claims. I also believe there are even more people who exagerate every little thing, and make false claims about oppression.

Well, i also believe that there are some people are causing some oppression to scholars.....can i think that, if you think what you said.  Lets keep in mind "Anyone who governs a country is responsible for all oppression that happens within the country regardless of whether he has knowledge of it or not, so therefore Shah was an opressor and a tyrant" Syed Khoemeini (ra).

Those who are creating fitna at this critical time in our history, are doing a great disservice to Islam and the Ummah.

When poeple came up to Imam Ali (as) during his caliphate he addressed their problems.  I think his time was much more crucial.  I am simply putting forward problems that are occuring in Iran (as someone asked in the topic), not triyn to bring it down..like many other people are in Iran, but they have paid the price.

Look, there is a big difference between you and Ayatullah Golaypaygani. He was a graet alim and Marje. He has the right to raise his objections with another Marje. Don't forget that (if I remember correctly)  it was Ayatullah Golaypaygani himself who prayed "Namaz e Janaza" for Imam Khomeini (ra) and was accepted as a leading Marje Taqleed after him.

LOL....yes i am not like Syed Golaypayganni, and no one is like Imam Mahdi as.....

However, i was merely making the point that some injustice did occur as Syed Golaypaganni pointed out!!  That is all.  Because you obviously dont want to believe me, so why cant you believe Syed Golaypaganni.  He spoke out.  thats all i was trying to establish.  He saw a wrong and he spoke out.  Thats what many people do!

"the true arbitration of [the quarrel] between Your Excellency and Ayatollah Shariatmadari ... is in the hands of Almighty God. I deem it necessary to express my intense regret over the events of the burial, which has occurred without the required ceremonies and paying of respects and the covert burial [of his body] in an unsuitable place. I expect now that you will personally provide recompense ... for the insults which have been directed at him and his position as marja-ye taqlid".

There were people who betrayed Imam Ali (as), Imam Hassan (as) and others. It is human nature that not all people agree with something. I am almost sure people will raise doubts when our Imam (ATF) comes.

umm.....one small point....Irans leaders are not Imam Mahdi (as) or anything like the Imams.  They are not infallible.

Yes, many people will raise doubts about our Imam, but it doesnt mean if someone protests about the treatment of the a scholar to a certain falliable government, that is the same as raising doubts to our Imam Mahdi (as)......The Holy Prophet said: "The one who sees a wrong action done should prohibit it by his deed, if he is capable, of course; and if he cannot do that, he should prohibit it by his tongue, but if he is not able to do even that, he may forbid it by his heart."

Wasa'il-ush-Shi'ah

ITS NOT REBELLING, REVOLTING,....it is speaking out, it is protesting, we want justice, that is all.  We are standing up to an oppression.

May Allah bless us all, inshallah, and may Allah hasten the reappearance of our true leader, the true Imam Al-Qaeed, the Just, IMAM MAHDI (as)

O' Allah! We eagerly desire that You assign us to the just, fair Islamic government, (the which is really the rightful government of Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his reappearance). Through his auspicious government, thou reactivate and dearly love Islam and its followers while thou humiliate hypocrisy and the hypocrite. And, in that period, include us among those who invite people unto Thy obedience and lead them to Thy path of guidance; and, endow us the honour and grandeur of both this world and the next.

Bihar-ul-Anwar

 

Wassalam

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Salaam

Well as is clear i follow Ayatollah Seestani (HA). But the truth has to be said. I find it amusing to see the same people claiming Fadlallah is a Marji3 (with no Mujtahid certifying it) are saying Shirazi is not (when he has more than 7 certifying it).

This is just the ignorant world we live in. May Allah bring logic into the minds of people and open their hearts to the truth.

Wasalaam

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(salam)

Well, do you know that Qama zani (matam with a knife) is banned in Iran now??

[b:post_uid0]WHY?[/b:post_uid0]

because Agha Khamenei thinks, that it is Haram? but what about those Iranians who are following Aqai Khui, or Ayatollah Seestani or Ayatollah Imam Muhammad Shirazi??

(Ayat. Shirazi has even encouraged it)

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Salam Alaykom,

Imam Khomeini(ra) spoke against those practices which harm the body.  This is not just from Imam Khamene'i, several mujtahids have ruled that if these practices harm the reputation of Islam or Shias, they should not be done.  

I really don't understand how anyone can agree with this self mutilation.  I know it has become a custom of certain people, but it is an innovation and it is totally irrational.

History records incidents with conduct by Owais Qarani, who hurt himself, breaking his own teeth in grief for the suffering of the Holy Prophet in Ohad.It is a natural attachment to the Holy Imams especially Imam Hussein (as), the King of Martyrs

I really don't understand how anyone can agree with this self mutilation.  I know it has become a custom of certain people, but it is an innovation and it is totally irrational

If you dont understand read up on it.  Perhaps you should ask the following scholars (just a few) how they came to their "irrational" view of allowing it:

al-Sheikh Abdul Kareem al-Ha’ery

The Founder of the current Hawzah in the holy city of Qum.  

“The hitting of swords on the heads (causing bleeding) is alright (allowed) provided there is no harm to the person doing this.  Furthermore no one has the right to prohibit this (hitting the head with sword).  In fact all kinds of TA’ZIAH – mourning – for SEYYED AL-SHUHADA’ – Imam Hussain – may our souls be sacrificed for him, are MUSTAHAB – desirable deeds.”

The above Fatwa by al-Sheikh Abdul Kareem al-Ha’ery was endorsed and signed by the following eminent Maraje’:

 

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Sheikh Muhammad al-Araki,

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Ridha al-Gulpaygani,

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Shahab-el-Deen al-Mar’ashi al-Najafi,

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Hassan al-Tabataba’e al-Qummi, he was also put under house arrest

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad al-Waheedi,

Al-Imam al-Sheikh Muhammad Hussain al-Naa’ini,

The teacher of the Maraje’ of the holy city of Najaf.

“There is no doubt as to the permissibility of the beating of the chest and the face with the hands to the point of redness or blackness (of the chest or the face).  This is also extended to the lashing of the shoulders and the back with chains to the extent mentioned (above), and even if this led to bleeding.  As for causing the bleeding of the head by sword beating, this is also allowed provided it does not lead to endangering harm, such as unstoppable bleeding or harm to the scull, etc. as it is known amongst the experts in doing this (hitting on the head).”

The above Fatwa by al-Imam al-Sheikh Muhammad Hussain al-Naa’ini was endorsed and signed by the following eminent Maraje’:

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Mohsen al-Hakim,

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Muhammad Kaadhem al-Shari’atMadari,  

Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid Abd-el-A’la al-Sabzewary

Ayatollah Khorasani

[b:post_uid0]Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid al-Kho’i [/b:post_uid0]

The former leader of the Hawzah of the holy city of Najaf.

 Question:Is there any problem with causing the bleeding of the head – TATBIR – as it is practiced, to express one’s grief about the martyrdom of our Imam Hussain peace be upon him, assuming there is going to be no permanent harm?

 Answer:

There is no problem with that, given the assumption made in the question, and Allah knows best.

Question:

You stated that there is no problem in causing the bleeding of the head – known as TATBIR – if it does not lead to harm.  It is said that it is not more than a permissible act, then can TATBIR be MUSTAHAB – desirable – if the intention was the upholding and honouring the Sha’a’er – signs of Allah – and sympathy with the Ahl-ul-Bayt, peace be upon them?

 

Answer:

Most probably Allah Almighty would give thawab – reward (the individual) – for sympathising with the Ahl-ul-Bayt if the intention is sincere.

[b:post_uid0]Ayatullah Syed Ali Seestani [/b:post_uid0]

Question:

What is the ruling regarding the lashing with chains, chest beating, and walking on fire on the occasion of mourning the martyrdom of Imam Hussain peace be upon him?

Answer:

If (these are) not associated with extreme harm or loss of limb, there is no objection.

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Langaroudi (may Allah Almighty protect him)

Salaam upon the Lovers of Imam Hussain

In our opinion since Aba Abdillah al-Hussain alayhis-salam is Thar-Allah, the Blood of Allah, then it would be appropriate, but in fact imperative that for the Blood of Allah, the blood of the creatures of Allah is shed. Therefore not only Qama-Zani is permissible, but it is also regarded as one of the Sha'a'er and it has great, and extensive Thawab (reward).

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Behjat (may Allah Almighty protect him)

In the case of it not being harmful, there is no problem with it.

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Safi Gulpaygani (may Allah Almighty protect him)

For the Azadari (mourning) of Sayyid al-Shuhada, Master of the Martyrs, if it does not accompany unusual harm, then there is absolutely no problem with it.

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Mirza Jawad Tabrizi (may Allah Almighty protect him)

There is no objection Qama-Zani in its own right.

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Sadiq Rouhani (may Allah Almighty protect him)......a scholar who has unfortunately been oppressed as well

To do Qama-Zani is a very good act indeed, and to perform Qama-Zani in public enhances the excellence of this act, and if one is harmed in the process, the reward (Thawab) for this act will be increased even further.

One of the things that I regret not doing is that I did not have the honour to perform this great practice, and now that I am old and frail, I am unable to perform it.

In any case, from all the people who have had the honour to perform this religious symbol I wish to ask them to pray for me after performing Qama-Zani.

woops the next is a Shirazi, i hope people can handle it...lol

Fatwa of Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Sadiq Shirazi (may Allah Almighty protect him)

Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim

To perform Qama-Zani, whether in secret or in public, and other kinds of Azadari for Sayyid al-Shuhada Aba Abdillah al-Hussain - may my soul be his sacrifice and peace and blessings of Allah be upon him - brings about the pleasure of Allah Almighty as well as Imam Mahdi - may Allah hasten his reappearance - InSha'Allah.

{And he who glorifies the Sha'a'er of Allah, surely it is from the piety of the hearts.} [The Holy Qur'an: Ayah 32 of Surah al-Hajj].

Ayatollah al-Udhma Abtahi

If it does not cause death, or unbearable harm, it should not be prohibited. For Allah is the Knower and Helper to the good.

ohh no, another Shirazi, sorry people...i know some people dont like to see this name....

Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Shirazi.

Question

What is your position of Zanjeer and the use of knives, blades, and hooked Chains to shed your own blood during Muharram ... Is this sort of act haraam, halaal or makrooh? Is this the Sunnah of the Ahl-ul-Bayt at all?

Answer

The shedding of blood during Muharram for Imam Hussain, peace be upon him, is not only Halaal, but it is also very Mustahab indeed, and all PROMINANT scholars and religious authorities - Maraje' - always encouraged it throughout the history of Islam. This included the Tatbir or Qamah-Zani - which is the hitting of the head with swords. The Maraje' have even decreed that it is acceptable and permissible if one is harmed in this process, provided of course the injuries sustained do not constitute permanent injuries or endanger the life of the individual.

Also Syed Khoei and Syed Seestani allowed it.

View Point of Quaid-e-Millat-e-Jafariya Pakistan Agha Syed Hamid Ali Shah Moosavi

Qama and Zanjeer zani are in fact for the protection of divine law, honour of Shariat-e-Mustafawi and dissemination of Murtazawi thinking and teaching as well as promotion of Shabbiri objectives and elevation and eminence of Islamic world.

Many scholars have said it is ok.  It depends on your scholar.  Tatbeer is not the issue here, it is oppression.  Peer Syed, made a good point.  Most scholars allow it, but becuase Syed Khamanei does not allow it, it is illegal in Iran. This is another form of oppression, not allowing people to practice their religious rites.

Wassalam

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Salaam alaikum,

Imam Khomeini(ra) spoke against those practices which harm the body.  This is not just from Imam Khamene'i, several mujtahids have ruled that if these practices harm the reputation of Islam or Shias, they should not be done.  

I really don't understand how anyone can agree with this self mutilation.  I know it has become a custom of certain people, but it is an innovation and it is totally irrational.

WaSalaam, Hajar

Define mutilation....

Because isn't Tattooing a form of mutilation as well? What about piercing the ears?

There are many other things that also hurt the repuation of Islam as well. Not just Zanjeer Matam.

Since was all innovation wrong? There many other forms of innovation in Shi'i Islam....

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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May Allah Bless all our Ulama and save the Islamic Republic of Iran from the enemies of Islam.

Let us all strive to understand better the circumstances inside Iran in order to prosper. Denying that there is a problem is the source of the problem in my view.

Wasalaam

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bismillah

salam alaikom

brother dhulfiqar, forget mutilation, thats a whole other subject, the fact that it makes us look bad it makes shia look bad, we get attackd for the way we do wodho, we dont need this. personaly i would love to do it once but i dont need to make shia look bad, if i get the guts ill do it at home, not in the sreet making my whole country and my deen look bad.  

we have to sray with the world politics or we will be discarded as a kufr deen(according to others, we know its not true).

wasalam

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Salams,

I dont understand the logic behind this debate. Both YA ZAHRA and Ya Ali follow Sayyed Seestani. Why dont you ask his opinion on these issues. Ask him what he says about Wilayat Faqih and other issues and follow his advise if you are a true muqalid. Why make this an issue.

Was-Salam.

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The concept of Wilayat Al-Faqh is a socondary issue. We all want the best for the Shia of this world including those beloved Shia in Iran. The Islamic Revolution was a great phase in history and no Alim is against the Revolution that i know of. The dispute is on how to best preserve the revolution and help Islam prosper in the country.

On the concept of Wilayat Al-Faqh, Ayatollah Seestani says every Mujtahid has the position and responsibility of Wilayat Al-Faqih.

Wasalaam

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Salam Alaykom

As i have said before.  Many scholars have said it is ok.  It depends on your scholar.  Tatbeer is not the issue here, it is oppression.  Peer Syed, made a good point.  Most scholars allow it, but becuase Syed Khamanei does not allow it, it is illegal in Iran. This is another form of oppression, not allowing people to practice their religious rites.

Most recently, Ayatollah Sayed Mohammed Sadeq Rouhani, has also been held under house arrest in Qom for more than 12 years came under pressure from the authorities in mid-1995 after he wrote an open letter to President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, in which he criticized restrictions on traditional religious rites during the mourning period of Ashura; and human rights violations against those who participated in such rites, including arrests and imprisonment of large numbers of people; and the exile, beatings, and reported killings of some.

The issue is oppression, not Tatbeer.

Wassalam

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On the concept of Wilayat Al-Faqh, Ayatollah Seestani says every Mujtahid has the position and responsibility of Wilayat Al-Faqih.

So if he believes in Wilayat Al-Faqih than what is the problem? May be InshaAllah he will implement Islamic Sharia in Iraq some day or help others do it. Why fight on this issue.

What does he say about the so called "oppression" if there is any?

Was-Salam.

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listen little boy, they want to cut themself they can do it at home!!! they dont have to do it in the street and make shia look bad, they can do it at home.

this is our country this is what our brothers blood was shed for this is what our Grand Father gave us by the GRACE OF Allah ALMIGHTY. this is ours and if you mess with it youll get whats coming to you, its as simple as that. you dont like it tuff. i and others have given you plenty of examples but your just a know it all donkey with books, there is no reasoning with you so i dont care anymore.

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brothers and sisters, the question here is the justice of the person claiming such a position. There is nothing wrong with having a single wilayat al faqih, if he is (1) deserving of the role (most knowledgeable)  (2) capable of being just, the problem here has been that a GREAT injustice has been inflicted upon the best of the shia, our scholars, by the person playing that role.

There is nothing wrong with the idea of having a unified leadership, but if there is no man to fit the above conditions, it should be done another way i.e. consultatively etc.

Ali

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Salam Alaykom,

So if he believes in Wilayat Al-Faqih than what is the problem? May be InshaAllah he will implement Islamic Sharia in Iraq some day or help others do it. Why fight on this issue.

What does he say about the so called "oppression" if there is any?

The problem is not Wiliyat Al-faqih, or tatbeer or anything else.  We are fighting on the issue that scholars should not be mistreated, oppressed for their differing views.  Many scholars that are oppressed for e.g. Shiek Montazeri, is the one who helped write out the wiliyat al-faqih, but he believes it is being implemented wrong and in an unjust manner.  This is the similar view of Ayatullah Saneei, the marjei, who alhamdulilah is not under house arrest as yet.  What Seestani said in terms of wiliyat al-faqih is that all scholars have the position....as in it is not 'one' leader.  Syed Shirazi also holds the view of consultation in terms of wiiyat al-faqih, as abdulhasanain pointed out.

Many scholars who are in Iran have raised their voices.  As i said before, even Syed Golaypayganni raised his objections to the "INSULT" as the marjei put it, with the pathetic treatment of Syed Shariatmadari burial.

Wassalam

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listen little boy, they want to cut themself they can do it at home!!! they dont have to do it in the street and make shia look bad, they can do it at home.

"Nothing is more ornamental than courtesy" Imam Ali (as)

Perhaps you should take that in sag-ImamReza.  Well, alhamdulilah i am still young, but i see myself as a young man, not a little boy.  It is ok, you have put me in the category of Holy Schmuck, and i am now a "little boy".  It is ok, i can forgive you, May Allah help you.  I am sure Imam Reza (as) will not be happy with your language.

Lets get back on the topic.  I just showed you all the fatwas of tatbeer.  They believe we can do it, my marjei says i can do it.  Just because a so-called wiliyah al-faqih says no, i can still do it if i want to.  This is my right, but as usual you want to take it away from me as people have been taking the rights of many scholars.

this is our country this is what our brothers blood was shed for this is what our Grand Father gave us by the GRACE OF Allah ALMIGHTY. this is ours and if you mess with it youll get whats coming to you, its as simple as that. you dont like it tuff.

All countries belong to Allah swt.  I believe the Islamic Ummah is one and has no boundaries as it says in the Holy Quran.

"This, your community is a single community and I am your Lord; so worship Me"

Yes alhamdulilah, it was the greatest revolution.  Lots of scholars lost their lives.  All scholars at the time played a role in the revolution.  I pray Iran improves.  However, we must speak the truth at all times.  I will try and  always stand up for justice.

That does not mean im trying to bring a country down does it.  Imam Ali (as) always used to answer the grievances of his people.  So, dont cry, im not trying to mess it up.  Im trying to speak truth and justice.

i and others have given you plenty of examples but your just a know it all donkey with books, there is no reasoning with you so i dont care anymore.

Unfortunately, i do not know it all.  I wish i can grasp a bit of knowledge my brother.  Inshallah that dream comes to me.  Alhamdulilah i do have books, but no that many.  I pray to Allah swt to provide me with as much books as possible, so i can follow the words of our Prophet saws "seek knowledge from the cradle to your grave"

I have already forgiven you for calling me a 'donkey'.  Inshallah Allah forgives you too.

Wassalam

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bismillah

(salam)

sag_IMAM-REZA, why do you resort to insults, that is the sign of one who has nothing intellectual to say. Allah (SW) says in his book, when you say something, bring forth your proofs if ye are truthful. Brother Ya ALi has brought his. Do you have a problem with the truth?

Ali

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Salam Alaykom,

Sayyid Khomeini (ra) says "Anyone who governs a country is responsible for all oppression that happens within the country regardless of whether he has knowledge of it or not, so therefore Shah was an opressor and a tyrant".

Sayyid Khomeini (ra) pulled off the greatest revolution in Iran.  Inshallah it is stengthened and improved.  

The point is that there has been mistreatment against scholars after the revolution, and until now.  Syed Golaypayganni's letter was only one example.  The reasons for mistreatment/oppression has been on issues such mentioned in the above posts.

Allah is the knower of All things, i am not.

Wassalam

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abdul_hasnain.

We have read you views. Why attack other Shias, why cant you let them alone. Why don't you pray to Allah to make conditions so that the other Ulema (that you think are more capable) that they become leaders in thir lands and implement the Sharia of the Prophet (SAWW) and his Ahlul Bait (as).

Khuda Hafiz.

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Salam Alaykom,

Allah is the knower of all things my brother.  As i said, many incidents have taken place throughout the years against scholars.  I have stated my opinion about my these incidents, and so have many others.  

Once again.......Sayyid Khomeini (ra) says,  "Anyone who governs a country is responsible for all oppression that happens within the country regardless of whether he has knowledge of it or not, so therefore Shah was an opressor and a tyrant".

Once again, Orion, Allah is the knower of all things.  

Wassalam

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Salam Alaykom,

Syed Khomeini(ra) lead the greatest revolution.  May Allah reward him for that.  

As i said before, Allah is the knower of all things.

Orion, this topic is not about me, it is about the incidents that have occured and that are occuring.

Allah knows best  

Wassalam

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