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Ya Ali Madad instead of Salam Alaikum ?

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Sallam

Yes it is ...weve had a very long discussion about it before. The Quran is a clear witness of the Islamic greeting being Sallam.

The Noble Qur'an Al-Mujadilah 58:8

Have you not seen those who were forbidden to hold secret counsels, and afterwards returned to that which they had been forbidden, and conspired together for sin and wrong doing and disobedience to the Messenger (Muhammad SAW). And when they come to you, they greet you with a greeting where with Allâh greets you not, and say within themselves: "Why should Allâh punish us not for what we say?" Hell will be sufficient for them, they will burn therein, and worst indeed is that destination!

1) ...when you enter the houses, greet one another with a greeting from Allâh (i.e. say: As-Salâmu 'Alaikum - peace be on you) blessed and good. Thus Allâh makes clear the Ayât (these Verses or your religious symbols and signs, etc.) to you that you may understand. (An-Nur 24:61 )

2) 19:47

Abraham said: "Peace be on thee("salamun alayka"): I will pray to my Lord for thy forgiveness: for He is to me Most Gracious.

3) 28:55

And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you("salamun alaykum"): we seek not the ignorant."

Finally

4) "When those come to you who believe in Our Signs, greet them with As-salamu 'Alaikum, 'May the peace of Allah be upon you'. (6:54)

Therefore we see:

1) There is a specific greeting From Allah.

2) Prophet Abraham used it.

3) We shud greet with Assalamu Alaikum as mentioned in the Quran to those who beleive in the Signs i.e those who are muslims.

Sallam

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Sallam

Yes it is ...weve had a very long discussion about it before. The Quran is a clear witness of the Islamic greeting ebing Sallam.

Yes I am aware of that but why is it that these people (mostly from pakistan) use "ya ali madad" instead of salam alaikum ?

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Sallam

Yes it is ...weve had a very long discussion about it before. The Quran is a clear witness of the Islamic greeting ebing Sallam.

Yes I am aware of that but why is it that these people (mostly from pakistan) use "ya ali madad" instead of salam alaikum ?

Sallam u alaikum

Ahlul Bidah... :rolleyes:

Bro as a pakistani let me tell you that the level of extremism in Pakistan is not shared by any. I guess you can attribute it to the Sectarian killings due to which maybe some ignorant Shias find it necessary to go to extremes regarding Ahly Bait and show the Wahabis/Salafis their belief. Other factors are present to. However bro Ya Ali Madad isnt the only thing. So many tales have been forged regarding Karbala and the Imams that they would be utterly disgraced if they came today. They make stuff into Folk tales. Extreme love does sometimes lead astray.

Sallam

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Sallam

Yes it is ...weve had a very long discussion about it before. The Quran is a clear witness of the Islamic greeting ebing Sallam.

Yes I am aware of that but why is it that these people (mostly from pakistan) use "ya ali madad" instead of salam alaikum ?

Sallam u alaikum

Ahlul Bidah... :rolleyes:

Bro as a pakistani let me tell you that the level of extremism in Pakistan is not shared by any. I guess you can attribute it to the Sectarian killings due to which maybe some ignorant Shias find it necessary to go to extremes regarding Ahly Bait and show the Wahabis/Salafis their belief. Other factors are present to. However bro Ya Ali Madad isnt the only thing. So many tales have been forged regarding Karbala and the Imams that they would be utterly disgraced if they came today. They make stuff into Folk tales. Extreme love does sometimes lead astray.

Sallam

Arnt they aware that what they are doing clearly and explicitly contradicts the qur'an and sunnah ?

And please tell me about the stories, I'm rather curious to know what else they innovate :)

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Salaam,

Actually yes I was listening to a talk about this in Peterborough once. In pakistan and india there are quite a few things that are used as a main focus in Muhurram which either never took place or are from very weak ahadith.

Wasalaam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Shouldnt they be here justifying their 'beliefs' ?

This is the problem... They simply cant... unless they belong to another religion other than Islam.

wow even the word "Islam" comes from the word "salam"...

Things are clearer the light of the sun in the middle of the day, but blind hearts can't percieve the truth.

may Allah open our hearts up and help us accept His Mercy.

wa salam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Shouldnt they be here justifying their 'beliefs' ?

This is the problem... They simply cant... unless they belong to another religion other than Islam.

wow even Islam comes from salam...

Things are clearer the light of the sun in the middle of the day, but blind hearts cant percieve the truth.

wa salam

(bismillah)

(salam)

Ahsantum brother, its times like these I see how Imam Zain ul abidin (as) was right when he said: verily our 'shia' have done more damage to us than muawiyah and yazid...

May Allah(Swt) guide these people

Wasalam

Hezbullahi

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Sallam

About the stories let me quote a few. These are not only Pakistanis but all type of Shia extremists.

Mutahiri says:

It is so vast that should we attempt to collect all the unfounded narratives it will perhaps take several volumes of 500 pages each

1)They say that one day 'Ali, the Commander of the Faithful, may Peace be upon him, was delivering a sermon from the minbar. Suddenly Imam Husayn ('a) said, 'I am thirsty, Imam 'Ali said, 'Let someone bring water for my son.' The first person to get up was a little boy, Abu al-Fadl al-'Abbas ('a). He went out and got a jar of water from his mother. When he returned carrying the jar on his head, his head was drenched in water as it spilled from the sides. This story is narrated in its elaborate detail. Then, when the Commander of the Faithful's eyes fell on this scene, tears flowed from his eyes. He was asked why he was crying. He told them that the ordeals that this young son of his would face had come to his mind. You know the rest of the story, which serves the purpose of a point of departure for switching to the tragic scenes of Karbala'. Hajji Nuri has an excellent discussion at this point. He writes, "Now that you say that 'Ali was delivering a sermon from the minbar, you should know that 'Ali spoke from the minbar and delivered sermons only during the period of his caliphate. Hence, the episode must have occurred in Kufah. At that time Imam Husayn was a man of about thirty-three years." Then he remarks, "Is it at all a sensible thing for a man of thirty-three years to say all of a sudden, in a formal gathering while his father is delivering a sermon, 'I am thirsty!' 'I want water!" If an ordinary man does such a thing, it would be considered ill-mannered of him. Moreover, Hadrat Abu al-Fadl, too, was not a child at that time but a young man of at least fifteen years." You see how they have fabricated the story! Is such a story worthy of Imam Husayn? Aside from its fictitious character, what value does it have? Does it elevate the station of Imam Husayn or does it detract from it? It is definitely detracting to the dignity of the Imam, as it ascribes a false act to the Imam and detracts from is station by bringing the Imam down to the level of a most ill-mannered person who, at a time when his father - a man like 'Ali - is delivering a sermon, feels thirsty and instead of waiting for the session to be over, suddenly interrupts his father's sermon to ask for water.'

2) Another example of such fabrications is the story of a messenger who has brought a letter for Abu 'Abd Allah ('a) and he awaits a reply. The Imam tells him to come after three days and collect the reply. After three days on inquiring he is told that the Imam was departing the same day. He says to himself, "Now that he is setting out, let us go and watch the majesty and glamour of the prince of the Hijaz He goes and there he sees the Imam, together with other Hashimis among men, seated on splendid chairs. Then the camels are brought bearing the litters draped in silk and brocade. Then the ladies emerge and with much honor and ceremony they are escorted into these litters. This description continues in this vein until they make the digression to switch to the scene of the eleventh day of Muharram, to compare the glamour and honor of this day with the sorry state of the womenfolk on the latter day. Haji Nuri calls such descriptions into question. He says, "It is history which says that when Imam Husayn left Madinah he recited this Qur'anic verse:

He left it in the state of fear and concern. (28:21)

That is, he likened his own departure to that of Moses, son of 'Imran, when he fled for the fear of the Pharaoh.

He said, "It might be that my Lord will guide me to the right path."(28:22)

The Imam had departed with a most simple caravan. Does the greatness of Imam Husayn lie in his sitting, for instance, on golden chairs? Or does the greatness of his family and womenfolk lie in their using litters draped in silk and brocade, or their possessing fine horses and camels and a retinue of lackeys and servants?!

3) We have attributed several companions to Husayn ibn 'Ali that he did not have, such as the Za'far the Jinn. Similarly, there are some names among the enemies that did not exist. It is mentioned in the book Asrar al-shahadah that 'Umar ibn Sa'd's army in Karbala' consisted of one million and sixty thousand men. One may ask, where did they come from? Were they all Kufans? Is such a thing possible?

4) It is also written in that book that Imam Husayn himself personally killed three hundred thousand men in combat. The bomb that destroyed Hiroshima killed sixty thousand people. I calculated that if we assume that a swordsman kills one man every second, it would take eighty-three hours and twenty minutes to massacre a force of three hundred thousand. Later, when they saw that this number of those felled by the Imam did not fit with a day's duration, they said that the day of 'Ashura was also seventy-two hours long!

5) Similar things are said concerning Hadrat Abu al-Fadl, that he killed twenty-five thousand men. I calculated that if one man were killed per second, it would require six days and fifty and odd hours to kill that many. Therefore, we have to admit what Hajji Nuri, this great man, says, that if one wanted to mourn the Imam today and narrate the ordeals of Abu 'Abd Allah, may Peace be upon him, one should lament over these new tragedies, over these falsehoods, which have been incorporated in the accounts of his martyrdom.

How many legends have been fabricated by us Shi'is about Amir al Mu'minin 'Ali, many Peace be upon him! There is no doubt that 'Ali ('a) was an extraordinary man. No one has doubts about 'Ali's courage which was superior to that of any ordinary human being. 'Ali did not encounter any contestant in battle without felling him to the ground. But does that satisfy the myth makers? Never!

I think these are enough for right now.

Sallam

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4) It is also written in that book that Imam Husayn himself personally killed three hundred thousand men in combat. The bomb that destroyed Hiroshima killed sixty thousand people. I calculated that if we assume that a swordsman kills one man every second, it would take eighty-three hours and twenty minutes to massacre a force of three hundred thousand. Later, when they saw that this number of those felled by the Imam did not fit with a day's duration, they said that the day of 'Ashura was also seventy-two hours long!

He cant even do that with a machine gun :o

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(bismillah)

I'm really suprised that such stories about Ahlul Albayt and Karbala exist in Pakistan and India, here I wonder where are our scholars? Why don't they step in and stop this non sence.

Now, i hope all of those who substitute "Alsalam Alikum" for "Ya Ali Madad" are not shia, but shia wana be's. I personally never heared an Arab or a persian shia who would say this. We Iraqis say it (Ya Ali) when we get up or lift something. I personally say "Ya Allah Ya Muhammed Ya Ali" when i carry something or when i get up :P

(salam)

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Sallam

Actually Sis Noor in all honesty, Ayatullah Mutahiri states that majority of these stories develop in Karbala, Najaf etc the heart of Shiism.

Bro Wahashimi, you can read the book on al-islam.org. Juts search for Ashura and look for :

"Ashura: Misrepresentation and Distortions" :)

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Actually Sis Noor in all honesty, Ayatullah Mutahiri states that majority of these stories develop in Karbala, Najaf etc the heart of Shiism

Where did you hear this from bro? As an Iraqi, i never heared these stories before, and are you certain that Ayatullah Mutahiri said this? And if he did, where? I find this to be suprising, i never heared this in ma2tams or in normal sermons, this is why i'm realy suprised.

And if any shia here heared these stories brother selmany posted, please let me know so i can follow this up with my marje3 :)

(salam)

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For salmany's point number 2, anyone can answer:

Is it true that Imam Ali only gave sermons in his own "caliphate", I woulda thought he never stopped...

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rahat

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(bismillah)

Is it true that Imam Ali only gave sermons in his own "caliphate", I woulda thought he never stopped...

Thats a very good question, i was asking my self the same question becuase i heared in some sermons by Sayed Muhammed Baqir Alfali( and don't quote me becuase i don't remember which sermon) that Imam Ali gave hukm on the membar and other sharee3a issues. I will look this up too and answer this point tomorrow :P

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Sallam

Sis it is true, i have read it about 10 times.

In this book, that great man mentions several examples of falsehoods that have become prevalent in narratives of the historic event of Karbala'. Those which I will mention are all or mostly the same things that the marhum haji Nuri has lamented about. This great man even says explicitly, "Today too we must mourn Husayn, but there are tragedies which have befallen Husayn in our era which did not occur in the past, and they are all these falsehoods that are said regarding the event of Karbala' and which no one opposes! One must shed tears for the sufferings of Husayn ibn 'Ali, not for the sake of the swords and spears that struck his noble body on that day, but on account of these falsehoods." In the book's introduction he writes that an eminent scholar from India had written him a letter complaining about the false narratives that are recited in India, and asking him to do something or to write a book to stop the fictitious narratives that were current there. Then he remarks: "This Indian scholar has imagined that the rawdakhwans tell false stories when they go to India. He does not know that the stream is polluted from its very source. The centre of false rawdahs are Karbala', Najaf and Iran, that is, the very centres of Shi'ism." 

Sallam

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With all do respect to Ayatullah Mutahari, but such stories are not narrated in Arabic Majalis, i'm an Arab, and i listen to all kinds of Sermons (espacialy during muharram), and i never heared of such stories being recited. Now if these stories are being narrated by Pakistanis and Indians, that doesn't mean that others narrate them too. So i wonder how can such stories be coming from the heart of Shi'ism while no arab sayed or sheikh has ever mentioned them?

This is very weird.

(salam)

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Sallam u Alaikum

Sister i believe he does know better then us..does he not?

As the Shai hadith states:

There is amongst us, the Ahl al-Bayt, in every generation reformers who purge the faith of the perversions of the extremists, of the false beliefs of the falsifiers, and of the misinterpretations of the ignorant (Al-Kulayni, Usul al-Kafi, "kitab fadl al-'ilm", p. 32; al-Saffar, Basa'ir al-darajat, p.10 )

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Sallam

About ten or fifteen years ago when I was on a visit to Isfahan, I met a great man, marhum Hajj Shaykh Muhammad Hasan Najafabadi, may God elevate his station. I recounted to him a rawdah that I had heard recently somewhere. It was something which I had never heard until that time. Incidentally, this man who had delivered that rawdah, an opium addict, had made the people weep profusely with that rawdah of his. In it he recounted the story of an old woman during the reign of Mutawakkil (the 'Abbasid caliph who persecuted the Shi'ah). The woman had set out with the purpose of making a pilgrimage to the tomb of Imam Husayn, which was forbidden at that time and they would cut off the hands of the pilgrims. He went on with the narrative until the point when the old woman is taken and thrown into the river. In that state she cries out for help, calling out, "O Abu al-Fadl al-'Abbas!" As she is about to drown a horseman appears and tells her to catch hold of his stirrup. The woman takes hold of the stirrups but she says, "Why don't you give me your hand?' The horseman says, "I haven't any hands!" At this point the people wept a lot.

Marhum Hajj Shaykh Muhammad Hasan recounted for me the history of this legend. In a place near the bazaar, in the near abouts of Madrasah Sadr, there used to be held a majlis which was one of the major majalis of Isfahan and which even the marhum Hajj Mulla Isma'il Khwaju'i used to attend. One day there had occurred there an incident. (It had taken place earlier and he had heard its account from reliable persons.) It involved a well-known wa'iz; who himself had recounted it in these words:

"One day mine was the last turn to speak from the minbar. Other speakers had come and each one of them had exerted his skills to make the people weep. Everyone that came would try to surpass his predecessor and having delivered his rawdah would descend from the minbar to sit among the audience and watch the art of the succeeding rawdeh-khwan. This continued until the time of noon. I saw that everyone had tried his prowess and together they had drawn out all the tears that the people could shed. What should I do? I thought for a while, and then and there I made up this story. When my turn came, I went up and related the story, leaving all of them behind. In the afternoon, the same day, while attending another majlis in the Char-suq locality, I saw that the one who took to the minbar before me related this same story. Gradually it came to be written in books and appeared in print."

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Sallam

Yes it is ...weve had a very long discussion about it before. The Quran is a clear witness of the Islamic greeting ebing Sallam.

Yes I am aware of that but why is it that these people (mostly from pakistan) use "ya ali madad" instead of salam alaikum ?

(bismillah) (salam)

The fact of the matter is that the majority of the Shias in Pakistan use (salam) when greeting and not "Ya Ali Madad' as you have got the impression and the people who are on the net don't represent majority. Having said I would say that saying Ya ALI Madad is NOT Bida in any way as you believe. Please ask your marja before making such a claim. Saying (salam) is mustahab and not wajib and if some one does not use these greetings and use some other he/she would not get the reward from Allah and that's it.

In Pakistan and India the real Urdu speaking community use some other greetings as well such as Adaab. Most of the Iranian whom I have met use word salam and not complete Assalamo Alaikum as has been advised by Islam. Thus, they also lose the reward, like some Pakistanis, which would be given for saying Assalamo Alaikum.

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Salaam,

A worse fabrication is the one mentioned by Hajji Nuri. As you know, in the heat of the battle on the day of 'Ashura', the Imam offered his prayers hurriedly in the form of salat al-khawf [7] and there was no respite even to offer full prayers. In fact, two of the companions of the Imam came to stand in front of him to shield the Imam (against the arrows) so that he may offer two rak'ahs of the salat al-khawf. The two of them fell from the injuries inflicted under the shower of the arrows. The enemy would not even give respite for offering prayers. Nevertheless, they have concocted a story that the Imam called for a wedding ceremony on this day, declaring, 'It is my wish to see one of my daughter wedded to Qasim.' Obviously, one cannot take one's wishes to one's grave.

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This is a BIG one in pakistan and india, back home neways, I dont know bout Iran or Iraq. They have lots of paintings of the battlefield that is empty except for a crushed Sehra (the flowery headdress that men wear during asian weddings) to symbolize this wedding that had just taken place). Even as a child I used to stare at these paintings and used to wonder in my head, "How did they have Sehra's in Iraq"....obviously I was only a child and at the end of the day I accepted these marriage stories that the Molannas cried about that took place during Karbala.

Other stories like mountains where Imam Mahdi(AS) lives in India are present as well. And many Sufi "saints" whose shrines exist in pakistan and india have somehow wriggled their way into Shia legend.

Some people even revere poets such as Mirza Ghalib, who was a drunkard and a hypocrite, as Shias. The fact is that the only Shia thing about Mirza is that he wanted to have sex with a shia girl so much that he agreed to do a muta apparantly.....

The water just gets muddier and muddier as you look deeper into these areas.

Wasalaam

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Salam alaikum,

I read that article regarding tahrif in al-Islam.org too. It does make sense. The root of all this is the extremism in pakistan. Some of the majalises conducted during the muharram are nothing but entertainment (naudhubillah) and some maulanas do this just to get more people coming to THEIR majlis.Little do they know or rather care that it is such an important event and every incident in it has some kind of a message for the Ummah.So even little distortions would make a huge difference.

May Allah hasten the return of the Imam (as)

kh

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Salaam,

When I was in the US I was having a discussion with some Alims from Chicago and Florida, and they were telling me about how in India and Pakistan, many of the "molannas" aren't even molannas. They have their speeches written for them by poets and people of that sort to whip up the crowds, then they just memorise them and recite them. It is really scary.

And dont get me started on what they do to the poor horses during muhurram. They have this idea that if you pray something beside the horse (Dhuljinar) and the horse nods its head your prayers have been accepted or something like that. But they pump these poor animals full of drugs during muhurram to such an extent that they might as well be dead after muhurram.

Is this what the Sacrifice of Imam Hussain(AS) has been reduced to?

I really wish that pakistan was a real Islamic republic, it would have been so beneficial to the Muslims. (sigh)

They should have lept upon the opportunity when Iran was going to a revolution and followed Iran's example, the Muslims (shia and Sunni) as brothers together would have been so powerful in that region that there probably would never have been a taliban. And then today if Iraq forged an Islamic Republic, imagine that...Iraq, Iran and Pakistan....we would have had a decent leg to stand on.

I mean in my opinion I think Iran is being really patient with Pakistan, if I had a house which was a muslim house, and my next door neighbour was a muslim also, but he put spies in his house to constantly look into mine and find out my family affair....I would have bombed my neighbours house ages ago lol.

May Allah Hasten the Return of Imam al-Mahdi(AS)

Wasalaam

Wasalaam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Ayatollah Shaheed Mutahari (ra) was always against the people who read majalis and said those kind of exaggerated stories. He even was against the less exaggerated ones. Just go read his books if you want to know his opinion.

Imam Ali (as): Most of what you hear is falsehood. The truth is what you see.

wa salam

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(salam)

Just a thought: Don't Pakistanis and Iranians also visit Najaf? Don'r Pakistanis visit Iran?

What difference does it make where it originated? If it died out in the original location due to the quality of education of the people there, but has been carried on by lesser-edcuated people since then, is there as much blame on the place of origin?

We have the situation now as it is, however or not it started. Alhamdulillah, the first few posts on this thread addressed the issue beautifully, and Salmany's quotes have put some perspective on the issue.

Inshallah we can continue to inform ourselves abuout the situation and the teachings of Islam.

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As salam alaikum

Do we all use the full salam as the Prophet guided us to?

Ya Ali madad is a salutation from one momin to another why do you people appear to be pained by this?

Can Ali not intercede with the permission of Allah?

Ya Ali Madad cannot and will not replace salam as defined in AlQran or sunnat but if as mureed of Ali the ummah of shia baradari greet each other and ask Ali to convey salam and protection is this wrong?

Did the Prophet not nominate Ali as Wali and leave us Ahlul Bayt as our Imams

SO ARE WE WRONG TO GIVE DUE RESPECT AND USE THE POWERS GRANTED TO THEM BY Allah.

Surely their are far greater urgencies facing the islamic nation than trying to create division even amongst shia baradari first examine your own life and if this is faultless then you look for fault in others.

I for one will continue to greet my momin brothers and sisters with Ya Ali Madad and the rest of the ummah with As salam alaikum wa barakat and i will ask Ali to intercede with Allah on my behalf .

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(bismillah)

(salam)

I for one will continue to greet my momin brothers and sisters with Ya Ali Madad and the rest of the ummah with As salam alaikum wa barakat and i will ask Ali to intercede with Allah on my behalf .

momim brothers and sisters = those who believe

Quran:

"And when those who believe in Our revelations come unto thee, say: Peace be unto you! Your Lord hath prescribed for Himself mercy, that whoso of you doeth evil through ignorance and repenteth afterward thereof and doeth right, (for him) lo! He is Forgiving, Merciful."

Surah 6 ayah 54

"say Peace be unto you!" This is Allah's command... it is your choice... you can say Ali madad but you would be doing something against the Quran.

wa salam

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(bismillah)

I appreciate what brother Salmany posted, but it still didn't answer my question regarding these stories originating in Iraq. The hadeeth from Usol Alkafi by Mawlana Alkulayni is true, but it doesn't say anything about Iraq being the land of Fabrication. Once again, with all do respect to Ayatullah Mutahari, i don't see how he can claim this to be true. What i find interesting in all of this is that Najaf and Karbala are the locations of where these stories began :rolleyes: , yet you hear no such stories from those two holy areas. But on the contrary, everyone here is agreeing that the indian subcontinent is where these stories are originating since they are mixing history with their culture.

Now is it possible that these stories started in Iraq, and then died out, it's possible, but where is the proof that it started there to begin with? And who originated such stories?

(salam)

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(bismillah) (salam)

AS ALL THE PAKISTANI MAWLANAS SAY: Say Ya Ali madad. Indeed say it. BUT AFTER the salam. Salam walekum . Ya ali madad!

Not AS a salam or NOT before the salam.

Ali

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I'm really suprised that such stories about Ahlul Albayt and Karbala exist in Pakistan and India, here I wonder where are our scholars? Why don't they step in and stop this non sence.

(bismillah)

(salam)

I have read the post of Brother Salmany. I hear Pakistani/Indian zakirs. While I cannot give you any guarantee that they dont exist in Pakistan at all, but as far as I remember I have never heard these stories.

As Salmany has stated in his next post, they may have originated in other parts of the world.

WS

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