Should We be Cheering the deaths of American Army?

[Dhzokhar]

How about you sit down and shut up sonny boy or your threats get forwarded to the FBI's website. What? "they won't do anything"? maybe, maybe not. But your IP address gets on their list.

Sleep tight.

Oooh them sounds like fighting words to me. :D What a joke.

Edited July 13, 2003 by Dhzokhar

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

Not to worry, most of the armchair Jihadists here have gotten the attention of the CIA's "Magenta Wormhole" program already!

[Dhzokhar]

Not to worry, most of the armchair Jihadists here have gotten the attention of the CIA's "Magenta Wormhole" program already!

Not to worry most of these arm chair patriots havent got the attention of no one, thats why they come this site and insult Islam so atleast someone will take notce of them. Quite pathetic I think.

[US Patriot]

Oooh them sounds like fighting words to me.  What a joke.

The joke is really reflected by people like you and others who endorse and are proponents of religious fanaticism. Attitudes like those expressed by malang, which are put into action is exactly why Islam is reviled by many. Intolerance, exclusion and cheap threats are the hallmark of religious fanatics. And all the while, many like you will utter phrases like ”there is no compulsion in Islam”.

[Frodo]

Reg., crit and US Patriot, you havent yet responded (a quite normal pattern by now, it seems) to any of the crucial points I have raised in my posts.

As for your comment, Mr. Patriot, about Islam being so reviled: I suppose that is why it is the fastest growing religion in the world, and yes, even the fastest growing religion and trend in the West, not exlcuding the US? And this increase in converts to the impassionate and hate-infested Islam has simply sky-rocketed since the 9-11 attacks? Could it be that many Americans and Europeans and others throughout the world are full of hate and hence the conversion to the master religion of hate, Islam? What possible explanation can you come up with for this enigma? I'd be very interested to hear it.

Edited July 14, 2003 by Frodo

[Dhzokhar]

Attitudes like those expressed by malang, which are put into action is exactly why Islam is reviled by many

Maybe you should actually read what your pal regie said first to understand why melang answered in the way he did. Yet you prefer to display empty threats and used the FBI, well its a very easy choice Patriot, you dont like what you read then click to another site. I recommend itshappening.com, they may have material that may suit your resent for Islam.

Intolerance, exclusion and cheap threats are the hallmark of religious fanatics.

Yet it is you who is using the FBI as the cyber police man to back you up. :rolleyes:

And all the while, many like you will utter phrases like ”there is no compulsion in Islam”.

Once again the misconceptions of the west. What a great job they have done at brain washing you, in the face of the material i have shown you, you still grasp to ignorance. I grave error made by the Romans may i add.

The joke is really reflected by people like you and others who endorse and are proponents of religious fanaticism.

I try to pray the full 5 prayers a day. I read the Quraan Kareem on the daily basis. This is the least i do. By your standards I am already a Fanatic. By ours, worthy to call myself a Muslim. Such non-phrases like 'Fanatics' is used by people who cant come up with any other insult. Maybe you should refer to the thread 'Foul Language' on the Politics domain for more of an insight to educate yourself on these phrases. Instead of throwing them around like a child does with a new word he has just learnt. :D

Edited July 14, 2003 by Dhzokhar

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"Once again the misconceptions of the west. What a great job they have done at brain washing you, in the face of the material i have shown you, you still grasp to ignorance. I grave error made by the Romans may i add."

Hmmmmmmmmm, the Roman Empire lasted about 1,200 years, the U.S. has only been around for little over 200, so I guess we got about a 1,000 left, that's more then Islam does!

As for this fastest growing religion in the U.S. where do you get those stats, DreamOn.com?

[Socrates]

As for this fastest growing religion in the U.S. where do you get those stats, DreamOn.com?

of course, u are infalliable and everything u say is true, refrencless, because America is always right, while we are always wrong and everything we say comes from Dreamon.com!

The USSR lasted from 1917-1991 and ur lucky to have outnumbered their days, but remember that your days are still numbered, mate!

[Dhzokhar]

so I guess we got about a 1,000 left, that's more then Islam does!

Hmm you threaten my religion thus you threaten the lives of the Muslim people. You are the only terrorist here.

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"The USSR lasted from 1917-1991 and ur lucky to have outnumbered their days, but remember that your days are still numbered, mate!"

With religious fanaticism steering Islam on a head long course towards a cataclysmatic clash with the Western World, I would say in about a 100 years from now, right after the kids in school stop singing Star Spangled Banner, the teacher will say, "Class, today's subject is going to be dead religions, 1st hour Greek Mythology, and the 2nd hour Muslims!

[pasdar1]

Salam un Alaykum,

Wait and see how our Leader Mahdi (as) will come and Fill the world with Justice and Rule the world under Islam... just wait.

Iltemas e dua

khodahafiz

Edited July 14, 2003 by pasdar1

[Dhzokhar]

Hmm Islam has lasted 1400 years and is spreading further and more rapidly then it has in the past on an international basis. America has only been around for 200 years. I dont think your nation is in Islams leagure yet, so why dont you stop your jumping and shouting and take a seat boy.

Edited July 14, 2003 by Dhzokhar

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"Wait and see how our Leader Mahdi will come and Fill the world with Justice and Rule the world under Islam... just wait."

"Wahhh....and my Daddy can beat up your daddy too!"

I thought there were several Mahdis who have made there appearannce over the years, the B'Hai guy, also the Guy who chopped of Gordon's head at Karhtoum, and how about Willy Fard, the NOI founder, he's supposed to be their Mahdi???

What if the Mahdi shows up and says, hey, you muslims have been praying to, and following the wrong message all these centuries, what are you going to to then??

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"Hmm Islam has lasted 1400 years and is spreading further and more rapidly then it has in the past on an international basis. America has only been around for 200 years. I dont think your nation is in Islams leagure yet, so why dont you stop your jumping and shouting and take a seat boy. "

Come this final clash of cultures, when the religious fanatics that muslims have seemed to rally to, have issued their final fatwahs against the west, islam won't be around much longer!

Sorry to break the news to you, but a 7th century religion isn't going to fare to well in a knock down stand up, with Western Civilization, we have all the toys!

[pasdar1]

Salam un Alaykum,

Ayn-a- mo'izzal owliya, wa Mozzillul A'ada?!!!!

You'll never understand, becuase your brain can't comprehend CREATOR; neither can mine, but atleast I am trying.

Your a great example for the word arrogance, the type of person who sees someone with a HUGE welt on their face and says "Who cares" or shoots down a passenger jet and says, I thought It was a fighter plane, oh well; and uses agent orange on civilians and drops bombs in the middle of civilian territory killing hundreds and .... and then sleeps well at night, not even thinking about his actions; and can easily, without a single bit of feeling uneasyness, say in tomarrows speech "We represent freedom"

Iltemas e dua

Khodahafiz

Edited July 15, 2003 by pasdar1

[Gypsy]

Sorry to break the news to you, but a 7th century religion isn't going to fare to well in a knock down stand up, with Western Civilization, we have all the toys!

Islam has conqured The world through its teaching and not through toys.

Dare I hope you will ever understand?

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"Islam has conqured The world through its teaching and not through toys.

Dare I hope you will ever understand? "

I watched that show today, Hollywood and the Muslim world and all I have to say, after seeing all the american fast food restaurants, and kids talking hip hop on the streets is, who's conqoured who?

I do pity you guys and can see some of your point of view, your countries are embracing all of america that is the cheap veneer, and none of it's substance.

I side with you on this one, the american movies and TV by and large are [Edited Out].

But what can I say, welcome to the 21st Century.

[Dhzokhar]

who's conqoured who?

And yet islam is the fastest growing religion in USA. Over 100 000 a year before sept 11th and now new reports show it has doubled.

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"And yet islam is the fastest growing religion in USA. Over 100 000 a year before sept 11th and now new reports show it has doubled."

Don't hang your hat on that one, I personally don't know one person, who knows of, or has heard of any american converting to Islam, other then the NOI members, which you guys don't count as muslims anyways.

I could start the Churh of Barnabas tomorrow, and if I got 10 members by the end of the week, statistically, Barnabasism, would be the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Since the Census Bureau no longer asks people what religion they are, I don't know where these stats are coming from, certainly not from any unbiased polling.

Islam ain't selling on mainstreet USA, never will, it's too restrictive to american culture and sense of individualism, Americans see it, and bible thumping Christianity as threats to their personal freedoms.

Edited July 16, 2003 by Reginald Barnabas

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

"And yet islam is the fastest growing religion in USA. Over 100 000 a year before sept 11th and now new reports show it has doubled."

Don't hang your hat on that one, I personally don't know one person, who knows of, or has heard of any american converting to Islam, other then the NOI members, which you guys don't count as muslims anyways.

I could start the Churh of Barnabas tomorrow, and if I got 10 members by the end of the week, statistically, Barnabasism, would be the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

Since the Census Bureau no longer asks people what religion they are, I don't know where these stats are coming from, certainly not from any unbiased polling.

Islam ain't selling on mainstreet USA, never will, it's too restrictive to american culture and sense of individualism, Americans see it, and bible thumping Christianity as threats to their personal freedoms.

lol I personally now of MANY white american converts. When I say many I mean more than I can count on hands and feet combined. Mind you you may not see it in hill billy arizona but in the urban centers yes sir, it indeed is happening. When I as in chicago I saw many white american converts :) So there goes another baseless theory down the toilet.

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

"What about the native indians? Oh yeah thats rite the americans helped them by giving them blankets didnt they."

That was the British red coats who did that, we threw them out, get your facts straight!

:blink: LOL

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

""Who is like an old fashion nun? The US people? the government? The army? You make these stupid stamements to change the subject and you dont explain. By the way does this mean your admitting the USA used this form of bio warfare against the poor Indians? "

You must have won at school in the dodge ball contests, didn't you?

You are the one who keeps throwing this American Indian dodge into the fray, to deflect the horrorific record of the muslim people slaughtering muslim people in the M.E.

Regenald

Let me make a suggestion to you. Try looking into the history of African Americans, Native Americans, Italian Americans, Jewish Americans, Irish Americans. Then have a look at what is the one common denominator they all share. Your statements lack sophistication from a historical, socio/political/economical stand point.

But hey, When all else fails just throw random stupidity out there and hope no one notices, or atleast I assume that is your game plan.

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

" Mind you you may not see it in hill billy arizona but in the urban centers yes sir, it indeed is happening. When I as in chicago I saw many white american converts So there"

Hill Billy Arizona? You really are clueless about the Unitied States, aren't you?

I don't live in the state of Arizona, but have visited there often, my aunt lives there. Arizona is populated mostly by transplants from the midwest, there are very few southerners, cowboys, or anything else that could be even remotely considered a hill billy living there, most are middle, and upper middle class retirees.

As for this great surge of americans flocking to islam, better check the stats, there are more people converting to the Mormon Church then Islam, by the way, a little web search revealed all the Mosques in Chicago, LOL, most are either in restaurants or store fronts, hardly competeing with any Christian denominations at all, so dream on!

http://www.internetmuslim.com/Community_Ce...hicago_info.htm

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

" Mind you you may not see it in hill billy arizona but in the urban centers yes sir, it indeed is happening. When I as in chicago I saw many white american converts So there"

Hill Billy Arizona? You really are clueless about the Unitied States, aren't you?

I don't live in the state of Arizona, but have visited there often, my aunt lives there. Arizona is populated mostly by transplants from the midwest, there are very few southerners, cowboys, or anything else that could be even remotely considered a hill billy living there, most are middle, and upper middle class retirees.

As for this great surge of americans flocking to islam, better check the stats, there are more people converting to the Mormon Church then Islam, by the way, a little web search revealed all the Mosques in Chicago, LOL, most are either in restaurants or store fronts, hardly competeing with any Christian denominations at all, so dream on!

http://www.internetmuslim.com/Community_Ce...hicago_info.htm

As I said, I have seen it with my own eyes. YOu throwing some baseless more people are converting to morman bollocks with nothing to substantiate your claim really means nothing in the grand scheme of things now doesnt it :)

As far as the storefront thing who cares where they are located although what you are saying is a lie :) I mean did you read the link you put up? LOL no where does it say those places are grocery stores guy, the link that mentions grocery stores is just that a listing of islamic grocery stores LOL has nothing to do with the location of the mosques. Lets see, I went for the jummah at the nigerian masjid that is not a store front, there is one close to devon that is not a store front, there is one on the south side cant think of the name of it, but errr its not a store front. LOL

Your a funny guy. Like I said whites are embrasing Islam in large numbers and as far as arizona is concerned you dont have to live in a trailer or be a cowboy to have a hill billy mentality buddy :)

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

Sorry Cheif, I worked on Chicago for two years and traveled all over the city, the only Mosque, that could even be considered a mosque by M.E. standards is the one on the southside run by NOI.

There are more white americans in churches that feature snake handling, then there are Islam.

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

Sorry Cheif, I worked on Chicago for two years and traveled all over the city, the only Mosque, that could even be considered a mosque by M.E. standards is the one on the southside run by NOI.

There are more white americans in churches that feature snake handling, then there are Islam.

Now I am going to have to call you a liar. First of all a mosque does not go by middle eastern standards buddy. My wife is Muslim and went to school in Evanston chicago and her family is from there so as you can imagine my knowledge of the city isnt to shabby. Now since your not muslim and dont know what your talking about as usual let me explain what a masjid (mosque) is. Any please which has place for making prayer which is free from pollutions, a place for imam, and place for purfications. Now a mosque does not have to have minarats.

ALL of the places i mentioned above meet the qualifications :) Like I said I saw with my own eyes white muslims in chicago, New York and Florida, and I am not talking about just a few. Oh also there is one in the suburbs in philly and it is almost 100% white american :)

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"ALL of the places i mentioned above meet the qualifications Like I said I saw with my own eyes white muslims in chicago, New York and Florida, and I am not talking about just a few. Oh also there is one in the suburbs in philly and it is almost 100% white american "

The vast majority, of muslims in the U.S. who are not black americans, are foreigners! The handfull of american born whites who become muslims, are just that, handfulls.

So stop peddling the B.S., from the diatribes I have heard from tv interviews of white american muslim converts, they are by and large white losers who have real identity and self worth problems, the same kind you see ending up as Branch Davidians, Moonies, or what other fringe religion de jour is out there. I would say more end up as moonies then muslims.

There is anything but a tidal wave of Islam washing across america, in fact it's just the opposite!

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"ALL of the places i mentioned above meet the qualifications Like I said I saw with my own eyes white muslims in chicago, New York and Florida, and I am not talking about just a few. Oh also there is one in the suburbs in philly and it is almost 100% white american "

The vast majority, of muslims in the U.S. who are not black americans, are foreigners! The handfull of american born whites who become muslims, are just that, handfulls.

So stop peddling the B.S., from the diatribes I have heard from tv interviews of white american muslim converts, they are by and large white losers who have real identity and self worth problems, the same kind you see ending up as Branch Davidians, Moonies, or what other fringe religion de jour is out there. I would say more end up as moonies then muslims.

There is anything but a tidal wave of Islam washing across america, in fact it's just the opposite!

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

"ALL of the places i mentioned above meet the qualifications Like I said I saw with my own eyes white muslims in chicago, New York and Florida, and I am not talking about just a few. Oh also there is one in the suburbs in philly and it is almost 100% white american "

The vast majority, of muslims in the U.S. who are not black americans, are foreigners! The handfull of american born whites who become muslims, are just that, handfulls.

So stop peddling the B.S., from the diatribes I have heard from tv interviews of white american muslim converts, they are by and large white losers who have real identity and self worth problems, the same kind you see ending up as Branch Davidians, Moonies, or what other fringe religion de jour is out there. I would say more end up as moonies then muslims.

There is anything but a tidal wave of Islam washing across america, in fact it's just the opposite!

I like that, you were found to be telling your tale tails again as far as the mosques in chicago go which only shows your lack of credibility then you move on to White American Muslims and your now a psychologist who can tell us the mentality of the white Muslim LOL your halarious. There is nothing else to say your stupidity speaks for itself. Good show :)

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"I like that, you were found to be telling your tale tails again as far as the mosques in chicago go which only shows your lack of credibility then you move on to White American Muslims and your now a psychologist who can tell us the mentality of the white Muslim LOL your halarious. There is nothing else to say your stupidity speaks for itself. Good show "

Listen, if I counted up, in Chicago, the Missionary Baptist "Church of What's Happin Now" branches, in all their store fronts, converted convenient stores and other places, outiside of a architechually designed reglious buidlings, they would out number the Muslims a thousand to one!

Amazing there all these white, american born, never had a muslim in the family, converts, yet I have never seen one, nor has any of my friends or relatives, and we are spread out across the entire u.s..

Stealth Muslim, ya that's what they are!

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

"I like that, you were found to be telling your tale tails again as far as the mosques in chicago go which only shows your lack of credibility then you move on to White American Muslims and your now a psychologist who can tell us the mentality of the white Muslim LOL your halarious. There is nothing else to say your stupidity speaks for itself. Good show "

Listen, if I counted up, in Chicago, the Missionary Baptist "Church of What's Happin Now" branches, in all their store fronts, converted convenient stores and other places, outiside of a architechually designed reglious buidlings, they would out number the Muslims a thousand to one!

Amazing there all these white, american born, never had a muslim in the family, converts, yet I have never seen one, nor has any of my friends or relatives, and we are spread out across the entire u.s..

Stealth Muslim, ya that's what they are!

yawn

[Guest Reginald Barnabas]

"On Oct. 23, 2002 the American Jewish Committee responded by releasing its own report, "Estimating the Muslim Population in the United States." Written by Tom Smith, director of the General Social Survey at the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, the study suggested the more accurate number of Muslims in America was just 1,876,000.

Wrote Smith: "Even if high-side estimates based on local surveys, figures from mosques, and ancestry and immigration statistics are given more weight than the survey-based numbers, it is hard to accept estimates that Muslims are greater than 1 percent of the population, or 2,814,000."

"But last week another report was released Conducted by the Graduate Center for the City University of New York, the project, based on random samples, suggested there are only 1.1 million Muslim adults in America, and that 17 percent of those are converts.

Considering that best estimates today suggest 70 percent of American converts to Islam are African-Americans, that would mean, according to City University of New York, that there are approximately 130,000 African-American adult Muslims in America."

Lets see, if 70% of the converts are black and they're 130,00 then that would mean the total of that VAST AMOUNT of white converts is a whopping 17,000, out of a country of 280 million, Why at that rate this country should be all muslim by the year, 4730!

[US Patriot]

Official statistics: Islam is fastest growing religion in Canada

Regional-Canada, Local, 5/16/2003

Results on the Canadian population statistics for 2001 showed the notable increase in the number of Muslims in Canada during the last decades of the 20th century because of the flow of Muslim emigrants from southern Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.

The number of Muslims increased in Canada at a rate of 128.9% during the last decade of the 20th century to reach 579,000 inhabitants. A matter which makes Islam the fastest growing religion in Canada while the number of Muslims constitutes 2% of the total Canadian population.

Certain Canadian dailies like "Toronto Globe and Mail" said in an article issues of May 14 that the increase in the number of Canadian Muslims might be conducive to the increase desire within the Canadian government to take more neutral position concerning the Middle East.

Meantime, another Canadian daily "Montreal Gazette" said in an article published on May 14 that Muslims have become the largest minority in Quebec province which is considered one of the largest Canadian provinces.

The paper indicated that results of the Canadian population statistics for 2001 revealed the increase in the number of Muslims in Quebec from 108,000 citizens by the beginning of the last decade to 141,000 by the end of the 20th century.

The claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion is a claim long on hype by many but short on facts. If one plays games with the numbers, you can suggest the statement is true -- and many will believe it without looking at the facts.

Notice the article above. Islam is growing in Canada simply because of the influx of "Muslim emigrants from southern Asia, North Africa and the Middle East."

Look at the numbers. The religion is growing simply because there are more muslims immigrating to Canada (the population is growing), not because more of the Canadian population are embracing the religion. Look at the ratio of muslims to the general population. The ratio is very small.

[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

giggle

Okay guys lets all join in and play the polling game. I for one know how biased sampling pools can be but hey what the heck LOL

P.S. Mine is from govt sources which lends a bit of credibility unlike the jewish commuity of whatever in the heck LOL

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/islam/fact2.htm

Islam in the U.S. 2001

Fact Sheet: Islam in the United States

Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the U.S. By the year 2010, America's Muslim population is expected to surpass the Jewish population, making Islam the country's second-largest faith after Christianity.1

The American Muslim community is a mosaic of cultures, its members having come from all of the five major continents. In fact, a recent survey showed that most Muslims are immigrants -- 77.6% versus 22.4% U.S. born.2

This same survey indicated that the ethnic origins of the Muslim community are as follows:

26.2% Middle East (Arab)

24.7% South Asia

23.8% African American

11.6% Other

10.3% Middle East (Not Arab)

6.4% East Asia

While there are no official population figures for religious affiliation in the United States, experts estimate that there are approximately six million American Muslims. Other estimates range from four to eight million.3

The Britannica Book of the Year estimated that, in mid-2000, there were 4,175,000 Muslims in the United States, 1,650,000 of whom are African American in origin. An average of 17,500 African Americans converted to Islam each year between 1990 and 1995.4

The earliest group of Muslims to arrive in America in significant numbers came from West Africa from 1530 to 1851, because of the slave trade. They comprised an estimated 14% to 20% of the hundreds of thousands of West Africans forcibly removed from their homelands.5

The next sizable number of Muslims immigrated to the United States during the early 20th century. They came from Lebanon, Syria and other countries across the Ottoman Empire.6

The post-World War II era, during the 1960s and '70s, saw the third substantial wave of immigrants from all parts of the Islamic world. This wave included large numbers of Muslims who came to study at American universities.7

Approximately a third of American Muslims live on the East Coast (32.2%), 25.3% live in the South, 24.3% in the Central/Great Lakes Region, and 18.2% in the West. 8

There are nearly 2000 mosques nationwide as well as numerous Islamic day schools and Sunday and weekend schools.9

1Carla Power, "The New Islam," Newsweek, March 16, 1998, p. 34.

2Source: Zogby International, August 2000, Survey commissioned by the American Muslim Council.

3Estimates vary widely for all the figures quoted throughout this fact sheet. In terms of overall population, M.M. Ali reports that there are 6 to 8 million Muslims in America inThe Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May-June 1996, p. 13.

4Encyclopedia Britannica. "Religious Adherents in the United States of America." On Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/.

5Edward L. Queen, III, Stephen R. Prothero, and Gardiner Shattuck, Jr. The Encyclopedia of American Religious History. (New York: Facts on File, 1996), p. 319.

6Ibid., p. 320.

7Ibid.

8Source: Zogby International, August 2000, Survey commissioned by the American Muslim Council.

9Omar Khalidi, "Mosque," In Wade Clark Roof, Contemporary American Religion. (New York: Macmillan, 2000). Also, Yvonne Haddad, "Islam in the United States: A Tentative Ascent; A Conversation," U.S. Society and Values: The Religious Landscape of the United States, March 1997.

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[Khadim Al-Mehdi]

let me guess, his response will be the govt poll is from leftist :!!!: