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The americans are s**t scared that they even suspect of man wearing hijabs to carry out suicde bombings

By MIKE BRANOM, Associated Press Writer

ORLANDO, Fla. - A Florida judge ruled Friday that a Muslim woman cannot wear a veil in her driver's license photo, agreeing with state authorities that the practice could help terrorists conceal their identities.

After hearing three days of testimony last week, Circuit Judge Janet C. Thorpe ruled that Sultaana Freeman's right to free exercise of religion would not be infringed by having to show her face on her license.

Thorpe said the state "has a compelling interest in protecting the public from criminal activities and security threats," and "having access to photo image identification is essential to promote that interest."

Freeman, 35, had obtained a license in 2001 that showed her veiled with only her eyes visible through a slit. But after the Sept. 11 attacks, the state demanded that she return to have her photo retaken with her face uncovered. She refused and the state revoked her license.

Freeman sued the state of Florida, saying it would violate her Islamic beliefs to show her face publicly.

Her case was taken up by the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which saw the case as a test of free religious expression. Some conservative commentators ridiculed the case, saying it would be absurd to allow people to obscure their faces in ID photos.

Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail had argued that Islamic law has exceptions that allow women to expose their faces if it serves a public good, and that arrangements could be made to have Freeman photographed with only women present to allay her concerns about modesty.

"Nothing is more important than making sure that our people are safe, and (Thorpe's) good logic in making sure Floridians continue to be able to be safe is very, very important," Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Friday.

Freeman's lawyers argued that instead of a driver's license photo, she could use other documents such as a birth certificate or Social Security (news - web sites) card to prove her identity.

Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, started wearing a veil in 1997. She had a mug shot taken without the veil after her arrest in Illinois in 1998 on a domestic battery charge involving one of twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

Child welfare workers told investigators that Freeman and her husband had used their concerns about religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to the police records. The girls were removed from the home.

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News Flash

Driving on the public way, and having a drivers license is a privilige, not a right!

She can excercise her religion now, as much as she wants, on foot!

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The deeper point as it appears to me is that you utterly miss what is being portrayed here. If that is what you got out of the article, that people “are scared that they even suspect of man wearing hijabs to carry out suicde bombings” then I believe you've misinterpreted it.

This is specifically what many people do resent about Muslims, not because of some infirmity on their part, but on utter stupidity of your part. First, I do not assume that others are flawed in their understandings or somehow incapable of making reasoned judgments. If you even bothered to read the article, you would – or could have – seen that the images and impressions of Muslims held by many is not flattering, not favorable and not something promoted by the article.

Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, started wearing a veil in 1997. She had a mug shot taken without the veil after her arrest in Illinois in 1998 on a domestic battery charge involving one of twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care

Child welfare workers told investigators that Freeman and her husband had used their concerns about religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to the police records. The girls were removed from the home.. 

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Islam, eh genius?

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Soon the american empire will fall.

i give them another 4 years existnince. Then they will be history like the romans

Well if we are going to fall like the romans, first thing we have to do is split the U.S. into two seperate entities, and then wait about 4 centuries, not years!

You really are comic relief!

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salaam alaikum

Leave it to a bunch of men to totally miss the WHOLE POINT OF THE ARTICLE. <_<

1)RevolutionaryGuard the article is not refering to her actual hijab ie. the scarf on her head. It is refering to her wearing niqab. And if you don't understand the importance of needing to see someones face on a PICTURE ID, I'm not going to explain it to you.

2)rdw: Child abuse has no place in Islam.

3) Old: Believe it or not I actually agree with you (about driving being a privlage) If you can't adhere to the responsibilitys then you don't deserve it. HOWEVER you should have stopped your statement there. The rest just makes you seem vindictive and kinda cancels out the begining or your statement.

wa salaam

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Sallams,

I agree witht the ruling of the judge. If someone covers the face, how are they supposed to identify the person.

As far as I understand Niqab is not 100% totally compulsory. so a woman is not doing anything haram in showing her face.

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No muslim woman should have her hijab removed by force ... I agree that niqab is a different issue. If she wants to drive, show your face, wallah.

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America is supposed to be a free country

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Soon the american empire will fall.

i give them another 4 years existnince. Then they will be history like the romans

Well if we are going to fall like the romans, first thing we have to do is split the U.S. into two seperate entities, and then wait about 4 centuries, not years!

You really are comic relief!

no wrong example given

US Empire will fall just as the Soviet Union did, its just a matter of time.

And if you laugh, well thats what what Mikhail Gorbachev did in 1989 and what happened in 1991?

You guessed it - well done B)

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US Empire will fall just as the Soviet Union did, its just a matter of time.

You and your grandchildrens, grandchildren will all be Methodists before the U.S. falls!

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You and your grandchildrens, grandchildren will all be Methodists before the U.S. falls!

wouldnt be too sure about that, OMV

remember Gorbachev

as a famous historian once said, "History repeats itself because people don't listen (hence are too arrogant)"

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as a famous historian once said, "History repeats itself because people don't listen (hence are too arrogant)"

The problem with that is, the U.S. isn't ignoring history, we aren't going to act like the Romans and let the Barbarians storm our gates, we are taking it to the barbarians first!

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thats exactly it! You are being arrogant! You think it won't happen to you - but mark my words - it will happen!

OMV, you have been warned 

Ohhhhhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhh!

The bogeyman is out to get me!

Excuse me, but since when is defending oneself, by taking it right back to the attackers home turf, acting arrogant?

The attackers are/were radical muslims, and their home turf is the M.E., isn't it?

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hold on, where is the proof Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11?

(I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM, JUST ASKING)

where is the proof Saddam has WMD?

(I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM EITHER)

Who suffered because of them?

INNOCENT PEOPLE OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN KILLED BY AMERICAN AND BRITISH TROOPS.

That is not defence, that is offence!

'nuff said :angry:

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hold on, where is the proof Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11?

(I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM, JUST ASKING)

Well I guess he video tape that Al Jazerrea broadcast of him admitting it, wasn't enough proof for you?

where is the proof Saddam has WMD?

(I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM EITHER)

How about the two mobile chem labs thet found, and how about all the people he gassed previosly, I would think that the logical inference would be that, yes he had them, they just aren't found yet!

Who suffered because of them?

INNOCENT PEOPLE OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN KILLED BY AMERICAN AND BRITISH TROOPS.

Sorry but terrorists and the countries that harbor them killed 3,000 americans, and Iraq harbors terrorists, just look at Abbu Abbas!

That is not defence, that is offence!

First thing you learn from any war strategist, going all the way back to the Chinese General Sun Tsui, the best defence is a good offense!

'nuff said, is right!

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while Saddam and Osama were co-operating with you lot, you loved them. The moment they stopped, you punish the Afghanis and Iraqis - that is very strange coming from a country that stands for liberty. If you really cared about teh Iraqis and Afghans, you would have liberated them a long time ago, not when it suited you to get oil out of Azerbaijan, Turkemanistan and Iraq! No this aint conspiracy theories, they are hard facts, Pakistan has been paid $1billion for the pipeline to pass through their country.

So that is offence not defence.

Oh, and nobody harbours more terrorists then USA themselves? Maybe we should attack USA for harbouring terrorists, using your logic?

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while Saddam and Osama were co-operating with you lot, you loved them. The moment they stopped, you punish the Afghanis and Iraqis - that is very strange coming from a country that stands for liberty. If you really cared about teh Iraqis and Afghans, you would have liberated them a long time ago, not when it suited you to get oil out of Azerbaijan, Turkemanistan and Iraq! No this aint conspiracy theories, they are hard facts, Pakistan has been paid $1billion for the pipeline to pass through their country.

Excuse me, but for the 32 years that I was a detective in Chicago, I had to deal with nere-do-wells, informants and other scumbags in order to get the job done and insure the safety and well being of the majority of citizens, that didn't mean I "loved" them, in fact most stool pigeons I veiwed with great disdain, but in a pragmatic world, one has to deal with them!

You deal with a burglar when he gives you a murderer, when he commits murder himself, he goes too!

Can you grasp that conception?

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Excuse me, but for the 32 years that I was a detective in Chicago, I had to deal with nere-do-wells, informants and other scumbags in order to get the job done and insure the safety and well being of the majority of citizens, that didn't mean I "loved" them, in fact most stool pigeons I veiwed with great disdain, but in a pragmatic world, one has to deal with them!

You deal with a burglar when he gives you a murderer, when he commits murder himself, he goes too!

Can you grasp that conception?

So why were saddam and Osama provided with million of dollars as well as arms during Iran/Iraq war (Saddam) and against Soviet Army (Osama). So US felt like dishing out dollars just like that, did they?

I think not.

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How about the two mobile chem labs thet found, and how about all the people he gassed previosly, I would think that the logical inference would be that, yes he had them, they just aren't found yet!

both of em clean as a whistle, not bearing a trace of evidence

ZERO CLUE

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Sorry but terrorists and the countries that harbor them killed 3,000 americans, and Iraq harbors terrorists, just look at Abbu Abbas!

someone has taken it upon themselves to harbour the mass murderer of 30,000 nicaraguan civilians from the 1980's and has conveniently ignored penalties imposed (imposed?) by international courts

guess who?

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So why were saddam and Osama provided with million of dollars as well as arms during Iran/Iraq war (Saddam) and against Soviet Army (Osama). So US felt like dishing out dollars just like that, did they?

Because to the USA Cop at the time, they were the paid informants, and Russia and Iran were the bad guys!

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someone has taken it upon themselves to harbour the mass murderer of 30,000 nicaraguan civilians from the 1980's and has conveniently ignored penalties imposed (imposed?) by international courts

guess who?

I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, although I'm sure you will inform me real soon!

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someone has taken it upon themselves to harbour the mass murderer of 30,000 nicaraguan civilians from the 1980's and has conveniently ignored penalties imposed (imposed?) by international courts

guess who?

Today the United States stands condemned by the World Court of Justice at The Hague for the "unlawful use of force" against another, sovereign, state. The World Court ruled that "the United States of America, by training, arming, equipping, financing and supplying the contra forces or otherwise encouraging, supporting and aiding military and paramilitary activities in and against a sovereing country, has acted... in breach of its obligation under customary international law not to intervene in the affairs of another state." Afterwards, critics of the United States' policy called it a "blueprint" for successful U.S. intervention in the Third World. A Pentagon analyst agreed: "It's going right into the textbooks."

The name of the country in question has been deleted - go to http://www.wakeupmag.co.uk/articles/cia5.htm to read more about it.

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This Nicaraguan horse (or should I say mule) has been beaten to death by almost every left wing neo-commie out there, and to no avail!

Why don't we go back to the days of ancient Rome, I'm sure the U.S. was involved in some intrigue there also!

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Why don't we go back to the days of ancient Rome, I'm sure the U.S. was involved in some intrigue there also!

Im sure that the Al-Qaeda terrorist group a.k.a. ALL MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD was also involved in some intrigue there..........according to CNN that is.....

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would that be against Islamic principal in present time if her picture is taken in hijab with proper face recognition by a women officer. The picture will be saved in archived and the licence with picture will be held by her.

Can someone explain this to me how this will be against the Islamic principal. ?

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My frined my point is look at america now, the pressure is getting to them. They are even scared of what women wear. Soon the american empire will fall.

i give them another 4 years existnince. Then they will be history like the romans 

I'll make you deal. I will give you 40 years, not 4. If America is still standing, you become a Christian, and if America falls I will convert to Islam.

Deal?

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You and your grandchildrens, grandchildren will all be Methodists before the U.S. falls!

Bismehe Ta3ala,

I believe you. Come and visit our community and the first generation American Muslims are only recognized by their names by Mohamed and 3li. I guess the Americanization of Islam is taken place right before our eyes. However, I think calling them Methodist is to generous. I would put there children's children as Atheists.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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I believe you. Come and visit our community and the first generation American Muslims are only recognized by their names by Mohamed and 3li. I guess the Americanization of Islam is taken place right before our eyes. However, I think calling them Methodist is to generous. I would put there children's children as Atheists.

Herin lies the problem, when raised under a strict, punative religion, and then given freedom of choice, a large group will bolt in completely the opposite direction, like going from hot to cold, given time they will find God again and realize any benign religion, is a moderate, comfortable temperature!

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Just remember, in the quran it says there is no compulsion in religion.

No, that's not true. Their parents didn't teach them anything about Islam let alone a strict form of it. Their parents didn't care for religion so neither would they. That's why they went astray.

The west is a materialistic culture, and that attracts the youth. You don't see T.V., music, and other entertainment avenues promoting God, of course not. It's about who has the best car, who is hot or not, who gots the benjamins, baby, and always having fun. Well to you, you might say, "What's wrong with that?"

The problem with that is it diverts your attention from God. Is it extreme to devout yourself to the love and worship of God, so you can have a better place in the hereafter? Some people don't only love and worship God because of a reward in the end, but because he is all deserving to be praised and worshiped. Islam isn't only about praying to God, it's also about how you treat others, by your manners, how you treat your neighbors, and other social matters. Unfortuantly, you probably saw alot of bad examples here.

However, you will still find humble people here who will respect you and treat you like a human being in the name of humanity.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

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