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  1. There are many threads in the bulk presented by Zadiyah for their false and baseless claims about the concept of imamate of twelve imams. These claims have been refuted, rejected as well as clarified with evidences in detail by knowledgeable members at SC frequently. But the propaganda style threads of Zaydis continue till now. I have made the analysis of the facts for false claims made by Zaydiah and their refutation & rejection with evidences can be seen from the links of posts in those threads (as detailed below) 1- Zaydi - Twelver (Debate Challenge) – (June 16, 2021) Topic: Imamate and 12th Imam, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 8 pages Zaydis baseless claim: Immamat is not defined, 12th Imam is not playing his role. Twlevers conclusion: Imamate is well defined in the verses of quran, There are many hadith that clearly describe the names of 12 Imams. Religion of Ibrahim requires 12 Imams appointed by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and not chosen by the people are to be followed https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071318-zaydi-twelver-debate-challenge/?do=findComment&comment=3353217 Hadith mentioning the names of 12 Imams for clear designation: Reviving Al-Islaam: 12 Imaams Mentioned by Name Explicitly in a SaHeeH Hadeeth (revivingalislam.com) The principle of consultation by Zaydis for their so called imams is found against the verses of quran like those of sunnis. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071318-zaydi-twelver-debate-challenge/?do=findComment&comment=3353901 Last strategy to save their so called claims with defeated & losing face Zaydis say: “Let us start another thread; it reminds me the running of the so called brave companions from the battle fields to save their defeated face”. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071318-zaydi-twelver-debate-challenge/?do=findComment&comment=3354043 2- The sons of the Imams were Zaydis –( July 17, 2021) Topic: Imamate, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 4 pages Zyadi baseless claim: Imam’s sons were zaydis and so were imams. Twlever Conclusion: The verses of quran for the selection principle of earlier imams as chosen representatives of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) are sufficient to reject Zaydi baseless conjectures. The details of refutation and rejection can be seen from the posts (links given below): https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071654-the-sons-of-the-imams-were-zaydis/?do=findComment&comment=3356161 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071654-the-sons-of-the-imams-were-zaydis/?do=findComment&comment=3356187 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071654-the-sons-of-the-imams-were-zaydis/?do=findComment&comment=3356191 Best response by the hadith from various sources presented by brother “Cool”, has made the zayids stunned and speech less in the thread. Concluding words of “Cool” can be seen at the link: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071654-the-sons-of-the-imams-were-zaydis/?do=findComment&comment=3357088 Zaydi efforts to save their loser / defeated skin again “We can have another discussion, from the beginning”. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071654-the-sons-of-the-imams-were-zaydis/?do=findComment&comment=3357100 3- Zaydi - Twelver (Debate) 2 – (July 2021) Topic: Imamate, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 3 pages Zyadi baseless claim: 12th Imam not mentioned by the prophet, Guidance of 12th Imam is missing. Twlever conclusion: The verses of quran for the unseen / ghayb ie hidden or missing from our eyes provide the evidence and its confirmation. The guidance function by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the prophet, Quran and Imams has never been ceased in the light of verses of quran. The details of refutation and rejection can be seen from the posts (links given below): https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354247 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354349 The false claims and conjectures of Zaydis rejected many times in these thread, the evidence again can be seen at the link given below https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354438 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354452 Zaydis run away from the truth and evidences confirming the rejection and refutation of their false and baseless claims can also be seen as linked below: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354456 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354459 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354645 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3394699 Another look on the thread conclusion confirming the defeat and refutation of Zayids false claims and conjectures given below: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3354783 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235071442-zaydi-twelver-debate-2/?do=findComment&comment=3360917 4- Zaydi - Twelver (Debate) 3 Topic: Imamate, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 2 pages Zaydi baseless claim: Same false claims about 12th Imam Guidance. Twlever conclusion: The verses of quran for the unseen / ghayb ie hidden or missing from our eyes provide the evidence and its confirmation. The guidance function by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the prophet, Quran and Imams has never been ceased in the light of verses of quran. The refutation and rejections of these baseless claims in addition to already made in the above quoted threads & posts can also be seen at the following links: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3360477 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3360492 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3360654 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3360686 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3362487 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072079-zaydi-twelver-debate-4/?do=findComment&comment=3366519 5- A Zaydi Refutation of The Occultation - (Nov 25, 2021) Topic: Imamate & occultation, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 2 pages Zaydi baseless claim: Same false claims without valid evidence for occultation Twelver conclusion: The verses of quran for the unseen / ghayb ie hidden or missing from our eyes provide the evidence for confirmation of occultation. The refutation and rejections of these baseless claims in addition to already made in the above quoted threads & posts can also be seen at the following links: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072840-a-zaydi-refutation-of-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3367141 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072840-a-zaydi-refutation-of-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3366601 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072840-a-zaydi-refutation-of-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3366649 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235072840-a-zaydi-refutation-of-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3366652 Zaydis have been found speechless in this thread without evidences and logical answers for their false claims. 6- Refuting Shaykh al-Mufid's Arguments for the Occultation – (Nov 07, 2022) Topic: Imamate & occultation, by Zaidism, Content with discussion consists of 3 pages Zaydi baseless claim: False claims about occultation Twelver conclusion: The verses of quran, hadith of the prophet and logical conclusions provide the evidence for confirmation of occultation. The refutation and rejections of these baseless claims in addition to already made in the above quoted threads & posts can also be seen at the following links: https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3395380 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3395377 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3395064 https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3394972 Zaydis have been found speechless in this thread without evidences and logical answers for their false claims. 7- Two recent threads at SC also include: Refuting Twelverism - No Evidence for the designation of 12 Imams Know Your Imam - A Zaydi Refutation Topic: Imamate & occultation, by Zaidism, Content with discussion each consists of 1 page Zaydi baseless claim: False claims about Immamate Twelver conclusion: The verses of quran, hadith of the prophet and logical conclusions provide the evidence for confirmation of imamate of twelve imams including occultation. The refutation and rejections of these baseless claims have already been made in the above quoted threads & posts can also be seen at the above given links. Our final words: In addition to the above refutation and rejection of false claims of Zaydiya the following post can be seen to confirm the speechless, loser and defeated face of Zaydis. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235080429-refuting-shaykh-al-mufids-arguments-for-the-occultation/?do=findComment&comment=3394639 Quran, 9:19 : and Allah does not guide people "Az Zalimeen". Wasalam. @Ashvazdanghe @Cool @layman
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