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Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.
Text of sermon 3 or sermon shaqshaqiyah of nahjul balagha is here https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-3-allah-son-abu-quhafah Sources of this Sermon Allama Baqir Majlisi in his historical work Bihar ul Anwar narrated all the versions of this Khutbah Shaqshaqiyah from all primary shia hadith books along with some other reports in the chapter named: باب شكاية أمير المؤمنين صلوات الله عليه عمن تقدمه من المتغلبين الغاصبين "Chapter of Ameer al mumineen's PBUH Complaints about those who preceded him from the oppressors who took his right" Online Source to this chapter from Bihar ul Anwar: http://ablibrary.net/فارسی/کتابها/7645_بحار الأنوار(29)/صفحه_545 Authenticity of this sermon from Shia Scholar and Researcher of Bihar ul Anwar Shaikh Asif Muhsini. Asif Muhsini in his "Mashara'at Bihar Al Anwar", said: اورد فيه المصنف ( 69 ) شاهداً من الاحاديث والروايات ، والمذكورة برقم (17) معتبرة سنداً فقط لا غير ] [ مشرعة بحار الانوار / محمد اصف محسني ج 2 ص 34 ] "the Musannif(Al Majlisi) has placed in this chapter 69 narrations, only that narration which is number (17) has an acceptable chain of narrators" [Mashra'at bihar al Anwar 2/34] So the only reliable narration out of all 69 narrations in the chapter is 17. Which in fact is not sermon of shaqshaqiyah. Check from online source of Bihar ul Anwar Here Below is the scan of what Shaikh Asif Muhsini said in his "Mashara'at Bihar Al Anwar". Some more thoughts on this fabricated sermon. Jazak Alah khairan.
The First Imam Ali al-Murtada (Alaihis-Salam wa Karramullahu Wajahu) Father: Abu Talib bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hashim. Mother: Fatimah bint Asad bin Hashim bin Abd Munaf. Kunniyat (Patronym): Abu'l Hasan and Husayn, Abu Turab Laqab (Title): Al-Wasi, Amir al-Mu'minin Birth: He was born in Makka. Martyrdom: He was martyred by the accursed Khwariji named ibn Muljam at Kufa during the month of Ramadan in the 40th year of Hijrah and is buried in Najaf on the outskirts of Kufa. The Second Imam Hasan (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Fatimah az-Zahra, the youngest daughter of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Kunniyat: Abu Muhammad Laqab: Al-Sibt al-Kabir (the elder grandson), Al-Mujtaba. Birth: He was born in Madina in the middle of the month of Ramadhan in 3 A.H. Martyrdom: He died [poisoned] on the 28th of Safar in the year 50 A.H. He was buried in the graveyard of Baqi in Madina. The Third Imam Husayn (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Fatimah az-Zahra, the daughter of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Kunniyat: Abu 'Abdillah. Laqab: Al Sibt, Shahid-e-Karbala. Birth: He was born in Madina in the month of Shaban in the year 4 A.H. Martyrdom: He was martyred with his companions by the army of Yazid in the month of Muharram 61 A.H. His tomb is in Karbala, a town of Iraq. The Fourth Imam 'Ali Zayn al-'Abidin (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Shahzanaan Kunniyat: Abu al-Hasan Laqab: Zayn al-'Abidin, Al Sajjad Birth: He was born in 38 A.H. in Madina. Martyrdom: He died of poison in the year 94 or 95 A.H. at Madina and is buried at Baqi near his uncle Hasan. The Fifth Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Umm Abdullah, the daughter of Imam Hasan. Kunniyat: Abu Ja'far. Laqab: Al-Baqir. Birth: He was born at Madina in the year 57 A.H. Martyrdom: He died of poisoning in Madina in 114 A.H. and is also buried at Baqi near his father. The Sixth Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Umm Farwa, the daughter of Qasim bin Muhammad bin Abu Bakr. Kunniyat: Abu 'Abdillah. Laqab: Al-Sadiq. Birth: He was born at Madina in 83 A.H. Martyrdom: He died of poison in 148 A.H. and is buried at Baqi near his father. The Seventh Imam Musa al-Kazim (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Hamidah Kunniyat: Abu al-Hasan Laqab: Al-Kazim Birth: He was born at Madina in the year 129 A.H. Martyrdom: He was poisoned in the prison of Harun al-Rashid at Baghdad in the year 183 A.H. He is buried in Kazimiyyah in Iraq. The Eighth Imam 'Ali al-Rida (Alaihi-Salam) Mother:Khayzran Kunniyat : Abu al-Hasan Laqab : Al-Rida Birth: He was born at Madina in 148 A.H. Martyrdom: He was poisoned in the year 203 A.H. and is buried in the Khurasan district of Iran. The Ninth Imam Muhammad Taqi (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Sakina Kunniyat (Patronymic): Abu 'Abdillah Laqab (Title): Al Jawad Birth: He was born at Madina in 195 A.H. Martyrdom: He died of poison at Baghdad in the year 220 A.H. and is buried near his grandfather at Kazimiyyah in Iraq. The Tenth Imam Ali al-Naqi (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Samana al-Maghribiya Kunniyat (Patronymic): Abu al-Hasan al Askari Laqab (Title): Al-Hadi Birth: He was born at Madina in the year 212 A.H. Martyrdom: He died of poison in 254 A.H. at Samarrah (Sarmanra) in Iraq and is buried there. The Eleventh Imam Hasan al-Askari (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Ummul Walad - Sawsan. Kunniyat (Patronymic): Abu Muhammad. Laqab (Title): Al-Askari. Birth: He was born at Samarrah in the year 232 A.H. Martyrdom: He was poisoned in 260 A.H. at Samarrah and is buried there. The Twelfth Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (Alaihi-Salam) Mother: Ummul Walad Narjis alias Saiqal Kunniyat (Patronymic): Abu 'Abdullah, Abu al-Qasim Laqab (Title): Al-Qaim, Al-Muntazar, Al-Khalaf, Al-Mahdi, Sahib al-zamaan. Birth: He was born at Samarrah in the year 255 A.H. He is the last Imam (a.s.) and he is alive and hidden. Question: How will he die? Any authentic narration from ahlebayt in this matter? Jazak Allah Khairan.
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