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Does the Quran say that the christians believed the trinity was God (AZ), Jesus(AS), and Mary(RA)? Can someone please clarify this for me. Is there any Hadith relating to the trinity? And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. — Qur'an, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat116
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Salam I was wondering what our fellow brothers/sisters thought of about this video below if you care to watch: it is an explanation of the trinity that does sound nice but I have no clue as to what the point was... a little lost and wondering if someone could help me understand what RZ was trying to say here?
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I'm a Muslim and I've spend a considerable amount of time studying Christianity. As a result, I'm curious to know how well my Muslim brothers and sisters understand the core beliefs of Christianity. So if you're a Muslim, feel free to take this test and answer the following questions to the best of your ability. No cheating! Thanks. 1) What is the trinity? 2) What does it mean that Jesus is the son of God? 3) What does it mean that Jesus is the son of man?
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Salams to all, I guess this is a question im hoping Christians on the forum will be able to help me with, but anyones help would be welcome. In the statement of the Council of Chalcedon it says that Jesus(as) was/is: 'perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body... begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead,' My question is: isnt that which distinguishes Jesus as a person of the Trinity (his being uncreated) the very thing that disqualifies him from being fully human? The word 'man' points to a certain kind of being does it not? In the Abrahamic religions 'man' is a created being by definition (as established in genesis) and so is his soul (Jeremiah 38:16), so in what way can the use of the word 'man' be said to be appropriate if the established criteria for what that word points towards is not being met?
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http://trinities.org/blog/podcast-131-10-apologists-mistakes-trinity/ ^part 1 by a Christian Philosopher- 18 replies
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(bismillah) In The Name of Allah (SWT) , The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful. (salam) Here is an excerpt from a post that ChristianLady made recently on one of the threads: Now, I could have answered there but the point I wanted to make was a lot more general and aimed at Christians at large so I thought fit that I would make a separate thread for this. Before I move any further, I want to highlight some parts of what she said: 1. Jesus (as) makes it clear that The Father is greater than him; 2. Jesus (as) obeys The Father; 3. He (The Father) created Himself to be a man. Now, I don't think that any Christians can disagree with these statements because verses of the Bible do also support these so I will be basing my arguements on the assumption that every Christian, just like her, has the same beliefs. My questions are: 1. How can Jesus (as) and The Father be one (The triune god) and yet Jesus (as) is inferior to The Father? In fact, isn't God supposed to be The All-High, meaning infinitely powerful and high? If that is the case, then, any candidate for Divinity must be superior to all and inferior to none. Since Jesus (as) does not fulfill this criteria, can we call him god? There is nothing which can be greater than infinity and if something is relatively smaller than another thing, no matter how huge the first thing may be, it is still not infinite. It follows, therefore, that Jesus (as) is also NOT The All-High. 2. Why does God have to obey someone else? 3. This is, perhaps, the most interesting part of her arguement. She claims that God can do everything and, therefore, it is also possible for Him to create Himself (I will come back to this statement later). So, if we are going to use the arguement of His Omnipotence as proof for the validity of the trinity, may I ask the Christians why they reject the Hindu gods or those who worship idols? After all, God is All-Powerful and if he can take form of a man, why can't he take the form of a stone? Why is idol worship wrong then? Secondly, she says, "God created Himself to be a man." Is God not supposed to be The Uncreated? If so, since Jesus (as) is created, then, what does this make him: god or man? Another problem I have with this is that she is saying that God is creating Himself. I am sure that no one can accept such a statement and, so, I would very grateful if she - or another of our Christian brethren - could clarify these questions. My intention in doing this is to have a healthy discussion and not to hurt someone. So, if I have offended either ChristianLady or any other member, I am extremely sorry and I hope you will forgive me. Insha'Allah, I have been helpful, clear and objective in my reasoning and have not hurt anyone! :D May Allah (SWT) bless us all, our families and loved ones, guide us all to The Straight Path with His Perfect Guidance and may He, The Forgiver of Sins and The Oft-Forgiving, forgive all our sins for, verily, there is neither any refuge nor any respite for the sinners, except in Allah (SWT) .
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