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Tawassul - Authentication And exact meaning
Zainuu posted a topic in General Islamic DiscussionAs we recently had a lot of exchanges on this. I am myself deeply interested in understood the exact meaning of Tawassul. Because literally many shias do dua to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) at places like mazaars and dargah by touching the Zareeh (outer boundary of grave) of a great person (not necessarily ahlulbayt (AS)). So, I personally don't doubt tawassul but rather it's limits. @Sabrejet @313_Waiter @Muhammad Al-Hurr @AStruggler Let's have a deeper discussion on it.
Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.
Bismillah ta 'ala Assalāmu 'alaykum brothers. Insha'Allah you are all fine. I have a little doubt. Did the Imāms ever do Tawassul or command us to do Tawassul? Apart from Dua e Tawassul are there any other Ahadīth that are Sahih or Hasan which command us to do so? May Allāh ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì bless you all. Amīn.
Intercession Of The Twelve Aimmah
Naqshbandi murid posted a topic in General Islamic DiscussionBismillahi Rahmani Rahim As salam alaikum Does any one know where I can find a beautiful dua mentioning or seeking within it the intercession of the twelve aimmah as way of strengthening the dua to Allah? And also where I can find a extensive list of the titles of Sayyidina Imam Ali (as)? Thanks
Tawassul; Did Prophet Or Imams Use Waseela
IbneSyed posted a topic in Shia/Sunni DialogueAssalam Wa Alaikum 28th Safr marks the demise of Prophet (SAW) and the martyrdom of Imam Hassan (as). May the curse of Allah be on the enemies of Muhammad (SAW) and his children, his sons, the kings of paradise. There are many things to ponder over. Is the prophet no more amongst us? Has his role in our lives ended with his physical departure from this world? Muhammad is the Rasool of Allah, not "was". Also, at a time when the passion of Islam was still alive, the companions and their children existed, who killed Imam Hassan (as) and for what motives? ---------------------------- A proposition is added to www.sdol.org People ask that if use of waseela, tawassul, is an order of the Quran and people use Prophet (SAW) and the Imams (as) as a waseela, then did these people used waseela themselves? Proposition 27: Waseela; A matter of Worship Exact link: http://www26.brinkster.com/sdolshah1/prop28.html wasalaam www.sdol.org
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